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shiv wrote:Modiji - what are you going to do? You are talking like a wimp today

sunnyP wrote:

4:23 p.m.: The BJP says the resumed dialogue with Pakistan cannot be revoked due to “one attack” and accuses the Congress of “politicising” the Pathankot terror incident. Union Minister Prakash Javadekar bats for continuation of talks with the neighbouring country.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/m ... epage=true

"Basically, if I have to defend my country, I will go to any extent ... Whatever is required to be done will be done. That is the basic motto which one should have.
"If someone harms my country, I have to take pro-active action ... The Army's basic purpose is that if anyone attacks the country, attack him back. Pay him back in the same coin," Parrikar asserted, underlining that one does not keep 13 lakh-strong Army to "preach peace".

s India and Pakistan enhance their engagement over the next weeks, after the abrupt turnaround in relations, the U.S capital will likely be the venue for the next meeting between Prime Ministers Narendra Modi and Nawaz Sharif.

President Barack Obama has invited both prime ministers for the Nuclear Security Summit on March 31 and April 1, 2016. Though no formal announcements have been made, it is almost certain that both Mr. Modi and Mr. Sharif will be attending it. Mr. Obama sees “nuclear terrorism.. the most immediate and extreme threat to global security,” according to a White House statement on the summit. Nuclear security remains a lingering concern for the U.S. policy for South Asia particularly. The summit will be the first occasion in 2016 that will bring Indian and Pakistan PMs together. Official level talks between the countries are scheduled to start in mid-January, 2016.

Meanwhile, U.S scholars who welcome Mr. Modi’s latest initiative believe the onus is now on Pakistan, particularly its military, to ensure that relations remain on track. "Prime Minister Modi's unexpected visit to Lahore is a welcome development. Let us hope it leads to an improvement in trust between Delhi and Islamabad. But, that will only occur in a meaningful way if the Pakistani military also opens itself to better relations with India,” said R. Nicholas Burns, Professor of the Practice of Diplomacy and International Relations at the Harvard Kennedy School of Government.

“This is clearly a big win for Modi and for creative Indian diplomacy. The onus is of course on Pakistani leaders to ensure that terrorists do not disrupt the positive momentum, so Indian and Pakistani officials can continue with their plans to revive a comprehensive dialogue. I hope this thaw will permit India and Pakistan and Afghanistan to work successfully together on stabilizing the region--but again, much depends on Pakistan meeting its obligations as a state to prevent terror attacks,” said Alyssa Ayres senior fellow for India, Pakistan, and South Asia at the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) and former deputy assistant secretary of state for South Asia.

Scholars also believe the thaw in India-Pakistan relations will help improve the situation in South Asia. "Any improvement in relations between India and Pakistan will always be welcomed by the United States. Washington has always sought peace in the subcontinent and attempted to encourage Delhi and Islamabad to talk and resolve issues through talks and negotiations. The U.S. has always believed that as the larger country in South Asia, India should be more magnanimous towards its neighbours. Washington also believes that boosting the civilian government in Pakistan will help India. Finally, with an eye on Afghanistan, the United States would prefer good relations between India and Pakistan, so that Pakistan, especially its military, can be convinced to help the United States and allies in Afghanistan,” said Aparna Pande, Director, Initiative on the Future of India and South Asia at Hudson Institute.

“In the interest of the U.S and all friends of India”

“What we must hope for is that India and Pakistan find a way to reduce the possibility of conflict and to try to achieve a more normal and productive relationship. That is certainly in the interest of the U.S. and all friends of India,” said Prof. Burns. “Longstanding U.S. policy has been to wish both countries the best in their efforts to resolve their differences bilaterally. But the next steps in fulfilling resumption of a comprehensive dialogue really do depend on ensuring the process is not sabotaged by a terror attack,” said Ms. Ayres.

Ms. Pande expects U.S.-India defence and economic ties to grow stronger and nothing dramatic in U.S. relations with Pakistan. “With respect to Pakistan I see a continuation of the current policy with nothing dramatic happening till the next administration comes in. Afghanistan is critical as U.S. troops are still there and thus there will be a continuation in attempt to find a negotiated solution: so talks with Taliban will continue, Pakistan will be encouraged to help, China will be asked to put pressure on Pakistan to ensure talks continue but I do not see the talks going anywhere.”

Vikram Sood
‏I have been writing about this for years but who cares...... Vikram Sood added,
Indrani Bagchi @horror06
Many TV anchors also let out vital info. Why can't the security agencies keep their traps shut? https://twitter.com/horror06/status/683282526501113856

India should avoid leveling allegations without investigation, says Gilani (Ex-PM And And Alleged "Admirer" Of Sherry Rehman )

MULTAN - Former prime minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani on Saturday urged the government to take all political parties on board to resolve all issues through dialogue.
Talking to journalists, he said that Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif should take all political parties on board to resolve issues. He said the incumbent government had completed its half tenure and it should fulfill its promises made during election campaign.
He claimed that Pakistan People’s Party had adopted agriculture-friendly policy during its tenure in which everything was available at reasonable prices. He said that cotton rate was Rs 5,500 per maund during the PPP government.
He said PPP would continue struggle for the welfare of masses. He said that India should avoid leveling allegations before investigations of any terrorism activity.

PATHANKOT: "Salaam Alaikum" was the reply when the gunman of the Superintendent of Police, who was thrashed by suspected Pakistani terrorists, called up on his mobile number after the news of the SP's abduction along with his associates spread.
Also Read: India Has 'Credible Information' on Pathankot Attackers, Says Rijiju
However, after the gunman told the call receiver that the mobile phone belonged to SP Salwinder Singh, the call was disconnected. It was the last conversation which was made on the SP's phone, which is believed to be used by the terrorists to make calls to Pakistan.

"After we got alert about the incident (SP'S abduction), I tried making call on SP sahib's number. At around 3:26 am, the call got connected. When I said 'hello', the reply from other side came 'Salaam Alaikum'. I asked 'aap kaun' (who are you)? The receiver said 'aap kaun'? Then I told him this is my SP sahib's number. The call receiver said 'SP sahib kaun' (who SP sahib?). Then he disconnected the line," said SP's gunman Kulwinder Singh.
"I continued to say 'hello, hello' but the phone line was disconnected," Singh told PTI today. "It was the last call made on SP sahib's phone number," said Singh, who is SP Salwinder Singh's gunman for the last about five years.

SP's driver Rajpal Singh said, "After I got information from the control room about the incident, I also tried calling SP sahib's both mobile numbers. But I failed to connect it."
Yesterday, Punjab police had not ruled out the possibility that suspected militants had used SP's mobile to make a call to Pakistan. Suspected Pakistani terrorists in army uniform had abducted and thrashed the Superintendent of Police and his two associates before dumping them some distance away and speeding away in his vehicle in the wee hours of Friday near Kathlore bridge here.

SP Salwinder Singh, who was recently transferred as Assistant Commandant, 75th Battalion, Punjab Armed Police (PAP), said he and his friend Rajesh Verma, along with his cook Mohan Lal, were coming back after paying obeisance at Narot Jaimal Singh block last night when four-five men signalled them to stop their vehicle.
The SP added that they were overpowered by the suspected militants who drove away with them in their SUV. The SP and Lal were dumped near some distance while Verma was was thrown off the vehicle after some time with injury marks on his body.
Police had recovered SP's vehicle at Tajpur village near Dhira here near Indo-Pak border.

ISLAMABAD: Saudi Foreign Minister Adel bin Ahmed Al-Jubeir will arrive in Islamabad on Sunday to take Pakistani leadership into confidence over the Middle East situation and the recently formed 34-nation military alliance by the kingdom, it has been learnt.
Officials at the Foreign Office confirmed that the arriving foreign minister will meet Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif on Monday.( Doubt that "Ganja" is in the decision making loop; most likely a courtesy call to the ex resident of Saudia!)

The Saudi Arabia's foreign minister will also hold meetings with prime minister’s adviser Sartaj Aziz.
The officials further said that the purpose of the visit is to consult pressure Pakistan’s leadership over joining the anti-terrorism anti-Shia alliance.

Foreign Secretary Aizaz Chaudhry said he was surprised( in other words, not consulted )to read the news that Saudi Arabia had named Pakistan as part of the alliance.
The Foreign Office later welcomed the formation the alliance but said Islamabad is awaiting further details in this regard to to decide the extent of its participation.

Guddu wrote:Impotent rage is the phrase of the day. Is it going to be masala dosa or rava dosa.

Philip wrote:We all knew this was to happen,but didn't express negativity about the peace process with Pak,as one didn't want to be known as a "black tongue". Mr.Modi had to give it his best shot.ABV also tried. Now both have been backstabbed,though the Pathankot base beattack was not on the scale of Kargil by any means,the mentality of the perfidious Pakis remains true to their DNA. Nawaz Sharif is the "eunuch's eunuch".The real Sheriff of Pak wears a uniform.Raheel needs to be "brought to heel"

India can NEVER hope to establish peace with Pak unless there is a revolution in that country and its uniformed tribe are overwhelmed by some calamity throwing them into utter disgrace.

The Q then is not whether there will be a future conflict with Pak but WHEN? If we want to avoid that then Pak must be neutered by other means.India therefore has no alternative but to plan the dismemberment of Pak by any and every means,using proxies,overt and covert forces to annihilate the monster that the British created in the dismemberment of India. The Pakis print fake Indian currency,so too must we and flood their land with it. We must also never forget "perfidious Albion" as well as the "forked tongue paleface Yanqui".The US hs consistently provided Pak with aid and arms to wage war against India.It has not stopped doing so despite India's warm gestures to it. We must act on our own.

Said many a time before,India must up the ante with both diplomatic and military punishment of Pak.First diplomatic.Expel the Paki envoy.Ban our citizens from visiting Pak and theirs from visiting India,even for so-called "humanitarian" reaons.Stop Paki civilian overflights.Establish an "Iron curtain" between India and Pak on india,and as they've just done ,resort to terror when experiencing Paki terror. Send projectiles across the border to those locations where terror resides. Start assisting both the Baluchi and Sindh/Mohajir fissiparious entities in full force. Wage our own proxy war in Pak using terror as well. Sabotage as many Paki mil and key civil establishments. Hit their terror leadership in and out of uniform. Let them feel deep and wounding pain.India has taken enough slaps on its cheeks for decades.It's long past time to hit back.

A respectful message to Mr.Modi and the BJP leadership.Please don't repeat the mistakes of the Cong/UPA regime.They were even more impotent than eunuchs. Let's stop pussyfooting with talk of "there must be peace...there is no other alternative",There are.Alternatives to deeply and fatally wound Pak.They must be employed from now on.Make Pak pay every which way.

Falijee wrote:Saudi Abbu Arriving In Pakistan To Apply Pressure To Join 34-nation military alliance
Saudi FM arriving to discuss Pakistan's involvement in 34-nation military alliance

The Pakis made a "big deal" when USA "used" them as a condom and dropped them once they defeated the Soviets in Afghanistan; so, how is the Saudi Abbu different? they use and abuse the Pakis, as they feel like it BUT they belong to the UMMAH

The Pathankot attack may have been masterminded by the Pakistan Army's General Headquarters (GHQ) in Rawalpindi, as per an assessment by a section of the top Indian security establishment.

According to a senior intelligence official, the Pak GHQ is reportedly peeved at the positive reaction of the international community and media to PM Narendra Modi's Lahore diplomacy and Nawaz Sharif's hospitality and feels bypassed after the "fait accompli"

Though there were suggestions that the Pakistan army had backed the recent peace outreach, this narrative disagrees and feels ISI too is of the view that Modi's surprise visit to Lahore created a favourable civil society sentiment in Pakistan towards the civilian 'pro-peace' regime.

The Pakistan Army and ISI, this time around, kept aside their preferred agent Lashkar-e-Taiba, responsible for the 2008 26/11 strikes on Mumbai, and chose Jaish-e-Mohammed, an ISI asset less in the news, to hit Pathankot. This, they felt, would ensure more deniability. Headed by Maulana Masood Azhar, one of three terrorists swapped to end the IC-814 hostage crisis of 1999, Jaish is being resurrected over the past few years.

The Pathankot attackers were part of the Bahawalpur group of Jaish and spoke in Multani dialect, common to south Punjab, during phone calls with their Pakistan-based masterminds. Four calls were made in the intervening night of Friday and Saturday, three to terrorists' Pakistan-based Jaish handlers and one to a family member of a fidayeen. The calls were intercepted by the agencies.

While one of the fidayeen has been identified as Nasir, the two handlers who were heard instructing the attackers to blow up aircraft at Pathankot airbase were called Maulana Ashfaq and Haji Abdul Shaqur. In 2008, the 10-member LeT attack module, including Kasab, was instructed in a similar way by their handlers from a control room in Karachi.

Sources said the objective of the Pathankot attack was to cause damage to air force base assets and technical assets and kill as many personnel as possible. This, some senior officers of the intelligence establishment feel, was meant to provoke the Indian defence establishment and political opposition to retaliate -- undo India-Pakistan peace dialogue and so scuttle the foreign secretary-level talks less than a fortnight away. This would also help bring back focus on Pakistan military propaganda painting their country a victim of terrorism, facing an aggressive eastern (India) neighbour and an India-influenced Afghanistan.{So, this is the 'spin' that the government want to put for continuing with its talks? It does not help India to defend the democratic government of Pakistan hoping that it can 'divide-and-rule'. The PA is far too powerful for that and GoI knows that. We must not let ourselves be caught in our own delusional thinking. There must be stoppage of talks and these can resume earnestly after appropriate retribution is done and seen to be done too.}

ldev wrote:When (not if) the next terrorist attack happens.

There’s no denying the fact that an attack like this was going to happen sooner or later. Even the most optimistic person wouldn’t believe that Modi’s recent diplomatic overtures to Pakistan were going to halt terrorism overnight. Now it’s up to the government to respond appropriately to the Pathankot attack. In this regard, it would be foolish to again stop the dialogue process. The foreign secretaries of the two countries are supposed to meet in the middle of this month and that meeting should go ahead as planned. In fact, the occasion can be used by the Indian side to strongly take up the Pathankot incident.Subsequently, Pakistani authorities should be compelled to take action against these camps. And if they don’t comply, the message should be conveyed that India is free to exercise covert operations to neutralise the threats. As a matter of fact, developing such covert anti-terror capability must be made a key component of India’s approach towards Pakistan. In that sense, India’s policy could be similar to China’s. The latter is fully invested in pursuing government-to-government ties and economic cooperation with other countries in the region. However, it has also invested in developing its military capabilities and adopted a clear doctrine for military action.Accordingly, the Chinese military is committed to the principle “we will not be the first to attack, but will surely counter-attack – at a time and place of our choosing – if attacked”. It’s this approach that also makes the Chinese armed forces a strategic bargaining chip for Beijing to conduct its foreign policy. Hence, India should do a China on Pakistan. It should keep talks with Islamabad alive and convey its intentions to boost bilateral engagements. But it should also convey that terror strikes emanating from Pakistani soil will be firmly dealt with and that a response is guaranteed in a manner, time and place of our choosing.

Gus wrote:Are phone plans by default have intl call making approved? I am assuming that is a govt plan in the phone or is it a personal phone and plan?