shiv wrote:In my view if you measure the "amount of problem" caused by US sponsorship of Pakistan in that last 60 years and compare with Chinese aid to Pakistan - I would rate the US's influence as being 80% versus China's 20%.
It really depends on the period in question. From 1965 to 1981 Chinese influence was enormous since US aid was on hold.
The same again from 1990 until 2001.
China is of course the country from which Pakistan obtained a working nuclear weapon design, its current plutonium breeding reactor, ring magnets for its centrifuges, etc. It is also the country that provided it much of its surface to surface missile systems, whether ballistic or cruise.
In short, they were the ones who provided the strategic deterrent that makes it so hard for any country to make Pakistan behave, whether its the Americans, Indians, Soviets or Iranians.
Of course this deterrent was paid for by the Saudis who think or hope they now have a proxy deterrent.
One can argue about the basis of this figure but changing the focus to China in 2011 and saying China is to blame is a cop out that I have serious issues with.
... That apart a simple look at economic figures from just 2001 to 2010 - you find the US giving Pakistan unilateral and unselfish "aid" worth over 3 billion USD a year - of which half is to the military - in addition to "coalition support funds". China OTOH has a trade surplus. There is no comparison. The US is and will remain a problem.
I wouldn't 'misunderestimate' China's economic influence. In many places in the third world Chinese aid, investment and trade now dwarfs that of the West. That change came about very rapidly in the 2000s.
Here is a quote, which even apart from the Pakistani tendency to inflation, and the differences between pledges and contracts should still be taken seriously;
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/LL21Df01.html
KARACHI - Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao left Islamabad on Sunday after a three-day official visit that included a commitment to invest about US$20 billion in Pakistan within the next three years and further agreement on private-sector trade deals worth about $15 billion.