Bharat Rakshak

surinder wrote: I do not want to appear as a defender or an admirer, but I am merely pointing out the experience and strengths of an adversary, something we should not ignore.

Coming back to the topic, think of it this way. Here is an intel agency of pakjabis, a semi-literate group of country bumpkins with no tradition of valor. They have the fearsom Pathans eating out of their hands. They managed a complex relationship with CIA and kept the focus on their needs and goals. They engaged KSA's GID. From them they extracted money & arms to the tune of one billion dollars a year. They took on USSR's Red Army in a covert war. They engaged with the Chinese agencies. They managed a world-wide network of izalamic insurgents which waged the biggest atankvadi network known to man. They harbored the most wanted man 50 miles from their capital. This is in addition to their links with British MI6.

That is some serious pedigree in underground dark world of spying.

Admitting massive cash inflows to the Valley, a senior state police officer says that the bulk of the illegal funds meant for Wahhabi groups and other hardline factions are physically transferred across the Line of Control and and at the trading station in Uri in the form of hard currency-both real and fake Indian currency notes-taking advantage of the barter trade being permitted between J&K and Pakistan-Occupied Kashmir. "Checks by customs officers are at best cursory. There are no X-ray machines and other standard international border control equipment. The army merely observes the goings-on," he says. The officer adds that it is impossible to quantify the smuggled funds and that no agency-Central or state-has made any effort to do so.

chaanakya wrote:According to the report, Military Intelligence (MI) Directorate had informed the government on June 6, 2005 that India was planning to construct the Nimoo-Bazgo hydroelectric project, which would be completed by 2010. The report also divulged that Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) further informed the government on July 25 2005 that the Indian Prime Minister Dr Manmohan Singh has visited Leh, Kargil and Siachen Glacier on June 11, 2005 and laid the foundation stone of Nimoo-Bazgo and Chutak hydroelectric power plants. Similarly, the ISI on September 7, 2005 shared information about the visit of the Indian prime minister to Siachen and Kargil.

Mahendra wrote:Puke worthy video on what the worthies in Bwood have to say about Paa'stan

shravan wrote:Taliban pledge not to target security forces
http://www.geo.tv/GeoDetail.aspx?ID=29800

PESHAWAR: On the directive of their supreme leader Mulla Mohammad OmarGeneral Kiyani, the Afghan and Pakistani Taliban on Sunday formed a joint five-member Shura or council with Pakistani militant organisations, making a pledge to stop their fight against their own armed forces and instead focus their attention against the US-led forces in Afghanistan.

VIEW: Are we producing bogus PhDs? —Abbas Zaidi

The thesis has many irrelevant and baseless claims and observations. For example, we learn: “The reason Hindus could not colonise other countries was because their religion forbids overseas journey. But those nations which had monopolised sea trade colonised India” (page 7). This has nothing to do with the nature of the study. Another gem: “Islamic culture is as ancient (‘qadeem’) as the human race. It started with Hazrat Adam [RA], the first prophet, and was completed by Hazrat Mohammad (PBUH), the last prophet” (page 10). What is the evidence for this claim? What are the sources? But disdaining evidence or sources, the scholar pushes on like a bulldozer: “Hazrat Adam [RA] was the first citizen (‘shehri’) who set the Islamic way of living before us” (page 10). Who told him so?

The scholar praises Hajjaj bin Yusuf for conquering Balochistan after diplomatic efforts to annex it failed. He calls Hajjaj ‘ghaiyur’ and ‘bavaqar’ (honourable) for conquering Balochistan by force. However, the real blitzkrieg is set aside for the Sikhs: “After Ranjit Singh’s death, his eldest son Kharak Singh succeeded him. Ranjit Singh had been able to rein in a wild and savage (‘ujjarr aur vehshi’) nation like the Sikhs. But after his death all the limits of their savagery were broken” (page110). No evidence is given, no sources quoted: Sikhs are wild and savage because the scholar thinks so!

There is a very strange anti-kafir (infidel) statement. The scholar says: “Most of the Baloch sardars sided with the English to rid themselves of the cruel and kafir Sikhs and their Hindu accomplices” (page 111). But the English were kafir too, and later he denounces them for their anti-Islamic acts.
When it comes to discussing the Baloch culture from an Islamic criterion, the thesis becomes exceedingly ridiculous. Although I can write at least 100 pages on the poverty of scholarship on this aspect, I will stop here because it is a very sensitive issue and one should keep mum because blasphemy...you know what I mean. However, I was greatly amused to read one citation that claims that once Hazrat Hamzah (RA) — the Prophet’s (PBUH) uncle — met a fairy in a desert and by Allah’s command (‘hukm-e-Illahi’) he laid with her (without getting married) and later she bore him a child who, according to some sources, was the fountainhead of the Baloch.

Acharya wrote:Drop this discussion around buddism this way. Just focus on any indic religion is sufficient

Jhujar wrote:The best solution to solve gas and Bijli shortage is to sell them Channas and open huge Langar in Lahore.

negi wrote:^ This should go to Shiv ji't thread in GDF ; this Indian trait to not call spade a spade in public actually has deeper(deepel than the himalayas I say) connotions.

Btw if I were to call it out ; the fact is people do not call out TSP and it's acts in public because they somehow link disparaging TSP with berating Islam and hence IMs; obviously chankians and intellectuals in India too share this baggage.

What is proper in Indian relationships is contextuality based on time, Place, nature of the hierarchical relationship. Thus an Indian tends to say one thing to one person and something quite different to another on the same topic. Westernrs who assume universal laws and a universal human nature can look quite askance at this.

The thesis has many irrelevant and baseless claims and observations. For example, we learn: “The reason Hindus could not colonise other countries was because their religion forbids overseas journey. But those nations which had monopolised sea trade colonised India” (page 7). This has nothing to do with the nature of the study. Another gem: “Islamic culture is as ancient (‘qadeem’) as the human race. It started with Hazrat Adam [RA], the first prophet, and was completed by Hazrat Mohammad (PBUH), the last prophet” (page 10). What is the evidence for this claim? What are the sources? But disdaining evidence or sources, the scholar pushes on like a bulldozer: “Hazrat Adam [RA] was the first citizen (‘shehri’) who set the Islamic way of living before us” (page 10). Who told him so?

The scholar praises Hajjaj bin Yusuf for conquering Balochistan after diplomatic efforts to annex it failed. He calls Hajjaj ‘ghaiyur’ and ‘bavaqar’ (honourable) for conquering Balochistan by force. However, the real blitzkrieg is set aside for the Sikhs: “After Ranjit Singh’s death, his eldest son Kharak Singh succeeded him. Ranjit Singh had been able to rein in a wild and savage (‘ujjarr aur vehshi’) nation like the Sikhs. But after his death all the limits of their savagery were broken” (page110). No evidence is given, no sources quoted: Sikhs are wild and savage because the scholar thinks so!

WASHINGTON: Pakistan’s new ambassador to the United States, Sherry Rehman, will arrive here on Jan 9 to occupy a position vacated by her controversial predecessor Husain Haqqani.Diplomatic sources told Dawn that the US State Department sent its agreement to the Pakistan Embassy in Washington earlier this week and the embassy planned to send it to Islamabad on Tuesday.“Once the documents arrive there, it will take a day or two to complete the formalities,” said a diplomatic source while confirming that Ambi Rehman was arriving in Washington next Monday.Diplomatic courtesy requires that before a state sends a new envoy, it must first ascertain whether the proposed appointee is acceptable to the host country.The receiving state conveys its acquiescence by granting its agreement to the appointment. It is unusual for an agreement to be refused, but it occasionally happens.Arriving in Washington, however, was least of Ms Rehman’s worries. The US State Department had already said they knew her and “certainly look(ed) forward to working together with her.”The problem revolves around efforts to rebuild “a strong, cooperative relationship between our two countries”, as thedepartment’s spokesman Mark Toner said while welcoming her appointment.She comes at a time when US-Pakistan relations are at their lowest.The US Congress has slapped new restrictions on aid to Pakistan and President Barack Obama has signed the bill containing these restrictions into a law, although secretaries of state and defence can still maintain the flow of aid to Pakistan by certifying that Islamabad making efforts to curb the use of IEDs.Diplomatic observers in Washington say that this and other developments leave a very narrow space for Ms Rehman to operate.They argue that her success or failure would depend mostly on relations between the US and Pakistani defence establishments, an area where she will have limited influence.

Dera Ismail Khan: Prominent al qaeda and Afghan Taliban fighters asked Pakistani militants in a pair of rare meetings to set aside their differences and step up support for the battle against US-led forces in Afghanistan, militant commanders said on Monday.

The meetings were held in Pakistan's tribal region in November and December at the request of the Afghan Taliban's leadership council. They could indicate the militants are struggling in Afghanistan, or conversely, that they want to make sure they hit US forces hard as the Americans accelerate their withdrawal this year. That could give the Taliban {and Pakistan} additional leverage in any peace negotiations.

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan Railways (PR) is believed to have adopted an unclear technical evaluation process in the procurement of 150 locomotives and framed specifications to favour a US supplier, it was reliably learnt.

According to an official familiar with the development, the technical specification and evaluation criteria were “carved to favour a particular manufacturer.”

Ayaz Sadiq, Chairman, Parliamentary Committee on Railways, smelled a rat in the procurement process when former general managers of the organisation suddenly refused to continue with the scrutiny of the bidding process. Sadiq expressed his apprehensions by stating, “Some hidden force has threatened these honest and competent officials to distance themselves from the process.”

Beijing: Pakistan has conveyed to China its concern over the supply of substandard rail engines to it after the issue created a furore back home.

One year ago, Pakistan was shaken when leading politician Salman Taseer was murdered by his own bodyguard. His violent death and the lack of government response were merely the beginning of a turbulent year for the country. Writer Ahmed Rashid considers whether Pakistan can step back from the brink in 2012.

The death of Salman Taseer, governor of Punjab province, now appears as both the start and the symbol of the political, economic and social unravelling of Pakistan that has taken place since that fateful 4 January day.

The gruesome aftermath of his death, when the governing Pakistan People's Party, the army, the mullahs and civil society appeared to deny the reality of what had happened, made many Pakistanis ashamed of their rulers.

pankajs wrote:Can Pakistan step back from the brink?

One year ago, Pakistan was shaken when leading politician Salman Taseer was murdered by his own bodyguard. His violent death and the lack of government response were merely the beginning of a turbulent year for the country. Writer Ahmed Rashid considers whether Pakistan can step back from the brink in 2012.

The death of Salman Taseer, governor of Punjab province, now appears as both the start and the symbol of the political, economic and social unravelling of Pakistan that has taken place since that fateful 4 January day.

The gruesome aftermath of his death, when the governing Pakistan People's Party, the army, the mullahs and civil society appeared to deny the reality of what had happened, made many Pakistanis ashamed of their rulers.

Pakistanis are always proud of their rulers. How else is it possible that TSPA, after having having lost 4 wars with India and having lost Half the country in 1971, still have so much support within the country. It is only the outsiders who are trying to create an alternate reality, including some Indians.

The faith-fools never step back. The only way is to move forward.

Perhaps it might be more accurate to think of it as two militaries. The first is headed by Gen. Kayani. It seeks to maintain the status quo and the Armys preeminence in making national decisions. The second is Allahs army. This awaits a leader even as it launches attacks on Pakistani military installations, bases, top-level officers, soldiers, public places, mosques, and police stations. Soldiers have been encouraged to turn their guns on to their colleagues, troops have been tricked into ambushes, and high-level officers have been assassinated. Allahs army hopes to launch its final blitzkrieg once the state of Pakistan has been sufficiently weakened by such attacks.

What separates Army-One and ISI-One from Army-Two and ISI-Two? This may not be immediately evident. Both were reared on the Two-Nation Theory, the belief of Mr. Mohammed Ali Jinnah, that Hindus and Muslims could never live together in peace. Both are thoroughly steeped in anti-Indianism since their early days in army cadet colleges at Petaro and Hasan Abdal. They also share a deep rooted contempt for Pakistani civilians. This attitude has resulted in roughly half of Pakistans history being that of direct military rule.

Still, they are not the same. The Oneers are soft Islamists who are satisfied with a fuzzy belief that Islam provides solutions to everything, that occasional prayers and ritual fasting in Ramzan is sufficient, and that Sufis and Shias are bonafide Muslims rather than mushriks or apostates. They are not particularly interested in defending the Sunni states of Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, or the GCC. But should a lucrative overseas posting come the way of an individual soldier or officer, well, that may be another matter. While having a dislike of US policies, they are not militantly anti-US.

Army-Two and ISI-Two, on the other hand, are soldier ideologues who have traveled further down the road of Islamism. Large numbers of them regularly travel to Raiwind, the headquarters of the Tablighi Jamaat, a supposedly non-political religious organization which has a global proselytizing mission and whose preachers are allowed open access into the Army. The Twoers are stricter in matters of religious rituals, they insist that officers and their wives be segregated at army functions. They keep an eye out for officers who secretly drink alcohol, and how often they pray.

Virupaksha wrote:Aman ki Asha
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/saud ... 65660.html

Admitting massive cash inflows to the Valley, a senior state police officer says that the bulk of the illegal funds meant for Wahhabi groups and other hardline factions are physically transferred across the Line of Control and and at the trading station in Uri in the form of hard currency-both real and fake Indian currency notes-taking advantage of the barter trade being permitted between J&K and Pakistan-Occupied Kashmir. "Checks by customs officers are at best cursory. There are no X-ray machines and other standard international border control equipment. The army merely observes the goings-on," he says. The officer adds that it is impossible to quantify the smuggled funds and that no agency-Central or state-has made any effort to do so.

shiv wrote:So Hudoodbhoy is asking that since Pakis have got themselves into this right mess - India now needs to rescue them. Why should India rescue them? because India will have more and more violence from Pakistan if we don't. The question I would like o ask Hudoodbhoy is "What if India says fuq you? we will absord all the violence you send across but will not save you"

What will happen to Pakistan then? I mean Pakhanastan is already in deep doodoo. What does deeper in doodoo man?

shiv wrote:It has long been true that a little goodwill and friendship would go a long way in laying the basis for rapprochement between India and Pakistan. But improving relations between the two countries is not an optional extra it has become a matter of survival, particularly for us in Pakistan.

shiv wrote:In fact a state bordering Iran consisting of Baluchistan and Pakstunistan needs to be created with Gwadar as the sea port

shiv wrote:What Pakis do not admit is that the people of Pakhnastan can also be divided into AbdulPaki 1 and AbdulPaki 2

Both AbdulPaki 1 and 2 hate India. But AbdulPaki 2 is Taliban. AbdulPaki 1 needs Islam to take over kafir properties in Pakistan and to say that India is bad, but does not want the strict Islam of AbdulPaki 2. For them should screw kafirs and women, but they should not be personally screwed.

Iran closed the border with Pakistan on Tuesday after Pakistani border guards detained three Iranian military, PakistanToday.com.pk. said.

The Iranian servicemen were pursuing Pakistani border violators in Iran’s province of Baluchestan in the southeast and followed them into Pakistan. After the Iranians crossed the border, two of them were wounded in the fire exchange and one died of sustained wounds. The Pakistani intruders escaped while Pakistani border guards arrested the two Iranians.

pankajs wrote: Pakistanis are always proud of their rulers. How else is it possible that TSPA, after having having lost 4 wars with India and having lost Half the country in 1971, still have so much support within the country. It is only the outsiders who are trying to create an alternate reality, including some Indians.