Bharat Rakshak

As the endgame in Afghanistan draws near, strategists in Islamabad have decided in principle to remain closely aligned with the Afghan Pashtuns instead of seeking new allies...“It appears as if everyone’s rushing to the exit and, therefore, we need to play our cards wisely to protect our own interests and pre-empt the 1989-like situation,” the official said. The insistence by non-Pashtuns on conditions about acceptance of the Afghan Constitution and renunciation of violence, among others, is being seen by Islamabad as an attempt to keep Taliban, who are opposed to pre-conditions, out of the reconciliation process.

ArmenT wrote:For a second, I thought you'd posted a link to this 400% halal legendary music video.

Anujan wrote:Pakistan firmly casts its lot with the Taliban. This article is remarkable in its frankness and possibly a ISI plant.

http://dawn.com/2012/11/30/pakistan-to- ... -pashtuns/

General Ehtesham Zameer's secret files

Daly Jang carried Saleem Safi's column saying that the clerical leaders of the MMA were seduced by the promise of power after 2002 election. The seducer was ISI's General Ehtesham Zameer who regaled them to big meals and halwa. But one clever cleric managed a peek into the pages of the files the general had on the table as he talked to them. In them he saw the name of PPP (Patriot) whose members had been plucked from the mother party to make up the PMLQ majority. The MMA leaders knew they did not stand a chance in the new setup and walked out after eating halwa.

Rajdeep wrote:IK Gujral passes away.

Chinese experts carrying out a seismic survey to locate hydrocarbon deposits in Badin district to overcome the country’s energy crisis are being harassed, their costly equipment have been damaged and obstacles are being created to stop them from carrying out their work

A Chinese team led by Chinese commercial counsellor Yan Jianming conveyed this information to Sindh chief secretary Raja Mohammad Abbas in a meeting on Thursday

Rajdeep wrote:IK Gujral passes away.

“The metal parts found in a remote area of Dadu, as reported in media today, were part of the motor body, which separated from the missile as planned, well within the safety corridor,” said a statement by the ISPR.

“It was ensured that at no point, would human life or property be at risk. There is no cause for alarm or concern,” the spokesman concluded.

Fear and bewilderment overtook some parts of Dadu district after the mysterious objects fell on a number of villages late on Wednesday, the Dawn newspaper had reported.

The biggest fragment weighing 187 kilograms fell on a ground in Allah Jurio Lund village, 30 kilometres from Dadu. Other pieces fell on Pir Mashaikh, Shehak Rodnani and Khandhani villages.

SSridhar wrote: I think the missile veered off course.

Suppiah wrote:Re: Gujral

Always true to the land of his birth, a patriot to the core....TSP should mourn its son...

A US drone fired two missiles at suspected militants in the restive South Waziristan tribal region of Pakistan though there were no casualties, officials said today.

The second factor is cognitive dissonance. Let me tell you a pisko story. So I met a motorma from across the border whose calling in life is to propound and propagate "Islamic feminism".

I am neither against Islam nor against Feminism, but certainly against Islamic Feminism -- which tries to argue that feminist principles can be derived from Islam which is a load of bull. Instead of splitting our hair about nuances in each, lets use a sledgehammer. Radical Feminism encourages and supports Lesbianism as a matter of choice for women. Islam is against it and recommends women are waji-bull-cutlet if they are Lesbians. There you go. How on earth are you going to argue that Lesbianism can be derived from Islamic principles? The proponents of this bullsh1t like "Islamic Feminism" like to argue that things like Burka are for the woman's own welfare, since now women wont be objectified. Which is a moronic argument, because from first principles that Burka is derived, it is also clear that women cant vote either (or should consult and take the advice of their husbands on who to vote for). How can getting husband's permission be reconciled with a philosophy which propounds independent thinking for women?

Instead of trashing her philosophy, I was more interested in finding out why an educated and seemingly smart motorma would propound such bullsh1t. It is because of cognitive dissonance. You are taught a religion and philosophy right from when you are born and are young. You grow up and realize it is completely incompatible with the modern world and incompatible with the values and luxuries you cherish. What do you do then?

1. You can either accept the incompatibility and give up one or the other,
or
2. You can embark on delusional mumbo-jumbo on why they are compatible in the first place.

I think No 2 is what most Pakistanis do in pakistan (pun intended). You get it in the form of "Islamic feminism" and entire country espousing "Islamic Banking", ZAB's "Islamic socialism" and yes Mr Hamdani's "Was Jinnah a man of Unity and Minority rights?"* Trying to reconcile two obviously incompatible beliefs by self delusional and obviously laughable assertions and distortions of truth which they pursue with full passion.


*Even in the case of terrorism, Pakis (and even smart ones like Sethi and Agha) somehow seek to justify it from time to time. Like "natural reaction of people" or "evidence is not enough". They seem to have trouble stomaching the reality that Pakistan government (yes I said government instead of "Retired Rogue ISI working during medical leave of absence") plans and launches terrorist operations by brainwashing unemployed abduls on Islam and Jihad to go kill innocent people from countries all over the world. This is not how civilized countries behave towards their own people and people of other countries. But Sethi and Agha were born and brought up in Pakistan and I am sure have affection and patriotism for their country. So what do you do? You propound some bullsh1t somehow trying to reconcile the love for your country with the barbarity it practices.

The children - aged 12 to 14 - were being transported from Karachi to a city in north Waziristan, near the Pakistan-Afghanistan border, when police arrested them following a tip-off.

...It reports the children, originally from south Waziristan but living in Karachi, confessed to police they were travelling for suicide bomb training.

Khan told CNN the trio and alleged handler Yahya Medsud were brought before an anti-terror court yesterday. The police official said the handler is accused of being part of a gang that recruits young boys for suicide bombing.

kenop wrote:For demanding wages, 5 teenaged girls gang raped in Pakistan by landlords

Five teenaged girls from the same family were gang raped by two landlords and their aides in Pakistan's Punjab province after a relative of the girls asked a landlord to pay him his wages, according to media reports today.

Landlords Mara Jat and Zaheer Jat and their aides tied up labourer Mohammad Boota and his wife and raped the girls, aged between 13 and 18 years, at Kitro in Sheikhupura district yesterday.

Members of Boota's family told the media that the girls were abducted by the landlords and taken into the fields, where they were gang raped.

All the girls were unmarried, police officials said.

The incident occurred after Boota, who had moved to Kitro two weeks ago to work in the fields, demanded his salary from the landlords who had employed him.

The landlords and their aides warned him of dire consequences.

Police have filed an FIR, which quoted Boota as saying that he and his wife managed to free themselves and went to search for the girls.

They found the girls in a field while the landlords and their aides managed to escape.

Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif visited Boota's residence and directed police to immediately arrest all the accused.

He presented cheques to the victim's family and assured them that the accused would be brought to justice.

Police officer Chaudhry Muhammad Iqbal said an initial medical report had confirmed that the girls were raped.

A case has been registered against eight men and three men have been been arrested, he said.

venug wrote:When will Pakistan goes Critical? I cant wait all my lifetime. I feel shias are not really from the TFTA stock, they keep on taking the beating, shame on them, I hope they show their mardangi and go full-frontal on Sunnis of TSP, an eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth.

The biggest fragment weighing 187 kilograms fell on a ground in Allah Jurio Lund village, 30 kilometres from Dadu. Other pieces fell on Pir Mashaikh, Shehak Rodnani and Khandhani villages.

Brahma Chellaney in his book Water: Asia's New Battleground (Harper/Collins 2011) remarks: 'Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi told a national news conference in April 2010 and said: "Is India stealing that water from you? No, it is not. Please do not fool yourself and do not misguide the nation. We are mismanaging that water". Despite his confession, the Pakistani government has continued to spotlight water as a contentious bilateral matter. One possible reason for its raking up the water issue in recent years is that it helps Pakistan to redirect attention away from India's focus on cross-border terrorism emanating from Pakistani territory as the core concern' (p.223).

anupmisra wrote:Another landslide on the Kashmir border with several PA momeens killed or injured or missing. AoA! Yahaan Dabayain

A first landslide hit early Friday, killing the three soldiers, said Raja Saqib Majeed, deputy commissioner of Neelam district, of which Kel is part.

Later in the morning the 10 civilians and eight soldiers made it to the site to search for, he told AFP.

“Another landslide hit this rescue party and they were buried under it,” he added.

The bodies of the three soldiers had been recovered but rescuers were still hunting for the eight soldiers and 10 civilians from the search party, local official Raja Saqib Majeed told AFP.

He said he had come to Pakistan with a message of peace and love

I move here without security and whenever I come to Pakistan I feel at home

About the Pakistani movie Zinda Bhag in which Shah is also acting

A barber shot dead two of his colleagues at the Lahore Elite Force Training Centre

Nasir, who worked at the training centre, was angry over his colleagues due to suspicions that they cast a spell on him through black-magic

Two Broward County brothers born in Pakistan were arrested after the FBI said they took part in a terrorist plot to use explosives against a U.S. target.

The brothers, 20-year-old Raess Alam Qazi and 30-year-old Sheheryar Alam Qazi, have each been charged with one count of conspiracy to use a weapon of mass destruction and one count of conspiracy to provide material support to terrorists.

If convicted, the Qazis face a sentence of up to 15 years in prison on the material support charge, and a potential life sentence on the weapon of mass destruction charge.

MurthyB wrote:

The biggest fragment weighing 187 kilograms fell on a ground in Allah Jurio Lund village, 30 kilometres from Dadu. Other pieces fell on Pir Mashaikh, Shehak Rodnani and Khandhani villages.

“Initial circumstantial evidence suggests that the killing was carried out on sectarian grounds as the couple belonged to the Shia school of thought,” DSP Qamar Ahmed told Dawn.

Exporters further said the cement laden wagons coming from Pakistan were being used for sending commodities from India to Pakistan for export. “Since goods train from Pakistan is not coming to India, we are not getting rail wagons for supply of exports,”

Exporters said that problem of wagon shortage emerged when Pakistan-based traders stopped supplying cement via rail after the recovery of huge consignment of heroin in a cargo train.

Over 140 kg of heroin has been seized during last five months in goods train coming from Pakistan, official sources said.

arun wrote:X Posted from the Oppression of Minorities in Pakistan thread.

Young couple gunned down in ‘sectarian’ attack :

“Initial circumstantial evidence suggests that the killing was carried out on sectarian grounds as the couple belonged to the Shia school of thought,” DSP Qamar Ahmed told Dawn.

anupmisra wrote:Another landslide on the Kashmir border with several PA momeens killed or injured or missing. AoA! Yahaan Dabayain

lakshmikanth wrote:

MurthyB wrote: The biggest fragment weighing 187 kilograms fell on a ground in Allah Jurio Lund village, 30 kilometres from Dadu. Other pieces fell on Pir Mashaikh, Shehak Rodnani and Khandhani villages.

:Jeeehard. Baki mijjile falls on Allah's Lund. Lund on Lund is haraam and impurity. Beards plizz take note.

abhishek_sharma wrote:National Interest: Accidentally, in history

...
THERE was one significant and scary juncture in India’s foreign policy under his charge that he has left unexplained. In fact, the eternal debate is about just how scary that moment was. It was during V.P. Singh’s government in the summer of 1990, when India and Pakistan came close to war over Kashmir. Benazir Bhutto, feeling pressured by her army, was making speeches of the kind that would make Hafiz Saeed look relatively moderate. She was threatening to cut Jagmohan, then governor of Kashmir, into little pieces: jag-jag, mo-mo, han-han, she said making chopping motions from one hand on the other arm at a Muzaffarabad rally. She repeated her late father’s favourite rant of waging a 1,000-year war against India. V.P. Singh responded in Parliament by asking if Pakistan would last 1,000 hours. It’s an aside, but I made a semi-facetious calculation in India Today (in partnership with defence expert Ravi Rikhye) to show how expensive a 1,000-hour (nearly 45-day) war would be, and even if India won decisively, how little it would achieve. But this story really opened up much later.

First, Seymour Hersh claimed (“On the Nuclear Edge”, The New Yorker, March 29, 1993) that Pakistan had indeed threatened to start that war with a nuclear attack against India and that threat had been conveyed to South Block by Bob Gates, then deputy national security advisor, who was the US president’s emissary to the subcontinent. This was immediately denied. But a much more detailed description of those perilous days appeared in a subsequent book (Critical Mass: The Dangerous Race for Superweapons in a Fragmenting World, William E. Burrows and Robert Windrem, Simon & Schuster, 1994). Again, there were denials. But now they sounded thin.

The story, that Gates brought the warning to New Delhi, was never conclusively established. But at one point, many years later, after a great deal of cajoling and pleading, Gujral admitted to having had a curious conversation with his Pakistani counterpart Sahibzada Yakub Khan. Sahibzada had come to India ostensibly to defuse tensions. But he said, as they walked down the South Block corridor, “Gujral sahib, this will not be like any of the decent, clean wars we have fought in the past. Your rivers, mountains, cities, will all be on fire, a fire of the kind you cannot imagine, and on the first day itself.” Gujral admitted he was taken aback. But he said he gathered his wits and replied: “Aisi baatein na karein toh achcha hai, Yakub sahib... kyunki humne bhi unheen daryaon ka paani piya hai jinka aapne...” The closest translation would be, keep these threats to yourself, because you will be paid back in kind.

I did persist with researching this over the years. That the Pakistanis threatened to begin the war with a nuclear attack is a fact. It is, truly, the first example of a nuclear blackmail. Did it work? That question is not fully answered yet. The one key witness who was most directly in the picture, Air Chief Marshal S.K. “Polly” Mehra, was the most forthcoming. He confirmed the threat and recounted how he was called by V.P. Singh and nervously asked, in front of Gujral, if he could prevent a Pakistani plane from delivering that “bomb”. Mehra said no air force could guarantee that. He could reasonably make sure, though, that the intruder wouldn’t go back. But, if such a thing happened, we need to retaliate, he said, and then asked an important question: “If the IAF has to deliver something in retaliation, can we at least see what it looks like? We can then figure out on which platform to put it, and how to deliver it. What are its aerodynamics, and so on.” Mehra said while this conversation was on, he saw Gujral in some sort of a panic, almost sprinting in and out of the room carrying fresh sheets of paper, obviously cables of some kind, and showing them to V.P. Singh. This much I was able to confirm with V.P. Singh himself, on the record. The implicit, and shocking story is, that if India did have a credible, deliverable deterrent then, its armed forces had not even seen it. More likely, India did not. We can say with certainty that this is when India finally dropped all notions of nuclear ambiguity and embarked on full-fledged weaponisation. Whether the Pakistani nuclear blackmail then worked, whether it intimidated V.P. Singh’s truly weak government, and if so, into what, is what we do not yet know. It is one of the most important questions Gujral has left unanswered.

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anupmisra wrote:Meanwhile, back at the zoo, Nai (barber) kills two co-nais in Lahore

A barber shot dead two of his colleagues at the Lahore Elite Force Training Centre

Nasir, who worked at the training centre, was angry over his colleagues due to suspicions that they cast a spell on him through black-magic

lakshmikanth wrote:

MurthyB wrote: The biggest fragment weighing 187 kilograms fell on a ground in Allah Jurio Lund village, 30 kilometres from Dadu. Other pieces fell on Pir Mashaikh, Shehak Rodnani and Khandhani villages.

:Jeeehard. Baki mijjile falls on Allah's Lund. Lund on Lund is haraam and impurity. Beards plizz take note.

Jhujar wrote:Is this why Poaqitanoos are pusnished with a L..ndslide in POK?