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Iran will earn a ton of money by providing port facilities, transit rights, refuelling etc for the Indian troops and vehicles. With oil/gas prices falling sharply it needs to shore up revenues. Stabilization of Afghanistan is also in Iran's interest, even though the current ruling dispensation is not.Mayura wrote:I was wondering, why will Iran help India in its war???
To save its ars-e-anal from sunni al qaeda and taliban..Mayura wrote:I was wondering, why will Iran help India in its war???negi wrote:Prilliant indeed, IRAN and RU will solemnly aid India in its war after all we will be on deputation for Unkil's witch hunt . As for Rangadu sir... all the BRFites want Kangress GOI voted out and article 370 revoked but how much of it is true reflection of India's mandate , your references too are anecdotal.
To ensure that the Northern Alliance is relevant in the Afghan govt and ensure that the Shias are not decimated.Mayura wrote:
I was wondering, why will Iran help India in its war???
+Amitabh Bacchhan who is a legend in A'stan. He is alive. Couple of Big B shows in Kabul/kandahar can be arranged.asprinzl wrote: Indian troops + Raj Kapoor + Sangam + Vigianti Malah = Potent Combo
(Anyway, where do I get a good copy of this movie in New York City?)
Avram
A good summary of the frustrations BRites have expressed over the last decade.Gerard wrote:Brahma Chellaney....
Words are all we have
Shukran Habibi, atleast we still got words....Gerard wrote:Brahma Chellaney....
Words are all we have
India could mediate and help US, Israel and Iran avoid a confrontation that neither really wants. Not that it would be easy, but India is the nearest thing to an 'ajaata-shatru' honest broker for these countries. (unlike China w/ Nkorea or Pak, which is mainly interested in maximizing mischief and gaining leverage over US) That would be worth quite a lot I would think; what is missing is India seeing itself in a leadership role.RayC wrote:To ensure that the Northern Alliance is relevant in the Afghan govt and ensure that the Shias are not decimated.Mayura wrote:
I was wondering, why will Iran help India in its war???
KOCHI: The security around the Cochin Shipyard has been beefed up to the highest levels after US intelligence alerted Indian agencies about fidayeen threat on the country’s lone aircraft carrier INS Viraat currently undergoing major repairs here.
Top sources told The New Indian Express that a plot to attack Viraat using a helicopter was unearthed after internet transaction between Lashkar top brass was intercepted by technological intelligence unit of the US Government. Constant monitoring of emails and internet usage of LeT’s technology chief Zarar Shah showed that he was studying the Viraat in detail.
“Same type of study was done about the Taj and other South Mumbai targets before the attack was launched. So this information is being viewed very seriously,’’ the sources said.
Zarar Shah also did extensive study of the helicopter charter services in India, especially those in South India. “The inference points at the possibility of using a helicopter to launch a suicide attack to cripple Viraat. Lashkar has done extensive study on both the aspects. The US intercepts clearly confirm that Lashkar’s interest in Viraat is more than a casual curiosity,’’ the sources pointed out.
The information was passed onto Indian agencies along with other sensitive data transferred post-Mumbai terror strikes. And by the time the input was handed over to the Navy, Viraat had already left for Kochi for its repairs. The Navy, however, had spread an elaborate security blanket around the CSL by the time Viraat berthed in the first week of December.
“There is a security protocol assigned to a sensitive target like Viraat. We’ve initiated the procedures.
The level was a notch higher this time given the existing tension,’’ top sources said.
The Navy has deployed its marine personnel also to guard against any intrusion from the water front.
The CISF has also intensified its patrolling along the Kochi backwaters. The high level of security will remain till Viraat completes her repairs and leaves Kochi.
Sources said it may take up to five months for the extensive repair works to be complete.
This from StratDiv wrote:A good summary of the frustrations BRites have expressed over the last decade.Gerard wrote:Brahma Chellaney....
Words are all we have
“We have to adopt a very strong line against Pakistan. We should keep all options open including that of war. If the international community cannot prevent cross border terrorism activities then there is no need for India to wait. If necessary, it can go for war,'' the former union external affairs minister, Mr Yashwant Sinha today.
Pakistani security officials say a top Lashkar commander, Zarar Shah, has admitted a role in the Mumbai attack during interrogation, according to the security official, who declined to be identified discussing the investigation. "He is singing," the security official said of Mr. Shah. The admission, the official said, is backed up by U.S. intercepts of a phone call between Mr. Shah and one of the attackers at the Taj Mahal Palace & Tower, the site of a 60-hour confrontation with Indian security forces.
A second person familiar with the investigation said Mr. Shah told Pakistani interrogators that he was one of the key planners of the operation, and that he spoke with the attackers during the rampage to give them advice and keep them focused.
My speculation is that Pak has been given an ultimatum of sorts by unkil. Pak will turnover atleast a couple of the Let leaders to India, failing which I suspect there will be war. The problem is that the average paki has been brainwashed so much that they really do not believe that their govt supports terrorism in India. This is a gradual process in breaking of puki will and a very gradual breaking of the news to their populace. Note that yesterday McCain said India will attack pak, puki FM said that Kasab may be puki, now puki intelligence is finding that there is a link to Let. In reality, this is a face saving gesture to the pukis, since its US/India who have handed over the telephonic transcripts implicating Let, whereas pukis have always known the truth. The next step will be that pukis will be forced to handover one LeT leader, then India will say its not enough, and pukis will hand over another. After that peace will reign and an important message will have been sent to the LeT types. I really do believe that Pak will be forced to reign in ISI and cross border terrorism, also that the civilian govt will finally start controlling the military. These changes have already begun, e.g. dissolution of the political cell of the ISI.indradhanush wrote:Now await another round of denial, air sorties, threatening and open display of nuke from Pakistan. Unkil sam is just trying to do a tight rope walk when he gets tired he will start supporting Pak...
With all due respect Sir, the average Puke is aware of and fully supports the government sponsored terrorism in India, the only thing they are brainwashed about is that they ruled Hindus for 1000 years and that they won all wars they fought with hindus including the 71 war.The problem is that the average paki has been brainwashed so much that they really do not believe that their govt supports terrorism in India
They know exactly what their govt is doing, but they consider that a legitimate struggle against the evil Yindoos. To that extent they are brain washed.
The problem is that the average paki has been brainwashed so much that they really do not believe that their govt supports terrorism in India
I suspect they are not the brainwashed ones in this aspect. What would you say - if your government was doing similar things - when you are asked a similar question? They have practice, they are not, repeat not, brainwashed. You average jew, would know this, and stay a dozen miles away from you average local jihadi. You average yindian would feed chicken tikka to the terrorist and then ask him to admit that he has sinned. What are you trying to do, convert them?CRamS wrote:They know exactly what their govt is doing, but they consider that a legitimate struggle against the evil Yindoos. To that extent they are brain washed.
The problem is that the average paki has been brainwashed so much that they really do not believe that their govt supports terrorism in India
This is the problem. The truth isCRamS wrote:They know exactly what their govt is doing, but they consider that a legitimate struggle against the evil Yindoos. To that extent they are brain washed.
The problem is that the average paki has been brainwashed so much that they really do not believe that their govt supports terrorism in India
Really, to me Kiyani looks more powerful than Zardari et al. Army of Pak is the only institution people of Pak have faith in.Guddu wrote:I really do believe that Pak will be forced to reign in ISI and cross border terrorism, also that the civilian govt will finally start controlling the military. These changes have already begun, e.g. dissolution of the political cell of the ISI.indradhanush wrote:Now await another round of denial, air sorties, threatening and open display of nuke from Pakistan. Unkil sam is just trying to do a tight rope walk when he gets tired he will start supporting Pak...
A simple suggestion. Make it impossible (by treating it similar to sedition) for the person, and immediate family of a leader (any leader) to hold any foreign accounts or property, take foreign vacations, or even go abroad for studies - without paying a huge, huge, huge penalty, or several years of national service for free in lieu of.shiv wrote:
I understand your angst, but what I would like to see is a situation in which every politician, no matter what party, has the basic sense of nationalism to ensure that national interest is not undermined in favor of regional or communal interest.
raghunath wrote:Sound-bytes have started from BJP
Guddu wrote: My speculation is that Pak has been given an ultimatum of sorts by unkil. Pak will turnover atleast a couple of the Let leaders to India, failing which I suspect there will be war. The problem is that the average paki has been brainwashed so much that they really do not believe that their govt supports terrorism in India. This is a gradual process in breaking of puki will and a very gradual breaking of the news to their populace. Note that yesterday McCain said India will attack pak, puki FM said that Kasab may be puki, now puki intelligence is finding that there is a link to Let. In reality, this is a face saving gesture to the pukis, since its US/India who have handed over the telephonic transcripts implicating Let, whereas pukis have always known the truth. The next step will be that pukis will be forced to handover one LeT leader, then India will say its not enough, and pukis will hand over another. After that peace will reign and an important message will have been sent to the LeT types. I really do believe that Pak will be forced to reign in ISI and cross border terrorism, also that the civilian govt will finally start controlling the military. These changes have already begun, e.g. dissolution of the political cell of the ISI.
SaiK wrote:I think this is the yindoo weakness that analyzes about how enemy minds get into evil or that and this. If those analysis does not aid in the benefit of destroying the enemy, what is it worth for? I am convinced that we are seeking some aspects to cling on to, to carry our minds to keep ourselves with in the tolerance threshold alive.
Whenever we feel the evil forces have reached threshold value, we somehow tuck ourselves to the grooves and correlate various aspects, that would be detrimental to our future assumed great power thoughts.
Bottom line, we are just making history only in our minds. We invade, We establish and conquer the evil forces only in our minds and thoughts. In real life, we billions are those cat on the wall waiting for which side it sees to jump so that it can feel safe again back into the traditional groove.
How Unprofessional We Can Be!
By B. Raman
On May 1, 1960, the Soviet security forces shot down a U-2 spy plane of the US intelligence, piloted by Francis Gary Powers, as it was flying stealthily across the Soviet Union from Peshawar to Helsinki. The pilot parachuted into Soviet territory, was captured alive by the Soviet intelligence and interrogated. The KGB, the Soviet intelligence agency, did not announce for seven days that he had been captured alive. They gave the impression that he was dead.
2. Presuming that he must have died, the administration of Dwight Eisenhower, the then US President, made a number of contradictory statements about its responsibility for violating the Soviet air space. Powers, during his interrogation, made a total confession of his role and of the previous US spy flights over Soviet territory. After the interrogation had been completed, the Soviet authorities announced that he had been captured alive and released details of his confession. The US Government was put in an embarrassing position and admitted that it had been sending spy flights over the Soviet Union.
3. On May 7, 1960, Nikita Khrushchev, the then Soviet Prime Minister, told the world: “I must tell you a secret. When I made my first report I deliberately did not say that the pilot was alive and well… and now just look how many silly things [the Americans] have said.” Not only was Powers still alive, but his plane was also more or less intact, including much of its spy equipment.
4. After the Mumbai blasts of March, 1993, Narasimha Rao, the then Prime Minister, issued strict instructions that no one should disclose details of the investigation to the media. Two groups were set up at New Delhi and Mumbai. They met every day to review the progress of the investigation and decide how much should be disclosed to the media and what should not be disclosed. Instructions were issued that except the Commissioner of Police of Mumbai, no other officer should talk to the media. Even he held a daily collective briefing of the media as a whole and avoided one-to-one briefings to any individual journalist. In August 1994---- 17 months after the blasts---- after the arrest of one of the key perpetrators, Shri K.Padmanabiah, the then Home Secretary, held a press conference at New Delhi to collectively brief the media on the role of Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) in the explosions.
5. Since the US started its Operation Enduring Freedom against Al Qaeda and the Taliban on October 7, 2001, it has captured a number of senior operatives of Al Qaeda in Pakistani territory---Abu Zubaidah in Faislabad in Pakistani Punjab, Ramzi Binalshib in Karachi, Khalid Sheikh Mohammad (KSM) in Rawalpindi, Abu-Faraj al-Libi in the North-West Frontier Province (NWFP), to cite some of them. It also captured Hambali of the Jemmah Islamiyah, with the help of the Thai authorities at Ayuthya in Thailand. All of them were taken to either Diego Garcia or Bagram in Afghanistan or the Guantanamo Bay detention centre in Cuba for interrogation.
6. Till now, the details of their interrogation have not been released to the media by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). Only sanitized summaries were released to the media after they were indicted before a military tribunal. Mariam, the widow of Daniel Pearl, the US journalist, was reportedly briefed in confidence by the FBI about what KSM had stated about his role in the kidnapping and murder of her husband.
7. This is professionalism. When I joined the Intelligence Bureau (IB) in 1967, I was taught in the training institute about the importance of keeping secret the details of the statements made by suspects during their interrogation till the case reached the stage of prosecution. If the details came out in the media, that would benefit the terrorist organization to which the suspect belonged. If the terrorist act was sponsored by a State, it would be able to cover up its tracks.
8. In recent years, we have been seeing the disturbing and highly unprofessional practice of intelligence and police officers giving to the media even before the investigation is complete, the details of the statements being made by suspects during the interrogation. In fact, they even give to their journalistic contacts a virtual running commentary of the interrogation. They do not seem to realize the damage which they are causing to the fight against terrorism by doing so.
9. Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) and other foreign intelligence agencies do not even have to develop sources in our intelligence agencies and the police for getting details of interrogation reports and the line of investigation being followed by the police and the intelligence agencies. They just have to identify such privileged journalists, closely follow their reports and, if need be, cultivate them.
10. This often creates ridiculous situations such as in the case of Mohammad Ajmal Amir Imam, the Pakistani member of the Lashkar-e-Toiba (LET), who is presently under interrogation by the Mumbai Police on his role in the terrorist attack by the LET in Mumbai on November 26-29, 2008. We have been rightly refusing to share the details of his interrogation with the Pakistani authorities on the ground that it will be premature to do so and that sharing the details at this stage with the Pakistani authorities might enable the LET and the ISI to cover up their tracks.
11. And here are the officers of the Mumbai Police and the intelligence community sharing all the details with some privileged journalists without realizing the damage to the investigation and our fight against terrorism that could be caused by almost daily disclosures. This could also damage our credibility and cast doubts about our professionalism.
12. What was the need for the investigating officers to tell the journalists about the place where the surviving LET terrorist was being detained and where he is going to be transferred next? Don’t they realise that such information would be useful to the LET and the ISI if they want to mount an operation to rescue or eliminate him? What was the need for the journalists to find out such sensitive details and disseminate them in the media? After the serial explosions in Ahmedabad in July, we saw some private TV channels giving details of the hospitals where the injured victims were being admitted. There was a vehicular bomb explosion in one of these hospitals.
13. As I have repeated many times before, it is important for the investigating officers to keep an open mind in the initial stages of the investigation and avoid coming out with categorical conclusions, which may be proved wrong by evidence collected subsequently. This is a rule of prudence to safeguard the credibility of the investigation process. Here we find everybody in Mumbai and Delhi coming out with categorical statements without the least doubts in their minds about the validity of their statements
14. The sequel to the Mumbai attack has been handled in an unprofessional manner not only by the Mumbai Police and the intelligence agencies, but also by the policy makers---political and professional--- of the Government of India. In our understandable anxiety to nail the State of Pakistan, we have been following a strategy, which lacks lucidity and coherence.
15. Our immediate objective should have been to prepare a well-written and well-collated dossier with evidence already collected, which do not require further independent corroboration and share it with other countries, particularly those whose nationals were killed by the terrorists. Among such pieces of evidence one could mention the intercepts of the IB and the Research & Analysis Wing (R&AW) and the reports of the US intelligence in September about the plans of the LET to mount a sea-borne act of terrorism in Mumbai targeting some hotels, including the Taj Mahal hotel, the visuals from the closed circuit TV cameras installed in the railway station and the hotels, the reports carried by the “Observer” of the UK, the GeoTV and the “Dawn” of Pakistan identifying the surviving terrorist as a Pakistani national and usable extracts from the interrogation of the surviving terrorist which could be used in our diplomatic campaign without compromising the chances of a successful prosecution.
16. We should have also disseminated such a dossier to the Pakistani public and political leaders, who are well-disposed towards India. At the height of the Kargil conflict, the R&AW intercepted the telephone conversations of Gen.Pervez Musharraf, then on a visit to Beijing, with Lt.Gen.Mohammad Aziz, his Chief of the General Staff. The intercepted conversations showed that it was the Pakistan Army which had intruded into Indian territory and not the jihadis as claimed by the Army and that Musharraf had not kept Nawaz Sharif, his Prime Minister, and many other senior officers in the Army, the Air Force and the Navy in the picture about his operation to capture the Kargil heights. The Government of India not only released the transcripts of the conversations to the public and the international community in order to show the perfidy of Musharraf, but also shared them with selected Pakistani political leaders, including Nawaz Sharif himself, in order to make them realise what kind of an officer they had as the Chief of the Army Staff.
17. The Western countries and Israel have taken a serious note of the Mumbai attack and are doing their own independent investigation not because Indians were killed, but because their own nationals were killed----with the Jewish victims being subjected to inhuman brutality by the terrorists. They suspect that the targeting of nationals from countries----the US, the UK, France, Germany, Italy and Canada--- which are participating in the war against terrorism in Afghanistan indicates that it was possibly an Al Qaeda inspired operation, if not a joint operation by the LET and Al Qaeda. If these suspicions prove to be correct, this will show that the ISI has been using the LET as well as Al Qaeda against India. It would also show that while pretending to co-operate with the US against Al Qaeda in the Federally-Administered Tribal Areas (FATA), the ISI has been using Al Qaeda elements against India. This is an aspect which has to be kept in view during the investigation instead of viewing the attack as a totally LET-mounted operation with the help of the ISI.
18. By now, we should have put on a specially created web site the personal particulars of suspects involved in the Mumbai attack and announced a cash reward of Rs. 50 million each, if not more, to anyone giving information which could lead to their arrest or elimination. A safe line of communication should have been indicated in the web site which could be used by the potential informers to get in touch with the right person in the investigation agencies.
19. The investigation into the Ahmedabad blasts of July and the Mumbai terrorist attack have brought out that the interrogation reports of some suspects arrested in February, 2008, contained possible clues to future terrorist strikes. These interrogation reports were not systematically followed up. It is likely that dozens of other interrogation reports lie unread, unanalyzed and unacted upon in the archives of the Police in different States. The Government should ask a group of serving officers to go through all interrogation reports of the last three years in order to see whether they too contained similar clues about the future.
I like these ideas, infact this is very similar to how the US deals with other state sponsers of terrorism. I am copying the portion of the text with new ideas (from the link), so that more will read it.indradhanush wrote:Please let me know if this could be a solution in fight against Paki terrorism ;
http://bhartendusinha.wordpress.com/200 ... terrorism/