Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 24 Oct 2009 03:06

Then those apparent reporting requirments in K-L Bill are for Indian consumption to hope that TSP doesn't strike?

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 24 Oct 2009 03:12

Now Pakistan - Sequential Destruction of Muslim Nations
teaser:

Under coercion, Pakistan has started a civil war that will consume its economy, national security, and tear apart its social fabric. The civil war will spill into many parts of Pakistan. It already has arrived in some parts of Punjab. Militants are unlikely to confine this war to sparsely-populated Waziristan. They are taking the war to the most populated cities, including Peshawar, Rawalpindi, and Lahore. Karachi, which appears to be quiet, is sitting on a tinderbox. Karachi can erupt any minute as its ethnic rivalries are primed for a civil war. It is sheer foolery and a grave analytical mistake to presume that the Pakistani military offensive will provoke no one but only a few misguided militants in the North.

It is not yet too late for Pakistan to return from the precipice of national suicide. Pakistan must take a U-turn and preempt the civil war. Pakistan must say an emphatic no to President Obama who must also carefully weigh the stakes of expanding the WSD to Pakistan. If the NATO forces cannot subdue the militancy in Afghanistan, adding one more military into the battlefield will not solve the problem of occupation and resistance. Furthermore, an internally torn Pakistan does not weaken but empowers militants. Obama advisers must ponder over one thing more: The people of Pakistan, like the people of Iran under the Shah, might rise to oppose the US hegemony over their internal affairs.

The above was written by:
Professor Ali Khan, an editor of MWC News, is a professor of law at Washburn University School of Law in Topeka, Kansas.

A Sharma · Post by **A Sharma** » 24 Oct 2009 05:04

Sorry if posted before
Pakistan's United Colours of Terror

James B · Post by **James B** » 24 Oct 2009 05:11

Iran sends bodies of five ‘blast victims’

(ISI agents???)

According to sources, Iranian authorities suddenly informed the Taftan administration and Pakistani border officials that they had brought the bodies.
‘A letter was handed over to Pakistani border authorities with the bodies,’ the sources said.
However, Pakistani border officials expressed doubt about the claim of Iranian authorities.

A police officer in Taftan, Abid Khan, said the cause of deaths appeared to be torture. ‘I am sure they were not killed in a bomb blast.’

He said blood was oozing from the ears and noses of two bodies. Although only medical examination would determine the cause of death, they appeared to have been tortured, he said.
The bodies were received by an official of the Taftan administration, Syed Zahid Shah. He said four of the men hailed from Yaro, in Pishin district, and from Nawan Killi, near Quetta.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 24 Oct 2009 05:27

A tougher stance

Interior Minister Rehman Malik has come down hard on India. ‘We have solid evidence that not only in Balochistan but India is involved in almost every terrorist activity in Pakistan,’ Mr Malik said on Wednesday. On Balochistan, it is understood that, despite denials by both sides, Pakistan handed over a dossier on Indian activities there at the meeting between the Pakistani and Indian prime ministers in Sharm el Sheikh in July, capping a long series of complaints on the issue by Pakistan. What is notable about the claims of Indian involvement in Balochistan is that the international powers have not downplayed them. .........blah blah blah.......

Be that as it may, we believe that the gist of Mr Malik’s blunt comments on India is correct. Whatever India may or may not be doing inside Pakistan, it is clear that the Indians are still unwilling to move out of the accusation mode. From the prime minister downwards, hardly a few days pass without some statement on ‘Pakistani’ involvement in yet-to-be-committed terrorist acts inside India. Puzzlingly, the Indians appear to be content with issuing public warnings and seem uninterested in sharing intelligence with Pakistan on the planning of such attacks. Surely, whatever doubts the Indian government has about Pakistan’s bona fides as a partner in the fight against terrorism, it has a bigger duty to try and thwart future attacks — and public warnings but no intelligence-sharing seems to run contrary to the fulfilment of that duty.

More generally, the Indian pressure is counterproductive for two reasons. One, Indian cage-rattling is liable to distract the security establishment here just as the Pakistan Army is locked in battle with militant groups. True, India’s concerns are about the Kashmir-centric, anti-Indian militants, whereas the Pakistan Army is focused on fighting the anti-state militants. But consider this: many of the groups the army is fighting today are the same ones it was willing to ‘shield’ only a few years ago. Clearly, then, the Pakistan Army’s security calculations are not inflexible. Second, the problems between India and Pakistan go beyond militancy and involve genuine disputes. Ignoring the latter will not help defeat the former; India must recognise this and re-engage a Pakistani government that has repeatedly expressed its willingness to talk.

Yet another piece of sh!t written to make India look unreasonable.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 24 Oct 2009 05:37

Hari Seldon wrote:
Let us be 400% clear - if anyone gets killed in TSP, the default assumption is that he is a fanatic barbarian terrorist, until there is clear and concrete evidence to the contrary
Make this a sticky...seriously.....

A self-goal. SDRE's shooting themselves in the foot. And it's exactly the sort of thing the pak izlamists, otherwise worried about keeping their flock together, would like to hear from SDRE's.

SDRE's should be concentrating on peeling away Balochis, Sindhis, Pushtuns, Balawaristanis, "Azad" Kashmiris, Shias, Ahmedis, Christian Masihs, disaffected Mohajirs, and even Sunni Pakjabi dissidents.

Why insist on saying a glass is 100% empty when it is actually 50% full?

However, that does not imply any sympathy for the idea of Pakistan. When everybody realized the bankruptcy of communism, there was no way the Soviet Union or the Berlin wall could be sustained. Something similar needs to happen with the idea of Pakistan. No quarter to be given to evil ideologies. No molly-coddling. Call a spade a spade.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 24 Oct 2009 05:55

NYTimes :: Pakistan Air Force Site Is Bombed

Serious stuff:

By JANE PERLEZ

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — A suicide bombing at Pakistan’s premier aeronautical manufacturing complex killed seven people on Friday morning. It was the ninth attack on major government installations this month.

The bomber blew himself up at the checkpoint at the entrance to the complex, 40 miles northwest of Islamabad, as workers arrived for the morning shift, said a district police official, Fakhur Sultan.

Two men guarding the checkpoint and five civilians were killed, Mr. Sultan said. The Pakistan Aeronautical Complex at Kamra is the country’s main air force maintenance and research hub, where engineers and workers build and overhaul fighter jets and radar systems.

The relentless pace of assaults against sensitive and prominent targets in Pakistan comes as the army is conducting a major offensive against militants from the Taliban and Al Qaeda in the remote tribal area of South Waziristan. The attacks are seen as reprisals by the militants.

On Thursday morning, a senior army officer, Brig. Moinuddin Haider, was assassinated by two gunmen who attacked his jeep during rush-hour traffic in Islamabad, the Pakistani capital.

The Taliban had warned before the start of the campaign in South Waziristan that they planned to attack Pakistan’s military assets.

The Taliban attacked the headquarters of the Pakistani Army, in Rawalpindi, in a commando-style raid on Oct. 10. The insurgents took more than 40 civilians and soldiers hostage for 20 hours, and more than 20 people were killed in the siege.

With the military nearing the end of its first week of fighting in South Waziristan, some military reports said Friday that soldiers had captured the strategic town of Tor Ghundai on the southeast axis of the army’s assault path.

Elsewhere, at least 16 people were killed when a minibus hit an anti-tank mine on Friday in the tribal area of Mohmand, bordering Afghanistan, district officials said.

“It was an anti-tank mine, and consider the damage it would have caused to a mini-bus,” a senior official in Mohmand said on condition of anonymity. “There have been few survivors.” Among the dead were four women and two children. Six others were wounded, he added.

He said that the area was under control of militants, and that troops from the government’s paramilitary Frontier Corps had begun an operation to flush them out of the area. “It seems that the militants had planted the mine to stop the advancing forces,” he said.

Six people wounded in the minibus explosion were brought to Peshawar, the capital of North-West Frontier Province, where there was another attack on Friday. Militants set off a car bomb in the parking lot of a banquet hall in Peshawar, wounding 10 people, district officials said.

Ismail Khan contributed reporting from Peshawar, Pakistan.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 24 Oct 2009 06:04

Pakistan must say an emphatic no to President Obama who must also carefully weigh the stakes of expanding the LSD to Pakistan.

There, fixed it.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 24 Oct 2009 07:57

ramana wrote:Nightwatch 10/22/09

The Pakistani Taliban offensive is achieving faster and more sensational headlines than the Army offensive in South Waziristan, where progress is slow.

Very interesting

In fact, progress is not only slow, but bloody as well.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 24 Oct 2009 08:05

Why 'Kary Logar' is not the real issue

As a series of bomb blasts began to occur in Pakistani cities prior to the launch of the army operation in South Waziristan, a demonstration in Karachi by parties that claim religion as their raison d’etre underscored some key conflicts Pakistan faces

Ostensibly railing against proposed changes in the controversial ‘Blasphemy law’, speakers slammed the ‘Kary Logar Bill’ and its supporters such as Punjab Governor Salman Taseer and Pakistan’s ambassador to the United States Husain Haqqani. The speakers supported the armed forces’ stand against the Bill

The traditional nexus between the religious right and the military is no secret. Superficial divisions surfaced after the army, under General Musharraf, took a U-turn on its traditional pro-jihadi stand following the cataclysmic events of 9/11, but the bond remains strong. They share notions about defending Pakistan’s ideological frontiers and the ‘real enemy’ (India), and a distaste for democracy (especially the Pakistan People’s Party).

The demonstration against ‘Kary Logar’ illustrated the irrationality and anti-Americanism that triggered the anti-Bill wave. Speakers accused America of using the Bill (President Obama had not yet signed it into an Act) to amend the ‘Blasphemy law’ — though several Islamic scholars and jurists have recommended a review and even repeal for the sake of justice and humanity, the essence of Islam.

Public sympathy is swinging in the army’s favour but it will take a lot more to weed out elements sympathetic to the Taliban/Al Qaeda from the ranks of those who were until recently handlers for their jihadi partners.

The daring attack and siege of the General Head Quarters (GHQ) rallied opinion around the men in uniform. Confusingly, this includes religious right-wing parties linked to the very forces the army is pitted against (not so confusing when one remembers the generals who termed the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan as true ‘patriots’ after they offered to fight India in the post-Mumbai attack fallout).

These ‘patriots’ are now attacking targets everywhere, ‘hard’ or ‘soft’. Their ideological brethren in other organisations are mounting attacks in neighbouring countries — most recently, Iran and Afghanistan.

Pakistan cannot win it with a half-hearted anti-‘jihadi’ stance that sees fit to use ‘good Taliban’ against ‘bad Taliban’, and unless the ‘establishment’ (army-bureaucracy-intelligence agencies) removes its traditional anti-India blinkers.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 24 Oct 2009 08:32

Extradite 'Rigi', Pakistan told

On Tuesday, Iran’s Intelligence Minister Heider Moslehi blamed the Pakistani intelligence for having links with Rigi’s group.

“We have good evidence and documents ... which show that Abdulmalek Rigi and all his terrorist agents are in contact with Pakistani intelligence system,” Mr. Moslehi was quoted as saying.

archan · Post by **archan** » 24 Oct 2009 08:49

All is not well in Paki occupied Kashmir. Guess the Kashmiris aren't exactly happy with the land of pure momins.
Huge anti-Pak protests in PoK, violence erupts

Kashmiris from all walks of life observed a “Black Day” in Pakistan Kashmir, including capital Muzaffarabad, on the occasion of the 62nd anniversary of the invasion of the area by Pakistani army men disguised as tribesmen from the North West Frontier of Province (NWFP), known as the Lashkars.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 24 Oct 2009 08:58

SSridhar wrote:Extradite 'Rigi', Pakistan told
On Tuesday, Iran’s Intelligence Minister Heider Moslehi blamed the Pakistani intelligence for having links with Rigi’s group.

“We have good evidence and documents ... which show that Abdulmalek Rigi and all his terrorist agents are in contact with Pakistani intelligence system,” Mr. Moslehi was quoted as saying.

But:

Rehman Malik told his Iranian counterpart Mostafa Mohammad Najjar ) that Pakistan had earlier handed over 18 Iranians to Iran including the younger brother of Abdul Malik Rigi, but Rigi is not in Pakistan and he is operating from Afghanistan.

Link

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 24 Oct 2009 09:08

Say TSP announces that they lost a few nukes/dirty bombs. And if India & USA are not able to verify that assertion, how would things pan out?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 24 Oct 2009 09:21

A new day and a new set of targets. What do you think are the targets to be attacked today ? Jacobabad anyone ?

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 24 Oct 2009 09:23

Krachi has been calm lately....

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 24 Oct 2009 09:38

karachi wont be hit until talibunnies are done librating pakhtunistan from paki army. I am sure karachi's day will come too, but just be relax have a popcorn & wait for the climax when whole damn pakistan erupts into multipal volcanoes.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 24 Oct 2009 10:03

SSridhar wrote:A new day and a new set of targets. What do you think are the targets to be attacked today ? Jacobabad anyone ?

May be the momeen take a break during kufr weekend.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 24 Oct 2009 10:28

Our undefined culture

This question hinges on the reality that despite consistent pleas in the name of heritage, Pakistani culture has never really been defined for the generation growing up in the post-Zia era. The economic, social and religious dimensions of this question — whether our culture is defined by religion, economic or social status, or tribal or ethnic identity — still remain open questions that undergird the current controversy.

The question that should be asked, instead, is "Why should culture be defined once again at all ?" In fact, nobody 'defines' a culture first and then 'fits' oneself into that framework. All that Pakistan has to do is simply go back to its roots and the correct culture will be re-instated. The author of this article wants a new set of cultural rules while blaming Zia for the present-day decadence. All that Zia did - banning art, music, dance, drama etc. . .in other words destroying culture - can also be justified then by the author's demands for a new 'definition'.

Should Pakistani culture be defined by those that espouse some middling symbiosis between the puritanical orthodoxy of the pro-Taliban religious right and the hip-hop-loving public affection-indulging habits of the elite? Should it be defined by the feudal elites that send their children abroad or the upstart middle classes that attend elite Pakistani universities? Even more importantly, should we strain to recollect our pre-colonial identity or imbibe the imported culture of Arab world?

Pre-colonial, uh ? The 5000 years of history is just divided by this Pakistani author as just pre-colonial and post-colonial. Pathetic.

The weight of both anti-imperialism and Islamism has engendered a particular orientation that attempts to ape either the West or the Arab world in our quest for authenticity.

She misses the most important point. It is the desire to be 'non-self' where 'self' was Indic that is the root cause. Islamists in Pakistan were not anti-Imperialistic. Those were left behind in India. 'Islamism' itself was propagated to make the population 'non-self'. In this process, culture was destroyed a long time back. Zia only added further destruction and tried to bring in new culture from the 'Land of Sands'.

Implicit in its request for a code of conduct is an urgent cry for a substantive idea of Pakistani culture that goes beyond the hodgepodge responses that leave us speechless before any questioning of its content.

The more urgent request is to examine freely and fearlessly 'the Idea of Pakistan'. The 'Idea of Pakistani Culture' will be automatically fixed when that is done.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 24 Oct 2009 10:36

Target killing of Brig. Moinuddin

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 24 Oct 2009 10:56

A Civil War - Zafar Hilaly

Pakistan has slipped into a civil war without quite realising how it happened and where it will end.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 24 Oct 2009 11:03

Islamism is the culture of Pakistan-one does not need art, books, science, intellect, empathy,sociology. This can be the only legitimate culture of Pakistan. Because it is the ultimate un-India, the negation of the Hindu and thus an affirmation that the great demigod Jinnah was right. For Jinnah they will even marna as demonstrted by this Pakistani suicide in slow motion.

Of course India is fully responsible, it is fundamentally India's fault as its survival and success, modest as it is , makes the Islamic manifest destiny problematic.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 24 Oct 2009 11:08

the unravelling of sultanates and khanates seems to have few very visible departure events from the median, but the graph itself relentlessly moves in one direction. its
like boiling frogs alive in a saucer...the heat increases steadily but all continue to
insist things are fine. suddenly the end comes without much warning.

the level of internal violence in pakistan taken at 2 yr sampling points over the last years since 9/11 will show a marked increment imo.

it still has plenty of ground to cover until its like iraq after OIF when large car bombs
used to ignite on a hourly basis and even respectable middle class urban families were moving around with AK47s trying to protect their streets.

burn baby burn!

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 24 Oct 2009 12:00

Long before the western analysts and talking heads said so,we on BR many months ago warned that Pak was on the brink of civil war,of which the opening shots were fireed in Swat.Now that this viewpoint has become the flavour of the month,the attitude of the Paki army as it goes about its business...of killing,anti-state actors or civilians,is the key to the longevity of the Paki state.If tension in POK is rising and the report posted true,then the Paki army is almost out of control and history about to repeat itself as it did almost 40 years ago in E.Pakistan,with the Paki army slaughtering lakhs of Bengali innocents.The civilians here however are sympathetic to the tribal warrirors,Taliban,call them what you will-the armed independent people of the NWFP who were never tamed by either the British or the Paki state.As the war intensifies,the fault lines will widen as each ethnic group that considers itself more important than the idea of Pakistan,will start to flee the sinking ship by setting up their own independent states.We may ultimately see that only Punjabistan and its military cantonements are all that are left of Jinnah's dream...sorry,nightmare,which now afflicts every Paki .

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 08415.html

Pakistan army 'punishes civilians'
Amnesty International accuses troops of harassing families fleeing fighting

By Andrew Buncombe in Islamabad
Saturday, 24 October 2009

Civilians trying to flee the conflict zone in South Waziristan may be suffering collective punishment at the hands of the Pakistan army, and some have been banned from major roads, a human rights group has claimed.

Amnesty International said civilian members of the Mehsud tribe, trying to leave the region in rag-tag convoys often travelling on the backs of donkeys, were being unfairly harassed by troops suspicious that militants may be hiding among the refugees.

"Mehsud tribespeople, including women and children, are being punished on the roads as they flee simply because they belong to the wrong tribe," said Sam Zarifi, Amnesty's Asia-Pacific director. "This could amount to collective punishment, which is absolutely prohibited under international law."

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In Pakistan, the wave of violence that prefaced the army's invasion of the Taliban stronghold continued, more than a week after the troops moved in. A suicide bomber killed eight people at a major air force complex yesterday and many more were wounded in an attack outside a restaurant in the city of Peshawar. In a third incident, up to 17 people travelling to a wedding were killed when their bus struck a landmine.

In the ninth attack on major government targets in the past three weeks, a lone bomber on a bicycle detonated a device at a checkpoint on a road leading to the air base at Kamra, 30 miles from Islamabad. The dead included two soldiers, and more than a dozen people were wounded. Fakhar Sultan Raja, the local police chief told the Associated Press: "The attacker wanted to go inside. He exploded himself when officials wanted to search his body."

Several hours later, in the north-west city of Peshawar, a suicide bomber attacked a complex that includes a restaurant and wedding halls. No one was killed but at least a dozen people were injured, some seriously. Hours later, a bus in the Mohmand tribal region was torn apart, apparently after it drove over a landmine. At least four women and three children were among the 17 people killed, said an official.

Pakistani troops continue to push into South Waziristan in pursuit of Taliban and al-Qa'ida fighters. Militants had warned that they would respond to any operation against them by attacking official targets, but the violence of the past three weeks – attacks included strikes on the army headquarters, UN offices and crowded markets – has unnerved many Pakistanis. This, presumably, is what the militants wish.

What is striking about the slew of attacks is the breadth of targets being struck. The base at Kamra had been identified as a complex where planes designed to carry nuclear warheads are kept, although the military has strongly denied that the base has any such function.

The army's operation in South Waziristan is targeting an estimated 10,000 Taliban previously loyal to the slain militant commander Baitullah Mehsud, along with about 1,000 al- Qa'ida fighters, mainly from Central Asia. The military has imposed a news blackout in the area and prevented journalists from reaching the front line.

But first-hand reports from Amnesty suggest there is considerable harassment of civilians as they try to leave South Waziristan. One member of the Mehsud tribe who spoke to an Amnesty representative outside the town of Tank said he was travelling as part of a group of five families who were trying to leave the area on donkeys but were unable to reach the homes of relatives because of fear of the army.

"We are not allowed to use the roads; the army does not allow any Mehsud to come to the road and use it," he said. "When we left our homes we took some food which we used the first two days and after that we had nothing at all and whatever was left we gave to the children. We drank only tea and water."

derkonig · Post by **derkonig** » 24 Oct 2009 13:44

Iran sends bodies of five ‘blast victims’

(ISI agents???)

....The bodies were received by an official of the Taftan administration, Syed Zahid Shah....

AoA, truly TFTA.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 24 Oct 2009 14:02

14 Killed in Bird Attack in Damadola

Fourteeen terrorist have been killed and many hurt in US drone attack in Damadoola area in Bajaur Agency, Geo News quoted sources as saying.Foreigners are also included among the deceased. The sources feared more causalities as many injured reported in a critical condition.

2 hurt in Karachi blast

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 24 Oct 2009 14:31

Taliban putting up a tough fight in S. Waziristan - Washington Post

Pakistan's offensive in the Taliban stronghold of South Waziristan has met with significant resistance from insurgents, who have retaken one large town, targeted military vehicles with roadside bombs and held off the army's attack helicopters with antiaircraft fire, U.S. military analysts said Friday.

The heavy fighting has slowed the advance of an estimated 36,000 to 40,000 Pakistani troops into the heart of the contested tribal region bordering Afghanistan, according to a detailed briefing on the week-old ground operation by researchers at the American Enterprise Institute (AEI), a Washington think tank. Meanwhile, the report said, insurgents continue to coordinate suicide bombings and assassinations outside Waziristan.

The operation's success remains uncertain, given that government forces have not yet taken key towns such as Makeen and Kotkai, according to Kagan and AEI researchers Reza Jan and Charlie Szrom, who prepared the briefing.

"Makeen is probably going to be their hardest fight," Kagan said, noting that several government troops have been killed or injured in rocket attacks in the vicinity.

Last Saturday, Pakistani troops' advance toward Kotkai was slowed by the large numbers of roadside bombs, which killed at least one soldier. The soldiers surrounded Kotkai and destroyed the houses of some key insurgent leaders there, but the Taliban launched a counteroffensive and retook Kotkai on Tuesday morning, according to the briefing.

The Pakistani force conducting the Waziristan operation comprises about 30,000 soldiers from the 7th Infantry Division and 9th Infantry Division of the army's XI Corps, based in Peshawar, and 10,000 members of the Frontier Corps, which operates in western tribal areas, as well as 500 Special Services Group commandos and two army aviation squadrons, according to the briefing.

A vital question, Kagan said, is whether the Pakistani forces will be able to hold areas after an estimated six- to eight-week campaign to clear out insurgents.

arun · Post by **arun** » 24 Oct 2009 15:32

Amber G. wrote: ................ But:

Rehman Malik told his Iranian counterpart Mostafa Mohammad Najjar ) that Pakistan had earlier handed over 18 Iranians to Iran including the younger brother of Abdul Malik Rigi, but Rigi is not in Pakistan and he is operating from Afghanistan.
Link

The Iranian media is reporting that the Pakistani’s have been called out for lying

by Afghanistan :

Afghanistan rejects Pakistan remarks over Rigi

Fri, 23 Oct 2009 08:53:00 GMT

Afghan Foreign Ministry spokesperson, Ahmad Zahir Faqiri, has rejected claims that Jundallah leader Abdulmalek Rigi was in Afghanistan.

Faqiri made the remark in reply to Pakistan's Interior Minister Rehman Malik's earlier claims that Rigi was in Afghanistan.

"Malik's remarks that Rigi is in Afghanistan is completely baseless," the Afghan spokesperson said on Friday.

"We support Iranian officials viewpoint that Jundallah's masterminds are in Pakistan," he added.

"Terrorist groups' key hubs are outside Afghanistan," he further explained.

On Thursday, Pakistan's Interior Minister said that Rigi was in Afghanistan.

"We can even point out his exact location in Afghanistan," Malik said. .........................

Press TV, Iran

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 24 Oct 2009 16:04

Redefining culture....the porki way
In case you are wondering, this letter has to do with the latest ban on kissing.

Not part of our culture

Saturday, October 24, 2009
I am amazed that so many people support public displays of affection. I am a religious Pakistani woman with a modern outlook on life . I do not believe in women covering their faces, however, I do believe that they should cover their hair. I would just like to tell Shakir Lakhani (Oct 21) that the average Pakistani is not a Talib who is 'disturbed whenever he sees a woman without a burqa'. No one is and no one should be against a man kissing his wife but the display of this act in public is not part of our culture.

Najia Abbas

Islamabad

I am glad the public display of suicide implosions is still part of the pooki "kulchar - vulchar"! The good motorma does not dispute that enduring feature of pooki culture. By the way, is this below public display ok?

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 24 Oct 2009 16:15

Amber G. wrote:
Rehman Malik told his Iranian counterpart Mostafa Mohammad Najjar ) that Pakistan had earlier handed over 18 Iranians to Iran including the younger brother of Abdul Malik Rigi, but Rigi is not in Pakistan and he is operating from Afghanistan.
Link

Osama is not in pakistan
Mullah Omar is not in pakistan
Dawood Ibrahim is not in pakistan
Mazood Azhar is not in pakistan
Quetta shura is not in pakistan
Regi is not in Pakistan
Only mischievous jinns live in pakistan.

R Vaidya · Post by **R Vaidya** » 24 Oct 2009 16:28

As the civil war intensifies by feb- march large number of refugees _ may be in millions- will flood India through Rajasthan, Punjab and [email protected] trapped population between jihadi PA and Taliban cannot rush into Afgan or Iran.
What is our plan to deal with it. Unlike in the case of Bangladesh 1971 the refugees may have jihadis also.
It will be a challenge and we need to plan for the situation.
Refugee problem is no more an if issue it is a when issue.
Does KL provide funds for externally displaced persons?
R vaidya

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 24 Oct 2009 16:33

UN refugee camps in Liberated Baluchistan and Free Sindh

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 24 Oct 2009 16:52

Avinash R wrote: Osama is not in pakistan
Mullah Omar is not in pakistan
Dawood Ibrahim is not in pakistan
Mazood Azhar is not in pakistan

The hon'ble minister is quite right when he states the obvious that none of these characters are in Pa'astan. Now, one should carefully analyze what constitutes the territory of that esteemed land in today's date where the state's laws can be enforced? Maybe within five miles diameter of the garrisoned GHQ? Maybe not even that. So, in effect, he is not lying.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 24 Oct 2009 18:22

Pakistanis are funny

Qureshi said the money given under the Bill would be aid not a debt . . .{as though that is a very honourable thing. Debt at last is obtained with an intention of returning though Pakistan begs for waiver all the time and gets it too. But, aid is outright alms}

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 24 Oct 2009 21:04

Gagan wrote:Only in Pakistan. The Jamaat is not going to take the kerry-lugar bill lying down.
JI’s referendum on Kerry-Lugar bill begins
ISLAMABAD: The referendum organized by Jamaat-i-Islami on Kerry-Lugar bill has begun countrywide.

More than 5,000 polling stations have been set up across the country and 45 million ballots have been printed for the referendum.

JI’s secretary-general Liaquat Baloch would act as the chief referendum commissioner and provincial heads of the party as provincial commissioners. Districts, tehsils and union councils-level office-bearers of the party will supervise the voting process. JI Amir Syed Munawar Hasan will cast his vote in Lahore.
It is also possible to cast a vote online. The site is here. Perhaps you have to register to cast your valuable vote.

JI must be spending american funds to carry this poll

sum · Post by **sum** » 24 Oct 2009 22:11

Comment in rediff on a article on Pakis fighting Talib miscreants:

Mind one thing !!!!!!
by Fahad Haider on Oct 24, 2009 08:44 PM | Hide replies

If we lose..India will also lose...
Those Taliban if spread in your country, you will fail to realize that from where the suicide bombing starts and where it ends....Its very easy to say that our army do this, do that, but when someone has to face then you see the reality..

Its better to pray........to have a peace in both regions.

Talibans are:
35 % arabs
20% uzabakistan
40% afghani.......
This is the official statistics of it..according to US report, who gave them money arabs??...

In the world no one dares to think about attacking UAE...and saudia...

Love the BS which all and sundry Pakis sprout when their mush is being spanked by someone. The same $%@^# would have been having parties in his house whenever kufr India was attacked all these years..

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 24 Oct 2009 22:43

sum wrote:Comment in rediff on a article on Pakis fighting Talib miscreants:

Mind one thing !!!!!!
by Fahad Haider on Oct 24, 2009 08:44 PM | Hide replies

If we lose..India will also lose...
Those Taliban if spread in your country, you will fail to realize that from where the suicide bombing starts and where it ends....Its very easy to say that our army do this, do that, but when someone has to face then you see the reality..

Its better to pray........to have a peace in both regions.

Talibans are:
35 % arabs
20% uzabakistan[/b]
40% afghani.......
This is the official statistics of it..according to US report, who gave them money arabs??...

In the world no one dares to think about attacking UAE...and saudia...

Love the BS which all and sundry Pakis sprout when their mush is being spanked by someone. The same $%@^# would have been having parties in his house whenever kufr India was attacked all these years..

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 24 Oct 2009 23:07

India is obviously expressing concern like everyone else is but the Pakiness in exposed in the response:

India should stop opportunistic propaganda: Pakistan

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 24 Oct 2009 23:10

A week old, apologies if posted earlier.

But more worryingly for intelligence analysts is the fact that an increasing number of jihadi masterminds are coming from Pakistan’s armed forces, which commentators till recently described a mostly liberal and professional. ((( )))

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 121492.cms

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 24 Oct 2009 23:42

SSridhar wrote:Our undefined culture
This question hinges on the reality that despite consistent pleas in the name of heritage, Pakistani culture has never really been defined for the generation growing up in the post-Zia era. The economic, social and religious dimensions of this question — whether our culture is defined by religion, economic or social status, or tribal or ethnic identity — still remain open questions that undergird the current controversy.
The question that should be asked, instead, is "Why should culture be defined once again at all ?"

Ha...ha...maybe lurked in BRF and read our Core ideas and descriptions thread