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From Deccan Chronicle

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Lt. Gen. S.K. Sinha

Ghulam Nabi Fai, an American citizen of Indian origin, has hit the headlines in the US, India and Pakistan. He was arrested in the US for taking millions of dollars from the ISI to propagate the Pakistan case on Kashmir through high-profile seminars and also influencing US Senators and Congressmen. He had been at this for nearly two decades and is currently under house arrest.

As expected, Pakistan has supported him, saying that being a Kashmiri he had every right to support the Kashmir cause. The CIA must have been fully aware of his activities but had turned a Nelson’s eye to them for the sake of good relations with Pakistan, a long and trusted ally. Things have changed in the post-Osama phase and there is now a freeze in relations between the two allies. Moreover, with increasing demand for action against a duplicitous ally, US authorities have now chosen to take action against Mr Fai.

Indian intelligence agencies could not have been unaware of Mr Fai’s shenanigans over such a long period. They would have even known what transpired at his high-profile seminars for so many years. It has been the practice of our government, on the plea of freedom of speech, to allow Kashmiri separatists to openly express treasonable and anti-India views not only in Delhi, Kolkata and Chandigarh but also in Washington, London and Brussels. This only shows pusillanimity and abject appeasement. Eminent selected citizens from our country, chosen deliberately from the majority community, were invited by Mr Fai to his seminars on Kashmir in the US, to lend them respectability.

Executive-class air travel, five-star accommodation and other facilities were generously provided. Some of them may have projected the Indian viewpoint at the seminars but it appears that they were not reflected in the resolutions passed at the seminars. The one-timers going to Mr Fai’s seminars were taken for a ride but that cannot be said of those who went repeatedly — a senior journalist from Jammu is reported to have gone 17 times and has been writing prolifically against India’s stand on Kashmir while the Indian government has remained blissfully inactive. Prudence demanded that eminent Indians going to these seminars should have been circumspect.

It would not be out of place for me, in all humility, to mention how I responded to foreign invitations after resigning from the Army in 1983. I had launched a movement for restoring Patna’s glorious name of Pataliputra and was surprised to receive an invitation from Paul Berenger, then Leader of the Opposition in Mauritius, to visit the island as his guest. His proposal was to name a city on the island Pataliputra and twin it with Patna. Mauritius has a very large Bihari population and he obviously wanted to draw political mileage. I was tempted to accept. Apart from a junket to a holiday destination, it would have boosted a project dear to me. Notwithstanding this, I wrote to the ministry of external affairs seeking advice. They replied that our government had very cordial relations with the then Prime Minister Anerood Jugnauth and it would be inadvisable for me to go there as a guest of the Opposition leader. So I declined the invitation.

The second occasion was when I was on holiday in the US in 1994 and was invited to speak on India’s Kashmir policy by the Rand Corporation, a partly US government-funded leading security think tank. I held no official position at that time. Yet, as Kashmir was a sensitive issue, I sought the advice of Siddhartha Shankar Ray, then our ambassador in the US, whom I had known from before. He told me this was the first time they had invited an Indian to speak on Kashmir and that I must go there to put across the Indian viewpoint. I enquired if the embassy would like me to project any particular line. He laughed and said that I knew things better and should bat on my own. I went and addressed an audience of some 200 scholars from the US and Nato countries. During the question-answer session, I was asked a tricky question by an American.

He said that irrespective of the merits of India’s stand on Kashmir, the fact was that there was widespread violence in Kashmir and the people wanted to break away from India. Being a democracy, India must respect popular will. My reply was that fundamental values are more important than the game of numbers in a democracy. Abraham Lincoln opposed slavery and believed in the liberty of the individual. Despite the will of the people of the southern states, he fought the American Civil War to uphold that basic value and the integrity of the Union. More Americans were killed in that war than the combined total of casualties suffered by them in the First World War, the Second World War, Korea and Vietnam. Similarly, we in India believe in secularism and cannot afford to compromise on that fundamental issue. We could not sacrifice the interests of over 100 million Muslims in India for the sake of five million Kashmiri Muslims. I sent a synopsis of my talk to our embassy for record. Mr Ray told me I had given the embassy a good debating point in what I spoke about Abraham Lincoln.

We must be very careful while accepting invitations to speak in foreign countries as it may affect our national interests. The Indian government needs to be more vigilant and prevent separatists from pursuing their anti-national agenda in foreign countries. Apart from being reactive, we must be pro-active in projecting our national viewpoint. No doubt we must strive to have a peaceful solution in Jammu and Kashmir, but that cannot be Valley-centric, ignoring the rest of the state.

The majority of the population of the state, comprising non-Muslims and other Muslims like Gujjars, Bakherwals and Kargil Shias, does not want any truck with the separatists. Even among the Kashmiri Muslims, there is a sizeable section which does not support them. As per a Mori opinion poll conducted in 2002 by a British NGO under the patronage of Lord Auckland, a known protagonist of Pakistan, 61 per cent Kashmiris want to remain in India, six per cent want to join Pakistan and 33 per cent are undecided. In 2007, the European Union Parliament endorsed Baroness Emma Nicholson’s fact-finding report by 400 against nine votes, despite desperate efforts by Pakistan. It strongly castigated lack of democracy in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir and was appreciative of democracy in Indian-administered Kashmir. These facts are little known within our country, leave alone internationally. Pakistan relentlessly conducts high-decibel propaganda against India, even using the likes of Ghulam Nabi Fai, while we seem to have chosen to remain mute.

* The author, a retired lieutenant-general, was Vice-Chief of Army Staff and has served as governor of Assam and Jammu and Kashmir.
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>>From post above
>>In case the armed paramilitary forces are deducted from the existing police strength it would appear that India has one policeman for nearly 5000 people. How can effective policing be performed with this kind of civil police strength? The country needs nearly over 3 million additional civil police for appropriate policing. In a burgeoning economy internal stability and law and order play an important role. This cardinal factor is overlooked by the central and state governments. Expenditure on policing is intricately related to steady growth.

The issue with such a deduction of numbers as premised above is it is premised, on western models of governance and value systems. The number of police personnel needed to protect a community is intrinsically tied to the value system of a society along with socio-economic factors and governance structures.

The question to ask here is, what is the role of the police as it relates to a local community? What is the accountability of this office to the local electorate? Remember your police commissioner is appointed by the state CM and all IPS officers are subject to whims of the home ministry.

Is it the job of my local police station to hunt for either cross border terrorists, develop intelligence on the matter and prosecute these cases, which are usually across state and international borders. In most cases not and this is exactly where the fledgling NIA comes in.

Clubbing the policing issue with terrorism clouds the matter unnecessarily. What is needed though is an effective set of laws to deal with crimes that cannot be dealt by local police alone. Such as crimes that cross state lines, wire fraud, crimes where certain expertise is required, crimes on federal property, etc.

The NIA is a very narrow and weak attempt as such a structure for terrorism related crimes. What I find funny is that we simply do not have a set of rules as a nation to deal with crimes that transcend state borders. While the courts can direct the CBI to take over an investigation! I mean, do we even have a government that knows its powers, uses them and a legislature that responds to the laws needed by a free India today?

I am a big proponent of local accountability for the Police, which is sorely lacking. I mean, in a small town, I should be able to threaten the Police chief with a pay cut, if he does not perform. In a metropolis, such actions can be controlled through the chief executive, who is unfortunately "appointed" with only an indirect local accountability through a half empowered local legislature.
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^^^^Looks like another scam.Didn't they even approve the stuff before buying? I mean definitely the wrong people seem to be taking decisions.
Purchased at Rs. 3.29 billion, the single biggest item on the post-26/11 bill, the patrol boats form the cutting-edge of the marine police reforms: such was the need that the deliveries were “compressed by six months,” says the Home Ministry's annual report.

Police officers assigned to the boats described them as a floating hell —unequipped with the basic amenities needed for extended patrolling. Each has a cabin enclosed on three sides, and this means the crew must suffer unbearable heat. There are no canopies outside either, to protect the crew on watch from the rain and the sun, nor bunks for them to rest on. The drinking water tanks routinely run dry on the five-tonne boats, crew say. Incredibly, no toilets have been fitted.
If the drinking water supply runs out, without water no need to pee, hence no toilets in the boat :rotfl:and anyway there is the ocean just stand facing it, look around to check if no cameras........
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India’s new Internet rules criticized
By Rama Lakshmi, Published: August 1

NEW DELHI — New Internet rules that seek to enhance national security and limit offensive content have sparked an angry debate about free speech in the world’s largest democracy.

The regulations prohibit Web sites and service providers from hosting information that could be regarded as “harmful,” “blasphemous” or “insulting” to any other nation, among other things. Providers are expected to remove such content within 36 hours of being notified of a complaint, and search engines, Web sites and cyber cafes can be held liable for objectionable material.

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Internet cafes are required to install surveillance cameras and demand identification from customers . At cyber cafes across India, people surf the Web next to large signs warning that they are being monitored.

But under the new rules, cafes will also have to keep a record of each user’s browsing activity and submit those records to the government every month.

Investigators have found vital clues to bombings in e-mails accessed at cyber cafes, and authorities say tighter rules could help them with their inquiries. After attacks in Mumbai last month, police closed several small cyber cafes in nearby villages that were operating without a license.

“We definitely want cyber cafes to be governed by unified rules for the interest of the national security and maintain the customer details,” said Amrita Choudhury, director of the Cyber Cafe Association of India. “However, that would be a lot of data for a cyber cafe owner to handle. We would urge the government to create a secure central repository. We would not want the data to fall into the wrong hands.”

Internet activists say that such stringent regulations will be difficult to implement. The objective, Abraham said, “appears to be to scare citizens into self-censorship.”

In recent months, anti-corruption crusaders have used the Internet to mobilize tens of thousands of people across India to protest a series of graft scandals engulfing the government. Analysts say the new rules would probably stifle this growing online resistance.

“The sharpest and most vocal criticism of the Indian government and the political leadership has emerged from the Internet,” said Rajeev Chandrasekhar, an independent lawmaker who is mobilizing opposition to the regulations. “But now a sword hangs over these people who blog and debate freely. This is not good for a country that has a predominantly young population, expanding middle class and is turning more urban.”


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This is actually good. Because blasts will happen anyway - as the ruling eminences have already pronounced - that it is impossible to entirely prevent such terror activities in an "open society". All these clues miraculously appear in emails and traces onlee after the blasts.

So a central repository for all the user data would be even better for the political masters. What a gift for political surveillance - the main task of the intelligence agencies anyway - it seems, especially protecting dynastic and congrez interests onlee.

But the reason this is good is because over time - the upcoming generations will realize that all these controls are aimed at controlling political dissent that is seen to be damaging to the entrenched commercial-foreign-political ruling interests. It has not much to do with protecting ordinary citizens lives - especially when and where "terror" is from favoured religious affiliations. So in the end, the rashtra simply exposes one more facet of its current character.
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Bji, Do you know why the Tudors created the Master of Posts aka Postal Service?

Same reason as above. To be able to monitor foreign mail to Europe.
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Henry and his daughter at least invested into an aggressive navy and used it for territorial expansion. What are these guys doing!
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These guys also want to monitor the modern mail ie the internet.

however we need to keep things in prespective.

Police states will be police states with or without latest technology. Its far from certain that India will ever be a police state as its civil service is not aligned to control the public to that extent. The closest India was to a police state was during the Emergency. And after it was lifted the people threw out the perpetrators for imposing the Emergecny and its draconian measures.
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Beautiful and Damned, or Just Dazed and Confused?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... lenews_wsj

A new book's cartoonish view of development mars a keen portrait of India today
In "The Beautiful and the Damned," Siddhartha Deb, a New York-based writer, stakes out the glass-half-empty position by reporting on lives that embody some of the profound changes underway. In five essays loosely stitched together, Mr. Deb encounters, among others, a fly-by-night business-school operator in Delhi and a software engineer in Bangalore, impoverished peasants and factory workers in Andhra Pradesh, and a waitress at one of Delhi's upscale new restaurants. Walk-on parts go to environmental activists and job-seeking clerks, cell phone thieves and Communist organizers, state-level bureaucrats and factory security guards.
The picture that emerges is not pretty. Mr. Deb's India is a joyless place, throbbing with greed and awash in exploitation. Or, as he puts it, the new India is "all about gated communities," a land where "the poor have seen either little or no improvement at all."The real strength of this book lies in its honest portrayal of India's grittier realities. Mr. Deb doesn't allow the drumbeat of national pride that has accompanied India's rise to obscure the fact that in essential ways it remains a land of filthy public toilets and poorly made buildings, a country that launches satellites into space but shows only the flimsiest familiarity with basic carpentry or plumbing. Many Indians prefer to gloss over this half-made quality about the country, and Mr. Deb deserves credit for not allowing his readers easy escape.

Thus Indian engineers in the US are "safe people" unlikely to "raise difficult questions about race or inequality," and a Bangalore meditation group is dismissed as "unwilling to look too deep into questions of justice and inequality." Mr. Deb also accuses Indian elites more broadly, and with scant evidence, of having "embraced free-market economics and a hardened Hindu chauvinism." In a similar vein, the book beats out a weird tattoo of criticism aimed at, among others, the consulting firm McKinsey, the Rand Corporation, and unnamed "Western right wing columnists
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X-post...

Tavleen Singh : The enemies within
A TELEVISION show may seem like an odd place to make a profound political discovery but this is what happened to me last week. I agreed to appear on Nidhi Razdan’s show, left, right and centre, in which she discusses the hot topics of the day. She invites journalists, political analysts and politicians to express themselves on subjects she considers important on that day.

So on Monday of last week she decided that the two most compelling subjects were the corruption charges that currently surround the chief minister of Karnataka and, more puzzlingly, the lessons India can learn from the massacre in Norway. Her guests in the NDTV studio in Delhi included Nirmala Sitaraman, the Bharatiya Janata Party’s spokeswoman, Shoma Chaudhury, editor of Tehelka and a British journalist of bleeding hearted liberal disposition. I was in a studio in Mumbai listening to the discussion on an earphone and participating when Nidhi gave me the chance to intervene.

Swamp of corruption
On the swamp of corruption that the Karnataka chief minister finds himself mired in, there was general agreement that if the BJP did not ask him to resign its campaign against corruption in the central government would fall apart. Nirmala assured everyone that if the Lokayukta’s report on illegal mining personally indicted the chief minister he would be ordered to resign. It was when we got to the second topic of the day that I found myself horrified by the discussion that went on in the NDTV studio in Delhi. Nidhi led it by saying that Anders Behring Breivik represented right wing terrorism and that this was something we needed to deal with in India as well. By this she meant Hindutva terrorism and within minutes she had everyone, including the spokesperson of the BJP, agreeing that all terrorism was bad and that it should not be linked to any religion.

Shoma of Tehelka then went into a passionate dirge about ‘innocent’ Muslim boys rotting in Indian jails and about how only when it came to jihadi acts of violence was an act of terror linked to religion. The consensus among Nidhi’s panelists was that Hindutva terrorism was more of a threat to India than Islamist terrorism with the British journalist pointed out that someone as clever and informed as Rahul Gandhi had informed the American ambassador,
as reported by Wikileaks, that he was more worried about majority communalism in India than about any threats from across the border.

In vain did I try pointing out that the reason why jihadi terrorism was linked to Islam was because it was the terrorists who called themselves holy warriors for Islam. In vain did I try reminding my fellow panelists that the jihadi groups committing acts of violence in India were created by the ISI and that this meant that they had the might of the Pakistani army behind them. Nidhi’s panelists, led by the very verbose Shoma, were convinced that ‘saffron’ terror as it has come to be known was the biggest threat to India. While listening to them I realized, more than ever before, that India’s biggest enemies are Indian opinion makers and our leftist intellectuals.


To compare Hindutva terrorism with jihadi terrorism is to diminish Pakistan’s undeclared war against India that is being fought by the jihadi groups it created with the specific purpose of destroying India. Even before David Headley confirmed it, Indian intelligence services have known that the 10 killers who came to Mumbai on November 26, 2008 were mere pawns in a game played by powerful men sitting in Pakistan. On cellphones they guided every move the 10 terrorists made right down to when they should eat and drink and when they should resign themselves to martyrdom. Before the last terrorist, Fahadullah, died in the Oberoi Hotel his master in Islamabad told him to tell the Indian media that what happened on 26/11 was only a trailer and that they should be prepared to see the full movie soon. Even the Pakistani government has found it hard to deny that the Pakistani army has been responsible for creating groups like Lashkar-e-Tayyaba and Hizb-ul-Mujahideen. And, there is evidence that it was the ISI that helped create indigenous jihadi groups like the Indian Mujahideen.

In the cause of the jihad against India these groups have killed hundreds of innocent Indians in temples, bazaars, hotels and even hospitals. Does this compare with the two or three terrorist incidents we have seen that involved Hindu terrorists?

Yet, not only do our leftist intellectuals make this comparison but so do important politicians. The Home Minister said last week that he thought the BJP was targeting him in the 2G spectrum scam only because he was investigating acts of terrorism that involved leading members of the RSS.
As for Rahul Gandhi’s mentor, Digvijay Singh, he has hinted on more than one occasion that he believes that it was the RSS who organized the attack on Mumbai. He went so far, not long ago, to go on a book tour with an author who wrote a book called 26/11: an RSS plot.

Ultimate achievement

The ultimate achievement of these Indian spokesmen of jihadi terrorism is that most Pakistanis that I have met express serious doubts about whether Pakistanis were in fact involved in the Mumbai attack. I have spoken to Pakistani taxi drivers in Dubai who have said they believe that 26/11 was the work of Indian intelligence agencies and I have spoken to educated Pakistanis who share this view. To strengthen their case they invariably quote Indian politicians or Indian journalists.

Tehelka is possibly more popular in Pakistan than it is in India and why should it not be since its major claim to fame was a sting operation (more entrapment than sting) that put defence purchases by India’s armed forces on hold for more than five years. It routinely promotes the cause of jihadis and Maoists and nearly always has something bad to say about anything that has the word Hindu in it. After I appeared on Nidhi’s show I received a small floodgate of tweets from twitterers who had seen the show asking if I knew where Tehelka got its funding from. I do not and nor do I care to speculate but what I will say is that most of Tehelka’s investigative journalism seems designed to prove that India is as failed a state as Pakistan and that Indian democracy is mostly a sham. It is a viewpoint that is beginning to get on my last nerve
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India has perfected a new missile. Its called a babu. It doesn't work and can't be fired.
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Any perspective on the bizarre tale of Mainos surgery. There is no patient by her name at the hospital
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^^^Obviously it wont be, she would register with some other name!
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Prem wrote:Beautiful and Damned, or Just Dazed and Confused?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... lenews_wsj

A new book's cartoonish view of development mars a keen portrait of India today
In "The Beautiful and the Damned," Siddhartha Deb, a New York-based writer, stakes out the glass-half-empty position by reporting on lives that embody some of the profound changes underway. In five essays loosely stitched together, Mr. Deb encounters, among others, a fly-by-night business-school operator in Delhi and a software engineer in Bangalore, impoverished peasants and factory workers in Andhra Pradesh, and a waitress at one of Delhi's upscale new restaurants. Walk-on parts go to environmental activists and job-seeking clerks, cell phone thieves and Communist organizers, state-level bureaucrats and factory security guards.
The picture that emerges is not pretty. Mr. Deb's India is a joyless place, throbbing with greed and awash in exploitation. Or, as he puts it, the new India is "all about gated communities," a land where "the poor have seen either little or no improvement at all."The real strength of this book lies in its honest portrayal of India's grittier realities. Mr. Deb doesn't allow the drumbeat of national pride that has accompanied India's rise to obscure the fact that in essential ways it remains a land of filthy public toilets and poorly made buildings, a country that launches satellites into space but shows only the flimsiest familiarity with basic carpentry or plumbing. Many Indians prefer to gloss over this half-made quality about the country, and Mr. Deb deserves credit for not allowing his readers easy escape.

Thus Indian engineers in the US are "safe people" unlikely to "raise difficult questions about race or inequality," and a Bangalore meditation group is dismissed as "unwilling to look too deep into questions of justice and inequality." Mr. Deb also accuses Indian elites more broadly, and with scant evidence, of having "embraced free-market economics and a hardened Hindu chauvinism." In a similar vein, the book beats out a weird tattoo of criticism aimed at, among others, the consulting firm McKinsey, the Rand Corporation, and unnamed "Western right wing columnists
On a sidenote, the first chapter of the book profiles the great thinker, philosopher, teacher, writer, management guru Arindam Choudhury, who's taken the author, the publisher of the book, and the publisher of his magazine article on him, and Google India (for spreading the article!) to court for maligning his image. Basically the book to be released in India will be without the first chapter from the original book because the joker got the courts to remove it.
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Perhaps seen on these pages before, but Sheldon Pollock writes of India forgetting its own literature:
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/mesaas/facul ... assics.pdf (PDF file)
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http://news.scotsman.com/world/Sonia-Ga ... 6813808.jp
Sonia Gandhi's ill health sees spotlight fall on Rahul succession
He's being entrusted with a very important responsibility to keep the wheel turning. It's an expansion of his purview," said political analyst Mahesh Rangarajan. "One day, he will be prime minister, but this is basically continuity, a signal of continuity to the party."After Sonia Gandhi guided the Congress Party to victory national elections in 2004, she nominated the elderly economist Manmohan Singh as prime minister rather than face down criticism that an Italian-born home-maker could not take that post.Since then, she has largely run the country from behind the scenes, winning re-election in 2009.

• Rahul Gandhi: A son of dynastic politics
The mother-of-two and wife of former prime minister Rajiv Gandhi, assassinated by a suicide bomber in 1991, was once derided as a "foreign doll" who spurned the political spotlight after his death.In government, she dictated strategy rather than micro-managing, pushing key policies like a food security bill to give subsidised grains to millions of poor families.Rahul will now take these reins just as a raucous parliament debates key land reforms and battles claims it turned a blind eye to a huge telecoms licensing scandal that has already seen a minister quit.
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Nation forgets its martyrs
India Today’s web edition, which has a story on the brutality, says “It is suspected that militants killed the jawans from the 20 Kumaon Regiment, beheaded the duo and reportedly retained their heads as war trophies.” Unfortunately, the Army has chosen to maintain a strange silence. According to officials who spoke to India Today, this is because confirmation of the slaughter would ‘demoralise’ the soldiers on duty. But that’s balderdash: Jawans are not known to take the killing of their fellow jawans lightly, nor do they suffer loss of morale. If anything, it hardens their resolve and strengthens their belief that the enemy must be fought tooth and nail, till the last man standing. The capture and subsequent horrific torture of Lt Saurabh Kalia and five jawans whose mutilated, unrecognisable bodies were returned by the Pakistani Army did not weaken the resolve of our men in uniform during the Kargil war. While media is to be blamed for not sniffing out the story and splashing it (although it spared no effort to sniff out that Ms Khar was indeed carrying a Birkin handbag and that it could cost up to Rs 17 lakh and then went on to inform us why those who carry this bag are to be taken seriously) we must not overlook the role of our effete political leadership in keeping such details of Pakistani perfidy under wraps. It would not be unfair to presume that Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, desperate to go down in history as the friend of a country that torments India, took personal interest in ensuring the story did not surface in the public domain; it would have remained a secret had an intrepid reporter of India Today not put it out.

On Kargil Diwas I tweeted about Saurabh Kalia. There were numerous tweets in response, asking me who was Saurabh Kalia. Those asking this question were young Indians, well-educated and from middle-class families. A nation forgets its martyrs when it is led by those who hold martyrs in contempt and are elected to office by those who are bowled over by Birkin handbags, Roberto Cavalli sunglasses, Jimmy Choo shoes and South Sea pearls — namely, our selfish, self-serving middle-classes.
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http://dailypioneer.com/359064/Beheaded ... hurry.html

Beheaded jawans cremated in a hurry
August 07, 2011 1:22:34 AM

Srinagar/Dehradun/ Haldwani

Reporters: Khursheed Wani/Sunil Kumar/ Rajendra Markuna

Militants didn’t mutilate, says Army; doesn’t let families see bodies

Two badly mutilated bodies of soldiers have raised passion in the rank and file of the Army against heavily-armed infiltrators who have increased frequency of attempts to sneak into the Kashmir valley to perpetuate acts of violence.

The Army says that the bodies were mutilated in a fierce gunfight in Farkian Gali sector of Kupwara on July 30. But some reports claim that the infiltrators caught hold of the soldiers of the Kumaon Regiment, beheaded them and took away their heads as war trophies before badly mutilating the bodies. The infiltrator group hasn’t been identified so far, sources maintained.

The family members of Hawaldar Jaipal Singh Adhikari and Lance Naik Devender Singh, whose headless bodies were sent to their native places, were not allowed to see the mutilated bodies.

Though Jaipal Singh Adhikari’s family members were inconsolable when his completely wrapped body was brought here by the Army, none knew that there was more to the version handed out to them — that Adhikari was killed in a grenade blast.

With the information of militants having beheaded two Army jawans in Kupwara region, where Adhikari was posted, trickling in, questions are being asked if Adhikari was one of them. Thirty six-year-old Adhikari was a native of Asgola village, Dwarahat in Almora. He joined the Army in 1994. Jaipal’s family including his wife Beena and two children had recently shifted to Himmatpur, Talla, Haldwani. He was about to join his family in August.

Pushpesh Tripathi, MLA from Dwarahat, who was present during the cremation, told The Pioneer that the ‘body’ which was brought in the casket did not even have limbs.

“Army authorities told the martyr’s father about the unfortunate death and took his permission for token cremation, which was done with full State honours,” said Tripathi.

The defence spokesman claimed that four infiltrators were also shot down while they tried to escape into Pakistan, their bodies were spotted on the other side of LoC but they could not be retrieved by the Army.

“The entire group of infiltrators has been pushed back and their bid foiled,” the spokesman claimed. However, sources said the infiltrators had enough time to catch hold of the soldiers and mutilate their bodies.

Defence spokesman Lt Col Jagmohan Singh Brar conceded that the bodies were badly mutilated but denied the claim that they were beheaded and heads taken away as war trophies by the militants.

“There was a fierce gun-battle at the LoC in which two soldiers died on the spot while another critically injured soldier, who was evacuated to 92 Base Hospital, succumbed later,” he said. “When a soldier receives a full burst of fire from an automatic weapon, everyone knows what happens to the body,” he said, explaining the gory state of the bodies.

Brar said that the frequency of infiltration bids had increased during past two weeks as infiltrators were making efforts to enter the Valley before the onset of winter season. Defence sources said July and August are the choicest months for infiltrators to redouble their efforts to infiltrate as the mountain passes have least or zero accumulation of snow.

Army says that it is fully geared up to face the challenge of infiltration. Earlier this week, Army Chief Gen VK Singh along-with Northern Commander Lt Gen Parnaik and Chinar Corps Commander Lt Gen Syed Atta Hasnain visited forward posts to check preparedness to block the ingress of heavily-armed militants.

Sources said the Army has launched a massive combing operation along the Line of Control in the twin border districts of Kupwara and Baramulla following reports of fresh infiltration bids by militants in smaller groups. Sources said around 50 infiltrators sneaked in during past two weeks and the Army is trying to engage and eliminate them in areas closer to the LoC.

The latest two infiltration bids were made on August 5 but the Army foiled them at the cost of death of a jawan in Kupwara. During the two weeks, amid enhanced frequency of infiltration attempts, four infiltrators and five soldiers including a junior officer were killed.

Relatives and other locals joined the Adhikari family in mourning the death of the Uttarakhand native as did military personnel, representatives from the local administrative and social activists.

Bruised martyrdom

Some reports claim that infiltrators caught hold of two soldiers of the Kumaon Regiment, beheaded them and took away their heads as war trophies before badly mutilating the bodies.

Army says the bodies were mutilated in a fierce gunfight in Farkian Gali sector of Kupwara on July 30.

Defence spokesman claims that four infiltrators were also shot down while they tried to escape into Pakistan; their bodies were spotted on the other side of the LoC but they could not be retrieved by the Army.

Dwarahat MLA Pushpesh Tripathi, who was present during the cremation, told The Pioneer that the ‘body’ which was brought in the casket did not even have limbs.
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 509785.cms

Great article in Times of India. I loved one quote by Brijesh Mishra
" Overseas, people praise our democracy and turn around and do business with China".
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog ... ed-picture
I am thinking of using bribe money to put to use with credit rating agencies.. why not lower all firang nations and chinese ones on par with desi ratings? bribe those guys. :twisted: :lol:
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Deven Sharma - The Jharkhand boy who downgraded US

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 523556.cms
MUMBAI: About four months after MS Dhoni's boys won the Cricket World Cup for India, another man from Jharkhand has now shook up the world. On August 5, Standard & Poor's, led by Jharkhand-born Deven Sharma, struck off the 'AAA' rating of the US, considered the Gold standard in the world of finance, for the first time since 1914. On that Friday afternoon, S&P officials told Barak Obama's treasury department that the ratings major's analysts have come to a decision that the US no longer deserves to be among the best rated countries in the world. After six hours and a flurry of emails, phone calls and conferences between top officials in the Obama administration and Sharma's team of number-crunchers, the world got to know of the unprecedented move - something that was in the air for a few months but which appeared more like a distant possibility: The US' country rating was downgraded one notch to 'AA-plus'. And suddenly the 57-year old Sharma was in the spotlight, hailed by a select few, but criticized by several in the financial world.
Born in 1955, Sharma was educated in Jamshedpur and Ranchi, and then moved to the US for his masters degree at Wisconsin and his doctoral degree in management from Ohio in 1987. During his initial years, he was in the manufacturing sector, working with Dresser Industries and Anderson Strathclyde. In 1988, he joined Booz, Allen & Hamilton, a global management consulting firm, where he spent 14 years. In 2002, he joined The McGraw-Hill Cos, the parent of S&P. Sharma took over as the president of S&P in August 2007, just when the sub-prime crisis in the US housing sector was getting out of hand, and credit rating agencies were picked as one of the perpetrators of the meltdown for their flawed ratings models of housing loans. Over the last four years as the head of one of the foremost rating agencies in the world, Sharma has faced several US Congressional grillings, but has negotiated most of those with much elan, people who have followed him closely say. In a recent interview, Sharma admitted that over the last four years, comments made by US lawmakers have changed to appreciation from strong criticism.
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Jana Gana Mana - an explanation by Mr P L Deshpande



no doubt, Vande Mataram should be our anthom.
but before criticising Jana Gana Mana, we should be aware of this also.
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courtasy: V N Godbole London

Jana Gana Mana - an explanation by Mr P L Deshpande

Above text is found on page No.229 of Khand (volume) 8 of Bharatiya Sanskrutikosh.
in Marathi by Mahadevshastri Joshi

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Below is P L Deshpande's letter published in
Maharashtra Times on 16 May 1980.

Jana Gana Mana - an explanation by Mr P L Deshpande
In the issue of 3 May 1980 of Maharashtra Times of Mumbai I read a letter by Mr Bal Jere. He states that Ravindranath Tagore definitely composed the famous song Jana Gana Mana to welcome King George V. In support of his argument he refers to the issues of contemporary Anglo-Indian papers like the Statesman and the Englishman.
[ Note - The term Anglo Indian does NOT mean people of mixed race. It means British people in India. The papers run by them were called the Anglo-Indian Press, whereas papers run by Indians were called the Native opinion] Reuter, the famous English news-agency had also reported in a similar fashion.
However, the report of the annual session of the Indian National Congress of December 1911 does not say that Jana Gana Mana, which Mr Jere supposes to have been composed for welcoming King George V, was sung at its session for that purpose. The news item is like this -
On the first day of 28th annual session of the Congress, proceedings started after singing Vande Mataram. On the second day the work began after singing a patriotic song by Babu Ravindranath Tagore. Messages from well wishers were then read and a resolution was passed expressing loyalty to King George V. Afterwards the song composed for welcoming King George V and Queen Mary was sung. Thus there is clear distinction between the song composed by Tagore and the one composed by some one else for welcoming King George V and Queen Mary.

Now let us turn to the issue of Amritbazar Patrika dated 28 December 1911. It reported, "The proceedings of the Congress party session started with a prayer in Bengali to praise God (song of benediction) . This was followed by a resolution expressing loyalty to King George V. Then another song was sung welcoming King George V.

On 28 December The Bengalee (paper of Surendranath Banerjee) reported, "The annual session of Congress began by singing a song composed by the great Bengali poet Babu Ravindranath Tagore. Then a resolution expressing loyalty to King George V was passed. A song paying a heartfelt homage to King George V was then sung by a group of boys and girls."

Thus it is quite clear that in the official record of the Congress Party as well as in the newspapers run by Indians, that the song composed by Ravindranath Tagore was a patriotic song, and that the song that was sung afterwards welcoming King George V was NOT Jana Gana Mana. The Anglo-Indian papers did not know the difference between the two songs and therefore created a wrong impression.

Just one month after the annual session of Congress, i.e. in January 1912 Jana Gana Mana was published in the Tatvabodhini Patrika of Adi-brahmosamaj under the title Bharata Bhagya Vidhata, alternative title of the song is Brahmasangeet. The central theme, expressed by the phrase 'Bharat Bhagya-Vidhata' refers to the Avatar - descent of God - appearing in every age to destroy the evil and to protect the righteous. This is made clear in the third verse of the song.-

Patan abhyudaya bandhure pantha, yugayuga dhavit yatri
Tum chirasarathi tava rathachakray mukharita path dinaratri
Daruna viplava majay tava shankhadhwani bajay Sankata dhukha trata
Jana gana partha parichayaka jaya hay
Bharata bhagya vidhata

The phrase Chirasarathi (charioteer) clearly refers to the god Krishna in the Bhagvat-Gita, who is the 'Eternal Charioteer guiding the pilgrims who experience highs and lows as they travel along life's path. The poet says, "In my dire difficulty the sound of your conch reassures me." The blowing of a conch at the start of any religious ceremony and before a 'just war' (dharma-yuddha) is an ancient Indian / Hindu tradition. It gives us inspiration. In Bengal, even today, a conch is sounded at the beginning of an auspicious ritual (mangal karya). Those who are familiar with Hindu philosophy would know that the song celebrates the victory of the 'Eternal Charioteer' the god Krishna. The pro-British Anglo-Indian press, through ignorance, assumed the song to be a welcoming song for the King Emperor. In those days, during its annual sessions, the Congress invariably passed a resolution expressing loyalty to the British Crown. Moreover, in December 1911 King George V and his Queen were already in India (Delhi Darbar was held on 12 December 1911). So the reporters of the Anglo-Indian papers got mixed up, put two and two together and assumed that the song 'Jana Gana mana' was composed by Tagore to welcome the Emperor. But the British administrators in India were fully aware that Tagore did not support British Imperialism.

Just one month after Jana Gana Mana was sung at the Congress session, Director of Public Instructions (as it was called in those days. We would now call him Director of Education) for East Bengal issued a secret circular. Somehow it was discovered by the paper Bengalee and they published it in their issue of 26 January 1919. The circular had banned Government servants from sending their children to Shantiniketan. It also warned that if children remained in Shantiniketan, it will affect the service of those parents. After this threat many government servants withdrew their children from Shantiniketan, which was seriously affected by this Government circular.

Mr Prabodhachandra Sen says, "If Ravindranath had sunk so low that he would praise the British King Emperor, there was no need for such a government directive." Any one who has studied the life of Ravindranath knows that right from the start the British Authorities in India viewed his school Shantiniketan with suspicion.

We find the concept of Bharata Bhagya Vidhata in Tagore's novel Gora, one year before the song was composed. Towards the end of this novel, Gora the hero of the novel says to Pareshbabau, '.. only you possess the liberation mantra, that is why you have not gained any position of authority in any sect. Consider me your child and give me the mantra honouring a deity, respected by all sects (Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Brahmo and all others). The door to that deity's shrine will never be closed to people of any community, or person at any time. That deity is not just of Hindus but of all the people in this land, Bharatavarsha.

The glorification of the deity of all India is central to the idea of 'Bharata-bhagya- vidhata' in the song 'Jana-Gana-Mana. ' Tagore has repeated that idea many times in his prose and poetry. One of his poems begins with the lines :-
Desha desha nanadita kari mandrita tava bheri
Ashilo jo to veera vrinda asana tava gheri.
[Your war drums and trumpets respond in all parts of India, blessing the brave who surround your throne.]
That poem, honouring the Supreme Deity, also used to be sung at the Congress Sessions.
The Poet says further
Jana gana patha tava
Jayaratha chakramukhara aaji
Spandita kari dig
Diganta uthilo shankha aaji

Meaning "The path followed by countless humans, today, reverberates by the sound of your chariot's wheels. Make all directions vibrate by the sound of your conch."

Thus, even before composing the song Jana Gana Mana, Tagore had been invoking the great God for arousing the masses and making them aware of their heritage and raising our self-respect. Ravindra Nath's mind had been nurtured through the study of the Upanishadas, and because of it, he was obviously attracted by the idea of God's Avatar on earth for the destruction of the evil.

Mr Jere refers to the paper Statesman which in December 1911 describes the song - Jana Gana Mana as a welcoming song for the King Emperor and in 1917 the same paper described it as 'a national (patriotic) song' while referring to the annual session of Congress in that year. How can the song serve two widely different purposes? Moreover in 1917 the Congress passed from being controlled by Moderates into the hands of Militants. At the annual session of Congress in 1917 Deshbandhu Chittaranjan Daas drew attention to this song and said, " It is a song for glory and victory of India." How can a great patriot from Bengal, like Daas who was an erudite scholar say that the song sung to welcome King George V was also a song for glory and victory of India? That is absurd.

Now let us see what Ravindranath himself has said about the reason behind composing Jana Gana Mana. For a number of years, a rumour was spreading that Tagore composed Jana Gana Mana to welcome King George V at the request of a high ranking government officer. On 10 November 1937 Tagore wrote a letter to Mr Pulin Bihari Sen about the controversy. That letter in Bengali can be found in Tagore's biography Ravindrajivani, volume II page 339 by Prabhatkumar Mukherjee. Ravindranath says, " I was stunned to hear of the request by a high ranking government officer. I was furious. In the song Jana Gana Mana I have praised the God Bharat Bhagya Vidhata who is the constant charioteer of travellers through the ages, he who guides through all the difficult circumstances, he who is born in many ages. He can never be King George V or VI or any other George. That truth dawned on my 'Loyal friend', because however strong his loyalty to the foreign rulers was, he was not devoid of intelligence. I also did not compose this song especially for the Congress."

Again in his letter of 19 March 1939 he writes, " I should only insult myself if I cared to answer those who consider me capable of such unbounded stupidity as to sing in praise of George the Fourth or George the Fifth as the Eternal Charioteer leading the pilgrims on their journey through countless ages of the timeless history of mankind.
(Purvasa, Phalgun, 1354, p738.)
Mr Jere is not therefore correct in saying that Ravindranath never gave any explanation. I accept Tagore's explanation as the spirit behind this song. During our freedom struggle, outstanding patriots from Bengal like Chittaranjan Daas and Subhashchandra Bose, had praised this song (Jana Gana Mana) as Patriotic and National. Thousands had sung it for gaining inspiration during our freedom struggle. Whatever has been written by those who did not like Tagore, must be discarded. Just as we must discard remarks about Shivaji by merchants of East India Company or Muslim chroniclers. In their opinion Shivaji was nothing but a bandit and was worth sending to hell. How can we rely on anti-Tagore Anglo-Indian papers or the likes of 'Shanivarer Chithi'? Mr Jere relies on the book Indian National Anthem edited by Mr Prabodhachandra Sen and published by Vishvabharati, which quotes Statesman and Shanivarer Chithi. But the same book also contains the references that I have quoted. Why did not Mr Jere consider those? The book also contains remarks by Tagore.

I want to say something in passing. Vande Mataram by Bakimchandra was also a favourite song of Ravindranath. In December 1896 Congress held its annual session in Calcutta. On the very first day Tagore selected a tune for this song and sang it. He called it an inspiring song, before the session started to deal with various matters. From this day onwards Vande Mataram used to be sung at annual sessions of the Congress. After setting it to music Tagore sang that song to Bakimchandra. We find this information in Anandbazar Patrika (5 Ashwin Vangashaka 1344).

Which one should be our national anthem? Vande Mataram or Jana Gana Mana? That is a separate issue. I consider both to be superb patriotic songs. But to denounce Jana Gana Mana without realising the meaning behind it and to say that it was composed to welcome King George V is insulting to Tagore. It is demeaning to the noble concept of the Charioteer through all the ages. We must study the full meaning behind that song and treat it with respect and without preconceptions.

I have written this letter to dispel misunderstanding of Mr Jere as well as your readers. Hence the long letter.

P L Deshpande Maharashtra Times
16 May 1980

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A note by Dr V S Godbole of Bedford, England, who collected all the details about this song.

Mr Bal Jere was a trusted lieutenant of Veer Savarkar and had signed Savarkar's Will as a witness in 1964.

P L Deshpande, a humorist from Maharashtra was a blind follower of Gandhi and Nehru. His article on Jana Gana Mana is dated 16 May 1980. Whereas Mr Hemant Kanitkar is a Chitpavan Brahmin from the same province of Maharashtra, whose family suffered terribly by the anti-Brahmin riots in the Bombay province after the assassination of Gandhi on 31 January 1948. Kanitkar came to England and became a teacher. He gave his translation of Jana Gana Mana in May 2007 to Dr Godbole, some 27 years later after P L Deshpande's article. And yet the translations of both writers are same.

We also need to bear in mind that during the Delhi Darbar of December 1911, King George V had to openly declare that the partition of Bengal was annulled. The constant public agitation of eight years had born fruit. It was therefore natural for the Moderate leaders of the Indian National Congress to rejoice and welcome the King Emperor.

Readers should also refer to Bhagvat-Gita, chapter four- stanzas 7 and 8
Yada yada he dharmasya, glanirbhavati Bharat
Abhyuthanam adharmasya, tadamananm srujamyaham ||7 ||

Oh Arjuna, whenever the righteousness (Dharma) is in decline and evil spirit (Adharma) is spreading, I am born on the Earth (Avatar)

Paritranadaya sadhunam, Vinashaya cha dhushkrutam
Dharmasanthapanarth aya sambhavami yuge yuge || 8||

For defending and protecting the righteous people and for destruction of the devils
I am born in various ages for re-establishing Dharma.

This is the concept of Bharat Bhagya Vidhata in Tagore's poem.

I hope these two translations will dispel the darkness of ignorance spread by many Indians in the 21st century.

Readers will now ask - what was the song sung at Delhi Darbar to welcome King George V?
Here is the Bengali text and its English meaning .

And who composed the song ? It was composed by one Jatindra Mohan Tagore (J.M.T)
Who was he? He was Ravindranath Tagore's grandfather' s brother's grandson

" And finally Tagore's own interpretation in his handwriting. "

Where can you find it ?
The history of the song is narrated by Rabindra Kumar Dasgupta
in his book 'Our National Anthem',
published in 1993 by Manjula Bose,
Tagore Research Institute,
97C S.P.Mukherji Road,
Kalighat Park,
Calcutta - 700026.
See page 53.

In fact translations of all the five verses in French made by
H. P. Morris and included in A. Bake's 'Twenty Six Songs of Rabindranath Tagore'
(Paris, 1935), in German, by Helmut Von Glasenapp and included in
'Die National hymnen dey erde' (Munich, 1958),
in Italian by Rabiouddin Ahmed and included in
'Centenario Di Tagore' (Rome, 1962) have been reproduced in Dasgupta's book.

We are grateful to Dr P C Deshmukh of Chennai for providing the above information.
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The Little Revolution
THE LITTLE REVOLUTION
- In 1991, other things happened besides the budget speech
WRITING ON THE WALL - ASHOK V. DESAI


It was on July 24, 1991 that Manmohan Singh made his first budget speech, which is generally taken as heralding the economic reforms. He said that he missed the handsome, smiling face of Rajiv Gandhi, who had been murdered just weeks before. According to him, international confidence in India, which was high just two years before, had waned because of political instability, fiscal imbalances and the Gulf crisis. He told Parliament that the country was at the edge of a crisis: the foreign exchange crisis made growth unsustainable, and the double-digit inflation hit the poor most. Fiscal deficit was 8 per cent of gross domestic product; a fifth of the government’s revenue went to pay interest, and a fifth of foreign exchange earnings went to pay interest on the foreign debt. Exchange reserves were enough to finance imports for a fortnight at most. The rupee had been devalued twice on July 1 and 3, but more needed to be done. After paying tribute to Jawaharlal Nehru, Indira Gandhi and Rajiv Gandhi and stressing his commitment to growth with a human face, he announced what today are termed the reforms of 1991.

Foremost amongst them was relaxation of the controls on foreign investment — it would be allowed up to 51 per cent in companies that could cover the foreign exchange cost, and a board would be set up to consider other cases. Sick government enterprises would be referred to the Board for Industrial and Financial Reconstruction, and 20 per cent of equity in profitable ones would be sold to private investors. Government banks and financial institutions (there were no private ones) would be allowed to set their own interest rates. Control of the stock market would be transferred from the finance ministry to an independent regulator. A chief commissioner for non-resident Indians would be appointed to make the system more friendly to them. The Bureau of Industrial Costs and Prices would be renamed the Tariff Commission.

Then came some heartfelt passages about how much he cared for the poor, how he hated consumerism, and how much he admired austerity. He continues to repeat these sentiments whenever he gets a chance, so they would sound familiar. After which he went back to the business of the budget. Sugar subsidy would be cut slightly, but food subsidies would go up. The prices of petrol, aviation spirit and liquefied petroleum gas would be raised by 20 per cent, the price of diesel would be raised by 10 per cent, and — remember the poor — the price of kerosene would be reduced by 10 per cent. Fertilizer prices would be raised by 40 per cent, and prices of minor fertilizers would be decontrolled. But farmers should not worry; procurement prices would be raised, and more money would be provided to write off bank loans to them.

Then came the usual increases in money for pro-poor programmes, after which the finance minister announced five new initiatives: a new commission for the welfare of backward classes, a national renewal fund meant to be a social safety net for anyone who may lose his job, a national foundation for communal harmony to help children of families affected by communal riots, a programme to fund young people going and working in other regions of India, and a programme to send 500 Indian experts to other developing countries every year. Apart from backward classes, all other promises were forgotten almost as soon as they were given.

Anyone reading this speech is likely to ask: the budget did a good job of reducing the fiscal deficit, but just what reforms did it announce? Foreign companies would be allowed to invest up to 51 per cent under restricted conditions; but would they be impressed or care? BICP would be renamed: so what? Oil prices would be raised: but they continue to be under government control to this day. Prices of some fertilizers would be decontrolled; but the major nitrogenous fertilizers continue to be under price control till today. So the finance minister of 1991 promised no substantial reforms, and delivered only a little bit of what he promised. How is it, then, that he came to be celebrated as the great reformer?

The answer lies partly in what he had done earlier in the month — devaluation of the rupee and abolition of export subsidies — but that was an obvious, unavoidable response to the payments crisis, a measure that even the most diehard, socialist minister could not have avoided. The other part of the answer lies in what two other ministers did. The first was the import-export policy of July 4, 1991 — just 13 points, the shortest import-export policy ever — followed by the policy of March 1992. With these two policy statements, P. Chidambaram abolished import licensing on raw materials, industrial inputs and capital goods. I would call that a revolution. The office of the chief commissioner of imports and exports was the most corrupt at that time; it had shops in every city in India, and the hundreds of bureaucrat shopkeepers who manned it collected cash by the bucket. Chidambaram wrote the policy himself, and published it without any inputs from the CCIE or from the directorate general of technical development, whose babus made equally good money by approving capital goods imports. They were so incensed with Chidambaram that they went across Raj Path to attack him. Luckily he was not in the office; they damaged his nameplate and left. I have had many subsequent occasions to criticize Chidambaram for his measures as finance minister; but the single act of import licence abolition is enough to atone for all his subsequent errors.

The other is the statement of industrial policy of July 24, 1991, which largely abolished industrial licensing. This was the handiwork of Rakesh Mohan; he could do it because P.V. Narasimha Rao, the then prime minister, was also industry minister; he was not in debt to industrial vested interests. It was this policy that unleashed competition in Indian industry, enabled it to face foreign competition, and eventually led it to spread out across the world.

Those were the reforms as I recall them. But lest I give the impression that the finance ministry (of which I was a minor cog) did nothing, let me stress that it did “rationalize” taxes considerably, and reduced them when Manmohan Singh felt he could afford the fiscal cost. True, he generally thought he could not; the radical reductions in customs duties and income taxes had to wait till the advent of the Bharatiya Janata Party. But the desire was always there. Those who bewail the condition of the poor may think that the prime minister talks too much about the poor and does too little; maybe some would think that he talked much about reforms and did little. But this impression is largely due to his deliberate style. He knows he is in charge of an enormous country and must not put it at risk. So he thinks long and deeply before he takes any step. But there should be no doubt that if he had a magic computer which told him exactly what effect a policy measure would have, he would be far more active.

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http://news.mongabay.com/2011/0808-hanc ... anand.html
Balancing agriculture and rainforest biodiversity in India’s Western Ghats
"The Western Ghats are home to more than 1,000 vertebrate species and nearly 5,000 angiosperms [flowering plants] including many that are endemic to the region. What also makes the Western Ghats a crucial conservation region is the fact that it harbors large, contiguous populations of charismatic megafauna such as tigers, Asian elephants and gaur (a large wild cattle)," the researchers explained to mongabay.com in an interview. "Endemism [species found no-where else] is particularly high among amphibian, reptile and plant groups, and these groups contain perhaps the most threatened species. Point endemism (species known to occur in just one location) is particularly common among amphibians.
The key, according to the researchers, is to think outside the box by looking towards alternate conservation models that complement the existing network of protected areas. Conserving the unprotected forests that serve as rest-stops in human-modified landscapes for the rainforest's many moving parts, and pushing for a return to the long standing tradition of biodiversity-friendly agriculture are the most important tasks in the Western Ghats.
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Famous Macacca of USA Senator lore
The majestic lion-tailed macaque (Macaca silenus) is the symbol of the Western Ghats. Endemic to the region

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http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?277931

OUTLOOK INDIA.COM

AUGUST 15, 2011

Here, There Be Dinosaurs... Cataracts, Warts And All

India’s rise is stunted by a hegemony of outmoded thought and indecision

K. Shankar Bajpai

United States secretary of state Hillary Clinton’s call for India to show greater leadership in world affairs is one more reminder of our tragedy. Just when the world starts to think of us as the major power we’ve always fancied ourselves to be, we have made ourselves increasingly unfit to take on the role. Our methods of attending to our affairs lead the other way: at best, stagnation as a backwater, or more probable, a deep ocean of trouble. We just cannot carry on like this. The immediate cause of this sorry state of affairs is the decay in governance, with our instruments of state action turning increasingly dysfunctional. But the government is the people: those in government or politics, whichever we wish to blame, are of our own creation. Ultimately, it is the way we all think and act that decides outcomes. Let alone taking leadership on the world stage, India is not even churning out far-sighted thinking on internal problems.

The reasons behind this are too complex for a detailed analysis here, but the one crucial failing is that the thinking, or considerations, that we bring to bear on any issue obstruct, instead of facilitate, decisions. Tangents, digressions, irrelevancies, non-sequiturs, the half-digested leavings of yesterday’s half-baked intellectuals, all compounded by unbridled emotionalism—the anarchic tendencies we seem to revel in are in full spate in our decision-making paradigm. Add the one constant consideration—“what’s in it for me or mine?”—and you’re assured of a bad result or none at all.

The illustrations of our condition are endless. A common feature emerges though: decisions are not taken, or taken for the wrong reasons, and then, only poorly implemented. The spectre of Maoism looms larger because of this. Perhaps the worst hit is our defence-preparedness. Delays in procurement are endemic; more worrisome, and wholly ignored, are the deteriorating civil-military relations. Many leaders are aware of this, but are stultified by the most petty of politics.

What goes virtually unnoticed is that we lack a shared frame of reference (FoR)—that “set of ideas, beliefs, assumptions and standards in terms of which other ideas are interpreted and assigned meanings that determine perceptions and reactions”, and enable constructive discussion and practical outcomes. People everywhere differ profoundly over issues, individual lines of approach being conditioned by training and experience. A soldier’s “set of ideas and beliefs” is quite different from a doctor’s, a professor’s from a street-sweeper’s. But elsewhere, those who must work collectively develop a broadly common sense of what they are dealing with and what kind of answer is needed. Without thinking the same thing, they think in the same terms. In India, apart from our well-known solipsism (immature egoism?), there are such tremendous divergences in the ways we are formed that a mutually comprehensible FoR between, say, a legislator, a businessman and a strategic analyst hardly exists. Even within cabinets, ministers approach issues with little in common by way of background or understanding—and publicly air differences. (Once, when the question of how to deal with Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal was raised, two members solemnly urged we all return to Gandhian society, where nuclear weapons would not exist!). What is at stake in our relations with a particular country means nothing to most of them.

We must learn to recognise the extent and implications of our strategic frontiers. The first head of our foreign service emphasised that they were the concentric circles passing through the Hindukush and the Irrawady, Aden and Singapore, Suez and Shanghai. Within the first circle, Af-Pak is an enlargement of our congenital problem with Pakistan, undoubtedly our biggest headache and our biggest source of confusion. That, and our other long-festering and long-neglected South Asian challenges aside, our wider priorities currently include Gulf security, Central Asian stability, the changing power equations to our East (of which the global consequences of China’s ascension is a vital, but separate issue), and several interests in the Indian Ocean. In which of these are we intellectually, much less militarily, equipped to do anything? How many in Delhi, leave alone Lucknow or Bangalore, are even interested, if not informed?




What passes for our worldview was born of a world that has long since ceased to exist. The cold war era mindset against the USA stymies any greater engagement.



The overriding aim of all policy is to protect and enhance your way of life on your territory. The worst dangers are domestic—aggravated, if not created, by lack of thinking—but externally, the two states (India and Pakistan/China) have both the capacity and—in their view—justification for hostility to the ‘other’ way of life and/or territory. This does not necessarily mean that they will go to war, but it would be a criminal neglect of India’s interests to not develop contingency plans for disagreement erupting in conflict. It is literally an existential necessity for us to realise that, if that scenario was to ever come to pass, no state would come to our assistance: we would stand alone. The contingency is best pre-empted by making yourself so strong as to deter mischief. Several states are willing to help you make yourself strong—doubtless for profit but some also for common interests. We need to get them to be of use to us, something we cannot hope to achieve with our lordly illusions of dictating terms.

How can we safeguard our territory and security? How to develop influence within our strategic frontiers? Our two great priorities do not even figure into our thinking. Nor does the realisation that, until we are able to do more on our own, we must develop partnerships, or at least ad-hoc collaborations—not, obviously, with any one country. Ask our average neta or buddhijeevi, and you will be told non-alignment is still our shield or India and China are brothers and that we’ve nothing to worry about or people-to-people relations with Pakistan will make us friends. Some see salvation in new groupings: brics (Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa), or just ric. The height of sophistication is proclaiming that we must preserve our strategic autonomy, our intellectual’s variant of the politician’s favourite euphemism for avoiding decisions: “Keep all options open.”

The one option we still shy away from is America. It may no longer be treason to think of cooperating with it, but the old mindset against the arch-villain has remained extraordinarily tenacious. America cannot be our sole, or even primary, focus. But as the only power capable of influencing the course of events, for better or worse, wherever it chooses, it surely merits a greater degree of thoughtful—and skilful—handling. And of course America is no angel: what we refuse to understand is that no state is, not even us. Nor should we aspire to be. Notions of having friends in international affairs only betray naivete. States may have friendly relations, their agents may develop personal friendships, but even close allies will be as manipulative, opportunistic and unreliable as worst enemies. We will have major differences with America. But then that is the way the world works. And like it or not, it just so happens that America’s worldview now sees a strong India as an international asset (which itself must arouse our suspicions). It is also the only power willing and able to work towards the same objectives as us in the four strategic areas mentioned above. It will naturally work to its own advantage—as we should to ours. Common objectives never preclude conflicts over how to reach them: stability in the Gulf, for example, involves disagreements on Iran’s role. But should we therefore neglect exploring avenues for cooperation? If you cannot attain your vital objectives on your own, you must hold hands even with the devil.

What passes for our worldview was formed of a world that has long ceased to exist, but still the view persists. In particular, the Marxian FoR, which provided a readymade substitute to thinking for ourselves, has been abandoned by all the original Marxist states but still grips and paralyses us. It does not enter the minds of those most responsible for shaping our destinies that developing our strengths is of utmost priority or that strength is not just economic or military—the greatest asset is to be seen as knowing what you are doing and just as efficient in doing it. Instead, we keep broadcasting our sloppiness, indecisiveness, glaring lack of statecraft, and of course a brand of corruption that does not even deliver.

“Strategic autonomy” is meaningless if you can’t produce the bulk of your military requirements. We import 70 per cent of them, including nearly everything needed for the “teeth”. Thirty years and we are still to get our own light combat aircraft operational. Our medium gun, the famous Bofors, began slipping into obsolesence a decade ago. We can’t choose a replacement: the ghost of that affair frightens everyone, press and politicians bay for blood, nobody takes decisions. Decisiveness and delivery, understanding power and knowing how to use it—just mentioning these elements of statecraft underlines our lacking of them.

An eminent statesman, when asked about China and India, pointed out the key difference: “China is a closed society, but with open minds and an eagerness to learn about the world. India is an open society, but with closed minds and a know-it-all attitude.” If we can change, as people do, it will take decades. One interim possibility must be attempted. We still have people who know what is needed—and there’s no basic difference on this between our main political parties. If these could agree to eschew petty politics on just a few national challenges, especially national security, India could be a leader despite its defects.

(K. Shankar Bajpai is a former diplomat, and has previously served as India’s ambassador to Pakistan, China and the US. He is presently the chairman of the National Security Advisory Board)
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"It is literally an existential necessity for us to realise that, if that scenario was to ever come to pass, no state would come to our assistance: we would stand alone. The contingency is best pre-empted by making yourself so strong as to deter mischief. Several states are willing to help you make yourself strong—doubtless for profit but some also for common interests. We need to get them to be of use to us, something we cannot hope to achieve with our lordly illusions of dictating terms."

" If you cannot attain your vital objectives on your own, you must hold hands even with the devil."

"One interim possibility must be attempted. We still have people who know what is needed—and there’s no basic difference on this between our main political parties. If these could agree to eschew petty politics on just a few national challenges, especially national security, India could be a leader despite its defects."
I will comment after a couple of days.
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The author did not use the word "national Interest" at all in the entire article. Even the US has faced this problem in the past.
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The Sonia-MMS government appears to be a little too eager to compromise Indian territory with neighbours. No gains, only losses
http://www.business-standard.com/india/ ... th/445383/
Historic Indo-Bangla land pact next month
Jyoti Malhotra / New Delhi August 10, 2011, 0:47 IST

Manmohan, Mamata visit to mark what could be a model for resolution of disputes with other neighbours.

India and Bangladesh are set to make history when Prime Minister Manmohan Singh travels to Dhaka on September 5 and signs a land boundary agreement with Bangladeshi counterpart Hasina that finally fulfills the vision laid down by the Indira-Mujib accord of 1974.

Accompanied by West Bengal chief minister Mamata Banerjee, Manmohan Singh, also formally a Rajya Sabha MP from Assam, is expected to find the visit particularly satisfying as it finally resolves issues that have plagued India’s relations with its key neighbour for decades.

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Both sides have also reached agreement on the thorny sharing of the Teesta waters, to also be announced during the PM’s visit. Meanwhile, a trade deal is also under consideration by the Indian authorities.

But it is clearly the agreement relating to the 4,096-km border between the two countries (262 km with Assam, 443 km with Meghalaya, 318 km with Mizoram and 856 km with Tripura), that will be the centre-piece of the Manmohan Singh visit to Bangladesh.

The agreement resolves three key issues. First, it demarcates the remaining 2.4 km of the 4,096-km boundary, pending since 1974. Second, it resolves the issue of control of all adverse possessions, of land used by Indians and Bangladeshis which is actually situated in the other country, amounting to about 7,000 acres. Third, it resolves the question of sovereignty of enclaves, which are small pieces of land encircled by the other country on which small populations live; these amount to about 10,000 acres.

The reason the Manmohan-Hasina agreement is so important is because for the first time since 1947 – not counting the ceding of the uninhabited island of Kachhateevu to Sri Lanka in 1974, amounting to only 285 acres, or the so-called “return” of the Haji Pir pass to Pakistan after the 1965 war – India has agreed to give up some of its territory to another country.

Meaning, the map of India, as a result of the Manmohan-Hasina accord will change. A majority of the enclaves, it has been agreed, will be handed over to Bangladesh. Much of the adverse possessions, about 4,000 acres, will come to India.

The matter of the high-profile Angarpota-Dahagram enclave which Bangladesh claims and which lies inside Indian territory — it is connected by a corridor called the Teen Bigha corridor (literally, three bighas of land, about the size of a football field) — has been resolved using a bit of South Asian genius: The road connecting the enclave will now be open 24 hours a day (earlier it was open only from 6 am to 6 pm, or sunrise to sunset), and will be equipped by an automatic signalling system. Bangladeshis will be able to use the road to exit India and enter their country at will. In fact, Hasina has decided to travel there after the accord is signed with Manmohan Singh, to launch a bus service.

BACKGROUND WORK
Government officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said both governments agreed to streamline the boundary when Hasina visited India in January 2010. She also promised the Indian leadership that Dhaka would not allow its territory to be used by anti-Indian insurgents, a path-breaking promise on which she began to promptly deliver.

United Liberation Front of Asom insurgents like Arabinda Rajkhowa were soon captured in the suburbs of Dhaka and other parts of Bangladesh and handed back to India. In fact, with the visit of an Ulfa team to Delhi this week for talks with the home minister, the final chapters of the Assam insurgency look like they are being written, thanks to Hasina.

As Hasina kept her word on the insurgents, Delhi began an exercise that kept its side of the bargain. Over the past eight months, surveyors, district officials and officials from the Election Commission have quietly criss-crossed each adverse possession and each enclave inside the states neighbouring Bangladesh, primarily West Bengal and Meghalaya, doing a headcount and asking each family whether they wanted to stay with India or become citizens of Bangladesh.

They reported their findings to their state chief secretaries, who in turn reported to recently retired home secretary G K Pillai in Delhi. Pillai coordinated the exercise with the ministry of external affairs, the Border Security Force and the surveyor-general.

The survey of adverse possessions threw up some ticklish situations. For example in Meghalaya, there was a football field, locally used, a ditch and some more land beyond, all of which constituted an adverse possession. The survey concluded the football field and ditch would stay with India, while the piece of land beyond would go to Bangladesh.

As for the people who lived on the enclaves, about 50,000 in all, each was given the option of staying on as citizens of the country in which their enclave was located. Initial trends are that the people have chosen to stay where they’ve always lived. But the option of moving back to India, being duly compensated with land and money, also exists for those people whose enclaves are located inside Bangladesh.

Officials point out that the resolution of the land boundary will pave the way for a resolution of the maritime dispute that arose some years earlier, when Dhaka took India to international arbitration.

DIVIDENDS
Most important, it will strengthen Hasina’s hands and allow her to take further action against her political opponents who accuse her of “selling out” to India all the time. Further, a sharing of the Teesta waters, on the lines of the Ganga water accord – signed when she was last in power in 1996 – will also consolidate her hold on power. It will allow Dhaka, which has already allowed the informal transit of Indian goods through Bangladesh, to make the matter more public.

Clearly, the most significant outcome of the Manmohan-Hasina accord is that it will serve as a role model for the resolution of other boundary disputes that India continues to have with its neighbours. China and India have been in boundary talks since 2003 and if the agreed principles are followed, the map of India will change much more significantly. Boundary disputes with Nepal and Myanmar also continue to simmer.

The presence of Mamata Banerjee on Manmohan Singh’s delegation to Dhaka, government sources concede, is significant. They say the earlier Left Front government substantively held up resolution of a boundary agreement since they came to power in 1977, because they thought cheap labour from Bangladesh would impact on Bengal industry.

But with new winds blowing in Bengal, changes are imminent in the Delhi-Dhaka relationship.
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India's Seminar on Scientific Dating of Events Before 2000 BCE: Special Report
"The anthropological research reports have established that DNA dating for Paleolithic continuity starts from 60,000 BC. The Genome studies during the Holocene have revealed that the genetic profile of humans settled in north, south, east and west of India is the same and has remained the same for the last more than 11,000 years. Therefore, contrary to the popular belief, the Dravidians as well as north Indians have common ancestors and both are originals of India." This interesting revelation was made by Dr. V.R. Rao, Professor of Anthropology, Delhi University while presenting his paper at the national seminar on"Scientific Dating Of Ancient Events Before 2000 BC"

The "Seminar on Scientific Dating of Events Before 2000 BCE" was held on 30th and 31st July, 2011 at the auditorium of Indian Institute of Mass Communication in New Delhi. The seminar was attended by about 400 people including Sanskrit scholars and astronomers, archaeologists and geologists, ecologists and anthropologists, oceanographers and space scientists, bureaucrats and academicians as well as other persons from the public and media, who took deep interest in the deliberations of this otherwise highly technical event organized by the Delhi chapter of I-SERVE [ Institute of Scientific Research on Vedas].

The two main objectives of the seminar were:

One, to highlight the fact that some new scientific inventions and tools can scientifically determine the authenticity and historicity of ancient events and as such any reliance on religious beliefs or linguistic guesswork is superflous. Such scientific dating is not only credible and convincing but is also likely to push back the antiquity of our civilisation by 4-5 millenia, giving all Indians a shared pride in our rich cultural heritage.

The second objective was to integrate the authenticated information contained in latest research reports of our eminent scientists, available with the Ministries of Science and Technology and of Earth Sciences, with the contents of our school and college books to enable the young minds to appreciate our true history, reconstructed purely on scientific basis.

Former President of India, Dr. A.P.J. Abdul Kalam delivered the inaugural address on 30th July. He endorsed the scientific methods of dating ancient events and emphasised that a mechanism needs to be built to disseminate the knowledge and information generated during the seminar with school and college children to generate a shared pride in our rich and ancient most heritage.

The highlight of the event was the release of the Seminar Memento, a wall clock depicting the sky view on 10th January, 5114 BC, date of birth of Lord Ram based on planetary configuration given in Valmiki Ramayan. The memento was released by Dr. A.P.J. Abdul Kalam.

Presenting the theme of the national seminar, Ms Saroj Bala, Director, I-Serve, Delhi Chapter stated, "Till now we have been told that prior to 1500 BC, India was uncivilized and that the Aryans who came from Central Asia pushed the uncivilized inhabitants towards the south and were later known as Dravidians. These invaders were the ones who set up the first civilized society in North India. Multidisciplinary and purely scientific research has shown that this premise, which was based on linguistic guesswork, is not correct."

According to Ms Saroj Bala the key findings of the seminar have the potential of uniting all Indians and raising their self esteem by giving them shared pride in their ancient most rich cultural heritage. To enlighten them based on scientific evidences, that indigenous civilization have been developing and flourishing in India for last 10,000 years and that some of our ancestors moved out to civilise others.
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Probe demand on Kalmadi's appointment not a personal attack on Sonia: Jaitley
New Delhi: On Tuesday morning, the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) stepped up the ante in the CWG war of words, blaming Congress president Sonia Gandhi for Suresh Kalmadi's appointment as the Commonwealth Games Organising Committee chairman. On Tuesday evening, senior BJP man Arun Jaitley sought to make clear that it was not a personal attack.
He also wished the Congress chief, who is recovering after surgery in the US, a speedy recovery.
Source:http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/probe ... ley-125567

I agree with Jaitley, why should every demand for action against corruption be construed as something that will upset Sonia.So what if it upsets her anyway, the demand is justified and relevant.Anyone, including Congress President Sonia, is under the constitution, and must be probed if sufficient evidence exists. It is in the interest of the nation that such probes must go on unhindered by politics. Political interference in judicial matters must be cut down.
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AdityaM wrote:why doesn't this make news:
http://www.hindustantimes.com/Pak-weapo ... 30339.aspx
The Ulfa chief also claimed that the main force behind the Ulfa making an impact in the international fora was Nobel laureate Jose Ramos Horta of East Timor.
more info here
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KS Bajpai seesm to have understood the burdens of being NSAB chairman. When he was retired bureaucrat he used to write nonsense.

The main gist of his article is Indians don't have national interests (common Frame of Reference) as they cant agree on it. He then laments on lack of consensus on military power etc. Then a paen for cooperation with US.

I long ago proposed on this forum for this very reason to look at each issue and see if the issue furthers or impedes India in the following spheres: political (includes military), economy, and cultural. Those issues that further them are good and those that imepded them are bad.

As or cooperation with US it has to be on equal terms on issues and not blanket like in colonial times. India cant be a Gungadin anymore.

India will confront PRC and cooperate with PRC as needed for her own reasons and not for anyone elses' reasons.
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^^ Precisely. That is an excellent point Ramana ji. What is our national interest? And is it acceptable to ALL Indians?

The answer to this question can carve out his/her own space in politics me thinks.
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