Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Sept 05, 2015

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 20 Oct 2015 08:01

I think the analysts got it wrong. Pakistan isn't going to use low yield weapons on our strike corp.

They're intended for use on the provinces that decide to break away.

If the PMO ever decided to use cold start, Pakistan wouldn't be able to survive the hit. It would balkanize soon after.

Balochistan is mostly made up of towns and villages.

What better way to keep them in line. As soon as the pivot and strike corp cross the IB and we impose a naval blockade,
the Balochis are going to open up a second front for them.

They could just launch a few warning shots close to a few large towns and keep fighting to a minimum in the provinces so that they can divert more troops to the Eastern border.

The pressure on us after a week or so of fighting will go up exponentially.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 20 Oct 2015 08:15

Atleast some of those nukes are meant for Saudis. Under what circumstances would the Saudis use those against Iran?

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 20 Oct 2015 09:12

^^Or the Houthis...

This is why I keep saying that, although it may seem counter-intuitive, the moment Pakistan declared its nuclear capabilities (and has embarked on a path of expanding them together with China's help), the country became a problem for the world rather than just for India. Now a lot of other countries have to consider the implications. Some will choose to engage with Pakistan (perhaps even hinting at more goodies), others will have to consider defensive action. For us, not much will change really - to the extent that it can pose a nuclear threat to us (in combination with the Chinese), they already do. They can only increase the spread and damage they can cause. We would have had to prepare for that eventuality anyway. But Israel, Iran, the US, the Central Asians, even the European mainland will have to now seriously consider virtually EVERYTHING taking into account Pakistan's possible nuclear options.

Consider this scenario:

Massive migration push into Europe from the north African mainland as well as from the East European borders... The EU decides to deploy their militaries and actively push back these people, most of whom are Sunnis and many of whom are "South Asian" - i.e. Pakistani/Bangladeshi. There is bloodshed as a consequence of some aggressive action by East European forces on the border, responding to equally aggressive migrant males. There are reports of koran desecration and other blasphemous acts. Migrating mullahs start giving sermons on the "frontlines" and these are whatsapped and facebooked exponentially.

In country mullahs across the Sunni world start exorting greater migration for a "new jihad" to repulse the "new crusaders". In Pakistan, various terror group leaders join the crowd, and pressure mounts on the government to make a statement on the "bloodshed on the European borders targeting innocent Muslims". The government states that what is happening there is unacceptable and that it stands ready to act with other Sunni countries to either bring this to a table for discussion with the EU or get prepared for other eventualities, whatever they may be... The EU will have to consider their response in light of a highly nuclearised Pakistan.

Inconceivable?

Pakistan is the world's problem now, not just India's problem. And it has been for a while.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 20 Oct 2015 09:20

Nawaz VS Military Popularity Contest. Snake & Scorpion Battle of domination, Survival

Survey records Nawaz’s approval rating at 75% ( Equal To Modi)

ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif emerged as the most popular political leader with an approval rating of 75 per cent, according to a nationwide survey carried out by Pakistan Institute of Legislative Development and Transparency (PILDAT PIGLET=Pakistan Institute Of G..dappa & Executing Terrorism ).The survey conducted on the completion of the second year of the current parliament and the provincial assemblies shows that Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif is not far behind his brother with an approval rating of 72 per cent.PTI chief Imran Khan drew an approval rating of 49 per cent, while MQM chairman Altaf Hussain polled 13 per cent of the 3,231 respondents from a cross-section of incomes living in rural and urban areas of all the four provinces.Around 27 per cent of the respondents of the PILDAT survey approved the leadership of Asif Zardari. PML-Q chairman Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain earned 19 per cent approval while ANP chief Asfandyar Wali followed with 18 per cent approval.The Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) had the highest approval amongst the population, with 70 per cent of the respondents rating the party’s competence highly.Its closest rival Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) came a distant second with an approval rating of 44%. The Jamaat-e-Islami (JI) and the Pakistan Peoples Party came away with 40 per cent and 36 per cent approval, respectively.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 20 Oct 2015 09:34

I can see Shashtriji's son and that J+BJP MLA from Delhi standing next to Sherry. So much for BJP and RW patriotism

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 20 Oct 2015 10:02

JE Menon wrote: In country mullahs across the Sunni world start exorting greater migration for a "new jihad" to repulse the "new crusaders". In Pakistan, various terror group leaders join the crowd, and pressure mounts on the government to make a statement on the "bloodshed on the European borders targeting innocent Muslims". The government states that what is happening there is unacceptable and that it stands ready to act with other Sunni countries to either bring this to a table for discussion with the EU or get prepared for other eventualities, whatever they may be... The EU will have to consider their response in light of a highly nuclearised Pakistan.

Inconceivable?

Pakistan is the world's problem now, not just India's problem. And it has been for a while.

Not in the near future. Right now the button rests with the weak kneed jernails. They are anything but ideological. They will sell out. For ex: The soothias never got Baki support for attacking the Houthias. If Bakis were ideologically Sunni, then they would have dutifully fulfilled their role of condom for soothias, but they did not.

The world will have a problem, and that would be the day Bakistan turns completely ideological, i.e. the jernails go from whiskey swirlers to growing beards that hang lower than their ding-dongs, and marry 8 year old kids.....

member_29089 · Post by **member_29089** » 20 Oct 2015 10:47

Given paki belligerence with their nukes and their proclivity (i.e. itch) to use them the following scenario is entirely plausible.

Some paki insider will be caught selling dirty (or clean) bum to the bad guys

USA and then Russia and then Chinese and then India will begin bombing and combing paki hinterlands to get to the REAL weapons of mass destruction

Iran will gobble up chunks of balochistan, China the gilgit-baltistan, Afghanistan will get their share of Swat-valley to north-west lands.

India will get the worst of the genepool with hundreds of millions of Pakjabis.

The least that India can do is to prepare for such a scenario is to start working on a Ghar Vapsi App

Ghar Vapsi App:
Any PakJabi wanting to become Indian must run this app before applying for PRI (Pakjabi Residents of India) status.

The Ghar Vapsi App when invoked shall play a Sloka in Sanskrit then in Punjabi and then Urdu
The Ghar Vapsi App will ask the Pakjabi to put on a Tilak (the camera can scan the face)
The Ghar Vapsi App then will ask the Pakjabi to recite it 108 times in one of above 3 languages
(The Ghar Vapsi App will count the recitation and the number will increment on the screen)
The Ghar Vapsi App will allow the Pakjabi to pick one of thousands of Deities as their Kula Devata
The Ghar Vapsi App will then ask the Pakjabi to enter his / her name and based on it it will assign a dharmic name for the Pakjabi
With the normal disclaimers (e.g. "henseforth I, formarly Abdul Qureshi, now known as Amul Krishna, consider the two stones in Mecca and Madina as Shivalingams, am willingly pressing the OK button to be a citizen of India after paying a fee of 10,0001 Rupees"
The Ghar Vapsi App can then update the national database with the face, previous name, new name and assign a PRI number

....Just thinking 10 years ahead

Bhurishrava · Post by **Bhurishrava** » 20 Oct 2015 13:45

Peregrine wrote:At least Eleven get Seventy Two Each. Twenty Two missed out!
Cheers

Noone seems to care anymore. Not at BR either.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 20 Oct 2015 13:51

Placating China - Edit, DT

Amidst the rosy narrative of camaraderie, however, it seems that China has concerns about Pakistan’s lackadaisical and contradictory approach towards Islamist militants present on its territory, and to address those silently communicated worries, Pakistan’s Defence Minister Khawaja Asif is in Beijing making the right noises. The issue of contention for the Chinese is the presence of members of the Uighur militant group East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM) in the tribal belt of Pakistan. Khawaja Asif has assured his Chinese counterparts that the “small number” of ETIM militants present in Pakistan has been decidedly dealt with as part of Operation Zarb-e-Azb and they are now thought to be either eliminated “or gone”.

The issue of Uighur separatism is multifaceted and complicated. The frontier province of Xinjiang was long dominated by the Uighur population, who are Muslim and identify with the culture and customs of Central Asia. However, over the years they have started to be outnumbered by Han Chinese who are migrating to the developing province and are considered in the local imagination to be benefiting disproportionately while the locals are disenfranchised. So the Uighur movement is rooted in perceived economic, cultural and religious oppression. Most experts however consider the militant side of the movement represented by ETIM to be small in scale and lacking in cohesion. Nevertheless, ETIM’s jihadist and extremist tendencies are very real and in line with other groups of Islamist persuasion. As Pakistan played a leading role in the 1980s in fostering and training jihadist groups from around the globe to fight in Afghanistan, the continued presence of Uighur militants within its borders is hardly shocking. While it is hard to verify Asif’s claims due to restricted media access in the tribal belt, it is crucial that the spirit of his statement is followed through. Pakistan cannot persist with the policy of having dual policies towards militants. All Islamist networks therefore must be eliminated. It is also doubly important to ensure that no grievances and resentments develop between the two allied countries as soiling the spirit of friendship would have negative implications for Pakistan. *

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 20 Oct 2015 14:57

Jhujar wrote:Pakistan not entering nuclear deal with US: Sarkhaaj Aziz
Bewafa,Beghairat Beggar's Ganja Bachao Byaan

It was revealed after US attack on Doctors Without Borders (MSF) installment in Afghanistan’s Kunduz that special analysts were tasked to collect intelligence over Pakistani operative’s possible coordination with Taliban.

Jhujar Ji :

That, Jhujar Ji, is the reality of Cwapistan - A Toilet Tissue Paper, Flushed down the Toilet after each use!
Cheers

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 20 Oct 2015 15:01

Akram, Akhtar-Paki Cricket Commentators - forced to leave India over security concerns

India’s failure to provide security to Pakistan’s commentators and match officials, following Shiv Sena’s hooliganism, has forced Wasim Akram and Shoaib Akhtar to quit the ongoing India-South Africa series and head home early, ESPNcricinfo reported.
The development comes a day after the International Cricket Council (ICC) withdrew Pakistan's Aleem Dar from officiating in the rest of the India-South Africa series after threats from far-right political group Shiv Sena.

Message to Pakis: No business as usual !

The final ODI between India and South Africa is scheduled to be played in Mumbai on October 25.

The drama began on Monday when the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) Chairman Shaharyar Khan was due to meet the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) chief Shashank Manohar.

Manohar had invited Shaharyar to discuss the prospect of a bilateral series between the two countries. But as soon as Shaharyar reached the BCCI headquarters in Mumbai, some workers of Sena stormed into the building protesting the PCB chief’s visit and shouting anti-Pakistan slogans.

It is clear though that the BCCI is unwilling to move forward on the prospects of cricket between the two teams and will let the Indian government have a final say on the matter.
PCB chairman Shaharyar Khan met Indian Premier League chief Rajiv Shukla on Tuesday but in a bizarre statement by the latter, 'cricket was not discussed.'

“We should not jump to conclusions. Process of dialogue should be on. When that dialogue will happen is upto the BCCI President,” Shukla said.

Paki cricketers and other in the "cricket industry" will have to look elsewhere to make a living, and not "feed" on India

nirav · Post by **nirav** » 20 Oct 2015 15:15

JE Menon wrote:
Pakistan is the world's problem now, not just India's problem. And it has been for a while.

we need to find a way to arm Pakistan with Agni 5 capable mijjiles ...

They already got all of India covered. No problem if they can cover londonistan and rest of ouirope ...

Can offer Agni 5 tech under aman ki asha ...

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 20 Oct 2015 15:30

Paul wrote:I can see Shashtriji's son and that J+BJP MLA from Delhi standing next to Sherry. So much for BJP and RW patriotism

Paul Ji :

Is Shastri Ji's son patting her on the Cheek(s) with his Left Hand?
Cheers

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 20 Oct 2015 16:07

No law, no order: India cancels World Kabaddi Cup 2015

JALANDHAR (Web Desk) – In another shocking development,the Indian media on Tuesday claimed that the Indian government cancelled upcoming World Kabaddi Cup, scheduled to be held next month (November) in Punjab.

More read:Talks between PCB, BCCI to be held at secret place in Delhi after Shiv Sena attack

In view of the worst law and order situation and various other reasons, Punjab Government today cancelled upcoming World Kabaddi Cup, Punjab Tribune reported.

Also read: Sikhs protest intensifies across Indian Punjab over desecration of holy book

In an embarrassment to the Punjab Government, most of the Kabaddi Federation denied to send their teams in protest against the sacrilege of the “Bir” of Guru Granth Sahib, sources said that key federations including of Canada, USA and England have expressed their resentment to the Indian government, which forced it to cancel the upcoming Kabaddi Cup.

Domino effect ; message - no business as usual

Abhay_S · Post by **Abhay_S** » 20 Oct 2015 18:06

http://images.dawn.com/news/1174075/shi ... ahira-khan

Shiv Sena activists threaten Fawad Khan and Mahira Khan

Continuing its string of attacks on Pakistani luminaries

, Shiv Sena – a Hindu extremist party engaged in a ruling coalition with the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) in Maharashtra – has made Pakistani movie stars, Mahira Khan and Fawad Khan, its latest target.

According to Emirates 247, Shiv Sena announced plans to hinder promotions of the two actors' upcoming movies, Raees and Ae Dil Hai Mushkil.

"We have taken a stand not to allow any Pakistani actor, cricketer or performer to step on Maharashtra soil," says Akshay Bardapurkar, general Secretary of the Shiv Sena Chitrapat Sena, the party's film wing.

He adds, "We are not really bothered about who is signing these Pakistanis in their film. Karan Johar, Farhan Akhtar, Shah Rukh Khan etc are responsible citizens and they should not cast Pakistanis in their film."

Mahira's debut Bollywood flick Raees, in which she stars opposite Shah Rukh Khan, is slated for release on Eid 2016, whereas Fawad's Ae Dil Hai Mushkil starring Ranbir Kapoor, Anushka Sharma and Aishwarya Rai is scheduled for a Diwali opening, also next year.

The threat against Mahira and Fawad is the latest incident that adds to Shiv Sena's spate of attacks against Pakistanis working in India.

Mekaal Hasan Band(who the Bhuk), which recently reconfigured into a Pak-India line-up with Sharmista Chatterjee as the band's new vocalist, was the last target of Shiv Sena's hostility towards Pakistanis.

Their concert in Ahmedabad last weekend was cancelled at the last minute due to protests by Shiv Sena activists on the day of their performance, reported Indian Express.

The band also faced Shiv Sena's hostility in early 2014 during a press conference announcing their latest album, Huffington Post India reported.

Earlier in the month, Shiv Sena forced the cancellation of ghazal singer Ghulam Ali's concert in Mumbai, saying that "We can't have cultural ties with Pakistan when they kill our soldiers."

In late April this year, Atif Aslam's concert in Pune was cancelled due to Shiv Sena's threats, despite the sale of over 1,000 tickets, reported Indian Express.

Outside of the entertainment sphere, Shiv Sena has also forced commentators Wasim Akram and Shoaib Akhtar as well as umpire Aleem Dar to quit their participation in the ongoing India-South Africa series, and return to Pakistan.

Moreover, Shiv Sena attacked the headquarters of the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) on Monday, just before Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chairman Shaharyar Khan was to meet BCCI chief Shashank Manohar to discuss a bilateral series in December.

The host of Pakistan's former Foreign Minister Khurshid Mahmud Kasuri's book launch was also subjected to an ink attack by a group of Shiv Sena activists.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 20 Oct 2015 18:27

^^^ The problem statement is - India needs a national consensus about a social and economic boycott of Pakistan until it shows serious efforts at curbing its terrorism against India. It is not about "all outstanding issues", it is about the state sponsorship of terrorism. The boycott will end when the terrorism ends.

a. That consensus is largely invisible in the mainstream media.

b. Shiv Sena is trying to impose such a boycott, but its methods itself become the topic of discussion, and a distraction from the main issue with Pakistan. (It becomes all about "is India becoming intolerant?".)

c. The message needs to be driven home that the vast majority of India's people are intolerant of terrorism being wielded against them; that the upper crust that hobnobs with Pakistani officials or ex-officials or Pakistani elite simply do not represent the will of the Indian people; that the upper crust should put their personal feelings aside and honor the boycott, and show some respect for the people of India.

d. It is not about a debate of whether a boycott is good policy or not or whatever. People are free to disagree with the wisdom of a boycott. But they are nevertheless expected to honor it.

Think of it like a strike by a trade union. Whether you agree with the means, i.e., strikes are not good, nevertheless, honor the picket line, and don't be scabs.

Mihaylo · Post by **Mihaylo** » 20 Oct 2015 18:45

Paul wrote:I can see Shashtriji's son and that J+BJP MLA from Delhi standing next to Sherry. So much for BJP and RW patriotism

Wall to wall ugliness !!

-M

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 20 Oct 2015 19:50

What can GoI do?
It can't officially ban Pakistanis participating in events that the government has no oversight of.
Yet it is common knowledge that these sneering scumbags hate the kafirs, pass snide remarks against the kafirs, but like kafir money.

I for one support the Shiv Sena on this wholesomely! Their methods are crude, but once the fear is created, they won't have to resort to actually doing things. One hopes that in the future, just a kindly worded letter from the Shiv Sena politely requesting people not to employ pakistanis in India will suffice.

Lisa · Post by **Lisa** » 20 Oct 2015 19:57

^ Yet in can. No puki should be given a visa. Period. They remain on their side of the border and us on ours.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 20 Oct 2015 20:20

Paki Journo Laments 'That Cricket Has Been Reduced To A Bargaining Tool For Political Agenda'
If Pakistan boycotts the World Cup, it is only Pakistan that will suffer

We live in a time where our very existence is offensive to some people. It is hard to imagine how much cricket has been used as a weapon for political folly. It is absolutely outrageous that our team is in constant limbo, adjusting to whatever catastrophe will hit them next.

Earlier when Australia cancelled their tour of Bangladesh, it was because their safety had to be put first.

...you have the Shiv Sena in India causing absolute mayhem, threatening an International Cricket Council (ICC) official Aleem Dar, Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) Chairman, Shahryar Khan and Najam Sethi sealed in their hotel for security reasons, Wasim Akram and Shoaib Akthar unable to commentate, Pakistani artists being forced to cancel events and an immense hatred for the country and anything and everything associated with it.

The ICC has decided that given the cash cow the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) is, they could not take the World T20 away from India, after all, it is only Pakistan who is at stake. Instead, our players who are under serious attack will simply not play in the state of Maharashtra. There you have it, problem brilliantly solved. If the Shiv Sena is attacking Pakistanis, simply remove them from the equation. The deafening silence from both the ICC and the BCCI is enough to make one question the very foundation of the cricketing world.
What is this dictatorship? If a team feels threatened in a country, how can you expect them to play, but if the roles were reversed there would be outrage? Given all the power the BCCI now has, the rest of the playing nations are simply ostriches, afraid to ruffle any feathers in fear of the mighty Indian wrath.

Message: no business as usual

You have the ministry and heads of the BCCI claiming that they will not play cricket with Pakistan because the country is harbouring certain terrorists? Is this what cricket has now been reduced to, a bargaining tool for a political agenda?

Cannot separate sports and politics ; someone should remind her that Uncle boycotted Moscow Olympics for "some political reason"

These are dark times for Pakistan cricket. It’s a hard time to be a fan no matter where you live in the world. The sport is slowly being wrought with the sort of red tape and governance that takes away from the magic. It’s going to be a wonder how Pakistan will manage to play any games at all at the World T20. If we boycott the World Cup, it is only our team that will suffer. The time is now for the ICC to create a standard policy for the security of all playing nations around the world and yes dare I say, one that includes the nuisance that is Pakistan.

Slowly and surely Pakis sports teams and their home grown sports fans will become a pariah in the rest of the world, just as tourist are shunning Pakistan in droves due to its "special reputation" in the world

nirav · Post by **nirav** » 20 Oct 2015 20:25

Gagan wrote:What can GoI do?
It can't officially ban Pakistanis participating in events that the government has no oversight of.
Yet it is common knowledge that these sneering scumbags hate the kafirs, pass snide remarks against the kafirs, but like kafir money.

I for one support the Shiv Sena on this wholesomely! Their methods are crude, but once the fear is created, they won't have to resort to actually doing things. One hopes that in the future, just a kindly worded letter from the Shiv Sena politely requesting people not to employ pakistanis in India will suffice.

that would invite "paki parties" by liberal bollywood forces ..

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 20 Oct 2015 20:54

GunterH wrote:Given paki belligerence with their nukes and their proclivity (i.e. itch) to use them the following scenario is entirely plausible.

Some paki insider will be caught selling dirty (or clean) bum to the bad guys

USA and then Russia and then Chinese and then India will begin bombing and combing paki hinterlands to get to the REAL weapons of mass destruction

Iran will gobble up chunks of balochistan, China the gilgit-baltistan, Afghanistan will get their share of Swat-valley to north-west lands.

India will get the worst of the genepool with hundreds of millions of Pakjabis.

The least that India can do is to prepare for such a scenario is to start working on a Ghar Vapsi App

Ghar Vapsi App:
Any PakJabi wanting to become Indian must run this app before applying for PRI (Pakjabi Residents of India) status.

The Ghar Vapsi App when invoked shall play a Sloka in Sanskrit then in Punjabi and then Urdu
The Ghar Vapsi App will ask the Pakjabi to put on a Tilak (the camera can scan the face)
The Ghar Vapsi App then will ask the Pakjabi to recite it 108 times in one of above 3 languages
(The Ghar Vapsi App will count the recitation and the number will increment on the screen)
The Ghar Vapsi App will allow the Pakjabi to pick one of thousands of Deities as their Kula Devata
The Ghar Vapsi App will then ask the Pakjabi to enter his / her name and based on it it will assign a dharmic name for the Pakjabi
With the normal disclaimers (e.g. "henseforth I, formarly Abdul Qureshi, now known as Amul Krishna, consider the two stones in Mecca and Madina as Shivalingams, am willingly pressing the OK button to be a citizen of India after paying a fee of 10,0001 Rupees"
The Ghar Vapsi App can then update the national database with the face, previous name, new name and assign a PRI number

....Just thinking 10 years ahead

Or we could just shoot them.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 20 Oct 2015 20:59

Gagan wrote:What can GoI do?
It can't officially ban Pakistanis participating in events that the government has no oversight of.
Yet it is common knowledge that these sneering scumbags hate the kafirs, pass snide remarks against the kafirs, but like kafir money.

I for one support the Shiv Sena on this wholesomely! Their methods are crude, but once the fear is created, they won't have to resort to actually doing things. One hopes that in the future, just a kindly worded letter from the Shiv Sena politely requesting people not to employ pakistanis in India will suffice.

The problem is that people can legitimately be political opponents to the Shiv Sena, but we still want those people to nevertheless honor the boycott of Pakistan; and not to organize some function with Pakistanis as a means of opposition/defiance of the Shiv Sena.

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 20 Oct 2015 21:04

A_Gupta wrote:^^^ The problem statement is - India needs a national consensus about a social and economic boycott of Pakistan until it shows serious efforts at curbing its terrorism against India. It is not about "all outstanding issues", it is about the state sponsorship of terrorism. The boycott will end when the terrorism ends.

a. That consensus is largely invisible in the mainstream media.

b. Shiv Sena is trying to impose such a boycott, but its methods itself become the topic of discussion, and a distraction from the main issue with Pakistan. (It becomes all about "is India becoming intolerant?".)

c. The message needs to be driven home that the vast majority of India's people are intolerant of terrorism being wielded against them; that the upper crust that hobnobs with Pakistani officials or ex-officials or Pakistani elite simply do not represent the will of the Indian people; that the upper crust should put their personal feelings aside and honor the boycott, and show some respect for the people of India.

d. It is not about a debate of whether a boycott is good policy or not or whatever. People are free to disagree with the wisdom of a boycott. But they are nevertheless expected to honor it.

Think of it like a strike by a trade union. Whether you agree with the means, i.e., strikes are not good, nevertheless, honor the picket line, and don't be scabs.

Exactly. Right now, the elites seem to be more concerned about their cultural exchange than lives lost due to terrorism. A boycott is a social way of making others know that you don't approve of their actions. A social boycott of one country by another country will send a similar message.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 20 Oct 2015 21:24

Has the Shiv Sena physically bashed up someone black and blue on their hosting Pakistanis?

AFAIK, they've been loud, made their presence and opposition to hosting Pakistanis known. Them inking that guy's face, was well an extreme form of nonviolent protest

Its a game, the shiv sainiks are smiling even as they are shouting slogans.

This is not the Jamat Ud Dawa protesting inside pakistan, with kalashnikov and handgun toting bearded abduls, where the implications are clear for all to see.

The shiv sena is mostly shaming people. These people are looking to make a quick buck by hosting Pakistanis, when there are plenty of opportunities to make money using other nationalities other than Pakistanis. Its just that Mumbai and Dilli and Punjab have big urdu/punjabi speaking, moneyed, chi chi crowds, who are the target audience to these Pakis.

Unfortunately the Shiv Sena can't protest in Punjab, where the congoons hold these kabbadi lovefests with the Pakis. The next item is hockey, where Indian Punjab has a big presence - Iam sure that they'll try to bring the fata shalwar Pakistanis on board there too, unless someone like the shiv sena curbs their enthusiasm.

Punjab is seeing this wave of tearing up of the Guru granth, and dishonouring the Bir Saheb - no doubt engineered by the ISI by paying off some people. The ISI is desperately trying to revive the Khalistan movement again, and it is becoming more visible now.

These Pakistanis will now increasingly want to come into India, on innocuous visits, and try to destabilize things. So a boycott is very much needed. Can't let these guys have a safe base in India

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 20 Oct 2015 21:32

slightly OT, while watching vijender's debut KO match on youtube, I discovered that SDRE's had fought with the great martial nation of al bakistan in a MMA face off. the result was 6-1, in favour of SDRE's.

link : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1tvPIiYtGE

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 20 Oct 2015 21:32

A_Gupta wrote:Not sure how I missed this:
http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-2 ... in-Sahiwal

The Lahore High Court (LHC) ordered suspension of the establishment of a coal power project in Sahiwal district of Punjab.

Following up on this news-item:
http://www.brecorder.com/top-stories/0/1238089/

Lahore High Court (LHC) has upheld the status of stay order granted in the 1320MW Sahiwal coal plant by rejecting the appeal of the Punjab government's different departments. The court has also issued directives to the Advocate General Punjab to file a detailed reply in the petition. The petitioners' representative has challenged the representation of Punjab Government in the case as, according to them, the plant is being developed by a Chinese company and the Chinese company should have been there as direct respondents.

M/s Saif Group and Salim Saifullah Khan and 22 others have challenged establishment of coal-fired power plant in Sahiwal. According to the petition, 1320 MWs coal-fired plant being set up in Sahiwal under the patronage of the Punjab Government has a huge environmental issue. Petitioners contended that the Environmental Impact Assessment (EIA) has not been conducted properly and the whole process has been bulldozed and is illegal. The site is not suitable for a coal plant which should have been located somewhere else.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 20 Oct 2015 21:35

A_Gupta tweet your point c and lets give it wide publicity.

What the heck how about all the points and storify so its all in one place?

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 20 Oct 2015 21:37

Michael Kugelman ‏@MichaelKugelman 21h21 hours ago
Despite all the hoopla about nukes, seems to me the big agenda point for Sharif/Obama meeting will be Taliban peace talks & #Afghanistan.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 20 Oct 2015 21:54

johneeG wrote:A social boycott of one country by another country will send a similar message.

Of course, there was a precedent as well. South Africa was boycotted for their aparthide.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 20 Oct 2015 23:57

Rahul M wrote:slightly OT, while watching vijender's debut KO match on youtube, I discovered that SDRE's had fought with the great martial nation of al bakistan in a MMA face off. the result was 6-1, in favour of SDRE's.
link : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1tvPIiYtGE

This was reaaaaal interesting and worth watching

TFTA were put on bed for at least couple of HAFTAs! Kababdi Yaan Kushti, Paki get Muhsh Me Mushti.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 21 Oct 2015 00:02

Really nice pitai / dhunai of the Pakistanis !!!

Lisa · Post by **Lisa** » 21 Oct 2015 00:14

vayu tuvan wrote:
johneeG wrote:A social boycott of one country by another country will send a similar message.
Of course, there was a precedent as well. South Africa was boycotted for their aparthide.

Israel should be invited to join the ICC. We can ALL then happily play cricket, yes?

Abhay_S · Post by **Abhay_S** » 21 Oct 2015 01:44

Lisa wrote:
Israel should be invited to join the ICC. We can ALL then happily play cricket, yes?

The Media should ask if these Pakis will allow cultural contacts with israel ???

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/ ... ias3CtOrWY

http://www.timesofisrael.com/heads-roll ... -model-un/

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 21 Oct 2015 02:27

Lisa wrote:Israel should be invited to join the ICC. We can ALL then happily play cricket, yes?

Bakistani jernails have only one ideology: Survive. They have to hate India to survive, for matter of raisin-dieting, and also because their population would eat them alive if they change their stance.

Whether we like it or not, it gives us an interesting lever to pull on, once we have some assets on ground and have "turned" some WKKs. For example: Make a (Baki certified) WKK write an article on some place like NYT or WaPo, that has this line in there:

"Sources closely working with India's RAW, say that this nucular deal that Bakis are going to get is the best thing to happen to India"

or

"This reporter heard from a source within RAW that the new F-16s will be provided to Pakistan with a networked kill switch and a button will be provided to RAW"

or even something bland and innocent such as

"Ajit Doval privately mentioned to this reporter that he hopes the deal goes through and Indian approves of it"

You can be assured that there will be large scale attempts from within to sabotage the deal from within Bakistan. We have to use these fissures, they are an open wound and only a country like India wont think of putting a knife in it and twisting it until our interests are met.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 21 Oct 2015 02:48

Rahul M wrote:slightly OT, while watching vijender's debut KO match on youtube, I discovered that SDRE's had fought with the great martial nation of al bakistan in a MMA face off. the result was 6-1, in favour of SDRE's.

link : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1tvPIiYtGE

man, even the one guy disqualified knocked out the pakistani with a vicious kick to the head.

commentator: "pakistan finally have their first victory, but not the most honorable victory".

Mullah sahab who is the coach for the pakistani promptly acts as if its a big win.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 21 Oct 2015 04:08

Pakistan's involvement in the Khalistan Movement

Following the defeat in the 1971 war when East Pakistan was separated thanks to the ill-fortuned policies of Pakistan that denied democratic rights to the people there, it was widely believed that India was responsible for instilling the separatist movement in East Pakistan, which created further distrust when it came to Pakistan and India. A mass perception of India’s alleged covert operations in Pakistan was created across the nation by the establishment, which based its intelligence policies on an India-centric rationale whereas the changing dynamics of global political positions demanded more realistic and practical policies to counter their dangerous effects on Pakistan at that time. The specific focus on India overshadowed Pakistan’s economic and political opportunities, which could have helped build and strengthen democracy and its institutions to make Pakistan stronger. However, the establishment chose to feed more on its perceived threats from its neighbour at the cost of Pakistan’s social and economic development. It started off with a series of actions that resulted in more harm to this country than good. One such misadventure we know is the indirect involvement of Pakistan in the Khalistan Movement in Indian Punjab.

The history of the Khalistan Movement lies in the indigenous struggle of the Sikhs in Punjab state, which was started in the early 1950s when India adopted the policy of reorganisation of its states. Resultantly, a majority of Sikhs was suppressed due to which they felt their religious identity was being threatened. Because of India’s partition in 1947, which India considered to be based on religious discord, it was reluctant to apportion a province based on religious identity. However, the Sikhs persisted in their demand and, in the 1970s, under the leadership of exiled Jagjit Singh Chouhan, the demand for an independent state of Khalistan was formally made by the separatists, with the help of Sikhs based in western countries and also reportedly by the US government, which their Congress denied. According to the proposal made by Chauhan’s Khalistan National Council, Punjab, Himachal and Haryana, and parts of Rajasthan were to be part of Khalistan. In India, Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale became a powerful leader of the Khalistan supporters. It was in the 1980s that terrorist attacks in India started taking place, with Sikh militants taking shelter in their gurdwaras (places of worship for Sikhs). In 1984, Operation Blue Star was carried out by the Indian army in the Golden Temple, which revealed a large amount of ammunition and weapons that were stored away in the temple by the separatists.

Though Pakistan denied any involvement in the Khalistan Movement on India’s charges, the former Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) chief, the late General Hamid Gul, admitted in an interview with a local channel here that the Sikh separatists used to purchase arms from their contractors based in Pakistan. However, it was only with the help of Benazir Bhutto in the late 1980s that the Khalistan Movement took a back seat. She also turned down a plan of the intelligence agency to support the movement as a counter to India’s threats to Pakistan. The claim by India of the Sikh rebels having been trained by the now proscribed group Lashkar-e-Tayyaba (LeT) strained relations between the two countries. Pakistan has termed India’s claim of aiding separatists as a baseless allegation but there remain unanswered questions regarding the obliviousness of the ISI about the separatists and not being able to stop and contain them from getting involved in weapons purchases. A concern still remains that some Khalistani activists are again trying to revive their movement with the help of Pakistani intermediaries. Some pockets of support for Khalistan are still visible in Pakistan today, with the state taking no action against them.

All the follies of India in its aggressive reaction to Pakistan seem baseless when it comes to Pakistan’s own homegrown terrorists that were initially — and some still are — considered as strategic assets. Indeed, India’s involvement in covert operations in Pakistan to destabilise it cannot be easily denied but harbouring and protecting terrorists in Pakistan is openly evident. It must be understood that the basic difference between the way Pakistan’s and India’s intelligence agencies work is that the former has an organised network of controlled terrorism, which is exported to bordering countries, and the latter works under the central command of its Indian spymasters, which is controlled and more specific. The basic cause of the rift, including Pakistan’s interference in Afghanistan, has been to counter Indian dominance in the region. Even though Pakistan does not stand in equality to India in terms of economic development, the competition Pakistan has involved itself in against India is something that was unnecessary.

Prime Minister (PM) Nawaz Sharif very eloquently put India at the epicentre of his speech at the UN General Assembly (UNGA) in September this year, and rightly pointed at India for Line of Control (LoC) violations, calling for the demilitarisation of Kashmir among other issues raised on this important forum. Pakistan has also submitted documentary evidence against India of its involvement in terrorism in its territory to the general secretary of the UN, which in itself is counterproductive in the backlash expected from India.

The involvement of Pakistan in India is not unique as terrorists from this side of the border have infiltrated into India to create agitation against the state. Organisations like LeT and Jamat-ud-Dawa (JuD) continue their unhindered operations in Indian Occupied Kashmir from Pakistan, and their leaders like Hafiz Saeed still remain free and protected here. This is, unfortunately, one of the many reasons why India’s relations with Pakistan remain strained, thus further weakening Pakistan’s position on Kashmir. It is because of Pakistan’s tactics like these that India too has adopted a policy of destabilising Pakistan and fuelling internal unrest. The claims of the involvement of India in Balochistan and Karachi are not completely unfounded. And it is no coincidence that unrest here accelerated since Pakistan’s involvement in the Khalistan Movement in the 1980s. It is only common sense to acknowledge that every action has an equal and opposite reaction. The same is true in Pakistan’s case.

Cheers

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 21 Oct 2015 04:20

Paul wrote:Michael Kugelman ‏@MichaelKugelman 21h21 hours ago
Despite all the hoopla about nukes, seems to me the big agenda point for Sharif/Obama meeting will be Taliban peace talks & #Afghanistan.

Paul-ji: My time line of events:
1. Pakis need "strategic depth" in Afghanistan and in this context, assure Massa that they (alone) can deliver and install a "moderate Taliban regime" (an oxymoron term) in Afghanistan.
1.A. At the same time, Deep State have their own agenda, which they dont share with anyone.
2. Uncle falls into trap and appoints Pakis as peacebroker as they as they need Pakistan's help to withdraw from Afghanistan.
3. On Pak's "suggestion" they exclude India and other regional players (eg Iran)
4.Pakis get lots of moolah but do not deliver on their promises
5. At the same time, Deep State, through the help of their proxies,carries on terrorism against US and Afghan troops to show their "so called strength"
6 Massa sees through Paki perfidy (for the nth time !) (eg. Mullah Omar saga, Kunduz attack etc etc ) and summons Ganja Sharif for dress down (AKA "tense diplomacy"

)
7 Massa gives "one more chance" ; Badmaash then leaves (next week) with promises of more moolah

8 NS reports back to newly appointed NSA on the prospect of new Moolah

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 21 Oct 2015 04:34

^^^Gagan: "Has the Shiv Sena physically bashed up someone black and blue on their hosting Pakistanis?"

You have to understand tort law. Threatening to spray someone with ink is Assault. Spraying them with with ink against their will is Battery. Both are forms of violence

A simple explanation is here

http://injury.findlaw.com/torts-and-per ... sault.html

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 21 Oct 2015 06:00

In recent Bakis comedy shows (aka news and anal-ysis shows) Bakistani journos and anal-yeasts (ISI hacks) are making a lot of noise about Sikhs and Christians. Something is cooking folks

The PR machinery has activated fully.