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It would be better if RG was made Dy.PM with Pranab as interim PM until the elctions.The anti-incumbncy factor due to MMS's corrupt regime will be felt severely.THis way RG could be
sheilded from total blame if/when the UPA is defeated. MOre importantly is a new team of decision maklers who have the country's interests at heart and NOT the interests of the nexus of forieign robber barons,greedy politicos,babus and corporate entities.

Yes, best if RG is made PM. At least the media-manufactured fool's paradise of India being some sort of 'model' democracy and 'soft power' leader can be visibly put to rest - and India can take its rightful place in the fourth world.

The new Feudalistic, Dynastic Nation of India can then dispense with its antiquated celebration of Republic Day on Jan 26, and institute Nov 14 as the annual celebration of India's induction into the folds of the Nehru lineage.

If there is any way to ensure Congress' defeat, it is to select the Indian version of Mr. Bean as PM candidate

The guy can't say a complete sentence without asking for mama's permission. If the congressi think that by removing MMS they can wash the taint of corruption, they are mistaken. The party is identified with the Nehru family. Any thing wrong done by the party is automatically associated with the family.

If the jackass of delhi is projected as future PM, the BJP and others will have a field day in breaking him will and administration. look what happened in J&K.

You have to admire the 84 year old veteran's energy levels and tenacity but part of me wishes he would just retire gracefully and accept that he is no longer the future of the BJP or India.

Advani starts his yatra, vows to end corruption

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/nitish-flags ... 96-37.html

Time for the RSS to get a savvy media / legal consultant on board - someone like Rudra Pratap Rudy / Abhishek Singhvi to argue on its behalf with the channels....

The RSS as favorite whipping boy for every jackass in the UPA, and some from Team Anna - has morphed into some kind of silly daily ritual that needs to be countered effectively.

Arjun wrote:Time for the RSS to get a savvy media / legal consultant on board - someone like Rudra Pratap Rudy / Abhishek Singhvi to argue on its behalf with the channels....

The RSS as favorite whipping boy for every jackass in the UPA, and some from Team Anna - has morphed into some kind of silly daily ritual that needs to be countered effectively.

I think RSS does well by its silence. I do realize the urban middle class does not find voices to sanctify or defend RSS , for an organization that has been vilified from 1947 they probably figured out the long term game better.

That aside, I think Diggy has inadvertently kicked off a rolling stone called "Anna for President " ... amazing how all his arguments sounds positive for RSS & BJP.. like a very "urbane" "suave" and die-hard INC confessed , -this make it seem like BJP & RSS actually cares for what goes on in the country !! <end quote> mind you not from pronouncements from a BJP/RSS spokesman but based on Diggy's Timesnow interview

All those have to ritually cast stones at RSS to reaffirm their own adherence to their secualr beliefs. Its a Kaaban ritual.

somaz wrote:

Arjun wrote:Time for the RSS to get a savvy media / legal consultant on board - someone like Rudra Pratap Rudy / Abhishek Singhvi to argue on its behalf with the channels....

The RSS as favorite whipping boy for every jackass in the UPA, and some from Team Anna - has morphed into some kind of silly daily ritual that needs to be countered effectively.

I think RSS does well by its silence. I do realize the urban middle class does not find voices to sanctify or defend RSS , for an organization that has been vilified from 1947 they probably figured out the long term game better.

That aside, I think Diggy has inadvertently kicked off a rolling stone called "Anna for President " ... amazing how all his arguments sounds positive for RSS & BJP.. like a very "urbane" "suave" and die-hard INC confessed , -this make it seem like BJP & RSS actually cares for what goes on in the country !! <end quote> mind you not from pronouncements from a BJP/RSS spokesman but based on Diggy's Timesnow interview

Diggy killed AK Hazare as President preemptively.

somaz wrote:I think RSS does well by its silence. I do realize the urban middle class does not find voices to sanctify or defend RSS , for an organization that has been vilified from 1947 they probably figured out the long term game better.

Silence as a strategy might have worked when newspapers ruled the media space, but in the age of 24/7 TV and internet its counterproductive. Millions of impressionable youth are taking their cues from the news channels - this is subconscious influence they themselves might not be completely aware of.

More importantly - its not just about defending RSS as a stand-alone organization. Since the RSS is the largest organized Hindu setup in the country - perceptions and comments about the RSS also have a strong ancillary effect on perceptions about Hindu religion and society. This is something the RSS needs to take into consideration.... Why should Hindus have to have an organization to 'represent' them that prefers to roll over and play dead instead of making a strong argument for their case? The media would be more than happy to present the RSS with a platform if only they were interested.

Soon Rahul Mehta's right to recall will be on the table.

Right to reject needs consensus:MMS to AH

Poll reforms: ‘Right to reject’ needs consensus, Manmohan tells Anna

11 October 2011, PTI

Declaring the government’s commitment to a strong Lokpal, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Tuesday said Anna Hazare’s demand for the right to reject provision in electoral law needs political consensus.

Even as Mr. Hazare came out against the Congress in the Hissar Lok Sabha by-election, the social activist and the Prime Minister exchanged letters on Lokpal and measures to fight corruption and other issues like electoral and judicial reforms in the last 20 days.

“As you are aware, we are committed to enacting a strong Lokpal law and we hope that we will succeed in this in the near future. However, our government is working on a broad agenda to fight corruption and bring in administrative reforms,” Dr. Singh said in a letter to Mr. Hazare written on Monday.

He was replying to Mr. Hazare’s letter of September 21 in which he had flagged several issues including Lokpal, electoral reforms and strengthening of grass roots institutions.

“In this several legal, administrative and technical aspects will be included. Establishment of the Lokpal is part of this broad agenda,” Dr. Singh said.

Referring to Mr. Hazare’s demand for including the provision of right to reject candidates through the option of "none of the above" in the voting system, saying in a democratic society a political consensus was necessary on such issues.

“Our government is actively considering various proposals related to electoral reforms. Among the proposals being considered is the right to reject, which you have mentioned.

Diggy killed AK Hazare as President preemptively.[/quote]

I beg to disagree, compared to the current resident of RB , Anna would carry a lot more weight & conviction. As with Abdul Kalam, people would think having a honest Prez is better than another menial from the 2G family ( no disrespect intended for the current prez) .

Diggy & INC might think they quashed that approach but given the mood of the nation and the arrogance of INC to belittle everyone who do not follow their lies - defeat of Anna in the presidential election will expose the INC's corrupt system that will go to ay lengths to save their corrupt practices & its masters.
Commies, BJP & 3rd front (except laloo) will support Anna , so the BJP/RSS brush to paint that might not stick. Although I am wary of Team Anna , it has for once pushed INC to explain their position rather than always point to the "other party" to make their point . Remember the Aam Admi ads in 2004 , so many factories have closed & now with Kangress we will have work!! Need to start recirculating them to ensure those do not fade away with new lies .

Many of the media channels seem to have given a"get out of jail for free" card to Congress for the scams and corruption and trying an == with BJP on everything . What was the corruption under NDA ? I need that answer to that before i can start listening.

ramana wrote:They want to attract the secular minds which are now disillusioned with INC's loot.

Fool's errand, isn't it? A look next door in Pakistan should be enough to inform the eventual outcome of secular minds working together.

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/left-r ... topstories

The NDTV correspondent gets slammed by Kiran Bedi and the BJP spokesperson for her fawning interview of the Congress Digvijaya Singh. A display of yellow journalism... no tough questions, no follow-up questions, allowing Digvijaya Singh a monologue and a platform ...

James B wrote:

Karan Thapar is obnoxious. That dumbass does not let Arvind talk. His nauseating accent makes it even more sickening. It almost feels like he is farting from his mouth with that constipated look on his face.

Arjun wrote:Time for the RSS to get a savvy media / legal consultant on board - someone like Rudra Pratap Rudy / Abhishek Singhvi to argue on its behalf with the channels....

The RSS as favorite whipping boy for every jackass in the UPA, and some from Team Anna - has morphed into some kind of silly daily ritual that needs to be countered effectively.

Media Management is impossible. The deep pockets of the INC mean that they will never get good positive coverage. Inconvenient news is never covered.

There is a reason why they are demonised, a whole bunch of people depend on it to keep power.

Arjun wrote: The media would be more than happy to present the RSS with a platform if only they were interested.

Yeah right , please look up at top Media personalities. They are all INC and CPI(M) related. Their job is bury the RSS BJP and present no alternative to INC. And INC has 60 years of loot to deep pockets.

So this media management thing is no joke. It is better for them to keep quiet and let the public decide for themselves. Media have shown they are part of INC PR wing and in the last 6-7 years the length they have gone to not cover inconvenient news and Spin stories shows, as far as coverage of politics is concerned it is a hopeless cause.

Aditya_V wrote:Media Management is impossible. The deep pockets of the INC mean that they will never get good positive coverage. Inconvenient news is never covered.

There is a reason why they are demonised, a whole bunch of people depend on it to keep power.

Aditya, I don't think that is completely true. I am speaking largely about the news channels out here...

If you look at the way these channels work - representatives from all sides ARE generally given a chance to appear on their nightly panels and debates. You see Ravishankar Prasad and Rudra Pratap Rudy doing the rounds of these channels daily. So the discrimination would NOT be in the form of not allowing a platform for the RSS to rebut allegations - it would come in the form of the host asking discriminatory questions, trying to shut the RSS reps up, and drawing entirely illogical conclusions post the debate.

At the end of the day it boils down to having someone very effective in that role - so that the viewer can form his / her own conclusions. Despite the attempts of the channel hosts- Ravishankar Prasad, Jaitley etc do come across as having presented much better arguments than the INC mouthpieces. I am saying that if the RSS did have an effective face for the channels, despite all efforts of the Karan Thapars of the world to demonise them - the core logic of their arguments would come through.

ramana wrote:Soon Rahul Mehta's right to recall will be on the table.

Right to reject needs consensus:MMS to AH

Poll reforms: ‘Right to reject’ needs consensus, Manmohan tells Anna

11 October 2011, PTI

Declaring the government’s commitment to a strong Lokpal, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Tuesday said Anna Hazare’s demand for the right to reject provision in electoral law needs political consensus.

I think 'right to reject' and 'right to recall' are different (both are on AH teams' agenda).

Arjun, notice when this people generally Ruddy and Ravishankar Prasad are always called in on the defensivare put in defendant's box, never are the called in to discuss topics which are inconvenient to the Congress Narative eg, why are members of the Congress party involved in the Godhra train burning, what happened to allegations of women's feotuses being cut open in the 100's in Gujarat, to discuss the Human rights in POK, or discuss plight of minorities in PAK, the communal violence in Bharatpur or discuss illlegal mining in Goa, Congress MP mentioned in Lokyukta report etc.etc.

They are called in Kangaroo courts in a very hostile environmental while Digvijaya Singh is not asked any uncomfortable questions

Aditya_V wrote:They are called in Kangaroo courts in a very hostile environmental while Digvijaya Singh is not asked any uncomfortable questions

I agree...you are referring to the NDTV panel yesterday relating to the Hisar campaign. The NDTV woman was unashamadely fawning over this jackass from MP. But inspite of the hostile environment - who were the panelists who managed to impress and carry the argument at the end of the day? It was Kiran Bedi and Nirmala Sitharaman - with their cogent rebuttals. That's the point I am making.

Arjun, have you considered that perhaps RSS lets BJP do whatever speaking is necessary. They realize that they need not meet the "enemy" on the battle grounds of hostiles choosing?

Sanku wrote:Arjun, have you considered that perhaps RSS lets BJP do whatever speaking is necessary. They realize that they need not meet the "enemy" on the battle grounds of hostiles choosing?

It would be unwise for the BJP to be always speaking for the RSS. Why should the BJP get involved in the absurdity and muck of the terrorism allegations against RSS? The RSS should answer for itself - and the BJP needs to show an arms length relationship with them.

I am not saying respond to each and every silly bark - but once it has gone beyond a particular threshold some kind of response is necessary.

Sanku wrote:Arjun, have you considered that perhaps RSS lets BJP do whatever speaking is necessary. They realize that they need not meet the "enemy" on the battle grounds of hostiles choosing?

But RSS should and must sue those who abuse. It is legal and acceptable. Monies awarded by courts as result could aid राष्ट्र.

What is wrong in utilizing a recourse that is available in the form of Judicial branch of Federal governance?

RSS can perhaps take an example of how हिन्दु धर्म आचार्य सभा set up a team of lawyers, as I read somewhere.

Arjun wrote:

Sanku wrote:Arjun, have you considered that perhaps RSS lets BJP do whatever speaking is necessary. They realize that they need not meet the "enemy" on the battle grounds of hostiles choosing?

It would be unwise for the BJP to be always speaking for the RSS. Why should the BJP get involved in the absurdity and muck of the terrorism allegations against RSS? The RSS should answer for itself - and the BJP needs to show an arms length relationship with them.

I am not saying respond to each and every silly bark - but once it has gone beyond a particular threshold some kind of response is necessary.

I personally disagree, but will not expand on it here.

RSS IMVHO does the right thing by not going into the "media management" space. Its efforts towards it goals are better served by focusing elsewhere.

Sure, it does cede space in the Middle class, anglosphere of India to others, but IMVHO it walked away from that quite early. We may not like it, but it is the reality of how the cards are dealt out right now -- RSS cant and wont fix it.

Over expecting what a center-rightist organization like RSS can do in today's scenario is slight optimistic I would say.

To be a nationalist (instead of a Nehruvian idiot internationalist), India first, cultural patriot, is a curse in some spaces in India -- its solution has to come from other places.

Sanku wrote:Sure, it does cede space in the Middle class, anglosphere of India to others, but IMVHO it walked away from that quite early. We may not like it, but it is the reality of how the cards are dealt out right now -- RSS cant and wont fix it.

If I read you right, the RSS is focusing its efforts on the lower castes - which is where the Abrahamics are making inroads with their 'soul harvesting'.

Believing that middle class opinion does not matter is a serious mistake, though. The UPA concluded the same, and the source of all its troubles is exactly this attitude. The UPA will likely pay for its mistake by being unseated soon - hopefully the RSS will not have to pay a bigger price for the same folly.

Arjun wrote: Believing that middle class opinion does not matter is a serious mistake, though. The UPA concluded the same, and the source of all its troubles is exactly this attitude. The UPA will likely pay for its mistake by being unseated soon - hopefully the RSS will not have to pay a bigger price for the same folly.

Sir, UPA is a flash in the pan, RSS for-better-or-for-worse has been following a nearly consistent set of policies for last 60 years or so.

I personally think that RSS does this not because it does not consider that middle class opinion does not matter, it does that because it leaves some part of effort to BJP where as it focus on other parts.

More like division of labour.

Note -- I am not saying whether RSS has the right approach, merely commenting on what is my understanding of its appraoch.

And oh RSS and BJP are joined at the hip, the standard disclaimers are part of the strategy, but no reason for any of the more informed (including in the other camp) people to buy it.

Ram Sene Back in business defaming the opposition. These Riot for Hire are very convenient for INC. You can bet these goons will try and beat some women to Bring Back Hindu Taliban into discussion and how only INC can save us.

They were successful in 2008, lets see whether they succeed this time.

Prashant Bhushan beaten up for his Kashmir comments

Prashant Bhushan beaten up for his Kashmir comments TOI: Oct 12, 2011
O man, the video! He really got some!

NEW DELHI: Senior Supreme Court advocate and Team Anna member Prashant Bhushan was beaten in his chamber by youth allegedly for his Kashmir comments.

Supreme Court lawyer-activist Prashant Bhushan was roughed up at his chambers here by a youth in full view of TV cameras Wednesday. The youth barged into his chamber and started beating him up, before being overpowered by others present in the room, TV visuals showed.

The two attackers claimed that they were from Sri Ram Sene. The attackers told Times Now that they were provoked by Bhushan's comments on Kashmir. One of the attackers has been arrested by the Police. Bhushan filed an FIR against the attackers.

In an earlier interview, Prashant had reportedly said that the Kashmiri people should be given 'azadi' if they don't want to live with India. He had also reportedly recommended that withdrawl of Indian army from Kashmir.

sumishi wrote:Prashant Bhushan beaten up for his Kashmir comments TOI: Oct 12, 2011
O man, the video! He really got some!

NEW DELHI: Senior Supreme Court advocate and Team Anna member Prashant Bhushan was beaten in his chamber by youth allegedly for his Kashmir comments.

Supreme Court lawyer-activist Prashant Bhushan was roughed up at his chambers here by a youth in full view of TV cameras Wednesday. The youth barged into his chamber and started beating him up, before being overpowered by others present in the room, TV visuals showed.

The two attackers claimed that they were from Sri Ram Sene. The attackers told Times Now that they were provoked by Bhushan's comments on Kashmir. One of the attackers has been arrested by the Police. Bhushan filed an FIR against the attackers.

In an earlier interview, Prashant had reportedly said that the Kashmiri people should be given 'azadi' if they don't want to live with India. He had also reportedly recommended that withdrawl of Indian army from Kashmir.

What a lame excuse, Its his Lok Pal stand and not his Kashmir comments which has got him beaten up.

^^
So will MMS now say that it was "unfortunate but necessary"?

http://news.outlookindia.com/item.aspx?737952

Questioning Government's move to make the Lokpal a Constitutional authority, Team Anna today said it was a tactic to delay or avoid its passage and "fool" the people.

"If government is serious on Lokpal, it should first pass the bill by winter session. Constitutional status is a sure means to delay or avoid the passage of the bill," activist Kiran Bedi said.

Bedi was responding to Law Minister Salman Khurshid's revelation in an interview to PTI last night that government intends to make the Lokpal a Constitutional authority which will be "more powerful" than the Election Commission".

For this purpose, he said a Constitutional amendment bill is to be introduced in the Winter session of Parliament starting next month and the Lokpal legislation is expected to be approved in the same session.

Bedi said the plans to make Lokpal a Constitutional authority was like "putting the cart before the horse. It's like, no bread (but) keep waiting for the illusionary cake. Who are they fooling?"

The move for a Constitutional body is a follow-up to the proposal made by AICC General Secretary Rahul Gandhi at last month's Lok Sabha debate on Lokpal.

sumishi wrote:Prashant Bhushan beaten up for his Kashmir comments TOI: Oct 12, 2011
O man, the video! He really got some!

After the youth was caught, Prashanth Bhushan is seen hitting the helpless youth. Reminded me of Digvijay Singh.

Aditya_V wrote:

sumishi wrote:
What a lame excuse, Its his Lok Pal stand and not his Kashmir comments which has got him beaten up.

Why do you say that? In the video, you can hear shouts about Kashmir clearly.

What Adiyta_V wants to say that is- Ram Sena is just an excuse, actually these are congress goons. They are hitting PB for his stand on corruption, but then in the meantime how do you defame/deflect it to opposition - Say it's RS and say because of Kashmir comments. Hindus get a bad name, Kashmir secession gets a little more sympathy from f'ollowers who vote for Rahul because he has cute dimple' crowd.
Thanks,
fanne

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 321588.cms

A curve ball from the Congress ...

The government on Tuesday said it would confer constitutional status on the proposed Lokpal, embracing the idea mooted by Rahul Gandhi.

"We are working on a very strong Lokpal bill. A Lokpal bill that will come with a constitutional amendment. That amendment will give the Lokpal the status of a constitutional authority," law minister Salman Khurshid told PTI on Tuesday.

Khurshid, who gave Rahul the credit for the move, further said the Lokpal would be "more powerful than the Election Commission", "will have far greater powers" as well as a profile and stature that is "much higher".

The new thinking on Lokpal seems to be designed to outmanoeuvre civil society activists as well as political opponents. It comes at a time when the Hazare campaign has upped the ante again, and Khurshid's disclosure coincided with the inauguration of L K Advani's rath yatra against graft.

fanne wrote:What Adiyta_V wants to say that is- Ram Sena is just an excuse, actually these are congress goons. They are hitting PB for his stand on corruption, but then in the meantime how do you defame/deflect it to opposition - Say it's RS and say because of Kashmir comments. Hindus get a bad name, Kashmir secession gets a little more sympathy from f'ollowers who vote for Rahul because he has cute dimple' crowd.
Thanks,
fanne

Yes, the precedent for such behaviour was set by Kasab & Co. They wore a Hindu thread and called Media up that they were were from Hyderabad- Deccan. If Kasab had died all of TSP would be shouting these were home grown Hindu terrorists of the same variety.

Why these clowns say are from some Bhagat singh org and then have a Ram Sene Pamplet. Does it make any sense?

Why would BJP or such organisation attack Bhushan after tolerating B.DUtt, Baweja, SAR geelani, Hurri- rats, A.Roy and host of other people at a time when is taking on the Congress??

and what is the link between Ram Sene and RSS or BJP or any other org, Mutalik is more of goon who does things to make Congress look good, notice his Stage managed debates with Youth Congress in Bengaluru. He will also conveniently come on AAJ TAK and say he can start a riot anywhere if you pay him.

Who benefits from all these incidents, it is only one party.

p.S- this could be an excuse to encounter kill Pramod Mutalik, that would be a good thing for such goons for hire.

Bhushan has been beaten up for his demand for referendum In Kashmir. Nothing to do with his association with Anna. He is just another leech like Agnivesh trying to get some fame. Second person who beat him up will probably give himself for arrest tomorrow.

Waiting for Su.A.R, Geelani, Padgaonkar etc turn

http://live.indiatimes.com/default.cms?timesnow=1

Attack on Prashant Bhushan, Congress attempt to link RSS with Anna Hazare movement, Law Minister Salman Khurshid verbal diarrhea re: locking up of corrupt businessmen by the courts... coming up live on Times Now.

jamwal wrote:Bhushan has been beaten up for his demand for referendum In Kashmir. Nothing to do with his association with Anna. He is just another leech like Agnivesh trying to get some fame. Second person who beat him up will probably give himself for arrest tomorrow.

Waiting for Su.A.R, Geelani, Padgaonkar etc etc

Sorry, Bhushan has not been beaten up for his remarks of Kashmir, then many in Media and JNU would have been beaten up. Giving 2 slaps in front of TV and shouting Jai Shree Ram only helps the INC.

Its a gimmick on which 3 days debates will happen.

There is a saying in the Audit profession I worked. Client puts a worm on the floor to which the Auditor's assistant shouts SNAKE SNAKE.

By the time everyone figures out whether it is a snake or a worm and elephant passes through without the Auditor looking at it.

No one is talking about corruption, No one is talking about the rubbish report of Introlucators, nobody is talking about Telegana, nobody is talking about black money.

All the whole nation will discuss for 3 days will be 2 Slaps illegally given in front of cameras in the Supreme Court premises for which these goons had easy access.