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In the intricate fabric of international affairs, China’s foray into the Gulf region epitomises a sophisticated exercise of soft power encompassing economic, social, and cultural interplays. This nuanced engagement, as evident in China’s ‘1 + 2 + 3’ strategy articulated by Xi Jinping, underscores a strategic penetration into the Gulf’s vital economic and technological sectors, prioritising energy cooperation, infrastructure, and high-tech advancements.[8] Such manoeuvres not only amplify China’s sway but subtly recalibrate regional power dynamics, rendering China an indispensable ally. This is particularly manifest in China’s investments aimed at enhancing refineries for high-sulphur content oil [9], a move that intertwines China’s economic prowess with the Gulf’s energy matrix, thereby projecting a power-alignment approach that veers from traditional narratives of state sovereignty towards a more complex interdependence.

By embedding Chinese goods and services into the daily lives of millions, China secures healthy promotion of its market expansion and cultivates a favourable image, positioning itself as a beacon of efficiency, innovation, and modernization. This multifaceted soft power strategy, leveraging low politics, not only caters to China’s interests but also envisions a shared trajectory of growth and cooperation, positioning China as a pivotal architect in the Gulf’s socio-economic future.

Furthermore, the Gulf countries’ multi-alignment strategy significantly complements China’s strategic overtures, wherein China has surpassed the United States in bilateral trade with almost all individual Gulf countries. The narrative of the Chinese political system as highly efficient while being autocratic is luring for Gulf nations that are either theocratic, monarchies or dictatorships [11]. This is perfectly summed up by Lee Morgenbesser, who terms this portrayal as a ‘Menu of Autocratic Innovation’, showcasing China’s adeptness as a model of governance that is pragmatically beneficial to its Gulf partners [12].
It has now matured into a sophisticated canvas of strategic partnerships that are marked by technology exchanges and a shared heritage narrative (low politics) around Hindu temple symbolism.[14] It reflects a nuanced approach that goes well beyond transactional diplomacy. Notably, this includes moves towards bolstering groupism under the shadow of military security and defence cooperation, especially as part of naval exercises.[15] Subsequently, the strategic pivot under the Modi–regime marked by significant technology transfer, business-first diplomacy, and the formation of I2U2 grouping with the US, Israel, and the UAE highlights India’s new strategy in the geopolitical arena.[16] The ability to navigate complex alliances and leverage both multilevel and bilateral lines showcases India’s diplomatic agility and belief in multiple discours-ical associations.
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The initial memorandum of understanding for IMEC – signed by the United States, the European Union, France, Germany, Italy, India, the United Arab Emirates, and Saudi Arabia – envisioned two sections: an eastern maritime link between India and the Gulf, and a northern section that would connect the Arabian Peninsula to Europe. These would be connected by a new railway network to link the Gulf with the Mediterranean via Jordan and Israel. Beyond the transport infrastructure, undersea cables would facilitate the exchange of data, while long-distance hydrogen pipelines would boost the participants’ climate and decarbonisation goals.
European Commission president Ursula von der Leyen hailed the pact as “nothing less than historic”. India’s prime minister Narendra Modi said IMEC would be “the basis of world trade for years to come”, while US president Joe Biden called it “a really big deal.” Saudi Arabia’s Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman echoed Biden almost verbatim, stating “it is a big deal for us, and for Europe [and] for India”. The parties set themselves a deadline of 60 days to put forward more detailed plans for IMEC’s implementation.
February 2024 saw India and the UAE sign the first formal agreement on the corridor’s development and France’s president Emmanuel Macron appoint a special envoy on IMEC. At the Raisina Dialogue in New Delhi later that month, the Greek prime minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis stressed the importance of the corridor and the need to better connect the EU with India. As Modi said at Raisina, “this is an inter-generational project, and it would be a mistake to see it through the prism of any one event or conflict.” These small signs of activity bode well for a return to formal planning involving all the main parties.
The BRI’s most significant artery to date is perhaps the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC). This road and rail corridor runs from the Gwadar and Karachi ports in the Gulf of Oman to Islamabad and then on to the Chinese border town of Kashgar. Parallel to the transport route, Beijing has invested in extensive energy infrastructure including coal power plants, gas pipelines, and wind farms. Through CPEC, Beijing aims to create a strategic avenue for Chinese trade on the Pakistani coast, avoiding the sea trade chokepoint of the Malacca Strait that connects the Indian and Pacific oceans. While its benefits for Pakistan’s economic growth are questionable, China has acquired significant political influence in the country.

In this way, China has established political and economic leverage in countries across the world and constrained its rivals. But, notwithstanding the importance of these political gains, the ten-year scorecard of the BRI is mixed at best: after peaking in the mid-2010s, Beijing’s investment abroad is declining as the country faces mounting domestic economic pressures. And, while the initiative has provided much-needed connectivity in the recipient countries, it has also done so without boosting local, value-added production and has left developing countries indebted to Beijing, meaning many of these countries are now looking elsewhere.
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But this 21st century trade route will also feature undersea internet cables and pipelines to transport electricity and hydrogen to Europe and India, produced using renewable sources in the Arabian peninsula.

The agreement to establish IMEC was reached largely thanks to the Biden administration’s diplomatic efforts :roll:, and the project builds on various US interests. Firstly, IMEC reflects the United States’ goal to stabilise the Middle East and sustain the momentum of the Abraham Accords between Israel and Arab countries.

At the same time, IMEC ties in strongly to US attempts to establish a closer political, economic, and security relationship with India, building on the Quadrilateral Security Dialogue with Japan and Australia. It also extends Washington’s 2021 efforts to form the public-private I2U2 group, which sees the US and India cooperating with Israel and the UAE on economic issues. And it is not by chance that IMEC was announced during a special event on the margins of the G20 about the US-led Partnership for Global Infrastructure and Investment (PGII), a joint G7 effort launched in 2022 to unite existing infrastructure strategies under a single political umbrella.
Part of the European response has been an infrastructure ‘offensive’, largely directed towards the global south. In December 2021, the EU launched Global Gateway, a strategy to leverage public and private investments of up to €300 billion for sustainable infrastructure in developing countries. The initiative has a unifying vision to support the green transition around the world. But so far, Global Gateway has focused on projects decided well before its launch. And, despite the substantial resources the EU has announced for Global Gateway projects (more than €40 billion in guarantees, €18 billion in grants, and roughly €145 billion in previously planned investments from member states’ development finance institutions), the initiative does not involve plans for any new connectivity routes. IMEC could begin to address this lack of innovation and enhance Global Gateway with concrete new investments.
From the European perspective, de-risking is about reducing exposure to China in value chains and limiting vulnerabilities in case of weaponisation of trade. China is by far the biggest source of imports into the EU, representing 20.5 per cent of the bloc’s imports in 2023. This share increases to more than 90 per cent for components vital for the green transition, from solar panels to rare earths. Forthcoming EU legislation such as the Net-Zero Industry Act agreed in February 2024 aims to boost the bloc’s domestic production of key green technologies and reduce its reliance on a single external supplier; while the bloc’s 2023 Economic Security Strategy sets out plans to address supply chain and dependency risks. This also applies to excessive reliance on China as an export market – since the country is a key destination for EU manufactured goods, especially in the automotive and pharmaceutical industries.
The governments of the three EU member state IMEC participants are on board with de-risking and are distancing themselves from Beijing. Germany’s 2023 Strategy on China lays bare the government’s concerns about Beijing’s role in its supply chains; German naval deployments in the Indo-Pacific also support the de-risking agenda, establishing the basis for greater economic and security cooperation with India. The French Indo-Pacific Strategy, meanwhile, calls for a diversification of suppliers and a reduction in dependencies via greater cooperation with actors in the region. Indeed, it is from this perspective of economic security and resilience that French policymakers largely view their own participation in IMEC.[1] The third member state, Italy, has opted out of its participation in the BRI and views IMEC both as a tool to increase exports to India and to underpin the role of Italian construction firms in Indian infrastructure.

In the private sector, European and US firms are diversifying away from China in their investment decisions, with India rising as a primary destination of investments in new facilities. Between 2021 and 2022, European and US foreign direct investments announced for greenfield developments in India almost quadrupled, increasing by $65 billion. India is attracting a growing share of investments in the semiconductor, electric vehicle, and battery industries – which favour its location, large workforce, and expanding economy.
The Mediterranean stretch of IMEC largely overlaps with that of the planned EastMed-Poseidon pipeline – a joint initiative from Italian energy firm Edison and the Greek company DEPA International Projects that would transport Israeli and Cypriot natural gas to Greece and then Italy. If the EU could incorporate this 2,000km pipeline into the IMEC plans and complement it with the corridor’s transport connections, it would have a mutually reinforcing effect: EastMed would no longer be a standalone project but part of a strategic corridor, while the pipeline would ground IMEC’s energy component in reality.

The EU has included the EastMed pipeline in its list of “projects of common interest” (a set of infrastructure projects the bloc deems crucial to its energy and climate goals). But the war in Gaza has delayed the final investment decision from the partners. If approved, the pipeline would take just three years to complete since the preliminary infrastructure has already been deployed.[2] As liquefied natural gas (LNG) shipped from the US and the Gulf has largely replaced Russian natural gas in the EU, a new pipeline gas supply from the eastern Mediterranean such as this would help reduce European exposure to global LNG dynamics. Transporting LNG by ship renders LNG supplies vulnerable to disruption of maritime trade: southern Europe, for instance, is facing delays in deliveries from Qatar due to the crisis in the Red Sea.

A gas pipeline is hardly an investment in the green transition. But EastMed could support European net-zero ambitions if it was constructed as a “transition pipeline”. These pipelines are built to transport progressively high shares of hydrogen in a process known as ‘blending’ (mixing natural gas with hydrogen to create a less polluting fuel). If it is constructed as such, the EastMed pipeline could be used within IMEC to import green hydrogen produced by Gulf countries, which have invested massively in this sector and would be incentivised to do so further. To recover the cost of around €6 billion for the project, suppliers would usually require decades-long gas contracts, which are at odds with European emission targets and current trends in gas demand. Europeans would have to deploy the pipeline for hydrogen as soon as possible to reduce the risks of gas lock-in that could result from the investment. This would enable the EU to limit gas purchases to current European needs; green hydrogen could play a major role in decarbonising EU heavy industry in the future.


IMEC also overlaps with the EU’s Euro-Asia Interconnector – an electricity cable that began construction in 2022 and that mostly follows the same route as the EastMed pipeline, linking the electricity grids of Greece, Cyprus, and Israel. While the cable represents a key component of the EU’s energy resilience in itself, it becomes even more relevant in the context of IMEC’s planned interconnector. This could eventually link up with the EuroAsia cable, enabling Europeans to benefit from the significant potential of the Gulf states in renewable energy production. IMEC would therefore help expand the range of potential suppliers of green energy to Europe, going beyond countries on the southern Mediterranean such as Morocco.
Firstly, there is financing. Even though the EU and its member states would not be required to finance the entirety of the corridor, initial suggestions of $3-8 billion for each section appear to underestimate the true costs by a vast amount. Saudi Arabia has pledged $20 billion, but even that is unlikely to cover a major share. The combined cost of just the Euro-Asia Interconnector and the EastMed pipeline would already amount to half that sum (around $6.5 billion for the pipeline and $3.9 billion for the interconnector). Any new gas or hydrogen pipelines and electricity interconnectors would likely equal or surpass those amounts. Heavy railway lines are notoriously expensive to build, costing a global average of $14.6m per km of track.

Moreover, with Piraeus as the landing point, goods would then embark on a route from Greece, through the Western Balkans, and on to northern and western Europe that currently has limited railway links, forcing some travel by truck. This makes transport less efficient, more polluting, and for long distances hardly any cheaper than current routes. A single European endpoint would also constitute a chokepoint for the corridor, limiting its ability to withstand local shocks or disruptions. European economic resilience would therefore be better served by multiple EU ports receiving IMEC’s flows.

A similar reasoning applies to other sections of the corridor: upgrades of the Israeli port of Haifa have been disrupted by the current war – a powerful reminder of the security threats that loom over that leg of the corridor.
Leaders in Saudi Arabia and the UEA envision an economic future where they would be primary trade hubs for goods travelling between Europe and Asia. They are also working towards diversifying their economies away from their previous dependence on hydrocarbons exports. Abu Dhabi is ahead of Riyadh on this long road – the non-oil sector now accounts for 70 per cent of the Emirati GDP compared to 60 per cent in Saudi Arabia – but the latter is picking up pace through its Vision 2030 strategy. The IMEC plans for green hydrogen pipelines to supply Europe would respond to Gulf states’ ambitions to play a major role in the energy transition and maintain their centrality in future energy markets.
IMEC builds on existing railway initiatives in the Gulf. Specifically, the GCC Railway launched in 2009 that will connect all six GCC states through a network of national and transnational lines. Estimates for the cost of this project were initially around $15.4 billion for roughly 2,117km of railways, due for completion by 2018. Since the very beginning, however, the railway has been beset by delays and cost increases. The Qatar blockade – the 2017-2021 diplomatic crisis when Riyadh and Abu Dhabi blocked most cross border services with Doha – and the covid-19 pandemic then caused the railway to miss an updated 2021 deadline.

But detente among the GCC states and the prospect of IMEC have since provided a boost, and today estimates point to 2030 for the completion of all lines. Unloading goods in the Gulf and moving them on trains through Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and Israel could save between 10-12 days in travel times to Europe compared to shipping alone. IMEC should therefore also motivate the expansion of existing plans into new lines, despite their construction costs and the expense involved in loading and unloading.
Across this leg of IMEC, perhaps the most dangerous tension of all is entirely internal to the GCC. Far from being united in purpose, over the past decade Saudi Arabia and the UAE have become ensnared in a bitter rivalry that touches all domains related to the project. Riyadh’s and Abu Dhabi’s competition for GCC economic leadership increasingly resembles a zero-sum game, in which each strives to maximise its own gains from the corridor while minimising those of its opponent. Saudi leaders promote their own ports, or those of Oman, as alternatives to Khalifah. Riyadh also seems in no hurry to complete the GCC Railway connection with its rival. And Saudi Arabia’s increasing protectionism when it comes to Emirati goods casts a shadow over such essential features of IMEC as regulatory harmonisation and trade facilitation. This all clashes with Emirati leaders' own moves to become the region's primary trade hub and imperils cross-border connectivity.

Regional and international rivalries also play out in IMEC’s digital component. Bypassing Egypt, the corridor largely mirrors the Blue-Raman cable system, an undersea internet connection between southern Europe and India that is currently under construction. This cable would firmly establish the Gulf as the digital anchor linking Europe and India, and IMEC would enhance its strategic value. Blue-Raman’s main investor is Google
One project that could reduce the impact of a future crisis in the Strait of Hormuz is the development of the Duqm-Riyadh railway – already under study – that would link the Western Omani port with the Saudi capital, adding a new entry point less exposed to instability. Europeans should press for these plans to move forward. Bringing Oman on board would also reinforce IMEC’s role as a stabilisation tool since the country has a long tradition of mediating between regional rivals. And the railway could help contain the risks posed by the rivalry between Abu Dhabi and Riyadh.

IMEC’s landing points in Europe would benefit from diversification too. For instance, Europeans should consider adding Marseille in France and Gioia Tauro in southern Italy (where there is no Chinese involvement) as landing points, and consider including the Adriatic coast. These ports would best complement Greece’s majority Chinese-owned Piraeus due to their integration with the continent’s railway network and their capacity to handle large container volumes.
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^ Thank you for sharing
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all good, Manish_P ji, forum is looking a little bleak in terms of articles and factual discourse, either members are not reading much or they are holding out on sharing interesting literature, dont know which is worse
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ricky_v wrote: 28 Apr 2024 13:54 all good, Manish_P ji, forum is looking a little bleak in terms of articles and factual discourse, either members are not reading much or they are holding out on sharing interesting literature, dont know which is worse
A loss for those like myself who wish to learn and understand. Also bulletin board forums like these are a bit tough as the info is spread across multiple pages/threads unless collated and put as a 'sticky' post.

<OT>Really wish this forum had dedicated thread solely populated by admins who could post the good enriching posts or maybe a 'flag and filter' kind of functionality wherein Admins/Mods could flag specific posts as say 'Star' and then one could simply go to any thread and click on Star filter to get all those quality posts, of that thread, one below the other.</OT>
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Manish_P wrote: 28 Apr 2024 22:25
<OT>Really wish this forum had dedicated thread solely populated by admins who could post the good enriching posts or maybe a 'flag and filter' kind of functionality wherein Admins/Mods could flag specific posts as say 'Star' and then one could simply go to any thread and click on Star filter to get all those quality posts, of that thread, one below the other.</OT>
its a super good idea, maybe something like a like counter on each post, with any post getting 5 or 10 upvotes, depending on user engagement, would result in an instant archiving of the post in the best of thread, no downvotes as its not a popularity system but rather something that the wider consensus has recognised to be shared with the wider forum, something for the mods to consider.

https://www.meforum.org/65616/kuwait-he ... -and-saudi
After the victory of the Iranian revolution in 1979 and the formation of the wilayat-e faqih system centered around the religious rule of the Iranian leader,[6] Iran adopted the slogans of the global Islamic state, exporting the revolution, and protecting the weak on Earth.[7] With a commitment to employ all its capabilities to achieve this,[8] the Iranian project to penetrate the countries of the region depends on the formation of political groups and entities that it associates with, and then creating a state of instability in the countries of the region to become politically and militarily failed states.[9] The Arab revolutions and crises in the region from 2003 to 2011 led to the weakening of the central authority of the state in Lebanon, Iraq, Syria, and Yemen. In such countries, Iran enjoys a huge presence of sympathizers, supporters, and even fighters, who are whole-heartedly devoted to the Iranian project of expansionism in the Middle East, which gave Iran the opportunity to implement its hegemony over those countries via sub-state actors (Shiite minorities in Iraq, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, and Kuwait) and political entities loyal to Iran (Lebanese Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad in Gaza, Houthis in Yemen, military intervention in Syria). Iran appeared euphoric over the disintegration of the pro-Western Arab order and saw an "Islamic awakening" on the move with a broader role for its Shiite network. In view of this, Saudi Arabia attempted to lead a unified Arab and Islamic alliance against Iran and tried to support those countries and strengthen their military authorities to be able to restrict the presence of groups and non-state actors such as the Lebanese Hezbollah and the Iraqi militias backed by Iran.[10], [11]
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Historically, bilateral relations between Iran and Kuwait have been affected by Iran's external behavior, which since the Iranian revolution in 1979 has depended on interfering in the internal affairs of neighboring countries by adopting, under the ideology of 'Vilayet al Faqih', (Rule of the Jurisprudent) the principle of exporting the revolution, reviving the role of Shiites in the region (strengthening Shiites in Lebanon, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Bahrain), and playing a role on the regional and international stages. Kuwait's indigenous Shiite communities responded to the Iranian revolution of 1979 by organizing a series of mass meetings and demonstrations. The authorities countered by deporting a prominent Shia cleric with close ties to Iran and expelling a large number of politically suspect expatriates. In the early 1980s, Shiite militants launched a wave of bombings and hijackings in an attempt to undermine the authority of the Al-Sabah. The ruling family turned to nationalists and Bedouins as a way of rallying support for the political system among Kuwaiti citizens.[14] There has come to be a mutually beneficial relationship between the rise of Iran's political position and the roles of its allies in the Middle East, which has strengthened the position of Shiite identity in the regional and international political arena.[15] This has been accomplished through a number of different means and methods, including the recruitment of agents in these countries, in addition to carrying out operations of violence and terrorism in order to destabilize internal stability and influence the positions of Kuwait.
In 2012, the dispute over the continental shelf area on the maritime borders between the two countries returned, involving the "Al-Durra field" (Iran calls it the Arash field), which is the water triangle located in the north of the Arabian Gulf. The bulk of it is located on the common border between Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, but part is located on the Iranian side, which is estimated at only 5 percent of the total field.[17] The roots of the dispute go back to Iran granting the right of exploration and exploitation to British Petroleum, while Kuwait granted the concession to Royal Dutch Shell, and the two concessions intersected in part of the field. Kuwait protested Iran's search for gas in the field, in which no agreement was reached regarding the demarcation of the borders, summoned the chargé d'affaires of the Iranian embassy in Kuwait and handed him a protest note. Although this dispute relates to a sovereign right, it did not lead to a direct clash or military intervention. Rather, the two countries have space for diplomatic movement to avoid the impact of this file on the course of relations in a way that amounts to confrontation or estrangement.[18]
The roots of Saudi–Kuwaiti relations began at the start of the twentieth century, when Kuwait hosted the founder of the modern Saudi state, King Abdul Aziz Al Saud, after the fall of Riyadh to the Al Rashid state in northern Saudi Arabia, followed by its recapture from the authority of Al Rashid. King Abdul Aziz, after the matter was settled in Riyadh, decided to expand his rule to an extent that prompted conflict with the Kuwaiti government at the time, during the era of Sheikh Salem Al-Mubarak Al-Sabah.[25] The conflict ended with the Uqair Protocol of 1922, which defined the borders between Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, and the establishment of a neutral zone between the two countries.[26] Economic differences between the two countries began to emerge after the Uqair agreement, and ended in 1940 after a peaceful settlement was reached under British auspices. On April 20, 1942, the two countries signed several agreements aimed at regulating political, economic, and security relations, and one of the main results of these agreements was the establishment of the divided zone between Kuwait and Saudi Arabia in what was known as the neutral zone in 1965, which resulted in the delineation of borderlands between the two countries reflecting the balance of power at the time in the region.[27] In 2000, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia also concluded a maritime boundary agreement that settled the issue of the final boundary between the two countries. During the period between 2009 and 2019, a dispute between Kuwait and Saudi Arabia over the divided zone led to a halt in hydrocarbon production, starting in 2014, until the final border arrangements were reached, but the different interpretations of the Kuwaiti–Saudi border problems led to a fifth agreement in 2019. Its aim was to achieve greater clarity and settle the question of boundaries.[28]
In the aftermath of the Arab Spring revolutions, Saudi Arabia abandoned its traditional foreign policy track in favor of a more dominant one. Saudi Arabia has traditionally attempted to influence the other Gulf countries to align with Riyadh, but it has redoubled this effort in the post-2011 period. Saudi Arabia took a counterrevolutionary position against the Arab uprisings and revolutions and expected other countries in the Gulf to follow suit. Saudi Arabia attempted to pressure countries like Kuwait and Bahrain to provide financial support to the Egyptian government. Saudi Arabia foreign policy became more assertive in the early period of King Salman's rule.[32]

Under this atmosphere of Saudi–Iranian competition, the Kuwaiti strategy has been based on sheltering from the conflicts of the major powers in the region by seeking, in the first place, to preserve its existence. Kuwait has been keen to look for an influential regional role to relieve the pressures of those countries and to prevent expansionist attempts.

As a result of the geographical dilemma of the State of Kuwait, it has tried to adopt inexpensive foreign policies, which tend to be cautious, and to avoid provoking crises with Iran and Saudi Arabia. In implementing its foreign policy, it has relied heavily on multilateral diplomatic tools, international conferences, and regional organizations, as well as economic relations, so its external decisions are more related to maximizing economic gains and benefits.
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https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-ea ... 024-05-20/
Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi killed in helicopter crash, official says
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Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi and his foreign minister were killed in a helicopter crash in mountainous terrain and icy weather, an Iranian official said on Monday, after search teams located the wreckage in East Azerbaijan province.
"President Raisi, the foreign minister and all the passengers in the helicopter were killed in the crash," the senior Iranian official told Reuters, asking not to be named because of the sensitivity of the matter.
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Alright, who put mangos in Raisi's helicopter?

You go to pukiland and make some secret deal after exchanging some missile shots... and wouldn't you know it, you get some mangos gifted to you. 🥭 🥭 🥭

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Rare shooting incident in Muscat, Oman during Ramadan. At least 4 reported killed with multiple injuries. Apparently firing continued even after emergency services arrived.

Oman Observer

Extremely surprising given the tight gun control and from the sound of the gunshots it seemed it was a professional shooting.

Oman is atypical in being a non-Sunni majority Gulf Arab state and forms the other boundary of the Hormuz Straits on the Arabian Gulf opposite Iran. Hope this is not an attempt to stoke another fire in the region.

UPDATE

My initial guess about the cause seems right. It is a Shia Mosque
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Chaiwala sources say that the city is awash with rumors about sectarian forces at play. Though Shia's represent about 7% of the population, under the Late Sultan Qaboos, Shia's, specially the Lawati community enjoyed a privileged position. They ended up as important government ministries and building up sizable business, so there is an undercurrent of resentment under this.

I am hoping that this is nipped in the bud, else, instability in Oman (a Houthi like insurgency) could mean choking of the Arabian Sea. Will drive crude prices through the roof because Kuwaiti, Saudi and Emirati crude will have to run the gauntlet. Maybe even Irani crude from Bandar Abbas.

And this could just be a pretext for Iran to try and meddle, and then all bets are off of an American attack on Iran.
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https://www.csis.org/analysis/hasan-alh ... ulf-states
This week on Babel, Jon Alterman speaks with Dr. Hasan Alhasan, a research fellow at the International Institute for Strategic Studies based in Manama, Bahrain. Prior to joining IISS, he served for five years on the staff of the Crown Prince of Bahrain as a senior analyst on foreign policy and national security.
Jon Alterman: So how would you differentiate the different approaches of Gulf states? What are the similarities? You mentioned the Saudis and the Emiratis talking about prisoner exchanges, but what are the differences in how Gulf states perceive the world and how they act?

Hasan Alhasan: I tend to think that the similarities are greater than the differences. If you look at the crux of their foreign policies, their threat perceptions, and their national security strategies, I see more similarities than differences. They are all U.S. strategic partners. They rely on the presence of foreign powers, the United States first and foremost, to protect and safeguard their national interests. They perceive Iran to varying degrees as the source of a potential threat. They are open economies. They are oil exporters; they are gas exporters.

The similarities that bring them together are greater than the differences that set them apart, but obviously, there are significant differences. Historically, their relationships with the Muslim Brotherhood have been quite different. Their relationships with regional powers, such as Turkey and Iran, have also been different, at least on the tactical level as far as Iran is concerned. You have countries like Oman, Qatar, and even Kuwait to some extent, that have traditionally been more willing to engage with Iran. They see that as being a more effective means of managing that large and potentially threatening neighbor. But you see differences in their relationships with Turkey. For example, Qatar clearly has a very strong relationship with Turkey. That aligns, more or less, with the fact that Qatar tends to be more permissive and open to the Muslim Brotherhood, at least on the regional level, not within Qatar's domestic polity.

So, in a sense, you do see these differences and they can be significant. They have been very significant over the past decade, especially with the Arab Spring, which was a period characterized by rivalries and competition over who gets to exert more influence within the region and who gets to shape geopolitical outcomes.

Jon Alterman: It also seems to me that their approaches to China have been different. Saudi Arabia seemed to be much more interested in getting closer to China, then it became much less interested in getting closer to China. We've seen the United Arab Emirates seeming to get closer to China and then striking this deal on AI that seems to align it more closely with the United States. How do countries differentiate a future relationship with the United States and a future relationship with China?
There is commonality in not wanting to choose. None of the Gulf states have chosen to enforce Western sanctions against Russia precisely because they share this realization. Beyond that, their appetites and their room for maneuvering and engaging with China—and even Russia—differ quite significantly. In the past, until rather recently, the UAE had clearly taken the lead in establishing and positioning itself as China's most significant interlocutor in the Gulf, but Saudi Arabia has really grown a much bigger appetite for engaging with China. You see that happening at the scientific, technological, economic levels, but also increasingly in defense.

You see it increasingly with Bahrain as well, which recently struck a strategic partnership agreement with China, even though Bahrain was perhaps the slowest of the Gulf countries to really build a relationship with China. Oman also has an interest. It's the only Gulf state to have received soft loans from China to support its budget, and it relies massively on the Chinese market for oil exports. But the pace of diplomatic relations varies somewhat with Kuwait and Qatar being slower to build a more robust relationship with the Chinese.
Hasan Alhasan: That tells you quite a bit about UAE decision-making and why the UAE decided to press ahead with Huawei despite the risk of foregoing the F-35 deal. That's part of the pushback against the zero-sum equation that the United States is trying to impose. In certain areas like AI where the United States continues to have an advantage over China, I think you'll see the Emiratis pragmatically decide to align with the United States. The Saudis have been somewhat more on the defensive. I wouldn't be surprised to see a two-system approach where sovereign wealth funds or state-owned enterprises align with the United States, whereas education institutions might seek cooperation with the Chinese. You might really start seeing this kind of behavior to try and maximize the benefits of engaging with both parties.
now onto India
Jon Alterman: We've talked about China, and we've mentioned Russia, but we haven't mentioned a country you know a lot about: India. Are we underestimating the future role of India? People talk about India as a strong middle power becoming—as some Indians see it—a weak Great Power. India's involvement in the Gulf has been growing. As we think about the geopolitics of the Gulf, do we need to pay more attention to the changing role of India?

Hasan Alhasan: If anything, there's been a degree of overexcitement in Washington about the potential role that India could play in the Middle East and the Western Indian Ocean. The idea that the United States could create a network knitting together partners in the Indian Ocean with partners in the Middle East. We've seen that manifest itself in I2U2, which brings together India, Israel, the United Arab Emirates, and the United States. We’ve also seen it with IMEC, or the India-Middle East-Europe Economic Corridor, which is supposed to be this multimodal transport and trade corridor linking India to Europe through the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and Israel. Betting on a larger role for India has been somewhat of a hallmark of this present administration's approach to the Middle East.

At this point in time, India has little to offer. India doesn't have really much capital to put on the table; it’s looking to attract investments from the Gulf. It doesn't yet have the willingness to be a full security partner for the United States in the region. Yes, it's become an observer of the Combined Maritime Forces, but it's not a fully participating member. That partially has to do with the fact that India doesn't like to follow the United States’ lead when it comes to security and defense constructs in the Indian Ocean, but it is also because of Pakistan's membership in the Combined Maritime Forces.


Beyond that, India's foreign policy in the region has not evolved to such an extent. It doesn't have the toolkit to be an influential player that could shape geopolitical outcomes in a way consistent with U.S. foreign policy, or even in a way that makes a significant difference to the region—not just yet at least.

Jon Alterman: You certainly have India-China tensions, and India might see the Gulf as a way to address some of its challenges and competition with China. Could that impact the situation in the Gulf, or do they really have too few tools to be impactful?

Hasan Alhasan: I do think India is concerned about China's growing influence in the Gulf. They tend to see it within the framework of a so-called “string of pearls” policy. The idea that China could end up encircling India and the Indian Ocean by building ports and dual-use infrastructure that it could weaponize in times of war. They see Chinese investments in ports like Duqm, the UAE, and potentially even in Iran. Meanwhile, the Iranians seem to be playing hardball with the Indians on Chabahar port, which is a port that the Indians were supposed to be developing for over two decades, but they faced obstacles partly due to U.S. sanctions. The Iranians played hardball at some point by threatening to bring in the Chinese on various contracts, and that spooked the Indians.

India does have a great deal of concern about what they perceive to be China's growing influence in the region. Now, I do think India's concerns are also exaggerated, because I don't think China can force a geopolitical outcome in the region that countries in the region did not want in the first place. China doesn't have that kind of leverage over the Gulf states. However, I don't think that India is willing or able to expand a lot of diplomatic capital—nor do I think is it able to do anything—to stem China's growing influence in the Gulf region at this point.
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Egypt Has Chosen Chinese J-10 Jets

What does this mean?
Egypt is Israel's largest immediate neighbor by far.
US has always tried to keep them on its leash, supplying all the arms and aid, while their economy stays on the dole.

Is Egypt gradually loosening from USA's grip, like Turkey did?

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https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/he ... 6ac6&ei=14

Head Of Iran's Secret Service Unit To Counter Mossad Turned Out Mossad Operative: Ex-Iran President
Ahmadinejad claims that Mossad was successful in enlisting a number of Iranian intelligence unit personnel, including the senior leadership. He claims that some twenty Iranian operatives were giving critical material to Israel while operating as double agents. Ahmadinejad said that the operation's objective was to pilfer sensitive knowledge about Iran's nuclear programe

documents pertaining to Iran were pilfered from tehran
Mossad agents broke into a Tehrani warehouse and opened safes to take over 100,000 classified papers. More than two dozen agents participated in the six-hour operation. The world narrative on Iran's nuclear goals was greatly impacted by these files, which offered comprehensive information about Iran's development of nuclear weapons.


The U.S. government's approach to Iran was significantly shaped by the stolen materials. The United States withdrew from the 2015 nuclear agreement with Iran after then-President Donald Trump received a secret briefing from Netanyahu. The documents' release supported claims that Iran was not abiding by the provisions of the deal, which aimed to reduce Iran's nuclear aspirations in exchange for the removal of sanctions.
According to Ahmadinejad's most recent accusations, Mossad's activities within Iran could have been far more widespread than previously thought
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Egypt seems to have some serious military hardware.

Much shown on this twitter threads

https://x.com/viktornaumenk99/status/18 ... 92841?s=46

https://x.com/viktornaumenk99/status/18 ... 18002?s=46
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AdityaM wrote: 10 Oct 2024 07:03 Egypt seems to have some serious military hardware.

Much shown on this twitter threads

https://x.com/viktornaumenk99/status/18 ... 92841?s=46

https://x.com/viktornaumenk99/status/18 ... 18002?s=46
Their procurement is like a zoo, not much of the ordinance or spare parts made locally, imagine each unit is trained differently, equipment which really cannot talk to each other. Exotic in Videos but hardly effective in a real war, the Isrealis for eg, have made sure no AMRAAM's on their F!16s them, Their Rafale is without AESA radar etc..

They are allowed to dominate their African neighbors as long as they don't attack Israel - otherwise they will treated like Gaza or Lebanon, it s not voluntary, most of Hamas pre 7 Oct 23 weapons went through underground roads built with heavy equipment.
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Their procurement is like a zoo, not much of the ordinance or spare parts made locally, imagine each unit is trained differently, equipment which really cannot talk to each other. Exotic in Videos but hardly effective in a real war,
So basically like Indian armed forces.
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It’s kicking off again in Syria.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn5w0ype0vlo

In a major excursion into Syria, Turkish backed rebels (HTS, which is basically the Nusrah fundoos with a new acronym) have captured parts of Aleppo and surrounding area.

Videos of SAA and Russian soldiers dead and/ or in shambolic retreat. An Iranian IRGC Brigadier dead.

There is significant damage to the prestige of Iran, Russia and of course Assad in the region. Although there are reports of Russian air strikes.

Many gaalis coming Erdogan’s way for “stabbing fellow Muslims in the back onlee at a sensitive time” (Israel war).
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The offensive against Aleppo initiated by Turkish-allied Islamists from Hayat Tahir Al-Sham (a re-branded Al Qaeda that has made common cause with ISIS) and the US-allied Syrian National Army is the consequence of a strategic plan between the Israelis and Turks, backed by the US, to cut off the supply route from Iran to Lebanon for Hezbollah, and threaten to destabilize/topple the Assad government, forcing Russia to divert resources from Ukraine to salvage their position in Syria. Ukraine has provided advisors to the anti-Assad militants on drone warfare. Israel has apparently extended its explosive pager/radio scheme into Syria as well, disrupting Syrian tactical command and control at a critical moment in the fighting.

Syria had largely demobilized, and Hezbollah had mostly returned to Lebanon. Iranian-backed Iraqi militias are ill prepared to contain this assault.

It is highly likely Aleppo will fall to the pro-Turkish Islamist forces. There will most likely be a concerted effort, led by Russia and Iran, to salvage the situation in Syria.

This will take time.
This offensive may threaten the ceasefire in Lebanon.
The biggest loser in all of this is Turkey and its President, Recep Erdogan.

This offensive could not have been carried out without close cooperation and coordination with Israel and the US.

Erdogan’s critical words against Israel have been exposed as empty rhetoric.

Erdogan has once again betrayed Russia.
And his support for Palestine has beed exposed as fraudulent in every way.

Russia and Iran will stabilize Syria.
This will take months.

Syria and its allies will destroy the Islamist stronghold in Idlib.
This will take years.

The Iran-Hezbollah supply line will be restored/maintained.
Israel will be defeated.
And the US will withdraw from Syria, probably in mid-2025.
And Turkey will continue to betray everyone it does business with, because Erdogan stands only for Turkey.
https://x.com/RealScottRitter/status/18 ... 7014961388
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And it’s also back to Assadfall with a vengeance

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/aleppo- ... ge-7140350
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Apparently Putin is sending Wagner Group to Syria, to fight off the anti-Assad jihadis (AlQaeda, aka. 'Al Nusra', etc)
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Israel lobby's view on what future is shaping up for Middle East

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Part 8 of my blog series on Israel's wars.

I have included links to 2 interesting articles. The first by an officer at the US military academy on Hamas's tunnel's and how the
Israelis fought that. The second is an account of the fighting from a journo at the Jerusalem post who did two rounds of fighting in Gaza as a reserve infantryman. Quite a balanced account and he's sometimes scathing of the Israeli leadership.
https://rpdeans.blogspot.com/2024/12/is ... eyond.html
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Why don't the Iranians just re-deploy Houthis into the Syrian battlespace?
Houthis already have plenty of trained ground forces, and It's not like they're otherwise terribly occupied on their own borders.
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Are we closer to the much bandied much derided Assadfall?

The important city of Hama has been taken by the rebels. Another Assadian domino has fallen, in a matter of days.

It’s capture is a major boost to the rebel HTS groups and a huge blow to Assad/ Iran/ Russia. The city was held by Assad’s forces through the earlier civil war

It is also a key node in the supply line between Aleppo (already captured by the rebels) and Damascus.

There’s no doubt that the Syrian regime is that close to falling over. Iran appears weaker in its responses, Russia’s ability to provide support is unclear (despite a few bombing missions) and at risk of faltering in the face of the severely underperforming SAA.
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Meanwhile the Turkey supported rebel Sunni Islamist outfit Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS) HTS appears to be much better organised than the past.

To the extent having a military academy to train its officers, and a transition plan for the cities it has captured.

Even their uniforms look better and their small tactics appear professional.

And once an affiliate of Al Qaeda and also the local al-Nusra faction, the HTS is making all the right noises in terms of claiming to have rejected their violent past.

I guess we should wait for the naqab to fall and the true Islamist character emerge once they consolidate.
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A crucial stage in the war with Assad being hit from North, East and South. The lines are crumbling.

From the north, the Turkish backed HTS has made a powerful run to the south rapidly taking two major cities, Aleppo and Hama. A third Homs is under attack. If they take Homs, Damascus will be next.

In the east, the supply line from Iran is under pressure as the rebels (in this case) Kurdish-led forces have seized control of Deir al-Zour. There are reports of SAA and Jezbollah withdrawing from the area.

Meanwhile there is a new uprising in the southern Daraa province, how serious is unclear.

If the rebels take Homs, the area joining from Damascus in the south and Alawite dominated Latakia the west will presumably form the last line of resistance.
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Thoughts on this war:

- The rebels, HTS in particular, seems to be very well organised. Military tactics, discipline, even equipment and uniforms are a cut above what we’ve seen with such Militias in the past.

- The SAA has performed abysmally; they melt away at the slightest opportunity.

- In my opinion, a key tactical element seems to be complete jamming of SAA unit communications by the rebels. Lack of comms is making SAA units heel isolated and contributing to mass panic. Drones (Ukraine KS supposed to have helped here, as did Turkey) is another new tech that is apparently being much better deployed by HTS.

- Large quantities of materials including fighter planes have been seized by the rebels. This last beyond others proves the disarray in SAA ranks.

- The rebels under Jolani have played a great game - militarily, engaging various religions factions, civil administration. And in terms of media outreach it’s been phenomenal. See Jolani’s interview with CNN. Man talks so much if instituton build him you almost forget he is ex Al-Qaeda, and not some World Bank VP.

In contrast Assad been mostly missing, and Syrian communiques are approaching an air of desperation (the one at Hama phrased a tumbling retreat as a ‘withdrawal to protect civilians’)

- Assad’s allies don’t appear to be as enthusiastic as the last time which is the most important factor.

- Iran’s Foreign Minister has made noises about helping ‘as much as is needed’, and along the same lines is Russia.

Iran’s supply lines to support Assad (via Iraq) have been cut on the Syrian - Iraq border. Iraq itself hasn’t committed.

- Meanwhile HTS and the rebels (Kurds, SNA) have firmly behind them Turkey, USA, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, UAE, among others.

- Russia and Iran seem to be making it clear that their support depends on Assad/ SAA performing. Which isn’t happening far.

- We may even see an agreement between all the powers, without Assad in it.
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Damascus is going.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/ ... ander-says

There are videos circulating that show crowds celebrating the end of the regime in the middle of Damascus.

This is Assadfall.
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Decapitating and toppling statue of Hafez Assad, father of Bashar Assad

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...
Russia and Iran seem to be making it clear that their support depends on Assad/ SAA performing. Which isn’t happening far.
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tough to buy this argument. b'cas Iran could be next.
Damascus is going.
....
This is Assadfall.
what really happened? did uncle checkmate Ruskies? Are Russians going to throw their ally under the bus for concessions on Ukraine, or someone figure out Russians, with limited bandwidth, are already stretched on multiple fronts to take on one more reopened front and they would simply abandon?

speculative https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/1865585043600445552

Added later: Trump meets with Macron, Zelensky in France (deal done?)
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tough to buy this argument. b'cas Iran could be next.
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That’s exactly what happened. Iran’s support has been lip service. It’s FM has made a statement a few days ago about Assad himself a few days ago clearly and explicitly saying that while they supported Syria, Assad would need to perform.

In fact in a recent meeting with the Turks, the Iranian FM also said

"a political dialogue is necessary in Syria between President Bashar al-Assad’s government and the legitimate opposition in the country."

‘Legitimate opposition’ are the groups that are attacking Assad’s armies with impunity.

Iran has given up this round.

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/rjjqbcbeke
what really happened? did uncle checkmate Ruskies? Are Russians going to throw their ally under the bus for concessions on Ukraine, or someone figure out Russians, with limited bandwidth, are already stretched on multiple fronts to take on one more reopened front and they would simply abandon?
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A totally unprepared Assad (he had years to fix it) attacked by an amazingly well organised and sophisticated (in all senses) militia, supported by a powerful local ally (Turkey), and the tacit support of US and NATO.

Meanwhile Assad received only lip service support from one exhausted ally (Russia) and another who’s too stretched (Iran); both allies appeared to be unwilling to spend further billions and lives shoring up an Alawite/ Shia ally who was performing even less than poorly, and who isn’t exactly popular with his Sunni majority population.
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Oh and Sunni Turkey has emerged out of this smelling of roses. Their militias are the ones leading the charge so one can expect it to replace Iran as the major player in Syria.

Until of course the Kurdish question comes up, and the fighting starts again. Early days yet. There are many players - the Alawites, Kurds, Sunnis militias (HTS and SNA), the Druze, etc.

Plus multiple power players, from Turkey to the Arab nations to US/ Israel.

What’s clear is that for now the Shia crescent from Iran through Iraq and Syria to Lebanon is broken.
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https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/sy ... 51ab&ei=25

Syrian government appears to have fallen
Syrian Prime Minister Mohammed Ghazi Jalali said the government was ready to “extend its hand” to the opposition and hand over its functions to a transitional government.

“I am in my house and I have not left, and this is because of my belonging to this country,” Jalili said in a video statement. He said he would go to his office to continue work in the morning and called on Syrian citizens not to deface public property. He did not address reports that Assad had left the country.

Rami Abdurrahman of the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights told The Associated Press that Assad took a flight Sunday from Damascus.

State television in Iran, Assad’s main backer in the years of war in Syria, reported that Assad had left the capital. It cited Qatar’s Al Jazeera news network for the information and did not elaborate.
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Assad has left Damascus as per media

https://tass.com/world/1883937
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So it ends. Thoughts

1. Assad is gone into exile, he’s taken a flight out of Damascus as per media reports. Interestingly plane allegedly vanished off radar.

2. Russia and Iran are trying to salvage what they can through peace talks. But they’re playing a losing hand.

3. However, Turkey and the USA plus allows seem keen to be enforce a peaceful settlement.

4. Hence a peaceful transition from here on may even happen.

5. What happens after that is anyone’s guess. Lots of conflicting interests. The Kurdish question may be a big flashpoint with Turkey on one side and US/ Israel on the other, supporting their respective groups

7. Edit - I get the sense of lots of deals done behind the curtain. Russian ships pulling out of Tartus port they’ve had for 4 decades. Iranian support troops and militias flocking to the hugely crucial Homs - and standing down. Incredible.

8. For all that he’s been sold done the river now, much of this Assad has to carry a lot of blame for what he did and did not do over the past decade of relative peace.
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Putting it separately, rumours that Assad’s plane has been shot down

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/s/wRlBA8esk2
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Baikul wrote: 08 Dec 2024 12:00 Putting it separately, rumours that Assad’s plane has been shot down

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/s/wRlBA8esk2
Like Taliban killing Najib, since you don't want strongman to make a comeback.
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Baikul wrote: 08 Dec 2024 11:22 So it ends. Thoughts

1. Assad is gone into exile, he’s taken a flight out of Damascus as per media reports. Interestingly plane allegedly vanished off radar.

2. Russia and Iran are trying to salvage what they can through peace talks. But they’re playing a losing hand.

3. However, Turkey and the USA plus allows seem keen to be enforce a peaceful settlement.

4. Hence a peaceful transition from here on may even happen.

5. What happens after that is anyone’s guess. Lots of conflicting interests. The Kurdish question may be a big flashpoint with Turkey on one side and US/ Israel on the other, supporting their respective groups

7. Edit - I get the sense of lots of deals done behind the curtain. Russian ships pulling out of Tartus port they’ve had for 4 decades. Iranian support troops and militias flocking to the hugely crucial Homs - and standing down. Incredible.

8. For all that he’s been sold done the river now, much of this Assad has to carry a lot of blame for what he did and did not do over the past decade of relative peace.
So just like Afghan royalist govt getting blame for not defeating Taliban over the 2 decades of American military support.

From Erdogan's own speeches, it seems Turkey is the main backer of HTS, effectively doing an ISI-Taliban operation against Syria's Assad regime.

The Kurdish SDF seem to have some relationship with HTS, like TTP have with Taliban, and that should make Turkey nervous.

Will Turkey soon suffer a renewed Kurdish problem, like Pak has been suffering a TTP problem?

And what about Tehran? Is Hezbollah now screwed?

Just like Assad never delivered on regaining all of Syria, likewise Tehran never managed to cement its takeover of Iraq.
Now both seem to be paying the price.
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Watch out for the head of the rebel group, HTS (soon to transform into the legitimate government)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Mohammad_al-Julani

Abu Mohammed al-Jolani was with the Al Qaeda and also part of the Nusra group. He is now apparently a ‘moderat-ish Muslim. Whatever that means.

But he has made absolutely the right noises for a western audience. Institution building, minority rights to the land, and now he’s asked his troops to stay away from government institutions, and let the civilian (Assad’s civilians) run the government.

It’s been a brilliant orchestration.

And he could be the face of the new Syrian dispensation
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sanman wrote: 08 Dec 2024 12:18
So just like Afghan royalist govt getting blame for not defeating Taliban over the 2 decades of American military support.

From Erdogan's own speeches, it seems Turkey is the main backer of HTS, effectively doing an ISI-Taliban operation against Syria's Assad regime.

The Kurdish SDF seem to have some relationship with HTS, like TTP have with Taliban, and that should make Turkey nervous.

Will Turkey soon suffer a renewed Kurdish problem, like Pak has been suffering a TTP problem?

And what about Tehran? Is Hezbollah now screwed?

Just like Assad never delivered on regaining all of Syria, likewise Tehran never managed to cement its takeover of Iraq.
Now both seem to be paying the price.
Decades of Iranian regional strategy have vanished like camphor on a winter morning (to clumsily paraphrase a famous historian).

Iran and Hezbollah are both in trouble. Iran is on the back foot with its power and prestige in the region at an all time low. Alawite/ Shia dominated Syria gone after some some 50 billion USD and thousands of Iranian lives expensed, Shia Hezbollah has been decimated and will take years to recover, Shia dominated Iraq, an ally is taking a more independent stance.

The next round of games will be between Turkey’s SNA, HTS (UAE, Saudi Arabia) and the Kurds (USA and Israel). The options are:

1. Syria sustains peacefully in its present form as a federation (Sunni/ Shia, Alawite/ Kurds)

2. Syria descends into infighting as usual

3. Syria splits into three states, peacefully or violently.

The powers have conflicting interests. USA and Israel want a strong secular Kurd presence, if not a nation. Turkey cannot abide a Kurd nation. That’s probably the first flashpoint.
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