Anujan wrote:
No sir. Let them take the first step. Pay restitution for terror victims and deport Dawood, Hafiz Sayeed and various "Abu bin"s and "al something something wi"s. Then we will think.
ONLY first step is a plan for reducing the military budget drastically followed by slow denuclearisation. Because they will happily kill these aging pigs and nurture new ones tomorrow. These fatties were never anything more than poster boys to baby/scruffy face khakis like Jernail Arippass Fiaz.
It is time to openly demand that at PM level.
Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022
Posted: 18 Jan 2023 19:55
by chetak
Funny how lessons are suddenly learnt when their afghanistan policy has unexpectedly collapsed and the bank accounts are near bone dry, and the taliban are literally at their throats.
They are also hijacking considerable amounts of paki wheat, and are leaving the paki awam bereft of flour and desperately hungry
there is no getting away from the historical malice and the covert animus with which his predecessors always approached India and how they always ended up backstabbing India. This malsi is no different
and finally, who in that diseased and crapped out mulk of pakistan, said said that he, shariff had the authority or even the consensus or the mandate to "talk" to India on cashmere. He is merely a temperory seat warmer and people of his ilk are like ships that pass in the night.
Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022
Posted: 18 Jan 2023 19:56
by Neela
If we hold out, and the chaos, riots, hunger, essential medicines dry out, and when those who bray for Kashmir start feeling the heat, our dictating position becomes better.
There is only one way Pak is headed - and that is down. Their DNA isnt meant for work or progress. We have decades for data to show it. And we can wait. They cannot.
Let it play out. I want to see them crawling on all fours and licking our feet.
Washington: A US lawmaker has introduced a legislation in the US House of Representatives that seeks to terminate Pakistan's designation as a major non-NATO ally, and require annual certification from the president with certain conditions for Islamabad to be given such a designation.
The bill (HR 80) was introduced by Congressman Andy Biggs, who represents the fifth Congressional district of Arizona.
It needs to be passed by the House and the Senate before it can be signed into law by the US President, and has been sent to the House Foreign Affairs Committee for necessary actions.
Now there are calls for lamposting the unthinkable, 'untouchables' in Pakistan. Surprised that these guys are openly baying for the blood of the Establishment.
Pakistan will refuse to take dictation from Russia and demands that Russia supply them at a discount better than the one given to India. Also, Russia will have to supply them oil and gas on deferred payments (to be waived in the future). Russia needs to remember that Pakistan is the only Islamic atami takat in the world.
Will not amount to anything, if past precedents are considered. At the most an affront to the enchandee of Bakistan... but bakis are even past that now
Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022
Posted: 19 Jan 2023 07:21
by KLNMurthy
Rsatchi wrote:Yawn news:
let-us-sit-down-on-the-table-and-have-serious-sincere-talks-pm-shehbaz-to-modi
Loji More begging
Most likely water is flowing three metres over the head!!
I remember this same b***ard, after 26/11, coming on Indian TV and saying, ok, we hit you hard. But now you should stop finger pointing and resolve Kashmir.
I remember this same b***ard, after 26/11, coming on Indian TV and saying, ok, we hit you hard. But now you should stop finger pointing and resolve Kashmir.
It's amazing how empty stomach can rewire the brain.
Islamabad abuzz with reports of new political party launch
It is said that politicians from different parties are being contacted to form a new party
Contacted by whom? RAW? CIA? Joos? Pakistani media can't name the army even when it's so obvious yet we are told even by the so called "liberal" Indian elite that Pakistani media has more freedom and independence than Indian media.
This statement from the Saudis indicates that they are actually annoyed by the constant begging from the Pakis. They have to express their displeasure but couch it in diplomatese.
Also looks like Pakis are asking Saudis to be guarantors of institutional loans. THis statement is possibly a hint in that direction.
“We used to give direct grants and deposits without strings attached and we are changing that. We are working with multilateral institutions to actually say we need to see reforms,” the minister said.
Islamabad abuzz with reports of new political party launch
It is said that politicians from different parties are being contacted to form a new party
Contacted by whom? RAW? CIA? Joos? Pakistani media can't name the army even when it's so obvious yet we are told even by the so called "liberal" Indian elite that Pakistani media has more freedom and independence than Indian media.
Rumor is that Army wants a "technocratic setup"
Will not be a political party, might be a caretaker govt with technocrats in charge.
Or the big danda Munir might give a "Mere Aziz Humwatanoo..." speech on PTV and put the technocrat govt in charge.
I remember this same b***ard, after 26/11, coming on Indian TV and saying, ok, we hit you hard. But now you should stop finger pointing and resolve Kashmir.
This might be not a change of heart or new realization, but a cynical statement targeted at Indian WKKs and world media, in order to portray some change in attitude/approach from Pakistan. You can see the level of coverage this got from the usual suspects in the Indian media, Coupta not only praised this guy but ended his video by stating as one of the key takeaways that he was a true patriot and dumb Indian nationalists should be more like him and criticize their govt more and be more accepting of criticism of the govt.
Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022
Posted: 19 Jan 2023 14:32
by Manish_P
Anujan wrote:..
Rumor is that Army wants a "technocratic setup"
Will not be a political party, might be a caretaker govt with technocrats in charge.
Or the big danda Munir might give a "Mere Aziz Humwatanoo..." speech on PTV and put the technocrat govt in charge.
This then looks like a typically tactical Pak fauj Op.
Burnt from the backfire of loose missiles like Immy, the fauj now wants to maintain the charade of democracy but with easily scapegoated technocrats. They will be the front desk executives who will face the angry awaam. When at the next disaster the abduls bay for blood they can simply suspend/fire the bunch and replace them with others. No need to spend money on costly things like elections which take time to fix.
Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022
Posted: 19 Jan 2023 15:30
by Bart S
Manish_P wrote:
Anujan wrote:..
Rumor is that Army wants a "technocratic setup"
Will not be a political party, might be a caretaker govt with technocrats in charge.
This then looks like a typically tactical Pak fauj Op.
Burnt from the backfire of loose missiles like Immy, the fauj now wants to maintain the charade of democracy but with easily scapegoated technocrats. They will be the front desk executives who will face the angry awaam. When at the next disaster the abduls bay for blood they can simply suspend/fire the bunch and replace them with others. No need to spend money on costly things like elections which take time to fix.
That is not going to work anymore. In the past they could maintain the charade and manage things using ISPR controlled media. Now the situation is very different. Dimran has openly called their bluff, and there is open anti-army sentiment, so much so that they can get blamed even for stuff that is not their fault. The ISPR created and controlled media channels have in fact gone against the army and supported Dimran and so have the social media trolls that they sponsored. And the non-Dimran political parties will also go hammer and tongs at the army since they would be booted out of power for this to happen. So pretty much every segment of the population in Pakistan is going to understand who brought the technocrats to power and target the army for that. To add to the mess, the so-called technocrats cannot fix anything, they can only make things worse for the awam, unlike in Zia and Musharraf eras where they got generous American aid.
Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022
Posted: 19 Jan 2023 16:16
by Manish_P
Hence, Tactical.
If it fails, the jihadi fauj will demonstrate their time proven expertise in manoevre warfare - downhill skiing. And fall back to their usual, fixed polls - selected government.
There is always a grouping within the kabila - political as well as military, who wants to overthrow in the incumbents.
We need to see if we can accelerate the widening of the fissures and break up of paki land.
Pakistan: Millions of textile workers lose jobs amid crisis
Ali is just one of around 7 million people who have recently been fired from their jobs in Pakistan's textile industry, according to textile associations. Once a thriving sector of economy, it now struggles with low exports amid a deepening crisis.
Ejaz has also written a letter to the American ambassador in Islamabad requesting him to arrange a loan of $2 billion dollars for Pakistan to import cotton. Ejaz also urged Washington to announce concessional loans for Pakistan's textile industry.
Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022
Posted: 19 Jan 2023 20:45
by vimal
Pakistanis national slogan since 80s has been “Amrika ka ek ilaj, al-zihad Al-zihad”, even as they survived on American weapons and aid. Nothing changes, same begging and same hate.
Ejaz has also written a letter to the American ambassador in Islamabad requesting him to arrange a loan of $2 billion dollars for Pakistan to import cotton. Ejaz also urged Washington to announce concessional loans for Pakistan's textile industry.
I thought this Ejaz dude is some textile minister but he is president of some textile association. Now private citizens are asking US ambassador to intervene? Where is phoren minister Bhutto? I think he was last seen taking pictures with phoren diplomats at Davos for his Insta reel.
Islamabad abuzz with reports of new political party launch
It is said that politicians from different parties are being contacted to form a new party
Contacted by whom? RAW? CIA? Joos? Pakistani media can't name the army even when it's so obvious yet we are told even by the so called "liberal" Indian elite that Pakistani media has more freedom and independence than Indian media.
Summary for those who want a precis, new lipstick, same pig.
Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022
Posted: 20 Jan 2023 00:21
by hnair
KLNMurthy wrote:
I remember this same b***ard, after 26/11, coming on Indian TV and saying, ok, we hit you hard. But now you should stop finger pointing and resolve Kashmir.
Putin views Pakistan as ‘key partner in South Asia’
If only Putin's views could bring down inflation. Where is the damn cheap Russian oil which Russians had agreed to sell to Pakistan at a better discount than what they gave to India?
Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022
Posted: 20 Jan 2023 04:06
by g.sarkar
Two billion is peanuts, not enough even for the current batch of retiring jernails. Khan should give at least 20 billion. After all Pakistan defeated the USSR in Afghanistan. Where is the gratitude?
Gautam
Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022
Posted: 20 Jan 2023 05:03
by nachiket
Anujan wrote:
Rumor is that Army wants a "technocratic setup"
Will not be a political party, might be a caretaker govt with technocrats in charge.
Or the big danda Munir might give a "Mere Aziz Humwatanoo..." speech on PTV and put the technocrat govt in charge.
With any luck the competence of these technocrats will be on the level of Ishaq Dar. In fact they should make him head technocrat.
Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022
Posted: 20 Jan 2023 05:35
by vimal
Ya alla Kaptaan come back to power.
His expertise is needed at this hour.
Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022
Posted: 20 Jan 2023 06:28
by Nsmith
hnair wrote:
KLNMurthy wrote:
I remember this same b***ard, after 26/11, coming on Indian TV and saying, ok, we hit you hard. But now you should stop finger pointing and resolve Kashmir.
We should dig this up ASAP!
Hnair-ji, your request led me down a deep rabbit hole! Here are a few choicest of nuggets from this a-hole in chronological order. This fellow is similar to their coupta. Well connected, wily, full of himself and a key player in track-thoo dialogues.
Mind you, all of these op-eds predate 2014. As we all know, Narendra Modi's elevation as prime minister marked an epoch and fundamentally altered the course of Bharat's history.
26/11/2010
Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s use of the phrase ‘terror machine’ to describe Pakistan is interesting, if laden. In these two words he alleges an entire process of conception, creation, industrialisation and application of terror as an organised state activity — in Indian speak, as an instrument of state policy.
Irregular components have always been part of Pakistan’s military capacity to make up for the inadequate numbers when staring up India’s military superiority — in 1948 the Quaid ordered the then Colonel Akbar Khan to lead tribal lashkars into the first Kashmir war. This option has remained as a thought in reserve in the strategic calculus, allegedly finding expression in the 1989 uprising in Kashmir. [This used to be the default Paki position for nanha mujahids on BRF who may not know what it was like to grow up in 90s and early 00s. Dealing with smug Pakis who would openly flaunt that they have an *irregular military capacity* to be used strategically against India.]
Although she has bigger insurgencies to handle against the Maoists and the Naxalites, India harbours one refrain — Pakistan’s use of terror against India. Pakistan hasn’t obliged with a more affirmative response to India’s continuous harp, since India will not engage with Pakistan on a range of issues. Judicial processes in both countries are based on the same law and can always act as a convenient ruse for hedging a process. [We know that you know that we hurt you for no cost whenever we wish but you can't do s**t.]
19/1/2011
Decreasing space for moderation in the Pakistani societal construct has finally pushed India to realise that while it was fun entangling a beleaguered Pakistan in a senseless blame-game, a capsizing Pakistan will only mean more trouble at India’s doorstep. Without doubt, the fallout of a collapsing state structure or societal fragmentation in Pakistan will be for India to bear, with a probability of graver consequences. Remember Mani Shankar’s invocation of Siamese twins; it never goes away and is unlikely to, however hard one may try. [Another classic whcih I do not see nowadays. If we go down we'll make sure to pull you down with us!]
Two parallel developments within the Indian monolith accrue. One; a December 18, 2010 confession by Swami Aseemanand , speaking of complicity in the Samjhota Express blast, as well as other major blasts at Muslim sites within India, is made public and a court process begins to take shape, after four years of dithering on a persistent Pakistani refrain to bring to book the Samjhota perpetrators. Two; the Indian establishment, till date the real block in letting the dialogue between the two countries resume, is amenable to re-initiating the dialogue; never mind the subsequent qualifications of terrorist infrastructure in Pakistan being the core Indian interest. [Just another reminder of why the people of this country got rid of UPA 2!!!]
11/7/2012
In a recent discussion on an Indian TV channel at which I was present, I likened the Indian proclivity to hark back to Mumbai at the mere mention of Pakistan, to India “milking Mumbai”. It didn’t go down too well with my Indian colleagues since the three-and-a-half-year-old pain still seems real. Though it is not in their character, Indians persistently embellish that episode with emphatic sensitivity and as a great injustice that to them has still not found closure. No question on the morbidity that underwrote such heinous enactment, but even morbidity should find closure, especially if it involves two states whose past has a sad history of violence. [Think this is the bit KLNM was referring to]
November 26, 2008 is a reality. There had been a similar attack on the Indian parliament in 2001, and then a couple more in Kashmir. Pakistan has had its own share of similar embarrassing attacks on the GHQ and on the Mehran base in Karachi. Afghanistan is currently suffering through similar episodes of brief takeovers by militants of sensitive buildings for some hours, meant to embarrass security outfits. That doesn’t make the pain any less; just that it signifies the occurrences as common experience of these three nations as they fight off insurgencies and heinous episodes of terror emerging from multiple sources. They can do better by making coordinated efforts to fight this pervasive menace. [equal == equal onlee]
What a slimy bunch of snakes! Going forward this adharmic entity called naPakistan will certainly be relegated to the footnotes of history. I hope the godforsaken place keeps simmering in turmoil (and not boil over), gasping for a few billion dollars every few quarters for the next three decades while Bharat grows into a $30T economy. That would be divine justice. Not that I wish bad for 20 crore humans but this is just karma biting them in the ass.
Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022
Posted: 20 Jan 2023 07:24
by Manish_P
partha wrote:
... Where is phoren minister Bhutto? I think he was last seen taking pictures with phoren diplomats at Davos for his Insta reel.
Yessir. Billo baba was promoting paki aams (mangoes) at Davos. Had cornered the hapless Luxembourg PM.
Putin views Pakistan as ‘key partner in South Asia’
If only Putin's views could bring down inflation. Where is the damn cheap Russian oil which Russians had agreed to sell to Pakistan at a better discount than what they gave to India?
Partha ji, Putin is ex-KGB from the 70s. Well aware of the 'key parties' of the period. He has used the term quite aptly for the Pakis...
If only Putin's views could bring down inflation. Where is the damn cheap Russian oil which Russians had agreed to sell to Pakistan at a better discount than what they gave to India?
Partha ji, Putin is ex-KGB from the 70s. Well aware of the 'key parties' of the period. He has used the term quite aptly for the Pakis...
last heard, the russki oil that putin was offering was un refine able in pukilund refineries
the russkis are not willing to part with the top Urals grade oil reserved for India and other markets.
Also, there was no talk of reduced prices.
Speculating that Putin also may want unhindered access to warm water ports (in pukilund), warm water ports being a tsarist wet dream since before the russki revolution and the very basis of the britshit's great game between the british empire and the russki empire over afghanistan and neighbouring territories in central and south asia and a confrontation that existed for most of the 19th century and "sharing" of gwadar may be in the russki sights.
Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022
Posted: 20 Jan 2023 08:42
by Manish_P
Typical entitled Paki RAPE's thinking...
He probably meant to put the word 'owes' instead of the '&'
THE world’s richest, most powerful people are gathered for their annual lovefest at the World Economic Forum in Davos. As they engage in small and some big talk, millions worldwide continue to fall through the cracks due to ongoing fallouts from shocks like Covid-19 and the Ukraine war. The historic peripheries of the world system, Pakistan included, are bearing the brunt.
...
Of late, there has been fleeting talk that postcolonial Asia, Africa and Latin America ought to revive radical political-economic imaginaries that persisted until the 1970s. In doing so, we could potentially push back against the power of global creditors and dominant economic orthodoxies.
...
Yes, Pakistan needs an overhaul of the domestic political economy, but we and most of the G77 also need an overhaul of the global political economy. There is no way that the future of Pakistan’s teeming millions can be secured only through domestic restructuring. A distinct vision for the world system is necessary too — and geopolitical sloganeering celebrating the rise of China and Russia does not constitute such a vision.
What we need, instead, is an ecologically friendly and egalitarian project of economic development beyond neocolonial debt bondage and unbridled capital accumulation.
THE world’s richest, most powerful people are gathered for their annual lovefest at the World Economic Forum in Davos. As they engage in small and some big talk, millions worldwide continue to fall through the cracks due to ongoing fallouts from shocks like Covid-19 and the Ukraine war. The historic peripheries of the world system, Pakistan included, are bearing the brunt.
...
Of late, there has been fleeting talk that postcolonial Asia, Africa and Latin America ought to revive radical political-economic imaginaries that persisted until the 1970s. In doing so, we could potentially push back against the power of global creditors and dominant economic orthodoxies.
...
Yes, Pakistan needs an overhaul of the domestic political economy, but we and most of the G77 also need an overhaul of the global political economy. There is no way that the future of Pakistan’s teeming millions can be secured only through domestic restructuring. A distinct vision for the world system is necessary too — and geopolitical sloganeering celebrating the rise of China and Russia does not constitute such a vision. What we need, instead, is an ecologically friendly and egalitarian project of economic development beyond neocolonial debt bondage and unbridled capital accumulation.
Manish_P ji,
any idea as to who (all) would be likely to foot the bills in such an utopian undertaking
karl the marx would be chortling in his grave
Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022
Posted: 20 Jan 2023 10:58
by Manish_P
chetak wrote:..
Manish_P ji,
any idea as to who (all) would be likely to foot the bills in such an utopian undertaking
karl the marx would be chortling in his grave
Me humble SDRE onlee, Chetak saar. I confess i didn't understand half the words the RAPE used..
'In doing so, we could potentially push back against the power of global creditors and dominant economic orthodoxies'
Above line doesn't include 'Global Donors and Religious orthodoxies'. So maybe he is referring appealing to Gulf birathers?
Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022
Posted: 20 Jan 2023 11:31
by SRajesh
vimal wrote:Ya alla Kaptaan come back to power.
His expertise is needed at this hour.
Here you go sirji
Djinn has granted your wish
Kaaptaan izz winning all election/selection
Wants fresh Selection Process/Interview Board to be set up
Manish_P wrote:Typical entitled Paki RAPE's thinking...
He probably meant to put the word 'owes' instead of the '&'
Yawn - The world & us
Manish_P ji,
any idea as to who (all) would be likely to foot the bills in such an utopian undertaking
karl the marx would be chortling in his grave
Let us also not forget that the fallouts of global warming are concentrated in postcolonial Asia — and slightly less so Africa — so responding to climate change is not only about securing financing/reparations from the West but also fomenting an alternative development practice within and across these regions.
Reminds me of braindead Urduwood movies. The main character slaps a tiny moustache and becomes incognito. Yeah... Its the same begging bowl.
Gimme money for Afghanistan
Gimme money for GWOT
Gimme money for Transit to Afg.
Gimme money for being MuNNA
Gimme money Islamic big brother.
Gimme money for Climate change
Gimme money as reparations for past crimes
Yes, Pakistan needs an overhaul of the domestic political economy, but we and most of the G77 also need an overhaul of the global political economy
Such a state in a patient is often the result of multi-organ failure. In Pakistan, the organs of the state, ie its political, social, economic and administrative institutions, are failing.
The military, as de facto principal political, economic and administrative decision-making institution, has brought about this state failure by exceeding its constitutional limits.
Dont you even for a moment think that such opening lines in an article can be extrapolated to the rest of it.
Pakiness is like a sticky , phlegmy cough
Our scientific and cultural heritage of Baghdad, Andalus, Iran and Central Asia needs to be repossessed and carried forward
Per this fellow's science, his heritage is from Middle east. And he wants to revert to true Islamic principles.
But Paki heritage story is well known and I am glad they dont claim to be one of us. We have our reputations and standards .
The bigger story is acknowledging collapse of the state. Granted, this resignation will last until the next infusion of funds . Still, the good news is that the much-expected institutional collapse is underway and is being acknowldged.
As a broad timeline,
Institutional collapse-> Hunger and non availability of essentials -> Aam aadmi hitting the streets-> Riots -> gated comunities of Paki rich attack -> Cantonments attack-> Paki Army attacks
We are getting there. Level 1 is nearing completion.
Re: Terroristan - March 31, 2022
Posted: 20 Jan 2023 14:18
by Manish_P
Neela wrote:...
Gimme money for Afghanistan
Gimme money for GWOT
Gimme money for Transit to Afg.
Gimme money for being MuNNA
Gimme money Islamic big brother.
Gimme money for Climate change
Gimme money as reparations for past crimes
..
Neela wrote:..
As a broad timeline,
Institutional collapse-> Hunger and non availability of essentials -> Aam aadmi hitting the streets-> Riots -> gated comunities of Paki rich attack -> Cantonments attack-> Paki Army attacks...
+1
Sir, you should make a graphical representation of this. Could go to the start of the Pakistan thread / the Endgame of Pakistan thread
