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illary clinton aka hitlery klingon makes it evident as to who makes US foreign policy.
The "Think Tanks", in the US, has *always* been very instrumental in formulation of policy" - foreign policy is one of them (state and local policies too have been influenced by such groups. Just BTW, there are umpteen NRIs in such groups, not so much at the Federal level, but very much so at local and to a lesser extent at the State levels.) It is the norm here, may not be the perfect path, but needs to be respected. In fact, a lot of cities/towns that has a large NRI population has an "advisory board" made up of NRIs - essentially to protect the interests of that community. Even the US nuclear posture formulated after the cold war was a Think Tank's effort. Yes, they do have a lot of influence. But, then such Think Tanks do invite foreigners too to join them for short periods of time. (I am *not* a Hillary supporter.) Anyways.
I wonder why dont we do the same ? get hold of an island in A&N and declare it as tax-free for non Indian citizens, a kind of SEZ. what am I missing ?
This was suggested when the British handed over Hong Kong to the Chinese. The idea was to attract those Chinese that were instrumental in building Hong Kong. But as you can see:
Right now it is just two buildings
even over the years the idea has not caught on. Lack of vision at the national level - which seems to be the problem in India, too fragmented.
But the promoters want it to rival Singapore
That is a very tall order. S'pore is a city state that was ruled, not so much governed, for a long time. It would take a very strong single hand to induce discipline. For academic purposes, just check out the differences between India and S'pore on the "Smart City" front. Night and day. It is what it is.

BTW, Hong Kong:
The Hong Kong Basic Law is its quasi-constitution which empowers the region to develop relations and make agreements directly with foreign states and regions, as well as international organizations, in a broad range of appropriate fields.[22] It is an independent member of APEC, the IMF, WTO, FIFA and International Olympic Committee among others.
That is perhaps what is needed to get an entity such as Hong Kong/S'pore up and running. Very low taxes and independence in pretty much all respects.
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http://www.theamericanconservative.com/ ... sionaries/
The Pentagon’s Unholy Alliance with Missionaries
The reckless use of a charity to sneak spy equipment into North Korea will endanger Christians across the world.
Was a Christian non-governmental organization funded by the Pentagon used to smuggle spy equipment into North Korea? Investigative journalist Matthew Cole of the The Intercept has done yeoman’s work in ferreting out the details of what must surely be one of the most ill-conceived military intelligence operations of all time, and that is saying quite a lot. And Congress was reportedly fully briefed on it, though that has been denied by at least one member of the Intelligence Oversight Committee, who accuses the Pentagon of never pausing to consider the potential blowback that it might produce.
From that point the narrative gets a little bit fuzzy. Boykin retired from the Pentagon in 2007 but the program continued to run with one officer describing it as a “jobs program” for Boykin’s friends, most of whom appear to be, like him, evangelical Christians. It is reported that short wave radios and some electronic devices intended to monitor nuclear programs as well as interfere with North Korean military communications were indeed smuggled into the country by unwitting Christian missionaries, aid workers, and Chinese smugglers, but whether they provided any critical intelligence is unclear. The operation continued to run during the Obama administration, finally winding down in 2013. While it is certain that George W. Bush’s Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld knew of and approved the operation, it is not known if either the Bush or Obama White Houses had explicit knowledge of it.

Some background on the usual restraints governing how the United States runs covert intelligence operations overseas is necessary. The charity involved in the Pentagon initiative is what is referred to as a non-governmental organization, or NGO. NGOs are not organized like businesses or corporations in that their primary objective is only peripherally linked to making money and their objectives vary considerably. The ones that are encountered overseas frequently have either charitable or educational functions.

NGOs are fair game for infiltration and cover by intelligence organizations, but their exploitation in that fashion is extremely uncommon. That is because it is impossible to control all the unwitting players in an NGO and any such operation would be susceptible to eventual exposure, with the damage derived from potential blowback far exceeding any possible gain.

The United States government does in fact impose a ban on recruiting certain categories of individuals as spies. Clergymen are off limits partly for ethical reasons but more because the exposure of such a relationship would be devastating both to the religious organization itself and to the United States government. Use of the U.S. taxpayer-funded Peace Corps is also banned because exploiting it would potentially turn its volunteers into targets for terrorists. Recruitment of journalists whose reporting potentially might appear in the U.S. media is also forbidden because the distribution of intelligence agency-produced stories could be construed as an attempt to covertly influence opinion and policies inside the United States. Ironically, the federal government officially opposes spy agency disinformation even though it does the same thing through the judicious leaking of information from the White House and Pentagon.

NGOs and individuals that operate as charities like Medecins sans Frontieres (Doctors without Borders), the victim of the recent bombing in Kunduz, Afghanistan, might in theory be exploited by an intelligence agency. But there is considerable risk of unfortunate consequences when doing so. One need only cite the case of the Pakistani doctor Shakil Afridi, who was recruited in 2011 as part of the CIA’s pursuit of Osama bin Laden. Afridi covered his search for bin Laden DNA by providing vaccinations against polio. After the story broke, polio eradication projects throughout south Asia foundered, leading to a resurgence in the disease and the injuring and killing by militants of numerous health care workers. Exploiting a humanitarian medical cover proved to be damaging to everyone involved, particularly as a risk-versus-gain analysis suggests that the information provided by Shakil Afridi did not in any way prove critical to the success of the operation to kill bin Laden. In 2014, the White House announced that U.S. intelligence would no longer exploit vaccination programs.

When the Pentagon sought to exploit a religious charity to infiltrate North Korea, all kinds of red flags should have gone up. But they did not because Boykin was relying on his personal relationships and his status as a former head of Delta Force to make the operation untouchable. Rep. Jan Schakowsky, who served on the Intelligence Committee at the time, insists that no one in Congress was briefed. She commented astutely on the downside to the operation, observing that “…to use unwitting aid workers on behalf of an intelligence operation, people who genuinely do humanitarian work, to turn their efforts into intel collection is unacceptable. Now we have people who have been hired to do some good work and become unwitting accomplices to an intelligence mission? They can face all kinds of retaliation. It is completely unacceptable.”
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Singha wrote:american exceptionalism in fully play

The World’s Favorite New Tax Haven Is the United States
Moving money out of the usual offshore secrecy havens and into the U.S. is a brisk new business.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/ ... ted-states
But the US is going to extract every last penny of tax and some from these assets. Moreover they have the muscle to backstop the enforcers.
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sire extracting fat service fees and holding fees from cash rich accounts is done by all these tax havens incl swiss. what else can fund the lifestyle and super income of geneva and zurich. so yes there will be fees. tax on interest will be there. but the whales who move such money want to preserve capital if they are keeping it as money and not necessarily looking for returns. they will have portfolio investments in realty in europe - like chelsea and other posh areas in londonistan via shell cos and proxies and equity/MD holdings too , apart from gold bars in vaults of global banks.

think of it as increasing leverage. the arabs park most of their money in europe and also cavort in non-sharia fashion there , so europe has them by the balls when it comes to recycling petro dollars by buying EU product. amrika is the chowkidar who protects from big bad bearded lion Iran so they pay for that too

with more such money moving to amrika from all around the world, the GOTUS hold on the worlds korrupt elites will only increase. russian billionaires from yeltsin era all settled in london with their stolen money.
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NRao garu: whom do you endorse? Trump or Sanders? If the latter I have to register dem. As of now I am an independent. If Hillary gets the dem ticket then Trump it is. If not it becomes dicey. I dislike Cruz and Rubio duo. Both have too much of religious fervor for my taste.
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T vs. S you dont need to change.
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Singha: of course. On the other hand once anybody gets into khan, they are stuck. Swiss are wax in their hands though a few tax scofflaws get presidential pardons. Kilton Saab did pardon a one or three - that was after his impeachment even. Not sure how many others slid through during dubya. I am not holding my breath for justice to be served when President "Nobel peace prize" puts his executive order pen down.
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The State Dept. has reverted to linking India and Pak in one desk.The pro-Paki jokers in the US establishment cannot get enough of their fix from Pak.Hence the thought that they could control both India and Pak better by having a joint desk in their foreign policy. The Modi regime should take serious note of this development and ignore the paens of praise that might emanate from some MEA mandarins predisposed heavily in favour of kowtowing to Uncle Sam.
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i vaguely remember if a HNI whale moves into one of the swiss cantons, he can negotiate (using a lawyer) with the canton how much money he will bring in, what is the tax rate and get a path to eventual residency (GC type thing also).

pretty smoothly oiled machinery they have going there
http://www.internationalman.com/article ... witzerland
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Philip wrote:The State Dept. has reverted to linking India and Pak in one desk.The pro-Paki jokers in the US establishment cannot get enough of their fix from Pak.Hence the thought that they could control both India and Pak better by having a joint desk in their foreign policy. The Modi regime should take serious note of this development and ignore the paens of praise that might emanate from some MEA mandarins predisposed heavily in favour of kowtowing to Uncle Sam.
The shady buggers were holding back to see if India would bow to US dictates on the climate change as well as other loaded US agreements that they wanted India to sign.

They have finally decided that Modi is not going to crack, despite the many hugs and personal servings of tea.

They will make another effort, this time without the velvet glove, during the forthcoming 2016 Nuclear Security Summit on March 31 and April 1.

The US, like the bania nation it actually is, has only mastered the art of transactional relationships.

they always seem to want a lot of quid but offer very little quo in return
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NRao wrote:
nandakumar wrote: There is one already right here in Ahmedabad. It is a SEZ for financial industry. It is called Global International Financial Tec-City or GIFT, for short. Right now it is just two buildings. But the promoters want it to rival Singapore and a whole lot of other tax havens.
Even over the years the idea has not caught on. Lack of vision at the national level - which seems to be the problem in India, too fragmented.
That is a very tall order. S'pore is a city state that was ruled, not so much governed, for a long time. It would take a very strong single hand to induce discipline. For academic purposes, just check out the differences between India and S'pore on the "Smart City" front. Night and day. It is what it is.
How about - a wrong location. Full stop. GIFT is located in a very unconnected place. While 'not worshipping Modi' is borderline heresy in the opinion of many, just to ensure his pet project is implemented, the Japanese funded Mumbai-Ahmedabad High speed rail is being forced down our collective throats. At what costs though? There is no reason other than to encourage the multitudes of traders who work in Mumbai Business district to move to Gujarat, into GIFT.

Its idiotic to expect the Singapur, Hong Kong, Dubai model will be replicated going forward. These are eastern outposts of crony capitalism to extract resources from the east to benefit the elites in the west.

Of topic but my last on this.
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vayu tuvan wrote:
Singha wrote:american exceptionalism in fully play

The World’s Favorite New Tax Haven Is the United States
Moving money out of the usual offshore secrecy havens and into the U.S. is a brisk new business.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/ ... ted-states
But the US is going to extract every last penny of tax and some from these assets. Moreover they have the muscle to backstop the enforcers.
The only muscle is the SWIFT payment system. What if the world switches to another open source system? There is a difference between 'what US expects' and 'what US will expect' when the time comes.
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Its idiotic to expect the Singapur, Hong Kong, Dubai model will be replicated going forward. These are eastern outposts of crony capitalism to extract resources from the east to benefit the elites in the west.
I agree. The problem with India is Indians. Solve that problem and every problem India has will be solved. There is, IMHO, absolutely no need for Indians to rely on any outside entity for help, with perhaps the exception of some short term assistance. Will power is all that is needed, not even funds.
Trump or Sanders?
I have started a *special prayer* for the future of the world, not just the US.
The only muscle is the SWIFT payment system
I was familiar with SWIFT and XML, turns out it is now a language - but, from Apple, which has made it some sort of a std for their own sake.

India - like China - is large enough to break out on her own. Matter of will. And, India should start her own OS, computer language, etc - to benefit her own people.
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I would like to keep aside the world of politics and post this article, revived by the BBC from 2015. Hopefully it will be a lone spot of inspiration to some youngsters in India.

How Indian leadership Built Google
By Nick Clayton

10 September 2015

Editors Note: We bring back this story first published in September 2015 as a reminder of the brainpower behind this giant firm.

Google was born with an Indian at its heart.

In 1998 at Stanford University, the internet giant’s two founders, graduate students Sergey Brin and Larry Page, alongside academics Terry Winograd and Rajeev Motwani, developed an algorithm that revolutionised web search and created a multibillion dollar company.

Even now, Motwani, who taught Google's first ever employee, Craig Silverstein, at university, is talked of in the same hushed tones as new Google CEO, 43-year-old Sundar Pichai. Both men are described as intellectually brilliant and driven, yet also possessing a sense of humility — traits increasingly associated with top Indian execs. And both studied at Indian Institutes of Technology before continuing their postgraduate education in the US.

If you've grown up in India you instinctively know people are different, not superior, just different.

Making the move abroad wasn't easy for Pichai, the son of an engineer in the southern city of Chennai. His plane ticket to America cost more than his father's annual salary and for six months he couldn't afford to phone his future wife whom he had met while studying in India.

By the time he joined Google in 2004, he had worked at both management consultant, McKinsey and microprocessor supplier Applied Materials. Pichai rose to prominence as the architect of Google's phenomenally successful Chrome browser and has long been tipped for a top post.

A paradigm shift


His ascent came as the global tech industry fell out of love with the egocentric, abrasive and often divisive style of many of its CEOs, who used deliberate confrontation to improve quality, competitiveness and productivity between individual employees, teams and rival firms. The current fashion, though, has shifted to a style of management that isn’t so much better at handling confrontation as it is avoiding it in the first place. And it's a sort of emollient style that some of this next generation of Indian executives are seen to possess.

It was one of the reasons why Microsoft made Satya Nadellaits its third CEO, replacing Steve Ballmer. He wasn't the only Indian executive in demand. Japanese telecoms multinational SoftBank also brought in Google executive Nikesh Arora as its president. Adobe is run by Shantanu Narayen. Francisco D'Souza heads giant IT consultancy Cognizant. And Sanjay Mehrotra leads computer memory giant SanDisk.

And it isn’t just at global technology companies where Indians are taking the lead. Ivan Menezes is the CEO of Diageo, the world's largest producer of alcoholic spirits. MasterCard's boss is Ajay Banga. And PepsiCo is led by Indra Nooyi, one of the only high profile Indian female leaders to rise to the top recently.

The secret to their success goes far beyond their ability to climb the corporate ladder. Indians now make up around 6% of the Silicon Valley workforce. But, from that 6% come the founders of more than 15% of Silicon Valley start-ups.

That's more than those from Britain, China, Taiwan and Japan combined, according to a 2014 study by Professor Vivek Wadhwa, the Indian-born entrepreneur who holds academic positions in US universities: Singularity, Stanford and Duke. In the US as a whole, the study shows, almost a third of start-ups are launched by Indians, outnumbering the next seven immigrant groups combined.

According to 2010 census data, the most recent figures available, Indian Americans have the highest average annual household income of any group at $86,135 compared with $51,914 for the total US population.

Cream of the crop

So, what makes this group of Indians so phenomenally successful?

Some elements are obvious. Other US immigrants have to learn to speak a new language. But almost all higher education in India is conducted in English, a legacy of the country's colonial past.

The ability to leverage diversity is a strength here in Silicon Valley, where, if you can get more revenue or deliver a better product it doesn't matter what you look like or how you speak.

The current crop of Indian CEOs also represent the cream their generation, according to venture capitalist Venktesh Shukla, who is president of the Silicon Valley branch of networking organisation The Indus Entrepreneurs.

"They mostly came here in the days of socialism in India when opportunities were very limited and United States immigration policy only let in the most highly qualified," he said. "So what you have here is the best of the best."

Understanding diversity

But it’s not all about academic qualifications.

Shukla also believes that Indian culture can help create a successful management paradigm because he says it's a nation that places high value on both competition and individual humility. Diversity is also ingrained in a country where even in small villages there may be multiple languages spoken, several religions and more than one type of local cuisine.

"If you've grown up in India you instinctively know people are different, not superior, just different. The ability to leverage diversity is a strength here in Silicon Valley where if you can get more revenue or deliver a better product it doesn't matter what you look like or how you speak."

Gurnek Bains, founder and chairman of a global business psychology consultancy YSC and author of Cultural DNA: The Psychology of Globalization added that this ingrained understanding of diversity also comes from the Indian traditions of multiple gods, multiple realities and multiple perspectives.

"It also means they can engage the ambiguity of a fast-changing world in industries such as IT," said Bains, whose company carries out in-depth assessments of business leaders around the world. Bains suggested that Americans are more likely “to think: ‘This is the right way of doing things. It works in America.’ ”

The research, based on content analysis of YSC's assessments of 200 executives from each of the world's regions, also revealed that Indians have a strong will to achieve and, are unusually strong in the intellectual domain, Bains said.

Still, no one is perfect. For all their strengths, there is a major flaw. "Indian executives are the weakest of any country when it comes to teamwork," according to the research Bains said, of an area where Americans and Europeans do well.

The path forward

For now, it seems the best path to the top of the executive or entrepreneurial tree might be rooted in India and finished abroad. And those Indian executives who do best at multinational companies, Bains added, are those who've spent a long time outside their home country developing their teamwork skills.

“Kids all over India are looking at the new CEOs of Microsoft and Google, the two brands they use most, and they're Indian,” said Wadhwa, who first made his name as an Indian-born tech entrepreneur in America. “This is motivating and inspiring those kids to become like them.”

But soon they may not need to travel to the US to emulate their success, Wadhwa continued, as by one measure India becomes the third-largest economy in the world after the US and China.

Unlike their predecessors, today’s young generation may just want to stay put.

“In next three to five years in India, half a billion people are going to be coming online using smartphones. You're going to see a tech revolution there. You're going to see dozens of billion dollar companies coming out of India,” he said. “If I was an entrepreneur I wouldn't come to America. I'd stay in India right now because that's where the opportunities are.
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Hyphen s

Who is afraid of 'hyphenated' US policies?
What an erstwhile American diplomat and South Asia hand Robin Raphel once said still holds true -- it takes no time at all to raise dust in New Delhi. Indians are a prickly lot.

Why else should we get excited that rumours have appeared in Washington that there might be a reorganisation of work in the US State Department and the office of the Special Representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan (SRAP) could revert to the Bureau of South and Central Asia (BSCA)?

Foreign offices the world over reorganise their departmental work in tune with requirements of policies or sheer efficiency. South Block had a Pakistan Division once, which later became AP Division (Afghanistan-Pakistan), still later Pak-Iraf Division and down the line the IPA Division (Iran-Pakistan-Afghanistan).

It is currently known as PIA (Pakistan-Iran-Afghanistan) Division. Did the whimsical changes mean radical shifts in Indian policies towards those three countries?

Why should it concern us if US Ssecretary of State John Kerry wants the SRAP to merge with the BSCA?

Actually, it seems an act of downgrading the SRAP and could be a prelude to its winding up. The SRAP has been downgraded anyway since its halcyon days when the late Richard Holbrooke held the job. It stands much diminished today, and the new quadrilateral mechanism (comprising Afghanistan, Pakistan, US and China) may replace it.

The top priorities of Washington's India policies have been on extracting better access to the Indian market for US business and boosting American exports (civilian and military), co-opting India into the US' 'pivot' strategy in Asia, and promoting India-Pakistan normalisation (which helps the US' regional strategy.)

These priorities are for the long-term and will not change with the merger of the SRAP with the South and Central Asia bureau.

When the SRAP was created, Washington wanted to mandate Holbrooke to work on conflict resolution on the broader Afghan-Pakistani-Indian canvas. But India suspected, rightly so.

It would have been a matter of time before a hyperactive diplomat like Holbrooke wandered into the Kashmir Valley and created headaches.

Washington understood the Indian sensitivities and limited Holbrooke's mandate to the AfPak region. Which was, really speaking, not a difficult thing to do because Holbrooke's focused mission at that point in time related to kickstarting a dialogue with the Taliban leading to an Afghan settlement riveted on Afghan-Pakistan entente.

India was peripheral to Holbrook's brief. Besides, he wouldn't risked annoying Pakistan by engaging the Indians.

Clearly, much has changed since then. India is now overtly keen to gatecrash into the Afghan peace process. If the reorganization of the South and Central Asia Bureau will now help India to consort with the SRAP, we should welcome it.

Then there is the perennial worry in the Indian mind regarding the US 'hyphenating' India and Pakistan. Frankly, this is a completely nonsensical hypothesis. The US has always 'hyphenated' India and Pakistan and it couldn't have been otherwise.

The US is a superpower with vast interests globally and it is inconceivable that Washington can work on any bilateral relationship within a water-tight compartment.

The US-Indian partnership, Sino-US ties, New Cold War -- these are not independent templates of global politics. No doubt, each has own raison d'etre, but these templates also overlap in the lone superpower's global strategies.

Second, US diplomacy always works on the basis of linkages. Washington's diplomacy towards Manila or Hanoi takes into account the tensions between these capitals and Beijing.

By inserting itself into the antipathies between Beijing and Hanoi, or between Beijing and Manila, or into the territorial disputes in the South China Sea, the US is able to advance its regional and bilateral interests in the Asia-Pacific in a cost-effective manner.

The India-Pakistan tensions are no different insofar as it is in the US' self-interests to insert itself into the role of an intermediary. The point is, despite India's professed aversion toward US mediation, it never really shut the door on an American role in keeping tensions with Pakistan under check.

Of course, the ultimate hope is that Washington will join hands with India to 'isolate' Pakistan and pile pressure on it.

On the other hand, Washington regards Pakistan as an irreplaceable interlocutor/partner in many areas vital to the geopolitics of the Central Asian, West Asian regions and constantly seeks to strengthen its leverage with Islamabad, especially with the military leadership.

Unsurprisingly, Washington cannot remain indifferent to Pakistan's tensions with India, Pakistani sensitivities over India's perceived 'hegemony' or Islamabad's keenness for US mediation.

It becomes a challenge to Washington to maintain balanced relationships with India and Pakistan that would upset neither or create misgivings.

However, if the US has largely managed to do the balancing act, it is largely because there is an uncanny similarity in the DNA of the Pakistani and Indian elites. Both elites seek defining partnerships with Washington.

Suffice it to say, the angst that the US may 'hyphenate' its ties with New Delhi and Rawalpindi is borne out of delusionary thinking that the US is committed to build up India as the pre-eminent regional power and eventually a global power.

It betrays lack of self-confidence, since India's destiny is ultimately its own for the making.

Ambassador M K Bhadrakumar is one of the world's leading experts on Afghanistan
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Panduranghari: It is not just the software that is important - their contracts for archival are the most valued part of the equation. It is the organization and legal linkages that make that happen. SWIFT the organization is here to stay. One center is in culpepper and another at la hulpe, Belgium. Culpepper has been chosen very carefully. SWIFT was setup and funded by all the major banks.
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NRao wrote:
The only muscle is the SWIFT payment system
I was familiar with SWIFT and XML, turns out it is now a language - but, from Apple, which has made it some sort of a std for their own sake.

India - like China - is large enough to break out on her own. Matter of will. And, India should start her own OS, computer language, etc - to benefit her own people.
Two different unrelated things

https://www.swift.com/standards/about-iso-20022

vs

https://developer.apple.com/swift/
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SWIFT is an acronym. It stand for Society for Worldwide Inter-bank Financial Transactions.
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However, if the US has largely managed to do the balancing act, it is largely because there is an uncanny similarity in the DNA of the Pakistani and Indian elites.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Abhadrakuman in his usual psychotic rants probably let out more than he wished to.

Hasn't this point been made time and again on BRF? Could Abhadrakumar be a BRF lurking RAA agint.. :D
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The Asia pivot strategy was a Rumsfield idea as thought China was a peer competitor to US after FSU collapse.
This got detailed with 9/11 and Iraq invasion and getting stuck there.
So since US was getting out of Af-Pak the pivot in Asia is resumption of old strategy. Also keeps people busy.
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Well .......................... PACOM is *also* hyphenating. They are supposed to get Af-Pak under their wing. That should be good news for India. And, then let DoD handle State. With the Congress also getting up to speed, it could be a very interesting ride.
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NRao wrote:Hyphen s

Who is afraid of 'hyphenated' US policies?
What an erstwhile American diplomat and South Asia hand Robin Raphel once said still holds true -- it takes no time at all to raise dust in New Delhi. Indians are a prickly lot.

Why else should we get excited that rumours have appeared in Washington that there might be a reorganisation of work in the US State Department and the office of the Special Representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan (SRAP) could revert to the Bureau of South and Central Asia (BSCA)?
Sounds like a strawman argument. Per the lone Hindu article, GoI didn't seem to have responded beyond saying "internal matter", not sure why MKB thinks Delhi is 'excited' and builds up such a narrative and counters it. The Hindu article was based on quotes from only Shiv Shankar Menon, who is retired, and some unnamed officials. And no other news articles show up on a Google search, save some Paki sites. Now, the latter may be excited, perhaps even salivating at this. Equal equal and all that.
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panduranghari wrote:The only muscle is the SWIFT payment system. What if the world switches to another open source system? There is a difference between 'what US expects' and 'what US will expect' when the time comes.
The US & EU together account for just under 50% of the world's GDP. Add in Japan, Canada, Australia, South Korea, Mexico, Switzerland, Norway etc. and that figure rises to close to 75% of the global GDP.

SWIFT isn't going anywhere.
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My prediction - Hillary-Sanders goes to the wire (edge to Sanders). Rubio gets the Republican nomination.
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The Globalists will never allow outsiders like Sanders and Trump to come anywhere near the presidency. One of their favourites will always be the President. Jeb Bush was the anointed heir. However since he has floundered, backup candidate, Ted Cruz is now being allowed to win to remove Trump from the race. When Trump exits, expect media noise about Cruz being a Canadian being raised to allow Jeb to come back. I think Trump made a mistake by not attending the last debate out of over confidence.
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ShankarCag wrote:The Globalists will never allow outsiders like Sanders and Trump to come anywhere near the presidency. One of their favourites will always be the President. Jeb Bush was the anointed heir. However since he has floundered, backup candidate, Ted Cruz is now being allowed to win to remove Trump from the race. When Trump exits, expect media noise about Cruz being a Canadian being raised to allow Jeb to come back. I think Trump made a mistake by not attending the last debate out of over confidence.

IT was always going to be tight in IA. JB will last till SC. He will bow down after that. Cruz could be the nominee except none of the republicans like him besides he is losing NC and SC by huge margins..atleast as of now.

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was trump leading in the polls in iowa...is this a upset ?
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Can we please discuss the election in the understanding thread? It's a long campaign as usual and the nitty gritties of the state primaries are not relevant to India US relations.
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arshyam wrote:Can we please discuss the election in the understanding thread? It's a long campaign as usual and the nitty gritties of the state primaries are not relevant to India US relations.
+1001. This US election campaign BS is one long, US-centric expensive media/entertainment circus of absolutely no relevance to India US relations. And of course, we can be rest assured some DDM reporter is watching with rapt attention, and the first mention of India by one of the competing clowns will be flashed across DDM (like Trump making a passing statement about India). Point being that if at all this circus has any impact on India US relations, we will hear about it.
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Viv S wrote: The US & EU together account for just under 50% of the world's GDP. Add in Japan, Canada, Australia, South Korea, Mexico, Switzerland, Norway etc. and that figure rises to close to 75% of the global GDP.

SWIFT isn't going anywhere.
SWIFT isn't going anywhere- and I do not disagree.

Why were Iranian assets unfrozen now? Its because Iran has been given access to ESPO. ESPO is a rival to SWIFT. It permits Iran to bypass the US sanctions.

Vahan Hakobian is the Prime Minister of EU.

This is what he said yesterday.

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The main reason why the assortment of countries that you have quoted use SWIFT is because the international transactions are settled in dollars. And if you have not noticed, there is a calamitous (for the USA) drop in the bilateral transactions that are dollar denominated. The latest example being OIL. Without OIL, eurodollar is a dodo.
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between 2001 to 2011, the dollars share of international trade settlement held steady in mid 80s
euro in mid 30s, japan around 20, pound around 12....out of sum=200, these 4 alone were 150.
see page 10 https://www.wto.org/english/res_e/reser ... 1210_e.pdf

however cheen has surged strongly and crossed the euro into #2 place now.
http://www.ibtimes.com/yuan-overtakes-e ... ft-1492476
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Donald Trump for president. He is as much outsider of the Beltway as Modi was out of Lutyens Zone!!
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panduranghari wrote:SWIFT isn't going anywhere- and I do not disagree.

Why were Iranian assets unfrozen now? Its because Iran has been given access to ESPO. ESPO is a rival to SWIFT. It permits Iran to bypass the US sanctions.

Vahan Hakobian is the Prime Minister of EU.
:shock:

First, the SWIFT isn't an American system. As a matter of fact, it originated in Europe and was adopted by the US several years later.

Second, the sanctions on Iran have been lifted and from Feb 1, Iranian banks have re-entered the SWIFT system.

Third, ESPO stands for East Siberia Pacific Ocean and is the name of a pipeline constructed by Russia to ferry crude to its East Coast.

Fourth, the European Union doesn't have a prime minister. The European Commission & Parliament are each headed by a President.
The main reason why the assortment of countries that you have quoted use SWIFT is because the international transactions are settled in dollars. And if you have not noticed, there is a calamitous (for the USA) drop in the bilateral transactions that are dollar denominated. The latest example being OIL. Without OIL, eurodollar is a dodo.
Only two energy exporters are diversifying from the Euro-dollar. Iran & Russia. Which together account for less than 15% of the daily global oil output.
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panduranghari wrote:Vahan Hakobian is the Prime Minister of EU.

This is what he said yesterday.

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Lets just be thankful he wasn't selling a bridge.
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Ted Cruz was born in Canada. How is he even eligible to be POTUS?
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KJo wrote:Ted Cruz was born in Canada. How is he even eligible to be POTUS?
His mother is a US citizen, who was in Canada when she delivered. He has the option of selecting his nationality. He can also opt for dual citizenship, but then he cannot run for he presidency.
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KJo wrote:Ted Cruz was born in Canada. How is he even eligible to be POTUS?
Interesting question. Surprisingly George Romney (ran against Nixon) was born in Mexico and John McCain (ran against Obama) in Panama.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... nt-update/
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As long as at least one of the parent was US citizen at time of birth, citizens are considered natural-born rather than naturalized citizens. Presidential candidates cannot be naturalized citizens and none of them were. Raising questions about Ted Cruz's birthplace was a dickmove by Trump's campaign strategists.
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Viv S wrote:
panduranghari wrote:Vahan Hakobian is the Prime Minister of EU.

This is what he said yesterday.

http://i385.photobucket.com/albums/oo29 ... rasalv.png
http://i.imgur.com/a5bqRap.jpg

Lets just be thankful he wasn't selling a bridge.
Is this guy for real? One of his many tweets, a gem:
I recognize still the Crimea as part of the Russian Federation.
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