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Looks like there is no honour among thieves.

Haha, I loved the Chinese minister's comments - how typically raw.

This caught my eye, though:
America is pressing hard for Khan’s continued confinement. Deprived by Pakistan of the opportunity to interrogate Khan, the US is concerned that he may revive his old networks. Echoing the official view, The New York Times called this month for restrictions to remain on Khan for his “heinous role as maestro of the world’s largest nuclear black market”.
Of course the Atlanticist NYT would like to keep Khan under wraps, in order to preserve diplomatic relations between the US and precious ally Pakistan, the all-important dagger against the Russian underbelly.
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Here's the whole "kebab" from Simon Henderson ... :mrgreen:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 839044.ece

Salient Points:
went on to test two nuclear weapons. :twisted: -- Date was 1998 --> Not 2001

The first customer for one of its enrichment plants was China — which itself had supplied Pakistan with enough highly enriched uranium for two nuclear bombs in the summer of 1982.

There it was in the letter: “We put up a centrifuge plant at Hanzhong (250km southwest of Xian).” It went on:

“The Chinese gave us drawings of the nuclear weapon, gave us 50kg of enriched uranium, gave us 10 tons of UF6 (natural) and 5 tons of UF6 (3%).” (UF6 is uranium hexafluoride, the gaseous feedstock for an enrichment plant.)
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A.Q.Khan is a puppet. He is not even a player in this game. He is a puppet who being used by someone. He is not acting on his own. He doesn't have that capacity.

He is speaking only what he is being asked to by his Controller.

Now, question is who is using him. There are only two powers who has strategic minds to use such poodle - ISI(Pakistan Army) or USA.

Looking at the IRAN angle coming into A.Q.Khan, it is quite clear that it is the USA who is behind this whole drama of A.Q.Khan.

Here is my take on this whole drama of A.Q.Khan:
A.Q.Khan is just a fake poodle USA has created in solidifying its war on IRAN. The purpose was never to ban Swedish or small White countries who helped Pakistan Nuclear programme. The purpose is not roll-back of Nuclear capabilities of anti-Indian Pakistan Army. In fact, F-16 and Harpoon upgrade only prooves that USA has made sure that Pakistan has credible Nuclear delivery mechanism in place.

Everything and anything A.Q.Khan is saying is coming from ISI+USA combo. Pakistan and USA are together in the war on IRAN.

The reason I said ISI in above line is, AQ Khan's statement that Benazir asked him to pass nuclear help to IRAN. That doesn't make sense at all. IRAN has been one of reason Pakistan went nuclear. Also, ISI has always had great animosity towards Benazir because Benazir refused being bullied by ISI and preferred better relations with India on terms which ISI saw as "sellout". That only enforces my belief that, ISI is jointly working with USA in this gameplan.

Also, the AQ Khan's statement that China helped Pakistan, this statement has NO RELEVANCE to what actually USA is planning to do. This statement is just a way to pull down lobby of Indian strategic elites who have always seen IRAN as great anti-pakistan player in region. This statement will as usual make this lobby go weak with "moh-maaya" of China-pak linkage confirmation coming from west officially, for which they have been dying for.

Thats just a statement thats all! Nobody is going after China-Pak nuclear link here. It will remain in news for a year and then issue will die. The real target is IRAN. Rest is "distraction" targeted to achieve greater motive of "Iran".
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vishwakarmaa wrote: A.Q.Khan is just a fake poodle USA has created in solidifying its war on IRAN.
America doesn't need A.Q. Khan to go on a war with Iran. Their original plan (1 of the 12) was Navy Seals, disguised as Iranians, to attack US Navy vessels -- resulting in the Seals' deaths, and in the justification for an American attack on Iran. :P
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shravan wrote:America doesn't need A.Q. Khan to go on a war with Iran. Their original plan (1 of the 12) was Navy Seals, disguised as Iranians, to attack US Navy vessels -- resulting in the Seals' deaths, and in the justification for an American attack on Iran. :P
Navy seals deaths are not enough reason to wage WAR. This is not 1920 or some tribal time. This is 2009.

Also, after rejection from IRaqi public, Americans are now more focused on creating solid propaganda against IRANian regime to manage American image in Iranian intellectuals lobby and gather enough support before they invade IRAN.

Have you ever seen how politicians in India use media and local goons before elections, to moove public opinion in their favour? American politicians do the same thing on global level, to achieve their motives of Oil and power.

Indian politicians have a lot to learn from their western counterparts. They are far less corrupt compared to Goras.
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vishwakarmaa wrote: Navy seals deaths are not enough reason to wage WAR. This is not 1920 or some tribal time. This is 2009.
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AQ Khan's disclosures vindicate India's stand
India's position that disgraced Pakistani nuclear scientist A Q Khan could not have acted individually stands vindicated with his
admission that Islamabad was involved in the proliferation activities involving China, Iran, North Korea and Libya, experts say.

"In any case, it is very well known that A Q Khan and Pakistan had worked together in proliferation of nuclear technology. It was also known that China and Pakistan were working together. The letter by Khan is a confirmation of all these," former National Security Adviser Brajesh Mishra said.

Commenting on the disclosures by Khan, former Foreign Secretary Shashank said the letter, written by Khan to his Dutch wife Henny, vindicated India's assertion that Pakistan's nuclear proliferation could not have been an individual's activity.

"The letter confirms India's assertion that Pakistan's proliferation business could not have been an individual's activity," he said.

"The network was running for a very long period of time and known to many governments and that there had been efforts to hide these activities," the former Foreign Secretary said.

Former High Commissioner to Pakistan G Parthasarathi was of the view that Khan's disclosures confirm China's help to Pakistan in developing its nuclear arsenal.

"It is a nuclear scientist blowing the lid on the fact that before Pakistan developed its enrichment capacities, the designing that A Q Khan got were passed onto China and China developed it and these guys nearly reverse engineered what the Chinese gave them," Parthasarathi said.

Mishra said the content of the letter also established the stand of the NDA government that China had helped Pakistan to develop nuclear weapons.

"Finally, the revelations confirmed what the NDA government had said at the time of Pokhran II. Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee had written a letter to the US, the UK, France and Russia in which he had said that China helped Pakistan to acquire nuclear arms. So India did not have any option but to conduct the tests," he said.
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Leonard wrote:Here's the whole "kebab" from Simon Henderson ... :mrgreen:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 839044.ece
It will be interesting to see if “tomorrow” actually comes and if there will be a response to Simon Henderson’s surmise that the price exacted by Pakistan for co-operation in the War on Terror for the West in general, and the United States in particular, was that Pakistan’s “nuclear sins” were to be “placed to one side” :wink: :
Ian Kelly
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Daily Press Briefing
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September 21, 2009 …………………………

QUESTION: Just wanted to get you to respond to an article in Britain’s Sunday Times newspaper written by Simon Henderson. In it, he talks about a letter dated December the 10th, 2003, which he says was written by A.Q. Khan. And the suggestion here is that the narrative around A.Q. Khan has been that he has been singled out as pretty much the sole source of the proliferation problem that Pakistan had, whereas the suggestion is that there was a much broader problem within Pakistan in terms of encouraging proliferation with the likes of China, Libya, Iran, and North Korea.

MR. KELLY: Yeah.

QUESTION: Do you have any response to that?

MR. KELLY: Well, I haven’t seen the article that you’re referring to. I certainly will look it up after the briefing. But I think that our concerns about Mr. A.Q. Khan have been very clear and very public, and we’ve passed them both through private diplomatic channels, and we’ve also made our views known publicly. I think that we’re working very closely with the Government of Pakistan to ensure that there are proper safeguards for their own nuclear program. And we’ve also worked very closely with them in terms of making sure that there isn’t any kind of proliferation of any kind of technology or information or hardware.

QUESTION: Do you know if the U.S. has seen this letter and whether there –

MR. KELLY: No. I don’t know what letter you refer to, so we’ll have to take a look at that, and maybe tomorrow we can get you some more information on that.

Yeah. …………………

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Folks, where is the link to that 4-page letter from AQK to wife Henny ? Can anybody post it please ? If it is not available on the web, can somebody photocopy it (as perfectly as the great AQK) and upload it somewhere for easy access to this SDRE kafir ? TIA.
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SSridhar wrote:Folks, where is the link to that 4-page letter from AQK to wife Henny ? Can anybody post it please ? If it is not available on the web, can somebody photocopy it (as perfectly as the great AQK) and upload it somewhere ? TIA.
Its in the hard copy of Times magazine. Some will have to scan and upload it, of course will have to be done under the hood.
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arun wrote:
Leonard wrote:Here's the whole "kebab" from Simon Henderson ... :mrgreen:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 839044.ece
It will be interesting to see if “tomorrow” actually comes and if there will be a response to Simon Henderson’s surmise that the price exacted by Pakistan for co-operation in the War on Terror for the West in general, and the United States in particular, was that Pakistan’s “nuclear sins” were to be “placed to one side” :wink: :
Ian Kelly
Department Spokesman
Daily Press Briefing
Washington, DC
September 21, 2009 ………………………… {Snipped}

US State Department
“Tomorrow” has not yet come :wink: .

The US continues to be coy about the nuclear sins of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan particularly about the involvement of the Pakistani state in nuclear proliferation:
Ian Kelly
Department Spokesman
Daily Press Briefing
Washington, DC
September 22, 2009 ………………

QUESTION: On Pakistan again, do you have any follow-up to the questions from yesterday about the article in the Sunday Times of London about A.Q. Khan?

MR. KELLY: I don’t. I don’t have any update. We may have something this afternoon, though, on it.

QUESTION: Can I just sort of address a more general point about what the article is saying?

MR. KELLY: Mm-hmm.

QUESTION: The general point is that the narrative has been that A.Q. Khan is the man that was responsible for much of the proliferation, but that certain evidence has come out to suggest that most of his actions were done with the complicity of the Pakistani Government. Do you have any response to that sort of narrative framing of the A.Q. Khan story?

MR. KELLY: Yeah. Well, I think we’re not going to comment on a press report. We have said consistently that we have real concerns about Mr. A.Q. Khan. We believe that he remains a risk for proliferation. And for that reason, we stay in very close contact with the Pakistani authorities to ensure that there is no proliferation risk from him or from any other source in Pakistan.

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The US attitude is a sick joke,mouthing inanities that AQK must be "watched carefully",cooperation with the Paki authorities to rein him in,blah,blah.This is simply absurd,that the US given the hard evidence in AQK's letter written in his own handwriting,which it knew all along and kept quiet about,is doing nothing but place its trust in the very same people who gave AQK his orders to proliferate! Did AQK in military-ruled Pak run his own private air transport service exporting nuclear material,to NoKo ,etc.? Did he own his own nuclear industry either?! It is ludicrous to imagine that he did everything on his own as Gen.Mush-a-rat lied to the world,because of greed and his ego! It is also astonishing that the man was so poorly rewarded by his pollitical and military masters.The pithy comments by the Chinese general have been proven right.If the US now wants to try and fool India and the world about its own responsibility for encouraging Pak's proliferation,then it must also be exposed and punished by a downgrading of our defnce and security relationship with it as we have gained bu**er all from it and on the contrary are being deceived and defanged by the US with disastrous consequences in the offing.
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Philip wrote:The US attitude is a sick joke,mouthing inanities that AQK must be "watched carefully",cooperation with the Paki authorities to rein him in,blah,blah.This is simply absurd,that the US given the hard evidence in AQK's letter written in his own handwriting,which it knew all along and kept quiet about,is doing nothing but place its trust in the very same people who gave AQK his orders to proliferate! .
Has anybody noticed that all these reports keep coming that AQK proliferated, ISI is helping the Taliban and the terrorists and massive dysfuntional Pak govt.

But nothing has been done to change the Pak govt and the nation.
Funding keeps happening.
No good news from Pakistan
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Philip wrote:The US attitude is a sick joke,mouthing inanities that AQK must be "watched carefully",cooperation with the Paki authorities to rein him in,blah,blah.This is simply absurd,that the US given the hard evidence in AQK's letter written in his own handwriting,which it knew all along and kept quiet about,is doing nothing but place its trust in the very same people who gave AQK his orders to proliferate! Did AQK in military-ruled Pak run his own private air transport service exporting nuclear material,to NoKo ,etc.? Did he own his own nuclear industry either?! It is ludicrous to imagine that he did everything on his own as Gen.Mush-a-rat lied to the world,because of greed and his ego! It is also astonishing that the man was so poorly rewarded by his pollitical and military masters.The pithy comments by the Chinese general have been proven right.If the US now wants to try and fool India and the world about its own responsibility for encouraging Pak's proliferation,then it must also be exposed and punished by a downgrading of our defnce and security relationship with it as we have gained bu**er all from it and on the contrary are being deceived and defanged by the US with disastrous consequences in the offing.

Rather than fume impotently over it, just take advantage of the flaws of their myopic policy. Because of Unkil's tendency to turn a blind eye towards their favorite son Pak, the favorite son has given P-1 centrifuges, warhead designs, etc, to Unkils unfavorite Iran. Now Iran is in a position to completely screw up US security structure in the Middle East.

Unlike us, Russians aren't sitting around impotently, but are taking full advantage of the US predicament, bargaining away - from the one side offering Iran air defense missiles and further N-assistance, and on the other side agreeing to support sanctions on Iran in exchange for US withdrawal of missiles/radars from Europe.

If our Kemalist Kaangress is taking advantage, it's only for getting support to prolong their rule, since Kaangress' #1 interest is in protecting their party rather than the country.
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Err there is more to this than meets the eye

-how did the Dutch intelligence agency know A Queer Khan's daughter was in receipt of certain documents of import.
-why did Henderson sit on his copy for almost two years
-is there anything new in these revelations, the gnu knew nothing new
-Pakistan is not the object of these disclosures
-the Chinese must be fuming
-why
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why did Henderson sit on his copy for almost two years
Henderson's response to this in Times Now Exclusive yesterday was that he was planning to write a book with details about all this. But since that took longer he decided to go ahead and publish this. He says something of the sort like "you know, these things takes some time...". The way he is absolving Xerox Khan makes me think that Xerox wanted to get this published now than Henderson.
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Henderson could not have published this without authorisation from HM government.
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Acharya wrote:Has anybody noticed that all these reports keep coming that AQK proliferated, ISI is helping the Taliban and the terrorists and massive dysfuntional Pak govt.

But nothing has been done to change the Pak govt and the nation.
Funding keeps happening.
No good news from Pakistan
Acharya, when the US wants it can simply demand anything from Pakistan and Pakistan will wimpishly surrender as was demonstrated just after 9/11 when it took over the entire airspace etc. So, if the US is not acting tough with Pakistan, it means it is either disinterested or it supports that country.
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SSridhar wrote:Folks, where is the link to that 4-page letter from AQK to wife Henny ? Can anybody post it please ? If it is not available on the web, can somebody photocopy it (as perfectly as the great AQK) and upload it somewhere for easy access to this SDRE kafir ? TIA.

Come on BRites show some sport!!!!
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Sanjay M wrote:


Rather than fume impotently over it, just take advantage of the flaws of their myopic policy. Because of Unkil's tendency to turn a blind eye towards their favorite son Pak, the favorite son has given P-1 centrifuges, warhead designs, etc, to Unkils unfavorite Iran. Now Iran is in a position to completely screw up US security structure in the Middle East.

Unlike us, Russians aren't sitting around impotently, but are taking full advantage of the US predicament, bargaining away - from the one side offering Iran air defense missiles and further N-assistance, and on the other side agreeing to support sanctions on Iran in exchange for US withdrawal of missiles/radars from Europe.

If our Kemalist Kaangress is taking advantage, it's only for getting support to prolong their rule, since Kaangress' #1 interest is in protecting their party rather than the country.
If people want to vote for Kaangress for decades this is what we get
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http://www.pakdef.info/pakmilitary/army ... yssey.html

I light of Zerox's claims it rings a bit hollow
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OPED | Monday, September 28, 2009 | Email | Print |


The West’s duplicity

Premen Addy

America and its trans-Atlantic allies have willingly shut their eyes to China’s nuclear proliferation and Beijing’s supply of nuclear know-how to Islamabad. This is in sharp contrast to the West’s castigation of Iran for its nuclear programme. For US, a Pakistani Bomb is good, an Iranian Bomb is bad!

The plot thickens. A purloined letter penned by Pakistani rogue scientist Dr AQ Khan is in the possession of Dutch intelligence following a raid on his niece’s house in Amsterdam; a copy with his London-based daughter, Dina, was destroyed on the instructions of her sobbing father after a harrowing session of ISI interrogation. There was, however, another copy; it belongs to the English journalist Simon Henderson, who has been on the trail of the ‘father’ of Pakistan’s Islamic bomb since the mid-1970s, when Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto ruled the roost in Islamabad as premier. The trail went cold; Henderson’s projected biography of Khan was in deep freeze until 2003, when America’s fraught relationship with Iran reached critical mass. Khan’s dealings with the Tehran regime made him the cynosure of baleful eyes, the ISI’s most of all, since Washington was keen to nobble the errant doctor Frankenstein.

The story was up and running again, ignited by a call from Henderson’s ‘Deep Throat’ telling him of Khan’s renewed interest in establishing contact through a telephonic code. Henderson’s tale in The Sunday Times Magazine (September 20) is as riveting as it is intriguing. He writes: “The first customer of its (Khan Research Laboratories) enrichment plants was China — which itself had supplied Pakistan with enough highly enriched uranium for two nuclear bombs in the summer of 1982,” and subsequently tested one of its own on Pakistan’s behalf in May 1990, as revealed in a book, titled Deception, by two other journalists working for the paper.

After 9/11, US pressure on the Pervez Musharraf Government mounted. The General was probably offered a way out by his American interlocutors: “Work with us and we will support you. Blame all the nuclear nonsense on Khan”. Done. Gen Musharraf’s peans to Khan may have echoed in every corner of Pakistan, yet our hero soon put Khan under house arrest under ISI watch. Li Chew, the senior Minister who ran China’s nuclear weapons programme, had Khan warned about the Pakistan Army: “As long as they need the bomb, they will lick your balls. As soon as you have delivered the bomb, they will kick your balls.” Khan’s demure rephrasing to his wife read: “The ******** first used us and are now playing dirty games with us.”

The West’s haste to impugn Iran for its nuclear ambitions contrasts strangely with its discreet silence on China’s complicity in the illicit traffic of nuclear proliferation, masterminded by their common ally, the Pakistan Government and its military controllers.

Years before the inconvenience of Al Qaeda and the Taliban became corrupting flesh, the Reagan Administration and its immediate successor headed by George Bush Sr provided the protective arm of the CIA around AQ Khan, when Richard Barlow at the agency’s Pakistan desk blew the whistle on his dubious activities. The recalcitrant Barlow got the boot for his refusal to recant. Questions remain about the murky Anglo-American relationship with Pakistan. What are its true contours, what its hidden depths? And how do they fit in with Beijing’s anti-India realpolitik?

The philosopher Hegel went to some pain explaining his “Cunning of Reason;” but it was base cunning surely that drove the Countess of Minto’s triumphal entry in her diary on the troubled future that awaited India following the birth of the All India Muslim League in Dhaka in 1905 after her husband, the viceroy of India, had presided over its rite of passage. Against malevolent odds, India survived partition and has prospered.

Meanwhile, in the north and east of the sub-continent was created an Army cantonment called Pakistan, where are today seeded myriad agonies that wait to blight England’s once green and pleasant land.

Islamic terrorism, incubated in the very Muslim dominion whose seed was blessed with the holy water of the Raj, stalks the United Kingdom. The bomb plot designed to destroy transatlantic airliners in mid-flight and the long gaol sentences awarded the plotters — Tanvir Hussain, Abdulla Ahmed and Assad Sarwar — by a London court, are further evidence of the looming Pakistan-bred Islamic monster.

The late Robin Cook, spoke boldly of an ethical British foreign policy, on assuming office as New Labour’s Foreign Secretary. He cut a forlorn figure on the back benches of the Commons as his master, Mr Tony Blair, announced Britain’s support for the US war to destroy Saddam’s non-existent “weapons of mass destruction” in Iraq.

And so to a panoramic view of games great and small. British media Piranhas are much given to ritual attacks on Stalin’s August 1939 non-aggression pact with Hitler, describing it as the road to World War II. The British Government’s betrayal of Czechoslovakia in the Munich settlement of 1938, which forced the surrender of Czech Sudetenland to Nazi Germany and Hitler’s subsequent march into Prague are rarely mentioned. Similar indulgence marks their approaches to the dilatory tactics of the British delegation at the Moscow talks with the Soviet Union to forge a common front against the Third Reich.

The Right-wing Max Hastings in his recent study of Churchill as warlord refers to the intense hatred of Russia in the higher echelons of the British establishment where hopes burned brightly for a Russo-German conflict of mutual destruction. Stalin refused to oblige, buying time with his own accord with the Fuhrer. He repeated the performance with fascist Japan a year later (without being blamed for Pearl Harbour), thus laying for the Soviet Union the spectre of a war on two fronts. The Germans suffered irreparable loss at Stalingrad when Soviet forces from the far east joined the battle to deliver the coup de grace to Hitler’s vaunted Sixth Army.

Hastings reveals British disbelief at the possibility of French defeat, with an Army ensconced behind the supposedly impregnable Maginot Line; the same British elements dismissed any prospect of sustained Soviet resistance to the Nazi onslaught.

At the fag end of the war, Winston Churchill asked his military staff to draw up a plan for an Anglo-American assault with remnants of the Wehrmacht on the Soviet Union. Operation Unthinkable, as it was called, would have been an act of unsurpassed treachery. Conceived in Churchillian folly as a defence of the national interest, it was never implemented.

Joseph Stalin, true keeper of the seamless robe of grand strategy, had the last word. His stock in Russia is high and rising. Understandably so.
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Op-Ed in Pioneer, 2 oct 2009
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Dr Strangelove’s letter bomb

Ashok Malik

In April 2003, a film called Hero: The Love Story of a Spy was released across India. Starring Sunny Deol, its script was suitably over the top. At its heart was the quest of Pakistani radicals — terrorists, rogue Generals of the Inter-Services Intelligence, sinister-looking mullahs — to get their hands on a nuclear bomb.

The project was a global one. It included sourcing components through a front company run by a Canadian businessman of Pakistani origin. A half-Indonesian scientist was thought to have Islamist sympathies and was recruited. Unfortunately, he turned out to be Sunny Deol in disguise. :((

Six months after Hero, on September 25, 2003, Mr George Tenet, the then CIA chief, visited Gen Pervez Musharraf in his suite in New York’s Waldorf-Astoria Hotel. Here, he provided evidence of AQ Khan’s proliferation business — the ‘nuclear Wal-Mart’, as it came to be called. It made Sunny Deol’s script-writer seem not just prophetic but almost limited in his imagination. :rotfl:

In the past six years, intricate details of Khan’s network have come to light. They have revealed a network of component suppliers in Europe and the United States, front companies in Dubai and Malaysia — Khan’s representatives worked with a firm partly-owned by the son of Abdullah Badawi, Prime Minister in Kuala Lumpur from 2003 to 2009. Persons of Pakistani, Indian and Sri Lankan origin have also been named.

The Khan network had two components. The first was the matrix set up to source dual-use equipment for the Pakistani bomb. The second was the use of elements of this matrix, and of Khan’s private businesses, to supply nuclear know-how to client countries.

To be fair, this is well known. What has remained a mystery is how much the Pakistani state knew. As long as Khan was into nuclear procurement, he was acting on behalf of his Government. What about his years in nuclear sales and marketing?

It has long been obvious Khan could not have been acting alone. Yet, few have pressed for a proper investigation. The Generals in Pakistan have found it convenient to blame Khan as an aberrant individual.

Given this backdrop, the question of who in Islamabad knew what Khan was up to is largely a subject of conjecture. From time to time, disparate pieces of evidence come up. Occasionally, they complement each other and give tantalising glimpses of a fuller picture.

It is necessary to place Simon Henderson’s article in London’s Sunday Times of September 20, 2009, in this context. A former foreign correspondent In Islamabad, Henderson has had a longstanding professional acquaintance with Khan. His article quotes extensively from a mea culpa letter written by Khan in 2004.

Khan gave the letter to his London-based daughter, Dina, asking her to use it if any harm came to him. A second copy was sent to Khan’s niece, Kausar, in Amsterdam. Henderson says he has the third copy of the four-page letter.

What happened to the other two? Henderson writes the copy in Amsterdam was confiscated by Dutch intelligence agents. It was presumably shared with the Americans. Dina tore up her copy after ISI interrogators found out about it and threatened Khan. “Under pressure,” Henderson writes, “he (Khan) agreed to telephone Dina in London and ordered her to destroy the documents. He used three languages: Urdu, English and Dutch. It was a code for her to obey his instructions.”

This story is not new. In their 2007 book The Man from Pakistan (originally published as The Nuclear Jihadist) American writers Douglas Frantz and Catherine Collins described the episode in detail. “In December (2004), as rumours of his possible arrest had circulated, Khan had given a thick stack of handwritten documents to his daughter Dina, who was visiting from London. He instructed her to take them back with her and keep them as an insurance policy. If the Government went after her father, she was to turn them over to Simon Henderson, a British journalist who had interviewed Khan years earlier.”

However, Frantz and Collins also pointed to something more ominous: “A close friend of Khan’s maintained that the scientist had given his daughter a far more extensive document, nearly 100 pages that constituted an autobiographical account of Khan’s proliferation activities over the years. Its fate remains unknown.”

According to Henderson, the Khan letter makes three big-ticket revelations. First, Khan writes that Pakistan “put up a centrifuge plant at Hanzhong (250 km south-west of Xian)” in return for Chinese weapon designs and uranium.

Second: “Probably with the blessings of BB (Benazir Bhutto) … Gen Imtiaz (Benazir’s defence adviser, now dead) asked me to give a set of drawings and some components to the Iranians. The names and addresses of suppliers were also given.” Third: “(A now-retired General) took $ 3 million through me from the N Koreans and asked me to give some drawings and machines.”

The letter was written in 2004 and Henderson says he got his copy in 2007. Why did he wait to publish his scoop? It can be guessed his sources asked him to hold on. Has Henderson been used by Khan and his friends to send a message to the Pakistani establishment? Is some bargaining happening in Islamabad?

Henderson’s sympathies are with his protagonist: “Khan is adamant that he never sold nuclear secrets for personal gain. So what about the millions of dollars he reportedly made? Nothing was confiscated from him and no reported investigation turned up hidden accounts. Having planted rumours about Khan’s greed, Pakistani officials were curiously indifferent to following them through.”

Henderson claims Khan is not personally wealthy. He has two properties in Islamabad and is one of many investors in a ‘modest’ hotel in Timbuktu (Mali, west Africa). Henderson also writes he has documentary evidence Khan was asking for his small pension (12,200 Pakistani rupees at the time) to be enhanced and that this was done in 2007.

Accounts of Khan’s penury may be exaggerated but they do imply substantial profits from the ‘nuclear Wal-Mart’ were pocketed by the Generals who were Khan’s principles. Today, the US is seeking to stop North Korea and Iran — both customers of Khan — becoming full-blown nuclear powers. At some point, it will need to turn attention to the supplier state. It can no longer do to pretend Khan was a one-man band. His accompanists need to face the music.

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X Posted.

The first part of a two part article from Yale Global.

Mention of Iran in the title notwithstanding, this one is 100% devoted to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

I fail to see why the authors assume that the “risk of extremists compromising Pakistan’s nuclear program” will somehow lead in an increase of India’s risk and thus ought to serve as sufficient inducement to India to pander to Pakistan’s Jammu & Kashmir delusions.

Today the control of nuclear weapons by the uniformed Jihadi’s of the Pakistan armed forces focuses all of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons on India. With the un-uniformed Jihadi’s in the saddle I am sure that some of this nuclear arsenal will be re-targeted for use against Shia’s, Jews, Crusader’s and other objects of Pakistani Sunni Islamic loathing:
This past summer, advances of the Pakistani Taliban toward the capital Islamabad caused wide concern in the media. Though the Pakistani army vigorously pushed back, reclaiming Swat Valley and an American drone killed the top Taliban leader in Pakistan, the threat to the regime remains, according to Executive Director of the Partnership for a Secure America Matt Rojansky and his research assistant Daniel Cassman. In fact, the larger risk – that of the Taliban or Al Qaeda obtaining nuclear material – looms large. Precisely how serious is the threat remains a difficult question to answer. But Rojansky and Cassman have compiled data and mapped it onto Pakistan to pinpoint nuclear sites most at risk from an attack by the militants from zones where they operate. According to their research, two sites – Chashma-Kundian and the Wah Cantonment – provide the greatest opportunity for insurgents to extract nuclear material. Lest this seem inevitable, Rojansky and Cassman argue that worst can be prevented if the US and Pakistan were to follow the guidelines of the Cooperative Threat Reduction program under which the US and Russia reduced their nuclear arsenal. But such a step would require greater cooperation and commitment from Pakistan – an unlikely event given the country’s skeptical view of US aid. Indeed, there are larger issues that need to be resolved or at least moderated – e.g., the unresolved Kashmir issue and terrorists targeting India – to lower the overall threat level in the region. But without more assistance from the US, the risks are likely to persist. – YaleGlobal

Nuclear Challenge from Pakistan and Iran – Part I

Threat reduction in Pakistan will require greater Western cooperation and commitment

Matthew Rojansky, Daniel Cassman
YaleGlobal , 5 October 2009 …………………………

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The US established “Commission on the Prevention of Weapons of Mass Destruction Proliferation and Terrorism”, released its Risk Report on October 21st.

The Islamic Republic of Pakistan figures prominently in the report and is identified, along with Iran and North Korea as being part of the “Areas of Concern”.

Page 4 of the report had this to say:
Pakistan remains the geographic crossroads for terrorism and weapons of mass destruction.
For good measure the same point is reiterated on page 27:
The country is at a geographic crossroads for terrorism and weapons of mass destruction.
The complete report is available here:

A Progress Report on America’s Preparedness to Prevent Weapons of Mass Destruction Proliferation and Terrorism

For those not inclined to plough through the report, the Hindu carries a story by IANS on the report:

Pakistan remains the geographic crossroads for terrorism: US
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X-Post....
Gagan wrote:I don't like blaming A Q Khan alone for all the N trade that went on. These were the COASs of pakistan army at the helm when the N smuggling and proliferation went on. These guys are more responsible for this:
General Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq - March 1, 1976 – August 17, 1988
General Mirza Aslam Beg - August 17, 1988 – August 16, 1991
General Asif Nawaz - August 16, 1991 – January 8, 1993
General Abdul Waheed - January 11, 1993 – January 12, 1996
General Jehangir Karamat - January 12, 1996 – October 6, 1998
General Pervez Musharraf - October 6, 1998 – November 28, 2007
Chinese premiers who were equally responsible:
Hu Jintao - 2003–incumbent
Jiang Zemin - 1993–2003
Yang Shangkun - 1988–1993
Chinese Chairman of Central Military Commission:
Deng Xiaoping, Chairman 1981-1989
Jiang Zemin, Chairman 1989-2004
Hu Jintao, Chairman since 2004
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A Specific One! Read it all. Quite useful as reference material too and for citations!

A nuclear power's act of proliferation
Accounts by disgraced scientist show China gave Pakistan enough enriched uranium to make 2 atomic bombs
By R. Jeffrey Smith and Joby Warrick
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, November 13, 2009
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... id=topnews
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Malayappan wrote:A nuclear power's act of proliferation
Accounts by disgraced scientist show China gave Pakistan enough enriched uranium to make 2 atomic bombs
By R. Jeffrey Smith and Joby Warrick
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... id=topnews
From the above,
U.S. officials say they have known about the transfer for decades and once privately confronted the Chinese -- who denied it -- but have never raised the issue in public or sought to impose direct sanctions on China for it.
So, the USA is as culpable in this proliferation as China has been. It also did not want to sanction the Pakistani entities involved because Zia-ul-Haq had extracted two promises from the US, one of which was that the US will not query Pakistan on its nuclear weapons development.

Today, there is absolutely no doubt about the sinister plot played by the US in the whole episode because they also seemed to have employed their Pakistani friends' tactical brilliance in this murky affair. They thought perhaps Pakistan would never be able to lob a nuke into the US and that its interests were India alone and in the strategic gameplan of the US, India did not figure at all. So, they allowed HEU, CHIC-4 and M9 & M-11, hoping they were all India-specific.

The US help for Pakistani proliferation did not stop with winking to the Chinese. They allowed Turkey, Germany and Switzerland to export (or even re-export in the case of Turkey even US made components) nuclear-related items knowing fully well where they would end up. The US also claims to have meticulously kept under scanner AQ Khan for 20 long years. Twenty years and yet not bringing it to the attention of a friendly Pakistani government ? The Dutch Premier Ruud Lubbers had categorically said that the US government put pressure on it to drop the case against AQ Khan. Brzezenski's letter to NPA Ayatollah Carter as soon as the USSR invaded Afghanistan summed it up all “This will require a review of our policy toward Pakistan, more guarantees to it, and, alas, a decision that our security policy toward Pakistan cannot be dictated by our nonproliferation policy.” This spirit was behind the perverse Pressler amendment also.

Again, in circa 2005, the US went to the extent of protecting its MNNA when it misled the world by suggesting that Libya received nuclear material from North Korea !

There is an irony here. In 1980, Pakistan stipulated to the US that it would distribute the arms and funds received with the help of the US to the various mujahideen groups. That same way, Pakistan also distributed nuke weapon technology it received with the help of the US to various rogue nations. During the mujahideen days, it chose the most anti-US groups to receive US arms and funds. So also, it gave nuke technology to the most anti-US rogue countries like North Korea, Libya and Iran.
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The nuclear pigeons of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s reckless proliferation of nuclear weapon technology seem to be coming home to roost.

Times UK is reporting that the Islamic Republic of Iran has been clandestinely working on developing an Uranium deuteride based neutron initiator.

The Islamic Republic of Pakistan which provided the Islamic Republic of Iran with nuclear weapon blue prints also uses an Uranium deuteride based neutron initiator :wink: :
December 14, 2009

Secret document exposes Iran’s nuclear trigger

Confidential intelligence documents obtained by The Times show that Iran is working on testing a key final component of a nuclear bomb.

The notes, from Iran’s most sensitive military nuclear project, describe a four-year plan to test a neutron initiator, the component of a nuclear bomb that triggers an explosion. Foreign intelligence agencies date them to early 2007, four years after Iran was thought to have suspended its weapons programme.

An Asian intelligence source last week confirmed to The Times that his country also believed that weapons work was being carried out as recently as 2007 — specifically, work on a neutron initiator.

The technical document describes the use of a neutron source, uranium deuteride, which independent experts confirm has no possible civilian or military use other than in a nuclear weapon. Uranium deuteride is the material used in Pakistan’s bomb, from where Iran obtained its blueprint. …………………………

Times, UK
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Dr. Jeffrey Lewis at Armscontrolwonk using a photograph of A.Q. Khan confirms that the Islamic Republic of Pakistan used Uranium Deuteride initiators.

Use of UD3 initiators is apparently “relatively novel” :wink: :
Uranium Deuteride Initiators

posted Monday December 14, 2009 …………………

I have no idea whether the document is authentic, but I do want to confirm that Pakistan appears to have used uranium deuteride (UD3) as a neutron initiator.

The Times story doesn’t adequately convey that this is a relatively novel source of neutrons for a bomb design. Technically inclined readers may recall that earlier accusations against Iran focused on more traditional route of polonium-beryllium (Po-Be). Several colleagues have emailed me, expressing surprise that Pakistan is alleged to have used UD3 instead of the Po-Be.

But yes, it appears that both China and Pakistan explored the use of UD3 as a neutron source. There are two data points of which I am aware. …………………

Armscontolwonk
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arun wrote:Dr. Jeffrey Lewis at Armscontrolwonk using a photograph of A.Q. Khan confirms that the Islamic Republic of Pakistan used Uranium Deuteride initiators.

Use of UD3 initiators is apparently “relatively novel” :wink: :
Uranium Deuteride Initiators

posted Monday December 14, 2009 …………………

I have no idea whether the document is authentic, but I do want to confirm that Pakistan appears to have used uranium deuteride (UD3) as a neutron initiator.

The Times story doesn’t adequately convey that this is a relatively novel source of neutrons for a bomb design. Technically inclined readers may recall that earlier accusations against Iran focused on more traditional route of polonium-beryllium (Po-Be). Several colleagues have emailed me, expressing surprise that Pakistan is alleged to have used UD3 instead of the Po-Be.

But yes, it appears that both China and Pakistan explored the use of UD3 as a neutron source. There are two data points of which I am aware. …………………

Armscontolwonk
Can some one with physics background figure out if this is a new way of creating fusion boosted fission weapons? IOW is the D-T trigger being worked around this way? Was this being tested by Noko in their two tests?
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^^^ FWIW: uranium deuteride was considered by Oppenheimer in 1939 ..
February 1939 — Robert Oppenheimer speculates in a letter that a chain reaction in a 10-
centimeter cube of uranium deuteride "might very well blow itself to hell."
From Wiki: http://radonc.wikidot.com/the-atomic-bomb-timeline
or
Test: Ray
Time: 12:45 11 April 1953 (GMT)
04:45 11 April 1953 (local)
Location: Nevada Test Site (NTS), Area 4
Test Height and Type: 100 Foot Tower
Yield: 0.2 kt
This was the second test of a uranium hydride device, this time using the heavy isotope of hydrogen - deuterium. The uranium deuteride device was called Hydride II, and was otherwise basically identical to Hydride I. The predicted yield was 0.5-1 kt, the lower expected yield making a smaller gap with the same 200 ton yield as the first test. UCRL scientist Herbert York claims not to regard this test as a failure since it was lower than the predicted range by "only a factor of three". Legend has it that this shot was fired on a tower of only 100 feet (compared to 300 feet for Ruth) to ensure that the tower would be entirely destroyed.
from: http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Tests/Upshotk.html
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Can you comment on the issue at hand?
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Ramana - I am not sure exactly what were you asking. Likely that you (and others in BRF) know much more..
In any case for FWIW from naive physics perspective: (Could be too well known, or wrong/simplistic etc)

- As was mentioned UD3 as neutron source (AQK is calling it initiator) is fairly well known. I mentioned Openheimer's letter to Ulhenbeck in 1939.. Guess any neutron rich source could also work.. as initiator .. may be it is cheaper than Po((or Am/Be - or whatever they use) in Pak to buy...

- D is weekly bound to Uranium and it will produce Deuterium.. don't think enough (will require more temp, pressure and lots and lots of neutrons) will come out to give it a real boost in the sense of "boosted fission" device were there is actually some fusion takes place. I simply don't know enough about crystal-structure and chemistry of UD3 .. but I am sure it is pretty easy to look up.

- Don't think it is too 'novel' ... but don;t know enough about current trends or details of weapons design to comment.. but some checking in google tells me it is not unique to Pak.

More info about UD3 related to Pak etc:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 955238.ece

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Photochor's gaseous diffusion

Self-Serving Leaks from the A.Q. Khan Circle
Reading the Pakistani A.Q. Khan’s latest “leaks,” one would think that China depended on Khan in the early 1980s to solve its problems in making weapon-grade uranium for its growing nuclear weapons arsenal. Using recently stolen European gas centrifuge technology, Khan reportedly claims he helped China modernize its production of bomb-grade uranium . :lol:

But the facts appear quite different. China relied on its two gaseous diffusion plants to make its weapon-grade uranium, and its gas centrifuge program never took off.

The most recent source of Khan’s recent claims is a fascinating November 13, 2009 Washington Post article about China’s nuclear cooperation with Pakistan in the late 1970s and early 1980s. The Post drew upon several of Khan’s written statements from late 2003 and early 2004 when he was desperately trying to defend himself in Pakistan against a growing list of charges that he proliferated sensitive centrifuge and nuclear weapons technology. Since the exposure of his transnational trafficking network, Khan has periodically revealed details about the secret world of Pakistani nuclear weapons and illicit nuclear trade. However, many of his assertions are self-serving and highly dubious. On balance, Khan’s statements should be viewed as non-credible without first rigorously verifying them. He has proven that he is unable to honestly relate the facts fully as he knows them and has many reasons to deceive, obfuscate or suppress the truth.

In the early 1980s Pakistan was frantically trying to acquire its first nuclear weapon, and Khan’s gas centrifuge program was Pakistan’s only short-term way to produce nuclear explosive material domestically. But that program, despite receiving extensive, albeit illicit, foreign assistance, was struggling mightily to meet its deadlines. As has been well documented over the last two decades, during this period, China provided critical nuclear assistance to Pakistan’s nuclear weapons effort. The Washington Post provides new details about this assistance. Without this aid, Pakistan would have likely suffered several more years of delay in obtaining nuclear weapons. Yet the benefits to China were mostly strategic, not nuclear.

Khan’s case has typically been strongest when he tries to rebut the patently ludicrous claims of the Pakistani government that Khan single-handedly ran a proliferation ring over two decades without the knowledge of any Pakistani officials and without their authorization for at least portions of his proliferation actions. Whether others are also guilty in the Pakistani government and military establishments is a question that has long deserved careful study
. The Washington Post is doing a service by starting to delve into this difficult issue, although Khan’s cooperation with China is not what has gotten him into trouble domestically and internationally. Khan may be using this story as a dress rehearsal for seeking to absolve his guilt in later proliferation activities, a claim that would be false. Regardless of the culpability of members of the Pakistani establishment, multiple investigations in Pakistan and abroad have placed Khan at the center of a multi-decade trafficking operation outfitting the nuclear programs of Libya, Iran, and North Korea. Moreover, Khan’s Nuremberg-type defense is hardly convincing to the international community, and merely reinforces the belief that there are others who are guilty and justice has not yet been served with regard to Khan or others in Pakistan.
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If photochor's efforts didnt help PRC then how can they help TSP acquire nukes? Wouldn't that mean TSP got gifted nukes from PRC?
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I really can't understand what David Albright and his co-authors are trying to prove or disprove in the above article {Self-serving leaks from the A.Q.Khan Circle}. On the one hand, they claim that China and Khan’s centrifuge program shared enrichment equipment, materials, and technology and yet on the other hand they claim that China did not benefit from the centrifuge programme because the Russians built large-scale plants for the Chinese (importance of the centrifuge plant he built for China).

It doesn't matter if the transfer of technology from Pakistan to China on the gas centrifuge plant ultimately resulted in similar large-scale plants or not. The mere facts that Pakistan was a proliferator and the NPT-compliant China also proliferated are damning. The circumstances also seem to substantiate A.Q.Khan's claims. PRC was struggling with its gas centrifuge plant and would have gladly accepted western technology from any source and A.Q.Khan came handy. Whether the ToT from Pakistan merely resulted in a pilot plant that was later shut down or whether it was only the less proven P1 design are beside the issue.

Everyone knows that A.Q.Khan is a liar and vainglorious but why should only his proliferation activities with China be belittled ?
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