Bharat Rakshak

m_saini wrote:

Atmavik wrote:… when push comes to shove we are on our own and everyone knows this.

Don't think this is true. Yes, nobody would provide support "for India", but there are quite a few countries who would love to support "against China".

Also make no mistakes, West is indeed helping Ukraine. Who would pass up a chance to finger their enemies?

Aditya_V wrote:Can anybody tell me how can Putin get a victory here, he has now lost friends in Europe, put the Russian economy under bus. And if this conflict is long drawn loss of reputation . It does not look for Russia.

achy wrote:[

QUAD is not reliable entity , as so far as, fighting war on another's behalf is concerned. No one will fight for us just as we wont fight others war. We will have to fight our own war. They will fight theirs. E.g. Will India fight for Japan in case China attacks it? . QUAD as military alliance like NATO will be DOA as it will restrict strategic autonomy of everyone concerned. But it does have sound principle as so far as containment of China is concerned. There is no fundamental power aspirations among QUAD members which is at cross purposes and hence can be used as alliance to force China to behave and ultimately not emerge as sole super power. Also, it does makes sense on many other levels. This is still an emerging doctrine but I think it will settle into sphere of influence and each member taking care of own sphere and then using the co-operation of quad as deterrent for any miscalculation n China's part.

m_saini: "Fault" depends on whose perspective you see things from. West did whatever they did, to further their own interests. How can anyone fault them for that?

srikandan wrote: Not so much finding fault as determining the playbooks of different powers when India is still working its way up to prosperity, which will not happen if we do not understand the playbooks of adversaries.

Cain Marko wrote:

Anant wrote:
There's a reason this forum went to pot. You seriously need mental help. Good luck!

He asked legit questions, answer them if you can instead of getting high and mighty.

Manish_Sharma wrote:

Yes you will, your THAAD isn't capable of intercepting maneuvering MIRVs.

Rudradev wrote:China is not Russia, and India is not Ukraine. But one thing is for certain.

After seeing the US & NATO's (non)-response to the invasion of Ukraine, a state that threw in its lot with the West, by its immediate neighbour... any Indian who proclaims that the QUAD is in any way a reliable entity deserves to be slapped.

Cain Marko wrote:The only way the US comes out on top in this fracas is if it lures the Chinese away with a G2 settlement. India better watch it's back.

MOSCOW, Feb 24 (Reuters) - Russian gas exports via Ukraine have continued as normal and are in line with requests from consumers, Russian energy giant Gazprom said on Thursday.

The company said the requests have been at 83 million cubic metres per day as of Feb. 24, up 31.4% from Feb. 23.

Anant wrote:https://news.rediff.com/commentary/2022 ... 32efb7026a

Some Indian reporter asked Biden whether he had spoken to the Indian govt. Biden said that they'd reach out today.

hanumadu wrote:I see parallels between Ukraine/NATO and SriLanka/China.

Anoop wrote:To come back to the point that Gp. Capt. Hari Nair had raised - why is the Ukrainian armed forces not putting up a stronger resistance? If Russia could take Chernobyl with a total casualty of less than 100 on both sides, there's not much fighting going on. Are the Ukrainians luring Russian forces deeper into the heartland, stretching their lines of communication and preparing for urban warfare? That seems their best chance of keeping the fighting going long enough for it to get unpopular for Putin. Even if the Rusians plan on withdrawing soon after declaring victory, they could be ambushed on the way back.

Russian end game of regime change will work only if the new government commands the Ukrainian armed forces' loyalty....otherwise it could be Iraq all over again. So the question is - who is the likely successor that Russia has in mind to succeed Zelensky, and will he/she be able to deliver?

Today, the North Atlantic Council decided to activate NATO’s defence plans to protect Allied nations during this crisis.

anupmisra: Why does this invasion sound more like it is preapproved/staged and the west is willing to live with the consequence of the post-invasion?

New Delhi, Feb 24 (PTI) Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Thursday spoke with Russian President Vladimir Putin on the Ukraine conflict and appealed for immediate cessation of violence as well as concerted efforts from all sides to return to the path of diplomatic negotiations.

During their telephonic conversation, President Putin briefed Prime Minister Modi about the recent developments regarding Ukraine, the Prime Minister’s Office said in a statement.

Modi also sensitised the Russian President about India’s concerns regarding the safety of the Indian citizens in Ukraine, especially students, and conveyed that India attaches the highest priority to their safe exit and return.

srikandan wrote:

John: US reportedly shared Intel with China on Russian invasion pre Feb 20, this angered the Chinese and Xi reportedly discussed with Putin and he agreed to put off any invasion till post Olympics. It’s no coincidence Putin video of declaration of war was shot on Feb 21st. But released only on 24th.

This is utter horsedung. If you are not going to post links to the claims you are making, please stop. You are deliberately muddying the waters here with your disinformation.

Rudradev wrote:

Atmavik wrote:QUAD is not a military alliance… when push comes to shove we are on our own and everyone knows this.

Yes, there is a lot of "cute" ambiguity with the QUAD. Its members keep stating that it's "not a military alliance", but then their navies do exercises together. And, supposedly, their governments engage in some level of intelligence sharing along with their diplomatic and economic cooperation.

This is precisely the kind of guessing-game BS that the US & EU baited Ukraine into joining. No, Ukraine is not a NATO member... yes, we will "deter" Russia from attacking by imposing sanctions... no, we will not send troops to Ukraine... yes, we will provide Ukraine with weapons... no, we will not rule out making Ukraine a NATO member in future.

The Ukrainian leadership began to believe that they were in the "inner circle" of the bear-baiting club (even despite not being in NATO). They allowed themselves to become the frontline instrument of bear baiting. And now the Ukrainian people are paying the price.

I don't believe India's (current) leadership is stupid enough to be the Ukraine of the QUAD. But I am grateful that once again, the US & NATO have given us a preview of how they treat their "less than equal" allies as condoms.

India's Permanent Representative to United Nations (UN), TS Tirumurti, called for an immediate de-escalation at the United Nations Security Council (UNSC) convened on Thursday, 24 February, for an emergency meeting to discuss the Russia-Ukraine crisis, amid Russia’s launch of a "military operation" in Ukraine.

Tirumurti added that the "situation is in danger of spiralling into a major crisis."

Meanwhile, defending the "military operation," Russian representative Vasily Nebenzya at the UNSC said, "Special operation declared by President Putin is to protect the people of Ukraine who have been suffering for years. We aim to de-genocide Ukraine... Decision made in line with Article 51 of UN charter... We will analyze the situation (in Ukraine)," news agency ANI reported.

“Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defence shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security.”

Former U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry on BBC Arabic: The Ukraine Crisis Could Distract the World from the Climate Crisis While Having Massive Emissions Consequences.

hgupta wrote:

srikandan wrote:
This is utter horsedung. If you are not going to post links to the claims you are making, please stop. You are deliberately muddying the waters here with your disinformation.

And you aren't?

Cyrano wrote:

Rudradev wrote:
Yes, there is a lot of "cute" ambiguity with the QUAD. Its members keep stating that it's "not a military alliance", but then their navies do exercises together. And, supposedly, their governments engage in some level of intelligence sharing along with their diplomatic and economic cooperation.

This is precisely the kind of guessing-game BS that the US & EU baited Ukraine into joining. No, Ukraine is not a NATO member... yes, we will "deter" Russia from attacking by imposing sanctions... no, we will not send troops to Ukraine... yes, we will provide Ukraine with weapons... no, we will not rule out making Ukraine a NATO member in future.

The Ukrainian leadership began to believe that they were in the "inner circle" of the bear-baiting club (even despite not being in NATO). They allowed themselves to become the frontline instrument of bear baiting. And now the Ukrainian people are paying the price.

I don't believe India's (current) leadership is stupid enough to be the Ukraine of the QUAD. But I am grateful that once again, the US & NATO have given us a preview of how they treat their "less than equal" allies as condoms.

Absolutely true Rudradev ji.

sohamn wrote:

Cyrano wrote:
Absolutely true Rudradev ji.

QUAD is not a military alliance yet and we shouldn't expect any help from QUAD in the event of war. Ukraine neglected its military for decades and is a prime example for us "what not to do". We need a strong and effective military that relies on its own weapon systems and for the most part not dependent on either Russia or USA. But the immediate aftermath is that Russia will become more reliant on China and its slave brother for sustenance and that probably doesn't bode well for us both in terms of the high tech weapon systems that we got from Russia and assistance in UN / global politics. Also, trade and parts supply from both Russia and Ukraine for our gas turbines, AN 32 fleet, and russian origin weapon systems will face severe constraints. Raksha Mantri needs to urgently re-strategize.