Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Nov 21, 2015

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 01 Jan 2016 02:32

$46-billion CPEC: Govt attempts to clear transparency concerns

ISLAMABAD: The government on Wednesday moved to address transparency concerns over $46 billion deals under the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), coming down hard on critics who have been raising concerns over growing public debt.

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Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 01 Jan 2016 03:54

Underprivileged to get free treatment at private hospitals as govt launches health insurance

Bhooka -Nanga Pakistan likes to "pretend" that they too have an universal health scheme like other normal nations.
In other nations, the plan is announced years in advance, budget allocation is set every year, infrastructure is built, feasibility studies undertaken,advice sought, various fee mechanism alternatives studied, implementation date set.
In Pakiland, Ganja announces decision ,everyone "feels good" and like other schemes, the project dies a natural death due to lack of funds, inadequate planning etc etc

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 01 Jan 2016 05:00

Talking to mango Pakistanis in the US, they are very leery of announcements by gobernment of Al-Bakistan. There is a general feeling of despair and doom, this is compounded by them having to bury their H&D and call themselves Indians.

A lot of them have high hopes from Dimran Khan, of all people!!!
I think, because some news anchors were supporting him in the past (Hasan Nisar, and the ISPR crowd).
But the guy has been a serious NONPERFORMER in KP.

Their new blue eyed boy seems to be the Jernail Sharif these days.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 01 Jan 2016 05:53

India’s healing touch brings Pakistanis in hordes

In the last five years, there has been a sharp spiral in the number of patients coming from Pakistan to India for treatment. At least 70% of them come for liver transplants, with Hepatitis C being the most common cause for the organ's failure, followed by Hepatitis B, autoimmune liver diseases and congenital diseases in children.

Interesting news for Pakistan watchers like Shiv ji and others.
for non medical rakshaks

Hepatitis C. You get this type if you have contact with contaminated blood or needles used to inject illegal drugs or draw tattoos.

Hepatitis B. This type spreads in several ways.You can get it from sex with someone who's sick or by sharing a needle when using street drugs. The virus also can pass from a mother to her newborn child at birth or soon afterward.

Most adults with hepatitis B get better, but a small percentage can't shake the disease and become carriers, which means they can spread it to others even when their own symptoms disappear.

Tells me that drug use might be pretty rampant in TSP since these two seem to have that one in common.

habal · Post by **habal** » 01 Jan 2016 06:01

what can India do in case of auto-immune liver disease .. once diagnosed it already must be in pretty advanced stage. Bleak chance of survival there.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 01 Jan 2016 06:27

Medical tourism must also account for a decent slice of foreign exchange revenues to India from La La Land.
Cardiac surgery, and stenting, Onco surgery and medical oncology and minimally invasive surgery are other fields where there is a lot of medical tourism.

For example, Narayan Hrudalaya in Bangalore, Kerela with its 50 odd operation theatres does more cardiac surgery than the entire SE asia, ME taken together!

arun · Post by **arun** » 01 Jan 2016 08:08

X Posted from the “Pakistani Role In Global Terrorism” thread.

Joh Lahore mein Gan*u woh London mein bhi Gan*u.

Mohammadden couple by name of Mohammed Rehman and Sana Ahmed Khan with origins in the terrorist fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan “found guilty of plotting a massive terror attack in London ahead of the 10th anniversary of the July 7 bombings this year”:

Pak-origin ‘Silent Bomber’ couple jailed for life over London terror plot

A bit more from the UK’s Daily Mail on Mohammaed Rehman’s links to the terrorist fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan:

………… Rehman, who was already a heavy cannabis user, walked out on an arranged marriage in Pakistan when his wife was four months pregnant and returned to Britain.

The child died six weeks after she was born, without Rehman ever seeing her or bothering to return for the funeral.

He had worked at Tesco until he was fired for stealing a chocolate bar and then went to work as a delivery driver for Dominos Pizzas but after returning from Pakistan he never worked again and was constantly borrowing money from his parents to pay his drug debts. …………….

From here : Clicky

Abhay_S · Post by **Abhay_S** » 01 Jan 2016 10:07

Sindh is on the boil. Hope the pegion has his eyes set on it.

habal · Post by **habal** » 01 Jan 2016 10:38

wig wrote:bolitical plash neuj ! new bolitical barty bith binning compination to be launched
Time to party (again) Having given up on The Great Khan, the powers-that–be are planning to launch yet another party (groan). This one is meant to contain hefty people from amongst those who have Sinned — the highly strung ZM, the old war-horse Mush himself, the ubiquitous P of P etc. And from the Punjab, the Chaudhry Duo and some other leftovers. Will “they” ever learn?
http://www.thefridaytimes.com/tft/such-gup-118/

So let's see. Zulfiqar Mirza, Musharraf, Pir Pagara, Chaudhry's of Gujrat will bring renaissance to Pakistan via GHQ.
ok.

member_28803 · Post by **member_28803** » 01 Jan 2016 12:38

Why we call him pigeon? Why not eagle or hawk?

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 01 Jan 2016 12:38

Gagan wrote:Medical tourism must also account for a decent slice of foreign exchange revenues to India from La La Land.
Cardiac surgery, and stenting, Onco surgery and medical oncology and minimally invasive surgery are other fields where there is a lot of medical tourism.

For example, Narayan Hrudalaya in Bangalore, Kerela with its 50 odd operation theatres does more cardiac surgery than the entire SE asia, ME taken together!

most of the owners of "free/subsidized" services to pakis are desperately in the run for padma shri/padma bhushan.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 01 Jan 2016 13:55

Brad Goodman wrote:India’s healing touch brings Pakistanis in hordes
In the last five years, there has been a sharp spiral in the number of patients coming from Pakistan to India for treatment. At least 70% of them come for liver transplants, with Hepatitis C being the most common cause for the organ's failure, followed by Hepatitis B, autoimmune liver diseases and congenital diseases in children.
Interesting news for Pakistan watchers like Shiv ji and others.
for non medical rakshaks
Hepatitis C. You get this type if you have contact with contaminated blood or needles used to inject illegal drugs or draw tattoos.

Hepatitis B. This type spreads in several ways.You can get it from sex with someone who's sick or by sharing a needle when using street drugs. The virus also can pass from a mother to her newborn child at birth or soon afterward.

Most adults with hepatitis B get better, but a small percentage can't shake the disease and become carriers, which means they can spread it to others even when their own symptoms disappear.
Tells me that drug use might be pretty rampant in TSP since these two seem to have that one in common.

Where are these livers coming from? Aren't liver transplants hard to do on account of supply limitations??

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 01 Jan 2016 16:12

Karan M wrote:
Where are these livers coming from? Aren't liver transplants hard to do on account of supply limitations??

Many of them are probably liver disease in children where a portion of the mother's liver can be taken

Just noticed - the Chennai Cardiac surgeon was my senior at medical college.

But I must point out that these transplants are training Indian surgeons in things that they could not get training for in India when I was a young man. A classmate of mine who looks after heart transplant patients in Cambridge in the UK trained along with Devi Shetty (of Narayana Hrudayalaya) in London. My classmates original training at AIIMS did not include any of this stuff back in the 80s.

jagga · Post by **jagga** » 01 Jan 2016 16:47

Celebratory aerial firing injures 17 across Karachi
New Year? Haram or Halal?

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 01 Jan 2016 17:37

Modi's Pakistan visit challenged in LHC

LAHORE - Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s visit to Pakistan was challenged in Lahore High Court (LHC) on Friday.

The petition was filed by Muneer Ahmad through Advocate Azhar Siddique. The petition has adopted the stance that Modi along with 120-member delegation visited Pakistan without any official permission.
The plea stated that the arrival was informed on social media however; no legal procedure was carried out for the visit whereas no action was also taken by law enforcement agencies and Interior Ministry in this regard.
Federal government, Ministry of Civil Aviation and Airport Security Force (ASF) were made parties in the petition. Modi paid a surprise visit to Pakistan and met Nawaz Sharif on December 25.
The two prime ministers held an hour and a half long meeting at Prime Minister Nawaz’s personal residence in Lahore at Jati Umra.

Someone making trouble for Ganja?

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 01 Jan 2016 20:53

Was this posted ...

http://www.oneindia.com/india/isi-s-ann ... 69292.html

ISI's annual budget for honey traps is Rs 3,500 crore Posted by: Vicky Nanjappa Published: Wednesday, December 30, 2015, 8:59 [IST]

The arrest of Ranjith K K, a former air force personnel on charges of spying at the behest of the ISI, Pakistan is an extremely worrying development. While investigating agencies are assessing the nature of information that he could have leaked out to the ISI, there is one thing clear and he fell prey to the oldest spy trick known as the honey trap.

Ranjith K K a dismissed IAF official was arrested by the Delhi police from Bhatinda in Punjab on charges of spying. The Delhi police say that he had fallen trap to a lady called Damini McNaught who pretended to be an executive of a media firm. She had sought out information from him on the pretext that she was writing an article on the IAF.

Rs 3,500 budget for Honey Traps: It is a well known fact that the ISI runs its Honey Traps from Faridkot in Pakistan. The ISI has a desk in Faridkot exclusively to set Honey Traps on Indian officials. It is the oldest spy game in the world and surprisingly it works even today. It may be recalled that a subedar from Hyderabad had been arrested in August 2014 after a lady by the name Anushka set a trap for him. The ISI has an annual budget of Rs 3,500 crore. This entire amount is spent on running the Faridkot wing. While in some cases, women lure officers with their charm by posting fake photographs in many other cases there has been a financial transaction. The amount spent on each Honey Trap would vary between Rs 5 lakh and Rs 25 lakh and this is dependant entirely on the nature of the information. Once the trap is set, the women continue to extract information for as long as they can. However once they get their information they disappear from the radar. Read More: Why are Lashkar-e-Tayiba cadres joining ISIS? It has been extremely difficult for Intelligence agencies to track such persons. Most of the times it is not a woman who sets the trap.

A man posing as a woman sets the trap most of the time. Moreover all the accounts that are created are operational only for a certain amount of time. Considering this racket is run by the ISI, it is extremely easy for them to wipe out all possible evidence that could lead up to a trail.

Read more at: http://www.oneindia.com/india/isi-s-ann ... 69292.html

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 01 Jan 2016 21:13

Jivana wrote:Why we call him pigeon? Why not eagle or hawk?

Dov(e)al.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 01 Jan 2016 21:41

further actual pronunciation is DoBHaL(डोभाळ).....like in ....if Pakistan has EkBal so what...we have DoBhal

Baikul · Post by **Baikul** » 01 Jan 2016 22:11

<OT> Dobhal is how it is both commonly written in English/Hindi/Garhwali and pronounced in the local language. That's he writing it as Doval could mean he pronounces it differently.</OT>

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 01 Jan 2016 23:08

Dipanker wrote:
Jivana wrote:Why we call him pigeon? Why not eagle or hawk?
Dov(e)al.

<OT>Entry added to the infamous dictionary. Please to suggest improvements or corrections?</OT>

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 01 Jan 2016 23:31

ArmenT it's invincible pigeon... Ajit Doval... Original name was coined by the bloggers at Lutyens masala and it became popular here thereafter, as memory serves.
https://mobile.twitter.com/lutyensmasala

Viv S · Post by **Viv S** » 02 Jan 2016 00:11

shiv wrote:With all this talk of relations with Pakistan, I hope I don't start hearing of talk of export of electricity from power surplus Punjab to power deficient Pakjab.

Why? As long as they pay in USD and the power is truly surplus, why should we not export electricity (or anything else for that matter)?

Truth is, its not that hard to address power shortages, at least at the generation end (distribution-end being a whole different issue). Especially with the price of coal having plummeted to 12 year lows, with the figure expected to fall further in 2016 & 2017.

A working port, decent transport infrastructure, land, capital and a 4-5 year lead time is what you need to get a thermal power project going. (Adani's Mudra project is an apt example.) With Chinese contributing technical support and capital, at some point they will sort it out.

If we can make an easy buck in the interim, we ought to be all for it. If we're lucky, we might even keep the thing going for a longer period by reducing the impetus for heavy investment on the Pakistani side.

Our investments in the power sector have been made mostly in rupees (with even critical equipment like turbines now being manufactured locally by Toshiba and the like) while the returns in this case, will come in the form of valuable foreign exchange.

You don't see China having any qualms about exporting all manner of technical equipment to India (the worries are entirely on our side, particularly relating to our bilateral trade deficit). Why should we be turning down a business opportunity?

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 02 Jan 2016 00:28

Why? As long as they pay in USD and the power is truly surplus, why should we not export electricity (or anything else for that matter)?

because he believes a prosperous Pakistan is bad for India........

some of the gentlemen who post on this forum are not true capitalists nor do they believe the efficacy of it........the whole Brit Raj colonial mercantilism thing destroys any notion they have of capitalism...

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 02 Jan 2016 00:40

True capitalism is just like true Islam. It is the religion of prosperity.

And who better to judge us on our "true" capitalist score than someone who does not understand the difference between mercantilism (the root of mass murderers, colonialists and caravan raiders) and libertarian capitalism (the snake oil that Unkil has been selling).

McCarthy would be proud... and so would Cu*tchill.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 02 Jan 2016 01:13

Rahat Fateh Ali Khan deported on arrival from India's Hyderabad

Pakistani Singer Rahat Fateh Ali Khan on Thursday morning was deported from India’s Rajiv Gandhi International Airport (RGIA) in Hyderabad, the Times of India reported.

He added, “If a Pakistani national enters through any other airport, except the four metros, his/her travel to India cannot be recorded. Hence it is mandatory that they stick to the four ports. This system has been put in place to monitor the movement of Pakistani nationals in and out of the country.”

“There was a technical issue with his documentation and he was deported to Abu Dhabi on the same flight,” an immigration official told TOI.

Comments : Those who justified dean jones deportation, are now getting angry on rahat ali deportation…visitor has to respect local immigration rules

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partha · Post by **partha** » 02 Jan 2016 05:05

Pathankot AirForce base under attack. Gun battle is going on.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 02 Jan 2016 05:07

TSJones wrote:
Why? As long as they pay in USD and the power is truly surplus, why should we not export electricity (or anything else for that matter)?
because he believes a prosperous Pakistan is bad for India........

Because money in Pakistani pockets translates into money in Lashkar-e-Taiba, Jaish-e-Muhammad, etc., pockets, which translates into dead and injured Indians.

And the US has had sanctions on Cuba for 50+ years, the sanctions on Russia, the sanctions on Iran, sanctions on Venezuela, were all very much in the spirit of laissez-faire capitalism, no doubt...

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 02 Jan 2016 05:22

A_Gupta wrote:
TSJones wrote: because he believes a prosperous Pakistan is bad for India........
Because money in Pakistani pockets translates into money in Lashkar-e-Taiba, Jaish-e-Muhammad, etc., pockets, which translates into dead and injured Indians.

And the US has had sanctions on Cuba for 50+ years, the sanctions on Russia, the sanctions on Iran, sanctions on Venezuela, were all very much in the spirit of laissez-faire capitalism, no doubt...

A_Gupta, extremely well said. Capitalism, communism, socialism, or any other ism will have to be circumscribed by our security & national interests, as it has been for the US and other countries. Pakistan tops the 'Axis of the Evil' and somehow that is not apparent to some.

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 02 Jan 2016 06:21

Breaking news...
Indian Air Force base in Pathankot under attack

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 02 Jan 2016 06:53

Tribune News Service
Pathankot, January 2
The Air Force station at Pathankot was attacked by terrorists in the wee hours this morning. Two Air Force personnel were reported killed at the station gate, while two of the assailants were shot dead in the exchange of fire that was triggered. In all there were four or five attackers at the site, though more were suspected to have infiltrated from Pakistan.
Even as the National Security Guard was being mobilised, the terrorists were believed to have been contained in a small area. No damage to Air Force assets was reported thus far. The exchange of fire is still going on.
The intruders wearing Army uniforms were suspected to have entered the Air Force premises in an official vehicle.

http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/punjab ... 78456.html

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 02 Jan 2016 07:04

Viv S wrote:
shiv wrote:With all this talk of relations with Pakistan, I hope I don't start hearing of talk of export of electricity from power surplus Punjab to power deficient Pakjab.
Why? As long as they pay in USD and the power is truly surplus, why should we not export electricity (or anything else for that matter)?
<snip>
You don't see China having any qualms about exporting all manner of technical equipment to India (the worries are entirely on our side, particularly relating to our bilateral trade deficit). Why should we be turning down a business opportunity?

This is a perfectly valid viewpoint, but as I see it - this argument is used by even half assed Indian businessmen let alone the astute successful ones. "China also does it" is just the sort of rhetoric that is used by this group of people as if that overrides any other objection or viewpoints that there might be.

In my view the strategic implications of business decisions are not adequately debated or discussed in India while everyone naturally wants to make a fast buck. The idea of my raising the issue is to try and stimulate an alternate view on trade with Pakistan on issues that do not appear in public discourse as opposed to well worn arguments about "clever business strategies"

arun · Post by **arun** » 02 Jan 2016 07:06

I applaud the Shiv Sena’s position of not associating with the Mohammadden terrorist fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan even on artistic matters till such time as the Islamic Republic acts on Mohammadden Terrorism targeting India even while recognising methods used by the Shiv Sena may be less than halal.

I also find it most regrettable that the BJP and Prime Minister Narendra Modi U-turned on the pre-election commitment to our Nation of following a robust policy when it came to the Mohammadden terrorist fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan and instead are permitting their citizens access to India. Most disappointing that the our Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s Government is not doing what they ought to be doing and are instead leaving the job to the Shiv Sena:

Pakistani singers' concert called off after Shiv Sena threat

Meanwhile the Sabri Brothers are not the only citizens of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan traipsing around in India, from Hyderabad comes the disappointing news that Rahat Fateh Ali Khan was granted a visa to sully India’s land:

A twisted tale of Rahat’s performance

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 02 Jan 2016 07:09

TSJones wrote:
Why? As long as they pay in USD and the power is truly surplus, why should we not export electricity (or anything else for that matter)?
because he believes a prosperous Pakistan is bad for India........

some of the gentlemen who post on this forum are not true capitalists nor do they believe the efficacy of it........the whole Brit Raj colonial mercantilism thing destroys any notion they have of capitalism...

Capitalism is to America what Allah is to ISIS. Each gets attributes that are convenient to justify the current viewpoint. Capitalism, unlike communism encourages inequality - with one person benefiting at the expense of another. That is the naturaal order of things in any case (IMHO). That is all that I am recommending.

However this philosophical interlude is orthogonal to my purpose of bringing up power supply to Pakistan. I am just trying to raise the topic of strategic interests that might conflict with business interests. But I think AGupta has pointed that out already.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 02 Jan 2016 07:10

You dont see China being all lovey dovey when taiwan is being offered alms it pays for, not even the alms bakiatan bends over for. And lets consider cheeni bonhomie re. vietnam and oyel. Energy is energy, after all? Electric or hydrokarpon.

All this china this and china that would stop the day bakistanis demand two thirds of xinxiang on a platter. Until then the bhai chara babble is paid for prop-a-gandu.

arun · Post by **arun** » 02 Jan 2016 07:47

A_Gupta wrote:Tribune News Service
Pathankot, January 2
The Air Force station at Pathankot was attacked by terrorists in the wee hours this morning. Two Air Force personnel were reported killed at the station gate, while two of the assailants were shot dead in the exchange of fire that was triggered. In all there were four or five attackers at the site, though more were suspected to have infiltrated from Pakistan.
Even as the National Security Guard was being mobilised, the terrorists were believed to have been contained in a small area. No damage to Air Force assets was reported thus far. The exchange of fire is still going on.
The intruders wearing Army uniforms were suspected to have entered the Air Force premises in an official vehicle.

http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/punjab ... 78456.html

The BJP led Government of Prime Minister Narendra Modi seems to have built themselves a contingency plan for continuing dialogue with the Mohammadden Terrorist fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan following an inevitable Islamic Republic of Pakistan linked Terrorist attack in India by having our Minister of External Affairs. Sushma Swaraj, make this comment in Mid-December of last year ie: 2015.

Be prepared for the ugly spectacle of Nehru Gandhi family led Congress Party member Mani Shankar Aiyar applauding Modi Sarkar’s resolve to make talks with the Mohammadden Terrorist fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan “uninterrupted and uninterruptible” despite provocation of Islamic Republic of Pakistan linked Mohammadden Terrorist attacks in India

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Can’t let saboteurs stop dialogue with Pakistan: Sushma Swaraj

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 02 Jan 2016 07:55

shiv wrote: I have to admit that Modi is an out of box thinker although I personally would have been perfectly happy if Pakistan was totally ignored. Obviously that is not going to happen. I am hoping that if Turdistan is engaged it will be on our terms

just sayin..

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 02 Jan 2016 07:56

Spinster wrote:Now that peace overtures are being made time to get ready for war...

The nature of Pakistan is like scorpion it will embrace with claws but the tail is always poised to sting

A la Kargil

jMT

just sayin..

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 02 Jan 2016 08:01

Avinash R wrote:‘Kissing’ Pakistani soil ‘soaked’ in Indian blood will prove ‘costly’: Shiv Sena to PM Modi

It is One Week since Modi held Nawaz Sharifs hand

Two sons/husbands/fathers lost

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 02 Jan 2016 08:06

All 4 Pakistani Islamic Fidayeen Jihadi motherf*****s killed
https://twitter.com/Chopsyturvey/status ... 1186359297

Let us have uninterrupted and uninterruptible dialogue

Viv S · Post by **Viv S** » 02 Jan 2016 08:38

shiv wrote:This is a perfectly valid viewpoint, but as I see it - this argument is used by even half assed Indian businessmen let alone the astute successful ones. "China also does it" is just the sort of rhetoric that is used by this group of people as if that overrides any other objection or viewpoints that there might be.

In my view the strategic implications of business decisions are not adequately debated or discussed in India while everyone naturally wants to make a fast buck. The idea of my raising the issue is to try and stimulate an alternate view on trade with Pakistan on issues that do not appear in public discourse as opposed to well worn arguments about "clever business strategies"

What are the 'strategic implications' of exporting surplus electricity? The criticism appears based on a 'gut' response, rather than a cold unsentimental (dare-I-say.. Kautilyan) analysis of the before/after differential in state power. I can, for example, see why a segment of the Pakistanis would have issues with it:

- it'll result in net outflow of forex from Pakistan into India further exacerbating the bilateral trade deficit
- it'll divert their federal govt's finances from domestic power generation to direct purchases
- it'll divert funding from 'friendly' Chinese companies (involved in the CPEC project) to 'predatory' Indian ones
- Indian producers could potential undercut their existing (domestic) producers, further cutting into the local industry
- the resultant dependency will provide India with additional leverage in the event of escalating tensions

All this at a time where the stress on the Pakistani generation capacity is reducing (a result of tanking oil prices) and with the CPEC projected to add over 13GW of capacity to their national grid through loans worth over $33bn.