Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 10 May 2010 06:28

White House adviser says authorities believe Pakistan Taliban behind Times Square bomb attempt

Saying they obtained new evidence, senior White House officials said Sunday that the Pakistani Taliban were behind the failed Times Square bombing.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 10 May 2010 06:35

Muppalla wrote:Actually do we really know the list of terrorists being killed in Drone attacks? None exists and will never see the light.

Saar, slightly OT but this report came out couple of days back.
No-Name Terrorists Now CIA Drone Targets

Once upon a time, the CIA had to know a militant’s name before putting him up for a robotic targeted killing. Now, if the guy acts like a guerrilla, it’s enough to call in a drone strike.

It’s another sign of that a once-limited, once-covert program to off senior terrorist leaders has morphed into a full-scale — if undeclared — war in Pakistan. And in a war, you don’t need to know the name of someone on the other side before you take a shot.

Across the border, in Afghanistan, the rules for launching an airstrike have become tighter than a balled fist. Dropping a bomb from above is now a tactic of last resort; even when U.S. troops are under fire, commanders are reluctant to authorize air strikes. In Pakistan, however, the opposite has happened. Starting in the latter days of the Bush administration, and accelerating under the Obama presidency, drone pilots have become more and more free to launch their weapons.

“You’ve had an expanded target set for [some] time now and, given the danger these groups pose and their relative inaccessibility, these kinds of strikes — precise and effective — have become almost like the cannon fire of this war. They’re no longer extraordinary or even unusual,” one American official tells CNN.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 10 May 2010 06:52

^^^(wrt to NRao) Transcript of Eric Holder on ABC

Manny · Post by **Manny** » 10 May 2010 06:52

Pakistanies are like Gollum in LOTR, they seek their precious! MY PRECIOUSSSSSSS! But they ain't getting their precious!

http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/34 ... -34999.jpg

ROFLMAO!

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 10 May 2010 07:42

Suppiah wrote:Is he trying to detonate a bomb kept in the luggage hold (checked-in) remotely thru his shoe? Timers are unreliable because of usual flight delays in this part of world and splitting them may be a good way of getting thru security...

What surprises me is why is he choosing this flight? After all it will be full of barbaric terrorists and hardly any worthwhile target...may be this is a trial run?

Some commentators are saying that it could have been a 'dry run' for a future airplane bombing attack, and that jihadis were just testing the security at Karachi airport this time around.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 10 May 2010 07:52

Paki gloating on India's surrender.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 May 2010 07:54

Just wondering what the RAPE and army of Pakistan will have to do to reverse the trend that Packees are following about how to view the kafir world.

They will have to say "Islam does not demand that you do such things. We must use peaceful means, develop, learn science and math in schools, accept that non Muslims have place in this world, and bring in family planning using birth spacing methods to fewer Pakistanis are born and that this is not an anti-Islam plot. All that we said all these years about the Hindus, Christians and Zionists was wrong. They will not attack us but will give us everything we need to win if we just stop attacking them and start loving them."

Ha! I doubt if I will live to see the day that happens...

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 10 May 2010 07:59

CRamS wrote:Paki gloating on India's surrender.

On 4 May, Qureshi made some critical remarks in the National Assembly on Musharraf’s back-channel diplomacy and said the present government had returned to the country’s historical and principled stand on Kashmir. But this statement will not be enough. If the government wants to dispel all doubts on the issue, it must declare unambiguously that it repudiates the “settlement” that Musharraf was getting ready to sign.

Even if we think that MMS wants to give away something, the truth is he won't be able to. As Ambedkar pointed out in his book on Pakistan, Pakistani demands can only escalate. The mentality that gave rise to Pakistan always takes an agreement to be a sign of weakness that something more can be demanded.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 10 May 2010 08:02

shiv wrote:Just wondering what the RAPE and army of Pakistan will have to do to reverse the trend that Packees are following about how to view the kafir world.

When the RAPE and army start a general massacre of Packees on the grounds of impurity and impiety and so on, then Packees might wake up and day this is not what we signed up for. Even so, there will be tremendous confusion; a lot will attribute their lot to insufficient Islam. But some souls will be jolted awake.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 10 May 2010 08:23

Faisal Shehzad, Anti-Americanism & Terror - Pervez Hoodbhoy

Living his formative years in Karachi, he typifies the young Pakistani who grew up in the shadow of Zia-ul-Haq's hate-based education curriculum.

A private survey carried out by a European embassy based in Islamabad found that only four per cent of Pakistanis polled speak well of America, 96 per cent against. Although Pakistan and the U.S. are formal allies, in the public perception the U.S. has ousted India as Pakistan's number one enemy. Remarkably, anti-U.S. sentiment rises in proportion to aid received.

symontk · Post by **symontk** » 10 May 2010 08:26

Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani told the nation the militants had two choices - surrender or die.

And yes the "militants" are doing exactly that, surrendering for another time / day or dying of suicide blasts / old age.

This only happens in pakistan with no comfort to India

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 10 May 2010 08:29

The drone attack toll, reported yesterday here, goes to 25

The strike occurred in the vicinity of Datta Khel, considered a haven for Taliban and Al Qaida elements.

Datta Khel, located near the border with Afghanistan, is the hometown of militant commander Hafiz Gul Bahadur.

Is the US is trying to drive a wedge between the PA & Gul Bahadur who is a sarkari Taliban ?

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 10 May 2010 08:39

A_Gupta wrote: Just wondering what the RAPE and army of Pakistan will have to do to reverse the trend that Packees are following about how to view the kafir world.

When the RAPE and army start a general massacre of Packees on the grounds of impurity and impiety and so on, then Packees might wake up and day this is not what we signed up for. Even so, there will be tremendous confusion; a lot will attribute their lot to insufficient Islam. But some souls will be jolted awake.

Watch the Pakjabis. When the southern punjabis show resentment with the situation then we can see some change. Tell us when they start showing some behavior change.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 10 May 2010 08:50

Even if we think that MMS wants to give away something, the truth is he won't be able to. As Ambedkar pointed out in his book on Pakistan, Pakistani demands can only escalate. The mentality that gave rise to Pakistan always takes an agreement to be a sign of weakness that something more can be demanded.

There is some justification in TSP perception due to caving in by successive Indian govt: started by ABV, and taken to dizzying heights by MMS. TSP RAPE believe that it is their LET and other aggressive posture (Kargil, missiles, nuke blackmail) has forced India to talk about Kashmir eschewing its traditional atoot ang posture. The problem, as everyone of us here on BR know, is that India has not been able to extract a price for TSP's use of LET. So the equation is scaling back LET Vs Indian concessions on Kashmir. Thats what SES was all about and now sanctified at Thimpu albeit using a different set of words. And the TSP has the west's support on untangling this equation, even after Times Square.

jrjrao · Post by **jrjrao** » 10 May 2010 09:11

MJ Akbar in the TOI says that MMS is an unfixable Paki surrenderer (MMS is a Paki cook/servant, is how he describes it), whose Paklove is totally wrong, and that that Paklove needs to be corrected right here and right now by getting into a very phony, and very endless, chai-biskoot with the Pakis, where even the time of the day is not conceded to the Pakis.

Paki FM Qureshi has been endlessly provocative and needling, and it is time to f!ck th!se P!kis, says MJ Akbar:

Get Pakistan to set a timetable

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 10 May 2010 09:19

TSP is innocent babby.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2010_pg3_4

Faisal Shahzad’s radicalisation —Yessir Latifa Hamdani with no Samajhdani

The answer is one that no one in the Obama administration is willing to consider. However, those Pakistanis — especially of Mr Shahzad’s age — who went to the US in the late 1990s for an education know the answer very well. Mr Shahzad was probably indoctrinated not in a madrassa in Pakistan or by the TTP in 2009 suddenly but rather on campus in the US. As a 30-year old Pakistani who went to college around the same time, I know this from personal experience.When I started college at Rutgers University in New Jersey 12 years ago, I was approached by a group of young bearded American Muslim men wearing rocket jeans — the roar back in the day — who invited me in their American accent to attend the on-campus meeting of the Islamic Society at Rutgers University. When I attended what I believed would be the college Muslim mixer, more than a few surprises awaited me. At the meeting I was informed that now that I was in the US, I should be wary of the “kuffaar” (all non-Muslims especially those “white devils”), that all “non-hijabi women were sluts” and that “anyone who eats from the dining hall is automatically out of the circle of Islam because pork is cooked there”. Boy, I thought to myself, I am from the conservative Muslim country, not they. Then when the Pakistani Students Association tried to organise a fashion show, a concert and a dance to showcase our beautiful culture, the Islamic Society disrupted our efforts because it considered itself the guardian of all ‘Muslim’ organisations on campus. This touched off a rather serious feud between the FOBs (Fresh Off the Boats) and ABCDs (American Born Confused Desis). Ironically, it was us FOBs from the backward Pakistan who wanted to present a liberal image of Pakistan and the ABCDs wanted to limit us to segregated iftar dinners and fundraising for Palestine and Kashmir. Ultimately, the university administration bowed to Islamist pressure and refused us the permission to hold such an event on campus. All this was widely reported in the college press.
It was during their time in the US that many FOBs — in a bid to fit in with the Muslim brothers — got radicalised and grew French cut beards. I suspect Faisal Shahzad was a similar case. The Islamic organisations on American campuses are even more hardcore than what we have heard of the cancer of Islami Jamiat-i-Talaba (IJT), which is plaguing Pakistani campuses. The kind of terror that these groups create for individual Muslims on American campuses is at least as bad as the IJT creates for Pakistanis in the Punjab University or Karachi University though they are in no position to affect the overall environment of campuses there because Muslims as a whole are a minority.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 10 May 2010 09:23

pgbhat wrote: No-Name Terrorists Now CIA Drone Targets
Once upon a time, the CIA had to know a militant’s name before putting him up for a robotic targeted killing. Now, if the guy acts like a guerrilla, it’s enough to call in a drone strike.

It’s another sign of that a once-limited, once-covert program to off senior terrorist leaders has morphed into a full-scale — if undeclared — war in Pakistan. And in a war, you don’t need to know the name of someone on the other side before you take a shot.

Across the border, in Afghanistan, the rules for launching an airstrike have become tighter than a balled fist. Dropping a bomb from above is now a tactic of last resort; even when U.S. troops are under fire, commanders are reluctant to authorize air strikes. In Pakistan, however, the opposite has happened. Starting in the latter days of the Bush administration, and accelerating under the Obama presidency, drone pilots have become more and more free to launch their weapons.

“You’ve had an expanded target set for [some] time now and, given the danger these groups pose and their relative inaccessibility, these kinds of strikes — precise and effective — have become almost like the cannon fire of this war. They’re no longer extraordinary or even unusual,” one American official tells CNN.
thx. Is there a list of terrorists killed with affliation to keeda, LeT or whatever the acronyms? I doubt it. They are just killing whereever they see a bunch of abduls with guns. Every one is a game for them and for TSP and TSPA also there is no loss as in these areas there is not much to lose. Will US ever expand 24x7 drone attacks to Pindi and Lahore? Then we can take US seriously. Until then all these statements coming out as warnings from Clintons and etc are just giving some chuckles to India centric hopeful analysts.

SSridhar wrote:Is the US is trying to drive a wedge between the PA & Gul Bahadur who is a sarkari Taliban ?

Entire Waziristan is just a colateral damage for both US and TSP. Whoever gets killed there is a terrorist as there is no SSN type IDs here. Everyone has a long beard, a turban and dust filled kurta pyjama.

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 10 May 2010 10:21

Dunno if this has been posted earlier... But this guy hits Pakiness on its head with a Nail and BIG hammer....

We shall overrun

Some quotes...

4. We hate American foreign policy unless it suits us. We are against American imperialism if it means we have to ditch the Taliban as that would be against the aspirations of our founding father, Mohammed Bin Qasim. We will no longer shop at Marks and Spencer because they are somehow connected to Israel. However, that does not mean we will switch off our computers and cell phones whose chip technology has been made possible due to major contributions from Israeli scientists.

10. Democracy is a deeply flawed system that has destroyed the world. Totalitarian monarchies with entrenched security and bureaucracies are much better and in line with our Arab origins. Please do not compare us to India. We have nothing in common with them except our DNA, culture, cuisine, language, music, and geography.

17. India is stealing our water and is destroying the country via its Sindhi/Balochi/Pushtoon/Gilgiti/Hazara/Hingora/Makrani/Seraiki proxies. Damn this fifth column riff-raff. We brought them the glorious Islamic civilization from the latest Nasim Hejazi novel and look at how uppity they have gotten since. We gave them commerce (Gujrati), language (Urdu), and agriculture (Punjabi) and they still want to maintain their identities and celebrate their vernacular religious practices which our pure Arab background forbids. Feed them to the Taliban.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 10 May 2010 10:38

Minor operation by PA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg5kSsVEJcs

The documentary takes viewers to never-before-seen locations all across the country, from the politically sensitive Line of Control and the Siachen Glacier to the mountains of Waziristan and the swamps of Sir Creek. Anchored and produced by Dawn News' senior anchor and correspondent Wajahat S. Khan.

Carl_T · Post by **Carl_T** » 10 May 2010 11:33

Sri wrote:Dunno if this has been posted earlier... But this guy hits Pakiness on its head with a Nail and BIG hammer....

We shall overrun

Some quotes...

4. We hate American foreign policy unless it suits us. We are against American imperialism if it means we have to ditch the Taliban as that would be against the aspirations of our founding father, Mohammed Bin Qasim. We will no longer shop at Marks and Spencer because they are somehow connected to Israel. However, that does not mean we will switch off our computers and cell phones whose chip technology has been made possible due to major contributions from Israeli scientists.

10. Democracy is a deeply flawed system that has destroyed the world. Totalitarian monarchies with entrenched security and bureaucracies are much better and in line with our Arab origins. Please do not compare us to India. We have nothing in common with them except our DNA, culture, cuisine, language, music, and geography.

17. India is stealing our water and is destroying the country via its Sindhi/Balochi/Pushtoon/Gilgiti/Hazara/Hingora/Makrani/Seraiki proxies. Damn this fifth column riff-raff. We brought them the glorious Islamic civilization from the latest Nasim Hejazi novel and look at how uppity they have gotten since. We gave them commerce (Gujrati), language (Urdu), and agriculture (Punjabi) and they still want to maintain their identities and celebrate their vernacular religious practices which our pure Arab background forbids. Feed them to the Taliban.

All time great article.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 10 May 2010 11:57

Ambassador Romer's trip to Pakistan

http://blogs.usembassy.gov/roemer/2010/ ... -pakistan/

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 10 May 2010 13:28

praksam wrote:Last Plane to Lahore

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/amb-marc- ... 68892.html

That was a fine, hard-hitting and realistic piece. However, I find that the Ambassador is not so well versed with the root-cause of this problem. From the above,

Fortunately, the civilian Pakistani leadership has awakened to the threat, but it is weak and fraught with turmoil and unable to adequately control the ISI or the Pakistani military.

No sir, it has not. One can clearly see gradations in the way GoP handles the terror events caused by its 'non-state actors' in foreign countries. While the GoP might want to curb the activities of those targetting the US, if necessary (not always), it would appear to take quick actions in almost all cases after the event and in many cases it renders the suspects so arrested, to the Master. The Master does not give baksheesh on a case-by-case basis but he is generous overall.

In the case of other Western countries, it does not normally go to that same extent, but it might still collaborate with them if the countries are the UK & France. In other case, like Denmark etc., it doesn't do much unless appropriate pressure is mounted on it or enough baksheesh passes hands.

Of course, in the case of India the whole of Pakistan launches a jihad against the infidel.

The Americans are fooled by the apparent tough actions that GoP has taken. They should realize that the Pakistanis have for six decades now outmanouevered the US in diplomacy and there is no reason to believe that somehow that skill has been blunted now.

The Pakistanis continue to feel that the terror tanzeems, including the wayward TTP, can somehow be brought under PA's control and everything will be pleasanter soon. The American thinking that so long as Pakistan confines its terror activities to India and Afghanistan alone, it won't be harmful to them is coming back to haunt them. There is no reason to believe that the GoP has realized that its control of the tanzeems is rapidly diminishing.

Neither the weakness and fragility of GoP nor its lack of control over the PA/ISI has got anything to do with that. The entire country feels what GoP feels.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 10 May 2010 13:53

Militant groups still operating openly in Pak: report

http://beta.thehindu.com/news/internati ... 425969.ece

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 10 May 2010 13:59

Why is Hillory talking like this?

"Some Pakistani officials were more informed about al-Qaeda and Taliban than they let on", secretary of state Hillary Clinton has said.

"I'm not saying that they're at the highest levels but I believe that somewhere in this government are people who know where Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda is, where Mullah Omar and the leadership of the Afghan Taliban is and we expect more cooperation to help us bring to justice, capture or kill, those who attacked us on 9/11," Clinton told CBS in an interview.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 10 May 2010 14:08

abhishek_sharma wrote:Militant groups still operating openly in Pak: report

http://beta.thehindu.com/news/internati ... 425969.ece

Where is the "let-us-have-pi$$" Siddharth Varadarajan!

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 10 May 2010 15:57

Neela wrote:
abhishek_sharma wrote:Militant groups still operating openly in Pak: report

http://beta.thehindu.com/news/internati ... 425969.ece
Where is the "let-us-have-pi$$" Siddharth Varadarajan!

As an American citizen, I hope he writes to an American newspaper advocating peace and why Ms. Clinton must not issue threatening statements and why the CIA drones must be withdrawn.

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 10 May 2010 16:11

40 terror camps near Af-Pak border: Alexander M Kadakin

AnimeshP · Post by **AnimeshP** » 10 May 2010 16:18

'Musharraf responsible for construction of Indian dams on Pak water'

All party meeting in Pakistan on the water issue ... now inquiring minds may ask who were the attendees ..

The APC convenor Hafiz Saif Ullah Mansoor presided over the meeting which was particpated by Prof Hafiz Abdul Rehman of Jamat-ud-Dawa, Indus River Water Council chairman Hafiz Zahoor-ul-Hassan, Muttahida Kisan Mahaz president Muhammad Ayub Khan, Dr Farid Paracha of Jamat-e-Islami, Allama Zubair Ahmad Zaheer of Jamiat Ahl-e-Hadees, Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf senior vice president Ejaz Ahamd Chaudhry, PPP central secretary information Dr Fakhar Uddin, PML-N Kisan Wing president Major (r) Zulifqar Ali Shah and others spoke on the occasion.

So my friends ... next time someone tries to tell you that the civilians in Pakistan have a different outlook on terrorism than the Army, please point to this news article ..

ashish raval · Post by **ashish raval** » 10 May 2010 17:07

kenop wrote:Why is Hillory talking like this?
"Some Pakistani officials were more informed about al-Qaeda and Taliban than they let on", secretary of state Hillary Clinton has said.

"I'm not saying that they're at the highest levels but I believe that somewhere in this government are people who know where Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda is, where Mullah Omar and the leadership of the Afghan Taliban is and we expect more cooperation to help us bring to justice, capture or kill, those who attacked us on 9/11," Clinton told CBS in an interview.

Well well well...If Al-Qaeda/Taliban's are handed over to US, who will feed their 170 million population which is good for nothing !

do you need a rocket scientist to explain it to a "Stretegic Think-tankers" ! Jihadi's are like Hen's laying golden eggs, one of these golden egg is handed over or killed when Paki PM goes abroad with a begging bowl. US wants to kill that Hen..do you think Puke moron's will do it...not even for $100 billion. This will never happen, so US should forget about it; work on plan B ---> stop all the aide to paqi's, declare them as terrorist state, turn afghanistan into a fortress, threaten a UN resolution to invade paqi's if any terrorist strike traces back to paqistan.

I have very very strange feeling about softness of Amirkhan with Paqi's...somewhere down the line, Paqi's have access to deep deep Amirkhani secrets ... possibly their strategic plan against India, China and Russia which they will cry out in UN if Amirkhan stop's supporting them. I guess Amirkhan's are being blackmailed and are happy being held at ransom for reason's we dont know...

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 10 May 2010 18:38

Prem wrote:TSP is innocent babby.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2010_pg3_4

Faisal Shahzad’s radicalisation —Yessir Latifa Hamdani with no Samajhdani

There is some element of truth here as well. There are two aspects to FS case there was something in his stay in US where despite having a family children. job mortgage cars and all american dream he decided to blast it away. Ofcourse no one is denying that porkistan was the place where he got training to fulfill his dreams. Also the islamic doctrination he received in schools there was responsible for lighting the fire of jihad in him

But consider this the guy came to US in 1998. So this was his 12th year in US the american lifestyle should have extinguished the islamic fire in him but that did not happen why? That is because that fire was stoked and kept alive by these islamic organizations in US. The student origanizations and mosques. So Unkil also needs to stop these centers before some one else gets motivated from here. The example of 4 virginia students actually is pretty good indicator in this matter. They are in 17 - 20 age group and one was a dental school student. Still they decided to move to pakilands to fight kafirs.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 10 May 2010 18:52

WRT the guy stopped at Karachi airport with batteries and an electronic circuit in both his shoes.

TV news showing a bearded gent 35-40 yrs old. The shoes' insole has been removed to reveal a twin AA cell battery holder(complete with springs etc). The man claimed that these are shoes which vibrate and are meant for medical purposes to soothe the feet.

Hmmm,
Now this got me thinking.
1. Either this was a dry run to assess security. Now everyone knows that batteries in shoes is for medicinal purposes onlee.
2. The cutaneous nerve supply of the sole of the feet is S1,2 sacral segments. The dermatomal supply of the glans penis is S2,3. Looks like there is a market out there for vibrators which "massage" much more than your feet, and the kicker is that this is 400% halal.

The man has been released (After the karachi police tried on his shoes and tested its soothing vibrations in full)

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 10 May 2010 19:06

Also just saw a documentary on Undie TV, of an Indian NDTV reporter who's gone on a tour of the south waziristan / bajaur / swat areas courtesy the Pakistan army.
The Pakistani army officers extolling all the 'operations' they have carried out, the usual visit to the caves, the mandatory visit to the 'heaven' with the wall paintings of hoors and rivers of milk.

Several interesting things worthy of being noted. As the convoy drives by areas with some amount of forests, the soldiers fire their weapons into the jungle all the time, continuously, completely unmindful of the fact that they might shoot some innocent civilian there. But not the martial pakistan fauj. Also heavy artillery, mortar, and an old tank being used, the tank firing off both its coaxial machine gun as well as its anti aircraft gun into the bushes. Apart from this there are several images of the pakistani army soldiers running around in Raakit Mard istyle.

The brigadiers and captains on NDTV behaving like they are members of Eastern Indian Provinces talking to their own national reporters.

I didn't catch the whole program, missed some part in the begining. But the NDTV reporter seemed well informed about the pak army not undertaking operations in N Waziristan. The pakistanis passing that off as "The whole writ of the state had been lost in the south, so operations were done there". The reporter dutifully reporting the same, but adding that the North waziristan groups are accused by the US forces in afghanistan of supplying fighters and weapons to the afghan taliban. The reporter also says that the marriot hotel bombing in islamabad was carried out by the baitulla mehsood TTP.

No mention of the ISI supporting the talibs.

Some amount of objectivity, and some glossing over the intricate and important facts.

AnimeshP · Post by **AnimeshP** » 10 May 2010 19:55

Militants in no mood to talk

The Tigers ignored instructions from Taliban leader Mullah Omar that the men should be freed, instead issuing a list of high-profile men in Pakistani jails to be released in 15 days. Otherwise, they said, Tarrar would meet the same fate as Khawaja. For the release of Qureshi, there is a separate demand of US$10 million in ransom. See Qureshi's video below sent to ATol at the weekend.

Other sources told ATol that Colonel Imam was to be released because of pressure from the Afghan Taliban and that he would be handed into the custody of Afghan Taliban commander Jalaluddin Haqqani's group led by Hafiz Gul Bahadur, the chief of the Taliban in North Waziristan. This was also widely reported in the Pakistani media.

However, everything changed with the arrest of Faisal Shahzad in New York and the ramping up of the drone program. Al-Qaeda forcibly put its foot down and managed to undermine the authority of Mullah Omar.

"It was completely wrong news that we agree to the release of Colonel Imam and Asad Qureshi," Usman Punjabi told ATol on the telephone on Sunday. "We did not receive any direct instruction from Mullah Omar. We did not see any direct emissary of Mullah Omar's. What we heard regarding the instructions [from Mullah Omar] was just talk by some ISI-backed Taliban groups in North Waziristan that they had been asked by Mullah Omar to release Colonel Imam.

"So we have asked them to provide evidence - any audio or video recording of Mullah Omar in which he ordered the release of Colonel Imam. We cannot believe the words of just any person in that regard," said Usman Punjabi.

"For us Colonel Imam was not a mujahid. If he was assumed in the past as the father of the Taliban, he did that as a government employee - being an army officer. He still receives a pension from the Pakistan army. To us he is their man," said Usman Punjabi. This is in direct contradiction to what he earlier told ATol, that Colonel Imam would be released.

It is becoming apparent that al-Qaeda is calling the shots in North Waziristan and creating a situation under which the good and bad Taliban will not have any choice but to operate under al-Qaeda's flagship while trying to entice the US into a fight.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 10 May 2010 20:27

Check out the pic of the guy caught in karachi airport for shoes with electronics.

Pakistan airport stops passenger with circuits, batteries in shoes

The news says the guy is a civil engineer. Now if this is the type of ppl in engineering colleges then I would urge Sec of State Hillary to please work on plan A B & C

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 10 May 2010 20:46

Here is another nonsense article
Urgently needed: Yet another Pakistan miracle

A Pakistan implosion means India’s own larger Muslim population and its neighbors additional 200 millions would be up for grabs. There is no way New Delhi could secure the Indian Subcontinent’s western flank, the historic invasion route, without a functioning Pakistan.

I dont know what is the basis of such hypothesis. Why do IM care (vast majority least) about what happens to pakis? Plus how does porkies protect us today from western flank & against whom afghans & iranians? or Bin Qasim arabs? come on the only trouble is porkies themselves and now the new enemy is china not the C Asian hoardes or Mongols.

Pakistan is in the throes of reinventing itself — as it has done so many times in an eventful half century since British India was cleft by Louis Lord Mountbatten, the Empire’s last and perhaps worst viceroy. Without so much as a constitutional convention, President Asif Ali Zardari, known as Mr. 10 Percent [probably a big loser in the Dubai debacle] has turned the country back to a raucous parliament. Yet it was chief of army staff Gen. Pervez Kyani who worked out details of Washington’s multibillion 10-year aid program. And given history, it will not be the last time that the country’s only valid national institution is called in to save — you will pardon the expression — the bacon.

Copy & Paste from ISPR propoganda. Is this guy seriously qualified to write on international affairs?

There is also under American pressure an effort to reactivate a moribund federalism — including rebadging the colonial North West Frontier as a Pushtoon-speaking entity. This calculated risk, acceding to a movement long backed by the Soviets with Indian aid — to carve another Subcontinental entry such as Bangladesh [né East Pakistan] in 1971 — from both Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Even Madam Jalebi does not accuse us so much

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 May 2010 21:08

acc to Indian TV Hillary Clinton has said that some Paki officials know where Osammy is

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 10 May 2010 21:26

^^^

Some Pakistani officials were more informed about the Al Qaeda and the Taliban than they let on....

I'm not saying that they're at the highest levels but I believe that somewhere in this government are people who know where Osama bin Laden and the Al Qaeda is, where Mullah Omar and the leadership of the Afghan Taliban is, and we expect more cooperation to help us bring to justice, capture or kill, those who attacked us on 9/11...

(CBS Interview - Clinton's quotes)

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 10 May 2010 22:09

shiv wrote:acc to Indian TV Hillary Clinton has said that some Paki officials know where Osammy is

Something does not seem to add up. Are there two camps in GOTUS? Its a message for sure. Are we listening to her?

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 10 May 2010 22:10

Interesting piece in Christian Science Monitor

Educated and radical: Why Pakistan produces Faisal Shahzads

Unchecked hate speech and rampant conspiracy theories in Pakistan may also play a part in radicalizing some of the nation’s educated youth, says Sherry Rehman

Gropers eye candy has some words of wisdom. All unkil needs to do is monitor youtube to see what is going on

One of the most popular nightly TV shows hosted by Zaid Hamid regularly unfurls elaborate sinister theories about how the US is attempting to destabilize Pakistan. Mr. Hamid is dubbed by some as “Pakistan’s answer to Glenn Beck,” the popular talk show host on Fox News derided by many as promoting outlandish theories. Hamid also advocates the Pakistani conquest of longtime rival India and has suggested that the 2008 Mumbai attacks were staged to victimize Pakistan, in the same way the 9/11 attacks were “staged.” The show has a massive following among Pakistani youth, and supporters include celebrities such as rock star Ali Azmat and fashion designer Maria B.

This is second time I am hearing Hamid here. 1st was by Seymour Hersh in Newyorker and now in CSM looks like unkill is watching him but also tells us how popular he is amongst porkies.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 10 May 2010 22:14

Look at the NY Times article especially the picture it tells a story that the article has completely missed. Porkies have deluded themselves to the point of no return about Chaliphite and mythical islamic renissance. I dont think this problem of terror mindset can be solved as long as they carry this racial theory of islamic superiority similar to arian race theory of nazis.

Faisal Shahzad's Taliban link gives President Obama an excuse to unleash fury on Pakistan evildoers