Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 19 Oct 2013 23:46

a virus can't be overcome by antibiotics.. so if modi thinks like he has antibiotic strategy to kill kangrez corruption, then he will not be successful.

a virus however can be overcome by playing the good virus - ie, become RNAs and DNAs of anti-corruption setup proliferate. that is the only way to achieve corruption less governance.

checks, balances and take away all corruption oil machinery, then there is a higher chance of combating corruption virus. kangrez is a body to hold the corruption virus.. bjp, has to first be clean in all respects to occupy with good DNAs.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 19 Oct 2013 23:49

Rudradev wrote:What have you come across on this subject that isn't anecdotal?

Ummm, only a few scores of public opinion surveys that have been published over the past several months. Or are you claiming they are anecdotal ?

There is absolute uniformity in ALL opinion polls as well as in my own anecdotal survey that Modi would win in a direct PM contest. The only reason he might not win as many is because the voting in India is not for PM for but a local MP who might not fit the bill.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 19 Oct 2013 23:49

Rudradev wrote:KJoishy, yes they want change, but NOT ENOUGH people are convinced that NaMo is the man who can/will deliver it. MSM and Cong campaigns to present him as a "Feku" have been more effective at creating doubt/skepticism than we would like to admit. Ishrat Jahan and 2002 campaigns haven't shown many results (except perhaps among Muslims and far left) but the Feku allegations have prevented the center from committing themselves wholly to Modi.

While your thoughts about not being complacent are quite needed. However you do give a lot more importance to 'Feku' campaign. While I was on my visit to India, I never heard any family or friends talking about 'Feku' or Modi's effective or ineffective governance of Gujarat. The 'Feku' campaign is till at the intellectual level, and the aam admi (like my parents or family members) have not heard about it, or not heard sufficiently about it. It is no doubt a craze among the tweeple and people who follow FB/Twitter and 'trending' in the social media.

Thankfully, people in India are yet to become addicted to 24/7 news channels. Serials, movies and cricket still rule the air waves and cable. And people still read those weekly magazines of the non-english varieties.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 19 Oct 2013 23:54

Rudradev wrote: Now all the hard evidence being in Modi's favour... most notably being re-elected four times in a state where he HAS provided development... isn't enough to convince people. So what exactly deters them? I can only conclude that it is the Feku campaign.

With all due respect RD, I have been harping for a very long time about how the politics of India works, and why there is no NaMo wave. This is merely something you have encountered now. I remember you were rather harsh on me in the past on the same topic.

The reason, IMVHO is that you are still making the same mistake as you made last time. The politics in country is rarely presidential. People vote of local leaders and local parties, and their approach is very local + in ideological space, there is massive dhimmification, and congress type mindset due to 60 years of education system creating zombies.

The campaigns that you refer to has almost no consequence, no one cares. The issue are far more deep seated, have a 60 year old history and deal with details at village levels in terms of political choices.

This mistake, you, and most other people who support NaMo make, is to assume that 60 years of history will be swept aside by a man, and over night you will have a US style election. NOT.

That is why NaMo makes all the "sikular" noises, and yet despite all that, and his statement and work, what people will chose to believe and what they will do, and the correlation of those choices to reality, is very different.

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 19 Oct 2013 23:55

Rudradev wrote:KJoishy, yes they want change, but NOT ENOUGH people are convinced that NaMo is the man who can/will deliver it. MSM and Cong campaigns to present him as a "Feku" have been more effective at creating doubt/skepticism than we would like to admit. Ishrat Jahan and 2002 campaigns haven't shown many results (except perhaps among Muslims and far left) but the Feku allegations have prevented the center from committing themselves wholly to Modi.

Same is my experience with extended middle class family in MH. There is so much cynicism in many, that they prefer continuation of the current regime, rather try something which is "new/untested" at the national level. I guess people who are in more dire straits are more willing to try a new regime. The ones who have something to hold on to, prefer to keep the current rotten structure. And no, I am not talking about big business people, only about aam naukri type sajjan crowd. They just do not want any disruptions, and for that they are ok to pay "hafta" in terms of bad governance, etc.

rajithn · Post by **rajithn** » 19 Oct 2013 23:57

As a country, we have been socially engineered on the psec philosophy for over 60 years. So, could it be a case of people not coming out and accepting that they want Modi - for fear of being branded 'communal'? If this is indeed the case then the 'closet' mentality is indeed worrying. And if, again, this is the case, then i hope the anonymity of voting will help these people overcome that fear when they are at the voting booth. Therein lies the risk - if the people continue with the 'wait and watch' attitude then we will have UPA 3 or a third or fourth or fifth front...which will surely put the whole country down an irrecoverable slippery slope to nowhere. The good news here is that NaMo is focused on a booth level campaign..and he keeps emphasising this in his party meetings..perhaps he understands this fear in people to vote for change.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 20 Oct 2013 00:14

Arjun wrote:
Rudradev wrote:What have you come across on this subject that isn't anecdotal?
Ummm, only a few scores of public opinion surveys that have been published over the past several months. Or are you claiming they are anecdotal ?

There is absolute uniformity in ALL opinion polls as well as in my own anecdotal survey that Modi would win in a direct PM contest. The only reason he might not win as many is because the voting in India is not for PM for but a local MP who might not fit the bill.

That's precisely the point. Opinion polls asking "who would you want as PM" mean exactly nothing, because there is no head-to-head "direct PM contest" in Indian politics. The Congress doesn't have to win, to defeat Modi or thwart him from becoming PM. All they have to do is create enough uncertainty about Modi's ability to deliver on his promises about governance and development, and he won't get the votes he needs. And they're succeeding in doing that.

Almost ALL the people I talked to are disenchanted, disgusted or worse with the UPA; but it's Manmohan Singh who is getting almost all of the blame, especially from those who (like most voters) aren't ideologically inclined or keen observers of the Congress system. The Family gets relatively little or no blame, and they'll be in a good position to survive and regroup with some other proxy PM if 2014 brings a catastrophic third-front mishmash. Rahul doesn't inspire confidence, but gets more benefit of the doubt than he reasonably deserves. Meanwhile, a common criticism of Modi has been that he makes "tall claims"... something completely unsubstantiated by the reality of Gujarat's development, but nonetheless a charge that most of my sample seems to have internalized to some extent. I can't imagine any reason for this other than the success of the Congress' "Feku" campaign.

There isn't a single "public opinion survey" that has aggregated these nuances and presented them in the light of what they really mean for Modi's electoral prospects. So in my view, they're worth even less than anecdotal sampling.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 20 Oct 2013 00:20

SwamyG wrote: While your thoughts about not being complacent are quite needed. However you do give a lot more importance to 'Feku' campaign. While I was on my visit to India, I never heard any family or friends talking about 'Feku' or Modi's effective or ineffective governance of Gujarat. The 'Feku' campaign is till at the intellectual level, and the aam admi (like my parents or family members) have not heard about it, or not heard sufficiently about it. It is no doubt a craze among the tweeple and people who follow FB/Twitter and 'trending' in the social media.

No one I talked to has explicitly referred to it by the name "Feku" either. I am just using that term for convenience here. But at least in Mumbai, the message is getting across pretty widely that Modi will not be able to deliver anything like the development or governance he promises on a national scale.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 20 Oct 2013 00:25

From what I have seen of Indian elections (several state and national ones), if BJP cannot get observers and agents at the booth level for each and every constituency, it is very tough to win. Congress has extremely well oiled grass-roots (read panchayat and village srpanch level) organization all the way down to lease farmers in small 2-3000 people villages. They also have various aces (tricks) up their sleeve. Looking from a large/mini/micro metro middle-class vantage is not going to help in getting votes. These are what just about 250 million tops and voting percentages from this demographic are quite low.

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 20 Oct 2013 00:26

My own personal probes also have resulted in the same reaction.
There is a significant chunk of people who display a visceral revulsion to what is called the 'Hindu Right'.
Others also feel that all politicians are the same, and Modi is just being projected.

While social media has made a difference do not underestimate the power of MSM.
I have very little hope. BJP needs to get some heavy hitters to fix MSM.

rajithn · Post by **rajithn** » 20 Oct 2013 01:00

This fight was never going to be easy. And the odds that are stacked up against Modi was clear from the get go: biased MSM, the dirty tricks departments of the congis and the south Delhi cocktail circuit. The cynicism of the Indian public. Last but not the least: a win was never guaranteed.

However, i do believe a lot has been achieved in the past few months and a lot more can be done in the coming few.

Again, Modi's focus on booth management is going to be key.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 20 Oct 2013 01:06

Rudradev wrote:There isn't a single "public opinion survey" that has aggregated these nuances and presented them in the light of what they really mean for Modi's electoral prospects. So in my view, they're worth even less than anecdotal sampling.

Rudradev ji,

I don't dispute that a lot more needs to be done to get to the NaMo sweep we all hope for, only I am wary about jumping to the wrong conclusions in the interim....I just don't think the so-called 'Feku' campaign has had any effect whatsoever on ground issues.

Primarily, what NaMo needs to be concerned about are-

1. Booth-level and Constituency-level tactical operations (and by all accounts he is revving things up on this side)
2. Getting Indians to start thinking nationally for national elections, as opposed to attitude of favoring regional and local parties (this is a huge problem in India frankly, but NaMo is starting to make a dent at least in the urban metros that have traditionally voted local)
3. Swaying the fence-sitters and some part of the opposition camp (he's certainly made a big impression with fence-sitters, so my sense is the 'sample' you ran into must be the traditional Congress-voting type which is certainly a problem area that needs to be addressed)

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 20 Oct 2013 01:07

Sanku wrote:
Rudradev wrote: Now all the hard evidence being in Modi's favour... most notably being re-elected four times in a state where he HAS provided development... isn't enough to convince people. So what exactly deters them? I can only conclude that it is the Feku campaign.
With all due respect RD, I have been harping for a very long time about how the politics of India works, and why there is no NaMo wave. This is merely something you have encountered now. I remember you were rather harsh on me in the past on the same topic.

The reason, IMVHO is that you are still making the same mistake as you made last time. The politics in country is rarely presidential. People vote of local leaders and local parties, and their approach is very local + in ideological space, there is massive dhimmification, and congress type mindset due to 60 years of education system creating zombies.

The campaigns that you refer to has almost no consequence, no one cares. The issue are far more deep seated, have a 60 year old history and deal with details at village levels in terms of political choices.

This mistake, you, and most other people who support NaMo make, is to assume that 60 years of history will be swept aside by a man, and over night you will have a US style election. NOT.

That is why NaMo makes all the "sikular" noises, and yet despite all that, and his statement and work, what people will chose to believe and what they will do, and the correlation of those choices to reality, is very different.

Sanku, with all due respect, not one word I have said goes any distance towards proving you right.

The fact that you consistently misattribute people's support for NaMo to an alleged perception of Indian politics as "US Style Election," only confirms the myopia that continues to cloud your own capacity for analysis. It seems that you still cannot digest the BJP cadre's overwhelming rejection of the grasping old corpse who led the party to two consecutive defeats, and was angling desperately for the chance at a third humiliation in 2014.

In dispensing with the likes of Advani and Sushma Swaraj, NaMo has already changed 60 years of history in terms of Indian political "tradition"... and changed the BJP immeasurably for the better. Name one other state-level leader who has managed to emerge from obscurity and effect such a coup on a national scale, rather than remaining quietly within his own regional satrap's domain. No one in the Congress has been able to do it, and that's the only other national party. Indian politics are never going to be the same after NaMo, regardless of how he performs in 2014.

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 20 Oct 2013 01:14

Sanku:

All the issues you highlighted are orthogonal to Modi.

The only question to ask is whether it was too early for Modi, and whether he should have done more groundwork at the national level (including media management) before this cycle. But the thing is that will India in its current form survive till 2019.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 20 Oct 2013 01:21

The disadvantage NM faces is the pessimism that has stemmed many sections of the society. That good development and governance are impossibilities. That all of it is rhetoric. NM has to realize that converting rally crowds and interest in him to votes will require him addressing that pessimism. That i think he realizes to some extent and is quoting the disaster INC has been last 56 years. He has a twin task: Show INC has ruined the country and they would have been better of otherwise. And second that he does have a dream to achieve. He is generating steam on both these fronts..and the assault must continue.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 20 Oct 2013 01:26

Arjun-ji, agreed on points 1 and 2 entirely. It's on point 3 (the Fence-Sitters) that I find myself forced to disagree with you on his present degree of success. I wish it had been otherwise, but the ones I've spoken to are all still pretty firmly on the fence; and it's not because they're Congress voters either (almost all, as I said, express revulsion towards the UPA.)

And yes, maybe it's just the sample I've spoken to, but my sense is that the reluctance to commit to vote for Modi stems more from a lack of belief in his capacity to deliver on his promises, rather than the "Hindu Right" business (other than in a few isolated cases of chronic secularitis.) This is why I believe that a Congress/MSM misinformation campaign (call it "Feku" or whatever else you like) has been taking some considerable toll, and needs to be aggressively countered.

What this means, unfortunately, is people likely to waste their votes on Independents or AAP-type trojans, or most often on the very caste-based/regional parties whose seat share NaMo MUST wear down in order to win 2014. In Mumbai, this space is most likely to be dominated by the SS/MNS as Atri garu pointed out... so there's not much to worry about, especially if Modi can bring both Uddhav and Raj into the fold. In other cities, towns, districts and villages... it's a different story. Doubt about Modi translates not into votes for the UPA but votes for the spoilers.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 20 Oct 2013 01:29

Rudradev wrote:
SwamyG wrote: While your thoughts about not being complacent are quite needed. However you do give a lot more importance to 'Feku' campaign. While I was on my visit to India, I never heard any family or friends talking about 'Feku' or Modi's effective or ineffective governance of Gujarat. The 'Feku' campaign is till at the intellectual level, and the aam admi (like my parents or family members) have not heard about it, or not heard sufficiently about it. It is no doubt a craze among the tweeple and people who follow FB/Twitter and 'trending' in the social media.

No one I talked to has explicitly referred to it by the name "Feku" either. I am just using that term for convenience here. But at least in Mumbai, the message is getting across pretty widely that Modi will not be able to deliver anything like the development or governance he promises on a national scale.

For several of us, who have the luxury of not having to grapple with everyday problems of life in India, we can see the benefits of strategy and vision. For the people at the ground, tactical solutions are paramount. What happens to them the next day is far more important than what happens to them/country in the next 5 years.

For a visionary statesman like Modi, the balance between Strategy vs Tactics is an important one. Strategy is definite need for long term growth of the people/country, however the ship has to be kept moving and he needs to articulate the immediate gains he can bring to the common man.

In campaigns, a party or an individual is likely to hype and make promises, which will not materialize always. People, have become cynic regarding politicians and trust them less. And they will view Modi with the same yardstick that they measure other politicians. This is a fight for hearts and minds, and it will test his leadership abilities - how does he strike the chord in aam admi to vote for him.

His ideas are not utopian, and seem practical. He has some history of fructifying them as well. If he becomes the PM, there is bound to be some marked changes for the benefit of people.

BJP has to win the war of message. Use MSM, social media and others to reach out to the people. The war has to be fought on the streets and at the doorsteps.

disha · Post by **disha** » 20 Oct 2013 01:47

Rudradev wrote:KJoishy, yes they want change, but NOT ENOUGH people are convinced that NaMo is the man who can/will deliver it. MSM and Cong campaigns to present him as a "Feku" have been more effective at creating doubt/skepticism than we would like to admit. Ishrat Jahan and 2002 campaigns haven't shown many results (except perhaps among Muslims and far left) but the Feku allegations have prevented the center from committing themselves wholly to Modi.

KJoishy wrote:Got an email from my dad and he didn't seem very gung ho about NaMo. I wonder why. Do we get a different view of things in the US? I would expect that they are fed up in India and want change.

1. People want Ram Rajya and the Ram to come without lifting a finger.

2. They think the system is so bad and powerful that the system will change the person and not vice versa.

Yes, the FUD is going places for eg. a close friend after hearing all the positives/negatives logically says plaintively - "all true but we do not want fascists" !! - so what was Emergency 75 about - "oh it happened way in past". All you are left then is with a bunch of @#$@% words.

But more importantly ppl will vote along clan lines and FUD solidifies those lines. That is, if I am inclined to vote for CongI, I will buy into the campaign and vote for CongI. Now I have a reason instead of sitting at home and do R&Dh (Rona and Dhona) onlee.

And what is the expectation - BJP under NaMo going to 272+? We are setting ourselves for failure.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 20 Oct 2013 01:51

negi · Post by **negi** » 20 Oct 2013 01:57

Rudradev problem is working population including me do not want to waste a Sunday lining up in a queue to caste our vote; I mean seriously I know it is criminal but then so are a lot of other things which we do on a day to day basis like wasting food instead of not giving it to a dog or a beggar etc etc. My point being most of the Namo fans are just that i.e. Namo fans , they are not going to vote for majority of them are city dwellers and unless we have a SMS or web enabled system of voting this section of electorate is not going to caste their votes in large numbers. I will give NDA (including TDP) say about 50 more seats from what it has today in the house due to Namo wave.

disha · Post by **disha** » 20 Oct 2013 02:05

Rudradev wrote:Now all the hard evidence being in Modi's favour... most notably being re-elected four times in a state where he HAS provided development... isn't enough to convince people. So what exactly deters them? I can only conclude that it is the Feku campaign.

And there will be several who will overlook that. Why? I think the analysis is right, but conclusion is wrong. Bottom line is, change is difficult. Particularly lot of deshis is in the "middle-class" "khata-pita" types indulge only in one thing - lament over country going to dogs and blame the system (and particularly one who tries to change the system) and then talk about how their wards can ape the elite.

Some of them never go out to vote. Even at immense pain - going out to vote will be a problem for them and if they are not of "khata-peeta" types - then they go to what their "colony bosses" tell them to do. That is again along "clan lines".

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 20 Oct 2013 02:12

up up for NRIs in that video!

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 20 Oct 2013 02:12

NM should say Hey Voters..even if there is a Donkey standing on the BJP platform from your constituency vote for the Donkey than vote for the INC candidate! That should get a lot of votes in the kitty..I would!

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 20 Oct 2013 02:14

Our data-set is those influenced by MSM. MSM needs to be fixed.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 20 Oct 2013 02:45

'नमो पंख' लगाकर उड़ने को बेकरार

कानपुर, कार्यालय प्रतिनिधि/ हमारे संवाददाता : उनकी आंखों में कुछ कर दिखाने का जुनून है। देश की चरमराती व्यवस्था में जान फूंकने की कुव्वत, मोदी इज माई होप..। यह उनकी सोच है, जो बुद्धा पार्क की विशाल रैली में नरेंद्र मोदी को सुनने आए थे। 'जागरण' ने जब युवा, बुजुर्ग और मुसलमानों से बात की तो उनके अंदर मोदी के प्रति प्यार साफ झलका। वे बोले कि हमारी उम्मीदों को नमो ही पंख लगा सकते हैं।

मोदी बहाएंगे विकास की गंगा

बीकाम छात्रा नेहा मिश्रा व आईआईटी छात्र सौजन्य, आरती व कंचन ने कहा कि छात्रों को लैपटाप, टैबलेट व बेरोजगारी भत्ता बांटने से काम नहीं चलेगा। युवाओं को रोजगार चाहिए, तभी असली समस्या खत्म होगी। आईआईटी छात्राएं पूनम, दीपा व अर्चना ने कहा कि हमें रोजगार मिलेगा तो लैपटाप व टैबलेट स्वयं ही खरीद लेंगे। मोदी ने जैसी विकास की गंगा गुजरात में बहायी है, वह पूरे देश में बहनी चाहिए। बीटेक कर रहे योगेश शर्मा व अतुल सिन्हा कहते हैं कि रोजगार बढ़ाकर बेरोजगारी दूर की जाए। देश में रोजगार की संभावनाएं अधिक होंगी तो युवाओं को परेशानी नहीं होगी। पत्रकारिता की पढ़ाई कर रहीं प्रतिष्ठा सिंह व श्रुति शुक्ला के मुताबिक दूसरी सरकारों ने युवाओं के लिए कुछ नहीं किया। हमारी नजर मोदी की ओर है, इसलिए हम उन्हें यहां सुनने आए हैं।

यूपी से ज्यादा गुजरात में सुरक्षित हैं मुसलमान

नरेंद्र मोदी का क्रेज मुस्लिमों के बीच भी दिखाई दिया। मुस्लिम युवकों ने नमो नमो का जाप कर मोदी को अविवादित नेता बताया। रैली का हिस्सा बनने कल्याणपुर के इम्तियाज मुस्लिम युवकों के साथ बुद्धा पार्क पहुंचे थे। मोदी की अल्पसंख्यक विरोधी छवि के बारे में पूछने पर बताया कि सभी आरोप बेबुनियाद हैं। मोदी बेदाग हैं। यहां इरफान अहमद, मो. असलम, मो. आसिफ, सफी अहमद, मो. साजिद हुसैन, जाहिर अहमद आदि आए थे।

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बुजुर्गो को भी भाए मोदी

हमार जिंदगी तो गुजर गे बच्चन का एइसन जिंदगी न गुजारे देब। ई खातिर हिन आए हैं। कोउ हमार तकदीर बदले तो काहे न ओके सुनी। और संगी साथी राहे तौ भीड़ मा बिछड़ गे।'

अगनू, कटरी गांव

मोदी को प्रधानमंत्री बनाने आए हैं। मोदी नाम की हवा बह रही है। युवाओं में जोश है। इस जोश को हम बूढ़े थोड़ा धक्का देंगे तो मोदी नैया पार लग जाएगी।

रामप्रकाश सिंह, रायबरेली

एक-एक बूंद से सागर भरता है। एक-एक आदमी से मैदान भरेगा और एक-एक वोट से देश की सरकार बनेगी और यह एक आदमी (मोदी) देश की तकदीर बदलेगा।

जयकरन सिंह, शिवाजी नगर

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उम्मीद लेकर पहुंची महिलाएं

पूरा देश मोदी से उम्मीद लगाए है। हम भी उनका दम देखने आए हैं। गृहस्थी का बजट सही रहे और महिला के साथ हो रहे अत्याचार थमें, यही उम्मीद है।

पारुल सिंह, वर्किंग वूमेन

मनरेगा में काफी समय से पैसे का भुगतान नहीं किया गया। हम यहां उम्मीद लेकर आए हैं कि मोदी प्रधानमंत्री बनेंगे तो सारी समस्याएं हल हो जाएंगी।

गुले ऑसमी, मनरेगा में कार्यरत

बेरोजगारी और गरीबी बढ़ती जा रही है। अपराध इतने बढ़ गए हैं कि कब कौन चपेट में आ जाए कोई नहीं जानता। सभी को उस व्यक्ति को सुनना चाहिए जिसने गुजरात में बहुत कुछ करके दिखाया हो।

नम्रता गुप्ता, शिक्षिका

http://www.jagran.com/uttar-pradesh/kan ... 06832.html

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 20 Oct 2013 03:09

Modi's popularity is steadily increasing. We need to get out of this pessimistic mindset and stop blaming things like the "Feku" campaign. Be optimistic, tell as many people as you can to vote and do your part on social media. This is the final stretch. Modi didn't make it this far to lose.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 20 Oct 2013 03:10

harbans wrote:NM should say Hey Voters..even if there is a Donkey standing on the BJP platform from your constituency vote for the Donkey than vote for the INC candidate! That should get a lot of votes in the kitty..I would!

This will happen. Just wait. The strategy is not to peak in October when the election is in April.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 20 Oct 2013 03:11

harbans wrote:NM should say Hey Voters..even if there is a Donkey standing on the BJP platform from your constituency vote for the Donkey than vote for the INC candidate! That should get a lot of votes in the kitty..I would!

do you know only donkeys vote donkeys.. in the sense, there is a large population out there to vote for corruption. people at large are more corrupt than donkeys themselves.. you would be surprised, that if you take account, that would be itself be worth 300,000 tonne of gold... they don't need to do dig, but their pockets collectively.

now talk about dna infusion.

my challenge is this to you all: identify few good people around you to support a cause. ask them to create 10 other people in their lives. more than enough.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 20 Oct 2013 03:15

Cartoon via Twitter

Please give it publicity.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 20 Oct 2013 03:16

RoyG wrote:Modi's popularity is steadily increasing. We need to get out of this pessimistic mindset and stop blaming things like the "Feku" campaign. Be optimistic, tell as many people as you can to vote and do your part on social media. This is the final stretch. Modi didn't make it this far to lose.

+100. If you observe the strategy behind 2004 and now (2009 is a bad dream that BJP don't even want as a reference point and there are no learning points from a disaster) what they corrected from the past are the two important things:

(1) there can be differences and fights for power between leaders but the cadre has to work from BJP in unison. That really bring wonders. This is where Modi as a brand succeeded
(2) BJP has seen peaking too early and people forget the momentum by the time election comes. If wave forms too early and dies too then the voters will go back to pure KHAMs, secular, communal stuff. BJP is trying vote on the basis of local pride, emotional unity, youth power and governance. They need to keep sustained these factors.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 20 Oct 2013 03:32

as i said, 2016AD: please revive us, and 2020AD: please provide us asylum should be the scenarios.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 20 Oct 2013 03:46

Watch Cho and Modi's friendship between 14:00 and 15:00 in the video. Modi raises to shake hands with Cho, after Cho's brief address. One hopes Cho has still a hold with Jayalalitha, and that she listens to him at the right time. Cho is clearly a backer of Modi. So he is bound to lessen Jayalalitha's any alleged ambitions of getting the PM post for herself.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 20 Oct 2013 04:36

jayalalitha is playing cat on the compound wall. period/

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 20 Oct 2013 04:39

Rudradev wrote: Now all the hard evidence being in Modi's favour... most notably being re-elected four times in a state where he HAS provided development... isn't enough to convince people. So what exactly deters them? I can only conclude that it is the Feku campaign.

Sanku wrote: With all due respect RD, I have been harping for a very long time about how the politics of India works, and why there is no NaMo wave. This is merely something you have encountered now. I remember you were rather harsh on me in the past on the same topic.

The reason, IMVHO is that you are still making the same mistake as you made last time. The politics in country is rarely presidential. People vote of local leaders and local parties, and their approach is very local + in ideological space, there is massive dhimmification, and congress type mindset due to 60 years of education system creating zombies.

The campaigns that you refer to has almost no consequence, no one cares. The issue are far more deep seated, have a 60 year old history and deal with details at village levels in terms of political choices.

This mistake, you, and most other people who support NaMo make, is to assume that 60 years of history will be swept aside by a man, and over night you will have a US style election. NOT.

That is why NaMo makes all the "sikular" noises, and yet despite all that, and his statement and work, what people will chose to believe and what they will do, and the correlation of those choices to reality, is very different.

Rudradev wrote:
Sanku, with all due respect, not one word I have said goes any distance towards proving you right.

The fact that you consistently misattribute people's support for NaMo to an alleged perception of Indian politics as "US Style Election," only confirms the myopia that continues to cloud your own capacity for analysis. It seems that you still cannot digest the BJP cadre's overwhelming rejection of the grasping old corpse who led the party to two consecutive defeats, and was angling desperately for the chance at a third humiliation in 2014.

In dispensing with the likes of Advani and Sushma Swaraj, NaMo has already changed 60 years of history in terms of Indian political "tradition"... and changed the BJP immeasurably for the better. Name one other state-level leader who has managed to emerge from obscurity and effect such a coup on a national scale, rather than remaining quietly within his own regional satrap's domain. No one in the Congress has been able to do it, and that's the only other national party. Indian politics are never going to be the same after NaMo, regardless of how he performs in 2014.

We need analysis from mid line. Wave or no-wave INC always gets 100+ seats. They never went less than 126 even when there is no leader and when they are completely discredited. What that means is whether it is ABV or Modi or JP or VPSingh, the case is that you will never see a visible sweep against the Congress party. This is the fundamental.

Indira in so called 1977 rout is all that the current INC needs to back in power comfortably. AP,KA, Maha voted for INC in big way.
Rajiv got 191 when VP.Singh swept the polls in North India. AP,KA, Maha voted for INC in big way.
( These are the massive wave elections against congress)
1971 and 1985 elections massive pro-INC waves. The results you all know 2/3 for congress.

Now coming to Modi and wave, the wave is there and the wave is just like the waves of 1977 and 1991. No single projection puts Modi beyond 200 seats including the most exaggerated ones. Then what is the aura of Modi and how it will be different from the past waves:
(1) On the street there will no different from the past anti-INC waves.
(2) The cadres of BJP are now rallied around just one mission to bring Modi to power. This is totally absent in 2009 and was not as enthusiastic even in 2004 inspite of ABV
(3) For the first time after Rajiv Gandhi in India whether people vote for Modi or not there is a pan-India based charismatic leader whose statements are making political waves in the political classes that will translate to voting classes both directly and indirectly.

The system will build slowly and the process will be:
(1) Modi gives both dusty and intellectual speeches
(2) The cadre adored him. The twitterati, googles come to halt. The MSM for commercial reasons will telecast every breath of Modi
(3) Slowly but surely the coalitions in favor of Modi builds
(4) The anti-UPA and pro-Modi wave will kick in to catapult Modi to PM ship

BJP is carefully building the momentum and just watch and have a charminar

. Even the surveys see the momentum, 130, 148 and now 162. In another six months it will be 200+ probably. The puzzle just started. One thing is already sure that is Bihar is going bigtime BJP's way.

disha · Post by **disha** » 20 Oct 2013 05:10

^^ Mupallaji if it happens as you predict - aapke muh mein ghee sakkar (hope you are not diabetic with high cholesterol particularly of LDL kind)

Anyway, this is not time to relax and have charminar. Change should be made., on twitterati, googles, streets, mohallas everywhere. This is time to take your house back from termites and their queen.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 20 Oct 2013 05:38

SC Orders CBI Probe in 14 tapes
http://epaper.asianage.com/PUBLICATIONS ... l?Mode=1SC

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 20 Oct 2013 05:49

corrupt people will vote for even better corrupt politicians.. they are measuring how well their corrupt practices can be protected.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 20 Oct 2013 05:57

I am little surprised that Modi did not raise Ashok Khemka incident at all. Attack Damad/Sonia/CONgis where it hurts. Surprised and disappointed

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 20 Oct 2013 06:03

RoyG wrote:Modi's popularity is steadily increasing. We need to get out of this pessimistic mindset and stop blaming things like the "Feku" campaign. Be optimistic, tell as many people as you can to vote and do your part on social media. This is the final stretch. Modi didn't make it this far to lose.

Golden words!

Bas inhe dimaag mein baitha kar chalna hai........

disha · Post by **disha** » 20 Oct 2013 06:18

vivek.rao wrote:I am little surprised that Modi did not raise Ashok Khemka incident at all. Attack Damad/Sonia/CONgis where it hurts. Surprised and disappointed

Not currently. There are 9 more rallies to go. And the issue is in Haryana. Political party support for any bureaucrat should be taken up with kid gloves - one has to be sure and then more before it can be publicized. And this is best played locally.