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That is exactly the aman ki asha ch***s are begging for IIT and other seats for the paki students. Once beta / beti has admission then how could we heartlessly deny mummy papa, nana nani a monthly visit to replenish the supply of biriyani?anupmisra wrote:{quote="ramana"}
Pak universities fail to get place in QS world ranking. From this April 2012 article:
The fact that no university in Pakistan has succeeded to find a place among the world’s superior educational institutions speaks volumes about the deteriorating standard of education in the country.
Harbans if you are taught about shit but are not taught that you should not eat it, one could proudly start eating shit and claim superiority over non eaters of shit.harbans wrote:I do get at times non Indians asking me about the Caste system, and i honestly tell them i don't know about it. No one ever asked me my Caste or i did the same in School or College. I say i do know Gotra and Varna and they have a completely different connotation to what they think the Caste system is. This is usually questioned by, but you marry within the same Caste? And i always say that is misleading, because the very primary aim of the Gotra system is keeping immediate blood lines away in marriage. So no we do not marry within the same Gotra or similar Gotras. Paki's being inbreds and marrying sisters and first cousins bother less about Gotra and it does mean little as one does not need to keep bloodlines separated in marriage and so they focus more on the discriminatory and racist aspects between Gotras, which in India diminishes rapidly each day. But then the driving motive of Adharmics will be to impute and malign majority Indics and divide them in some manner.
Vikas my experience corresponds with this viewpoint but what galls me is how Packees have been allowed to hide behind Punjabi liberal culture and act as if they own it. Pakjabi culture is burqa and segregation of women and no dancing of women in front of men who are not their husbands or brothers, and no kite flying. They are Muslims after all. I think this needs to be brought out clearly every time a shitistani Pakjabi claims some Punjabi culture.VikasRaina wrote: Surinder ji / Shiv ji, I don't see any evidence that Punjabi Hindus have ditched Punjabi Language for Hindi. On the contrary there is too much of Punjabi culture in our pop media like movies,tv, pop music , marriages etc. Everywhere around people are either swaying on Punjabi tunes, raising arms and doing bhangra jig or using Punjabi cuss wordsI don't see any disdain for Punjabi language or culture at least among Punjabis. I completely disagree that Sikhs alone have been guardian angels of Punjabi culture and Language.
The effort of most of the Gen-Y kids moving towards English and Hindi is India wide social phenomenon that I can see in all communities of India starting from my own self.
You do not need to dig much deeper. If you look at their so called Constitution you will see that it bars discrimination on the basis of 'caste'.shiv wrote:OK folks - it you dig deep enough the info starts leaking out.
While Pakis have been denying caste officially - the code words to see what caste is doing in Pakistan is not "caste" but clan and gotra.
Another diffAnujan wrote:Paki conservatives grow a beard shun alcohol and hate India. Paki liberals are clean shaven enjoy their whiskey and hate India.
Big difference between the two.
The Pakis, as everyone know, are a nation of bigots where the moderates are a tiny minority. But they have always been discrete about it which allowed them to milk Unkil, blame the Dirty Kafir Yehudi and Yindoo and bow to the Arabs at the same time. From time to time the true nature of Pakis would come out like when the killer of Taseer was showered with flowers by the "common" folk. Now what the Taliban have done is that the Pakis have had to answer for sure the "Either you are with us or not" question which goes against their ideology of running with the hares and hunting with the wolves which in turn translates into loss of H&D and the Imaan which fills their tank fuel pumps in times of war. The Ummah no longer will take Pakistan's word for it when they say that the Ummah will prevail and the green flag of Islam will rule the world. This again brings down the founding basis of Pakistan.shiv wrote:Can someone take a shot at this question:
Exactly what is it about the Taliban that so called moderate, liberal Pakistanis do not like? Anyone know the answer/s based on lurking on Paki liberal sites?
True. For Pakistanis, separating from India was a gift that was utilized to the hilt. When they wanted to show their culture and liberalism, they exposed their Punjabi culture and told the world "This is what Pakistan represents". When they needed to hide poverty, disease and the uncorrected unadulterated and unmodified caste practices that they perpetuated, the merely hid behind the story that either its all in India or its a "South Asia" problem but Pakistan is better because they are islamic.Yogi_G wrote: The Taliban have helped unmask the hypocrisy that Pakistan and Pakistanis are, the purdah has been lifted and behind it was a scared starving chest thumping Pakistani who hates to come out.
Djinnah: "You may belong to any religion or caste or creed that has nothing to do with the business of the State".saip wrote:You do not need to dig much deeper. If you look at their so called Constitution you will see that it bars discrimination on the basis of 'caste'.
In spite of how well our fore fathers fought off the Islamic barbarians and kept most of India Indic, I am ashamed of the fact that we cannot today protect our Hindu brothers and Sisters in the subcontinent. Deep down in the Hindu male is a chronic flaw which makes him insensitive to the extermination of his own tribe/breed/race. I bow my head in shame, coz after all I am one of those hypocritical keyboard warrior who speaks a lot but does nothing. As an RSS activist I have spent money and taken steps along with other people to prevent two whole localities from being converted to xtians but still thats a paltry nothing in this anti-Hindu world.Hiten wrote:Rinkle Kumari missing. Feared dead
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That one fart from Djinnah proves the hypocrisy of the hell-hole called Pakistan. Its no wonder that TSP and China mix so well. The latter is the grand-daddy of hypocrisy, it calls itself communist but is more capitalist and worker-exploitation oriented than any other capitalist nation. It sided with US to take out FSU.anupmisra wrote:Djinnah: "You may belong to any religion or caste or creed that has nothing to do with the business of the State".saip wrote:You do not need to dig much deeper. If you look at their so called Constitution you will see that it bars discrimination on the basis of 'caste'.
Please stop self flagellating. When you loudly lament an event that you can't stop but gives someone else joy, you are helping to give that person joy. Lament in private and deny that joy to the people who did it. Seriously, Rinkle Kumari was forcibly converted to Islam and then killed? Hey but Islam is a religion of peace. There is no compulsion in Islam. Muslims don't kill Muslims. Pakistan is an enlightened moderate home for Muslims of South Asia. Unlike a certain long dead Arab, I am sure Rinkle Kumari will have peace.Yogi_G wrote:Deep down in the Hindu male is a chronic flaw which makes him insensitive to the extermination of his own tribe/breed/race. I bow my head in shame, coz after all I am one of those
The liberals drink whiskey, come to India for shows and to make money, and then hate India (example, Paki cricketers who say "this is yindoo nature onleee".Anujan wrote:Paki conservatives grow a beard shun alcohol and hate India. Paki liberals are clean shaven enjoy their whiskey and hate India.
Big difference between the two.
Shiv ji, I understand your point and my current post may be slightly OT but I was no in now way self-flagellating. I started off with the first point being how our ancestors set the world an example and there is nothing wrong or lacking in us which might be used to justify our current state of weaknesses where we are unable to deal with challenges. Infact as a civilization we are simply the best with only the Chinese having the credentials to be deemed as an equal to us.shiv wrote:Please stop self flagellating. When you loudly lament an event that you can't stop but gives someone else joy, you are helping to give that person joy. Lament in private and deny that joy to the people who did it. Seriously, Rinkle Kumari was forcibly converted to Islam and then killed? Hey but Islam is a religion of peace. There is no compulsion in Islam. Muslims don't kill Muslims. Pakistan is an enlightened moderate home for Muslims of South Asia. Unlike a certain long dead Arab, I am sure Rinkle Kumari will have peace.Yogi_G wrote:Deep down in the Hindu male is a chronic flaw which makes him insensitive to the extermination of his own tribe/breed/race. I bow my head in shame, coz after all I am one of those
Djinnah was one big hypocrite. If you read his first speech to the constituent assembly, he starts out by lying. This is his speech. Jinnah's presidential address. His first line: "I cordially thank you, with the utmost sincerity, for the honour you have conferred upon me - the greatest honour that is possible to confer - by electing me as your first President"Yogi_G wrote:That one fart from Djinnah proves the hypocrisy of the hell-hole called Pakistan.
When Lord Mountbatten, who himself was seeking joint Governor-Generalship of the two, new, independent dominions, attempted to explain to Mohammad Ali Jinnah that under the dominion constitution of Pakistan, real power would flow from the office of Prime Minister, Jinnah is reported to have said “In Pakistan, I will be the Governor-General, and the Prime Minister will do what I tell him.”
His actions as Governor-General lend credence to the view that he was willing to violate the constitution and constitutional conventions. Consider: In his controversial decision to select himself for the office of Governor-General, Jinnah disregarded the valuable Commonwealth constitutional convention that the post be filled by a non-political person.
In addition to assuming the office of the Governor-General, Jinnah also assumed the position of President of the Assembly and that of a Cabinet minister with multiple portfolioswhile retaining the presidency of the Muslim League.
All that I have seen suggests that around 1850-1900, the izlamic heartland in UP began exporting thier Urdu to Pakjabis. It was trickle, which became a big phenomenon later on. Post 1947 it is only increasing.anupmisra wrote:Surinder, in your opinion, is this cultural degradation (giving up of the Punjabi language for Urdu/Hindustani, adoptation of Islamic mores) a recent phenomena or has this been going on for several generations? My guess is that it started when the brits started giving away lands and titles to the Musalmaans of Punjab in the mid 19th century.surinder wrote:Sorry to say, but our own Punjab is quite rotten too.
I was under the impression that Dronacharya had already delivered the apology from hell twice in the last few days as demanded by PCNS.arun wrote:The US apology will also pave the way for exchange of high level visits from both sides. The much needed financial assistance from the United States and clearance of dues under various heads against Washington along with favourable disposition from the world fiscal institutions would be available to Pakistan.
LAHORE: If Pakistan refuses to reopen the Nato supply routes, it will have to face international sanctions, said Defence Minister Chaudhry Ahmed Mukhtar on Sunday.
While addressing a press conference in Lahore, Mukhtar said that even though the Parliamentary Committee on National Security (PCNS) has not approved the resumption of Nato supply routes, it should review its decision for the benefit of the country.
VikasRaina wrote: Surinder ji / Shiv ji, I don't see any evidence that Punjabi Hindus have ditched Punjabi Language for Hindi. On the contrary there is too much of Punjabi culture in our pop media like movies,tv, pop music , marriages etc. Everywhere around people are either swaying on Punjabi tunes, raising arms and doing bhangra jig or using Punjabi cuss words
The effort of most of the Gen-Y kids moving towards English and Hindi is India wide social phenomenon that I can see in all communities of India starting from my own self.
The United States has decided to intensify drone strikes in tribal areas to mount pressure on Pakistan to restore Nato supply line without tendering apology. Sources told Online that the U.S has absolutely denied demand of apology over Salala check post attack last year added that U.S has informed about its new drone policy to Pakistan. “During recent visit to Pakistan, the US Special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan, Marc Grasman had informed the leadership of Pakistan about the new drone policy and the U.S is not considering apologizing over Salala attack”, sources said. Sources said that Pakistani leadership had denied U.S demands when Mark Grasman had demanded condition less restoration of Nato supply from political and military leadership of Pakistan. Sources also claimed that Hilary Clinton has also canceled Pakistan’s visit which was expected in beginning of May. While Pakistan has declared drone attacks as illegal and demanded end to drones immediately that is affecting the war against terrorism.
Militants in Pakistan's tribal badlands bordering Afghanistan ambushed a military convoy on Sunday morning, killing nine Pakistani troops.
Army officials said the convoy was passing through Amin Picket, a security outpost on a hilltop outside Miranshah in North Waziristan, when "dozens" of militants attacked the troops.
Check the link for more interesting stats on individual provincesAs compared to the population of 130,857,717 in 1998, the overall population was recorded at 192,288,944 in 2011 all over Pakistan, excluding three districts of Balochistan (Khuzdar, Kech and Panjgur) Agency of Fata (South Waziristan) as well as Azad Jammu and Kashmir (AJ&K) and Gilgit-Baltistan.
However, with the inclusion of population of Azad Jammu and Kashmir and Gilgit Baltistan, the population of the country would reach 197,361,691 in 2011 against 134,714,017 in 1998, showing an increase of 46.5 percent.
The bold part(not that the rest of the article is gold) is as usual horse shit coming from a baki, clicky for the article mentioned and you can see that the baki has used djinn tech while quoting Prof. C N Rao. The first line is from the author herself and Prof. C N Rao only says that “Science is a lucrative profession in Pakistan. It has tripled the salaries of its scientists in the last few years.”. That's all he has said about the bakis and rest of the "sooper dooper baki education system" and "10000000000000 phd's produced by bakistan" is our tried and tested la(w)hore logic and madarasaa maths. To top that even the date given of the quoted article mentioned by the baki is wrong or may be the "scientists" in baki land have come up with some new calender which is 1 day ahead of rest of the world hence establishing baki superiority in scinence , take that joo dirty kaafirs.Jhujar wrote:How big is this Poaq Gup
Higher Education in India200 new universities and 40 new high-level institutes. Nine additional IITs will also be established, bringing the total number of IITs to 16. This was stated by Indian human resource development minister Kapil Sibal in the Lok Sabha recently. A sum of Rs800 billion, the biggest-ever allocation, is being set aside in the 12th five-year-plan of India (2012-2017) to propel it into a strong knowledge-based economy. India has presently 17 percent of its youth between the ages of 17 of 23 enrolled in the higher education sector (as opposed to Pakistan’s 7.6 percent). It plans to increase this enrolment to 30 percent of the same age group by the year 2030 (Chetan Chauhan, The Hindustan Times, April 25). India decided to replace its University Grants Commission with a stronger federally funded organisation, National Commission of Higher Education and Research. This was approved by the Indian Cabinet in December 2011.
The recent steps taken by India are the result of a detailed presentation made to the Indian prime minister in July 2006 by Prof C N R Rao about the threat posed by the remarkable transformation underway in higher education in Pakistan.In an article entitled “Pak threat to Indian science,” Neha Mehta wrote: “Pakistan may soon join China in giving India serious competition in science.” (The Hindustan Times on July 23, 2006.) The progress made by the higher education sector in Pakistan in the last decade is reflected from the increase in enrolment from 276,000 students in 2003 to 803,000 in 2011, increase in number of universities and degree-awarding institutes from 59 in the year 2000 to 137 by 2011, and an increase in international research publications from only 636 in 2000 to 6,200 in 2011. The PhD output too underwent an explosive growth. During the 55-year period from 1947 to 2002, only 3,281 PhDs had been granted by all our universities (a shocking average of about 3-4 PhDs per university per year)! During the subsequent eight-year period from 2003 to 2010, this number was exceeded and 3,658 PhDs were granted. ( Mushy's Phd Scheme) There was maximum emphasis on quality, as all PhD theses were evaluated by at least two top experts in technologically advanced countries before approval.
Pakistani-American sociologist Ayesha Jalal writes, in her book, "Democracy and Authoritarianism in South Asia", that "Despite its egalitarian principles, Islam in South Asia historically has been unable to avoid the impact of class and caste inequalities. As for Hinduism, the hierarchical principles of the Brahmanical social order have always been contested from within Hindu society, suggesting that equality has been and continues to be both valued and practiced in Hinduism."[20]
Considering that so many of our Veda's Upanishads have been written by low castes, Gods incarnated in them, Guru's, Emperors, Rishi's belong to them...one cannot help but think how much of the discriminatory aspect of the Caste system is actually an import from the Islamist.Sections of the ulema (scholars of Islamic jurisprudence) provide religious legitimacy to caste with the help of the concept of kafa'a. A classical example of scholarly declaration of the Muslim caste system is the Fatawa-i Jahandari, written by the fourteenth century Turkish scholar, Ziauddin Barani, a member of the court of Muhammad bin Tughlaq, of the Tughlaq dynasty of the Delhi Sultanate. Barani was known for his intensely casteist views, and regarded the Ashraf Muslims as racially superior to the Ajlaf Muslims. He divided the Muslims into grades and sub-grades. In his scheme, all high positions and privileges were to be a monopoly of the high born Turks, not the Indian Muslims. Even in his interpretation of the Koranic verse "Indeed, the pious amongst you are most honored by Allah", he considered piety to be associated with noble birth. Barrani was specific in his recommendation that the "sons of Mohamed" [i.e. Ashrafs] "be given a higher social status than the low-born [i.e. Ajlaf].[8] His most significant contribution in the fatwa was his analysis of the castes with respect to Islam.[8] His assertion was that castes would be mandated through state laws or "Zawabi" and would carry precedence over Sharia law whenever they were in conflict.[8] In the Fatwa-i-Jahandari (advice XXI), he wrote about the "qualities of the high-born" as being "virtuous" and the "low-born" being the "custodian of vices". Every act which is "contaminated with meanness and based on ignominity, comes elegantly [from the Ajlaf]".[8] Barani had a clear disdain for the Ajlaf and strongly recommended that they be denied education, lest they usurp the Ashraf masters. He sought appropriate religious sanction to that effect.[4] Barrani also developed an elaborate system of promotion and demotion of Imperial officers ("Wazirs") that was primarily on the basis of their caste.[8]
TNN | May 7, 2012, 01.52AM IST
NEW DELHI: The government will maintain curbs on investment from Pakistan in strategic sectors such as defence, space and atomic energy while permitting foreign direct investment from across the border.
Officials told TOI that restrictions were being imposed after defence production secretary Shekhar Agarwal took up the issue with the department of industrial policy and promotion. "In any case, investment in these sectors is vetted or not allowed irrespective of the source of origin. So, we are not doing anything to block investment," said an official.
The industry department as well as the finance ministry have already sent the proposal to the Reserve Bank of India so that amendments to the Fema rules can be undertaken immediately.
The rules are also going to stipulate that each investment proposal from Pakistan will need to be approved by the Foreign Investment Promotion Board and will have to get a security clearance from the ministry of home affairs.
At present, Pakistan is the only country from which investment is barred after India dispensed with similar clauses for Sri Lanka in 2004 and for Bangladesh in 2007. However, investment from Bangladesh is yet to materialize so far.
The officials said it was only a matter of weeks before formal orders are issued, especially after commerce & industry minister Anand Sharma announced the government's decision last month. RBI has informed the government that it can issue the notification immediately but is unable to impose sectoral restrictions in it.
Another option for the government was to simply lift the ban on investment from Pakistan and leave it to FIPB to decide on it, although formally announcing it makes the entire process transparent.
Allowing investment from across the border is part of the joint initiative taken by India and Pakistan to improve trade ties. Although Islamabad is yet to fully grant most favoured nation status to India, the government has gone ahead and announced sops and is expected to announce preferential access for 30% products when the commerce secretaries meet in June.
You can never take a paki's words at face value, but should read between the lines to get the real story. This Ataur Rahman character is a RAPE scoundrel who got purged out of his cushy job as head of pakland's equivalent of UGC. So, now, he is braying that he made TSP education system so TFTA only that the yindoo banias are scared of TFTA academia and are reacting to it. Because he wants to say it was a mistake to have fired him. His BS has no relevance to Indian SDRE education system which will "bash on regardless" as the Bison Regiment motto would have it.anupmisra wrote: I think that the Indian UGC needs to focus on itself rather than the mis-perceived threat from the land of the pure. The UGC should focus on finding quality lecturers and professors of useful (to Indian context) degrees rather than aping what the pakis did: grant wholesale doctorates to mediocre students of Islamic studies, pay well connected students to go overseas for higher education, and convert community colleges to university status, etc. Here's a recent ranking:
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India does not face any threat from the pakis. Not for a long time unless the educators and planners in India do a paki on themselves. India's main threat comes from the mid-level Chinese universities who are "manufacturing" engineers and scientists by the hundreds of thousands to fill the middle and lower ranks of their nascent industries. See this article: 2011 QS Asian University Rankings™: India and China – university superpowers of the future?
Caste is the WRONG word. We dont have a CAste system in Pakistan - thats in India.
We have a 'zaat' or 'baradri' thing.In India Caste determines all aspects of society and you 'socail staus/standing'.In Pak, you wouldnt even know what your best mates 'zaat' would be - it isnt an issue, and it wouldnt be a factor in you making friends.Example: I met up with Kashif 2 weeks ago, and we mentioned 'zaat' - he mentioned his, and I mentioned mine. Now thats after a year of knowing him. In India, under the CASTE system - our Caste system would determine whether we were friends. If we were the 'wrong caste' - we wouldnt sit together on an equal social level.I dont know any of my mates 'zaats' - and thats in over 25 years of knowing them. Thats how differentiate 'zaat' and 'caste'
It's pretty bad in India for sure, especially it plays a huge role in marriages ( i don't know about choosing friends on the basis of caste though). I myself didn't know my caste untill i was 19 when i asked my dad just because my friends were talking about it otherwise it has never been an issue in my family and we hardly ever care.
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Before the world accuses Pakistan of hating India, they should realize that Pakistan is itself a victim of hating India and pressuring Pakistan to stop hating India will only strengthen the hands of extremists.Anujan wrote:Paki conservatives grow a beard shun alcohol and hate India. Paki liberals are clean shaven enjoy their whiskey and hate India.
Big difference between the two.
Pakis!! Typical response ("Islam has no caste"). Here's a conversation I had with a young paki banker in NY whose last name could have been a Hindu Khatri name. Anyway, in jest, I asked him if he knew his caste? Feigning ignorance, he asked me what caste meant? He said that in Islam caste was irrelevant. Then he promptly informed me that he had heard from dada (granddad) that they were originally Khatris (he called them Kshatris) and that his mom was also from a Kshatri family. All this while pretending to not know anything about "castes". Then, since he was a bachelor, I asked him what his parents in Lawhore would think if he married a pakistani christian. He said "What! Marry a chamaar? Never!". That was the end of our caste related discussion.Jhujar wrote: Here is Poaq understanding of Caste/Zaat ,Paat
Surinder ji:surinder wrote:It pains me to say it, but large segments of Hindus have done so. Maybe it is not as large as the near universal abandonement in Paki Punjab, but it is substantial. While Punjabi as a language and culture is vibrant across all of India among non-punjabis, it is being abandoned by Punjabis. I do know that bhangra, the food, the swagger, the chaste punjabi abuses are coool. It is also a fact, that Punjabi is the most common language (apart from Hindi) for a song in Hindi films. But this popularity has not made Punjabis eager to ditch their language.
You can go Punjab and go to Hindu temples. Which language is the one used for prayers, communication, and for notices and signage on temple walls? Arya Samajis, one of the most popular movement amongs high-caste Punjabi Hindus, is explcitly anti-Punjabi. (English is OK, of course.)
You can go to Punjabi houselholds in punjab and outside and they would know Hindi better. I know a Punjabi couple near me. They know Punjabi, but prefer not to speak it. Once their kid spoke in Punjabi to his Naani on phone. Naani is in Punjab. Naani freaked out and berated daughter/son-in-law for teaching this language. These are people form the heart of Punjab. I had lunch with a colleage from the heart of Punjab. He informed me that he can understand Punjabi, but in their house they don't speak it.
I am not suggesting all Punjabi are such. Many older Punjabis speak it more out of lack of knowing Hindi, not out of pride or a connection.
Punjabi is a language will die among Punjabis soon. It vestiges will remain in pop-culture, though.
Sikhs are wedded to Punjabi language and is the language of worship. That will preserve it. Interestingly enough, Sikh Gurus never advocated Punjabi--vast majority of the Holy Granth is in Hindi & Braj. The Tenth master spoke & wrote exclusively in Bihari Braj and Hindi.
harbans this is a perceptive statement and I will go OT if I dwell on it. Maybe some other thread.harbans wrote: Considering that so many of our Veda's Upanishads have been written by low castes, Gods incarnated in them, Guru's, Emperors, Rishi's belong to them...one cannot help but think how much of the discriminatory aspect of the Caste system is actually an import from the Islamist.
I am certain it will shoot up by another 100 million if they actually count the lower castes stuck in Paki estates of the wealthy.Rohit_K wrote:Paki Population shoots up by 47 percent since 1998
You deserve a pisko-medal for this. Pakis are all like this and this needs to be exposed, laid open and revealed to the world.anupmisra wrote:Pakis!! Typical response ("Islam has no caste"). Here's a conversation I had with a young paki banker in NY whose last name could have been a Hindu Khatri name. Anyway, in jest, I asked him if he knew his caste? Feigning ignorance, he asked me what caste meant? He said that in Islam caste was irrelevant. Then he promptly informed me that he had heard from dada (granddad) that they were originally Khatris (he called them Kshatris) and that his mom was also from a Kshatri family. All this while pretending to not know anything about "castes". Then, since he was a bachelor, I asked him what his parents in Lawhore would think if he married a pakistani christian. He said "What! Marry a chamaar? Never!". That was the end of our caste related discussion.Jhujar wrote: Here is Poaq understanding of Caste/Zaat ,Paat