Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 16 2009

John_H · Post by **John_H** » 20 May 2009 17:09

The fact is that the minds of generations of schoolchildren are being perverted by our public school system. It is not just the textbooks that are preaching hatred, violence and intolerance. The teachers who are the products of this system can teach no better. With a few noble exceptions, they make their students swallow hook, line and sinker what the books say without even attempting to moderate the ideas conveyed.

manish · Post by **manish** » 20 May 2009 17:11

r_subramanian wrote: I can not find any mention of this visit in pakistani press this morning.

More Paki generosity - this time towards Oz
Pakis 'agree' to Oz Requests

CANBERRA: Pakistan’s military chief held low-key talks with Australian military commanders on Wednesday and agreed to step-up counter-terrorism cooperation as his country targets pro-Taliban militancy in the Swat Valley.

'Agreed' huh? I am sure the Aussies will be happy...

Majid also agreed to send 70 troops to Australia for training, including counter-terrorism advice, he said.

The Paki generosity knows no limits-they have graciously 'agreed' to send their troops to receive training? What kind of spin is this?

Am I mis-reading this or what?

John_H · Post by **John_H** » 20 May 2009 17:11

Germany sells tanks to Qatar, delays on subs to Pakistan

Germany is to sell main battle tanks to Qatar, ending a long ban on selling the heavy weapons to Arabian peninsula nations, the news magazine said on Saturday.

But a sale of stealth submarines to Pakistan was on hold till after Germany’s general election in September, the magazine reported, without citing sources.

The sale of three sophisticated fuel-cell-powered Type 214 submarines to Pakistan had been approved, and an export credit of 1 billion euros (1.3 billion dollars) had been offered, but no contract had been signed yet, Spiegel said.

It said the sale negotiations were dragging out. With Pakistan destabilized by Taliban advances, the council had decided to adjourn further deliberation on the potentially controversial sale till after September.

The submarines are extremely quiet and can lurk under water for weeks, giving them the same capability as nuclear-powered submarines.

Report: German Submarine Deal With Pakistan Goes Quiet

Dubai’s Khaleej Times relays a Der Spiegel report that Germany has approved a sale to Pakistan of 3 top-of-the-line Type 214 diesel-electric submarines with Air-Independent Propulsion. An export financing credit of EUR 1 billion euros ($1.36 billion equivalent) has reportedly been offered.

John_H · Post by **John_H** » 20 May 2009 17:14

Henry Kissinger 'On the Record' on Pakistan, Nuke Threats and More

VAN SUSTEREN: Well, last week, the admiral who's the Joint Chiefs of Staff said before the -- one of the Senate committees -- he said there is evidence that Pakistan is adding to its nuclear weapons system and warheads. That's really bad news if you're talking to try to cap the situation

KISSINGER: In the short term, the preeminent objective has to be to prevent further proliferation of nuclear weapons into North Korea, Iran, and now Pakistan is building up its forces. The real problem in Pakistan isn't so much the size of its forces, because they're pretty substantial already, but the question is whether there's political control over these weapons. And with Taliban forces 60 miles from the capital, one has to be concerned that these weapons might fall into jihadist hands.

VAN SUSTEREN: It's interesting you raise that because the CIA director, Leon Panetta, was even asked that question about how confident we can be that the nuclear warheads in Pakistan are secured. And he says they are, quote, "pretty secure," the measures are pretty secure. That -- that's not certainty to me.

KISSINGER: Well, "pretty secure" isn't good enough for the long term. And so one of the problems, immediate problem we face is to stop any further proliferation.

John_H · Post by **John_H** » 20 May 2009 17:16

Emad Ansari: Immigration horror stories

But, unfortunately, that was not what was in store for the 27-year-old student from Pakistan pursuing a Masters of Business Administration degree. The boys’ conversation was interrupted — rather rudely, by anyone’s standards — by policemen holding submachine guns. Adil’s friend was shoved aside unceremoniously. The police, meanwhile, proceeded to arrest a bemused Adil.

Adil was one of twelve men of Pakistani origin to be apprehended as part of an anti-terror operation in England that aimed to stop, according to Prime Minister Gordon Brown, “a very big terrorist plot,” as reported by The Los Angeles Times (Britain has freed 12 men arrested in anti-terrorism sweep, 04/23/2009).

What ensued as a result of the arrests was an overhyped critique of Britain’s visa procedures and debates on whether international students — particularly those from Pakistan — were all really terrorists in disguise. That is, until the students were declared not guilty and all charges against them were dropped. Authorities, however, still attempted to deport nine of the arrested men despite the lack of evidence linking them to terrorist groups. The subsequent diplomatic fallout saw Brown scurrying to meet his Pakistani counterpart. But the students’ futures remain uncertain.

John_H · Post by **John_H** » 20 May 2009 17:17

SCENARIOS-What outcome for Pakistan's battle in Swat?

An inconclusive campaign with heavy civilian casualties would undercut public support and bolster critics who decry fighting "America's war". A frustrated United States could step up strikes on fighters by pilotless drone aircraft while the government might try a peace deal like the one that has just fallen apart. If history is a guide, this may be the most likely scenario.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 20 May 2009 17:17

Taliban threat on dress code works

If this is happening in Peshawar, what is this tall claim of the Taliban being routed by the PA ?

After thrashing of a medical representative by Taliban and warning to employees of banks, the workers of an insurance company in Peshawar have been directed to avoid pant-shirt and wear ‘shalwar-kameez’.

The employees of National Jubilee Insurance (NJI), a private insurance company, would wear ‘shalwar-kameez’ from today (Wednesday) as directed by the higher authorities, sources informed.

Though majority of the people working in the company were not used to traditional dress of ‘shalwar-kameez’ as they have been wearing pant-shirt from school days, the Taliban threats have now compelled them to put on ‘shalwar-kameez’, the sources added.

The employees of different banks in the provincial metropolis have stopped wearing pant-shirt, he added. He said since the staff of other organisations and institutions in the provincial capital had already started wearing traditional dress, the NJI high-up at a meeting told the workers to wear ‘shalwar-kameez’ to avoid any untoward incident.

It was told that Taliban threats should not be taken for granted and banks and others organisations and institutions should be followed in the dress code, he added. The local Taliban thrashed a medical rep at the city busiest Dabgari Gardens a couple of days ago. They beat up the man with butts of rifles after which he fell unconscious and before leaving they put a letter in his pocket with wording like “this was a message and next time those not abiding our instructions and wearing ‘un-Islamic dress’ would be slaughtered.”

The incident took place at the most busy place of the city where hundreds of doctors are running their private clinics and which being visited by thousands of patients and their attendants daily. Police station is situated at a distance of few yards.

Before warning to medical reps and doctors of public sector hospitals, the people identifying themselves as Taliban had entered a private bank branch at Ramdas area sometime back and warned the staff not to wear pant-shirt to avoid dire consequences.

John_H · Post by **John_H** » 20 May 2009 17:18

800th Anniversary Scholarships launched in Pakistan

A new national scholarship will enable students from Pakistan to study at the University of Cambridge without the worry of creating a financial burden for their families.

The scholarships provide full funding, covering fees and means-tested maintenance, for undergraduate study at the University of Cambridge.

'Pakistan ranks as one of CIE's highest achieving countries in terms of outstanding students. We are proud to partner with schools and Centres to nurture the amazing ability of Pakistan's young people.'

John_H · Post by **John_H** » 20 May 2009 17:19

Italy keen to import skilled manpower from Pakistan

ISLAMABAD: Federal Minister for Labour and Manpower, Syed Khursheed Ahmad Shah on Tuesday said Pakistan had received a big demand of skilled workers from Italy and in this regard MoU would be signed soon.

He discussed that Pakistan would supply different categories of skilled and unskilled workers for inclusion in Italy’s seasonal workers scheme on regular footing and under specific quota, which could bring economic dividend to Pakistan and Italy.

John_H · Post by **John_H** » 20 May 2009 17:22

76% Pakistanis terms media as un-biased, says survey

ISLAMABAD (SANA): 76% believe that Pakistani media is un-biased to a great or some extent.

According to Gilani Research Foundation survey carried out by Gallup Pakistan that twenty percent (20%) said it is unbiased to a great extent, 56% of the respondents believe that media is unbiased to some extent while 22% believe Pakistani media is biased. Two percent (2%) gave no response.

In comparison with the western media, more people prefer Pakistani media as 40% of the respondents claim it is better than western media.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 20 May 2009 17:24

John_H wrote:Curriculum of hatred

Zardari announced very bravely in Washington that the curriculum of madrasseh will be changed. And, now this. Nothing will be done in Pakistan. One of the yardsticks set by the US for aid disbursement should be 'curriculum and textbooks'.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 20 May 2009 17:30

John_H wrote:800th Anniversary Scholarships launched in Pakistan

A new national scholarship will enable students from Pakistan to study at the University of Cambridge without the worry of creating a financial burden for their families.

The scholarships provide full funding, covering fees and means-tested maintenance, for undergraduate study at the University of Cambridge.

'Pakistan ranks as one of CIE's highest achieving countries in terms of outstanding students. We are proud to partner with schools and Centres to nurture the amazing ability of Pakistan's young people.'

I don't understand this... Indians are much more capable and they get so few scholarships.. My university (somewhere in "The West") offers masters scholarships to Pakis, Bangladeshis, Srilankans, Vietnamese, Chinese, Mexicans.. But not to a single Indian. Ironically, many PhD students here are Indians.... Most of yindoos finish their masters and continue their PhD's and contribute to the knowledge pool of themselves, the university, the country and humanity.. Quite a few Yindoos come from desh just to do PhD... Very few pakis and BD's do the same.. Yet, instead of helping the needy Yindoo Master students, they are made to live in poverty and financial crunch, while pakis have fun with govt and univ scholarships..

fcuking stupid.. This is what I call rewarding the devil for being devilish... Stupid west....

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 20 May 2009 20:51

Check the latest comment....
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Eric Margolis
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May 20th 2009, 3:12am
So much sarcasm from members of an unmentionable forum.

Anyway, as with everything else in Pakistan,its nuclear weapons are most likely to be a scam that its people would have been fooled into.

Eric seems to be much more sophisticated than his writings betray-I have occasionally wondered if he isn't an intelligence ass(et).

arun · Post by **arun** » 20 May 2009 21:13

Die Welt interview of Leon Panetta, Director of the CIA.

Large swathes of the interview touches on Pakistan. Security of Pakistani nuclear weapons, Pakistan as a haven for the senior Al-Qaeda leadership, Swat Valley etc.

What however struck me was the mention of “F-16 jet strikes” as a cause of collateral damage in a discussion on drones.

I wonder …………………..

Has Pakistan, besides permitting US drone strikes permitted the US to carry out strikes by manned aircraft as well

:

WELT ONLINE: You say the CIA strategy against al-Qaida and its allies is working in the Pakistan-Afghan border region. Yet, critics, such as David Kilcullen, the counterinsurgency expert who advised Gen. David Petraeus in Iraq, say the strikes by remote drones in the tribal zones have only killed 14 terrorist leaders, while more than 700 civilians have been killed. Isn't this stimulating more anti-Americanism across Pakistan than disrupting al-Qaida?

Panetta: These are covert, secret operations. So I can't go into particulars. Suffice it to say that the operations have been very effective because they have been very precise in terms of hitting targets with a minimum of collateral damage.

Sometimes critics sweep casualties from other less-precise operations, for example F-16 jet strikes, that go into these areas and can cause significant collateral damage. In discussing this, I sometimes find that the numbers are mixed together. But I assure you that in terms of our strategy, it is very precise and very limited in terms of collateral damage. And, very frankly, it is the only game in town in terms of trying to disrupt the al-Qaida leadership.

Welt Online

sum · Post by **sum** » 20 May 2009 21:25

ISLAMABAD, May 20 (APP): The United States has been asked to supply air conditioned tents for the Internally Displaced Persons (IDPs) in result of Operation Rah-e-Rast, Chairman Special Support Group (SSG) Lt. General Nadeem Ahmed said.

Talking to media after receiving first consignment for IDPs from brotherly country of Egypt here Wednesday, the SSG Chief said that seeing the approaching scorching summer, especially in the areas where IPD camps have been established, the United States has been asked to provide “environment control” tents. These tents will help beat the heat of summer, especially to those IDPs who may suffer heat stroke in the sweltering summer days.

What next? AC cars for the IDPs to move aroud in the summer?

The Pakis try to maintain a semblance of H&D even when begging(a.k.a 5-star begging)!!!

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 20 May 2009 21:38

What next?

Well, you asked for it:

NYTimes :: Arms Sent by U.S. May Be Falling Into Taliban Hands

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 20 May 2009 21:38

sanjaykumar wrote:Check the latest comment....
Quote:
Eric Margolis
Report Comment
May 20th 2009, 3:12am
So much sarcasm from members of an unmentionable forum.

Anyway, as with everything else in Pakistan,its nuclear weapons are most likely to be a scam that its people would have been fooled into.

Eric seems to be much more sophisticated than his writings betray-I have occasionally wondered if he isn't an intelligence ass(et).

After 911 in a CNN live program Eric Margolis admitted that he was a CIA asset.

Rahul Shukla · Post by **Rahul Shukla** » 20 May 2009 22:28

Let’s call Pakistan’s bluff (WSJ/Livemint)

In a way, those who argue that the Pakistan army lacks the capacity to fight this war are right; but this is a lack of capacity that no amount of night-vision goggles and helicopter gunships can ameliorate. And this unpalatable reality is obfuscated behind the India bogey...

If the “India threat” were to recede, Pakistan—and for that matter the US—will have no more excuses left to avoid having to do what is necessary. New Delhi should, therefore, call Pakistan’s bluff by mounting what we propose to call Operation Markarap.

First, the new Union government, at the highest levels, must categorically declare that Pakistan need not fear an Indian military attack so long as the Pakistan army is engaged in a battle against the Taliban... It will take the wind out of the sails of Pakistan’s American apologists by depriving them of their strongest and seemingly plausible argument.

Second, India should move back some of the army strike formations currently deployed in Rajasthan and Punjab. Such a bold, strategic move will not only make India’s verbal assurances credible, but will also immediately result in irresistible pressure on the Pakistan army to commit more of its troops to the western border.

Since the risk of Pakistani armoured columns rolling into India is not serious at this time, India can easily afford to move several divisions of its strike corps away from the border to more inland positions... even if the Pakistan army irrationally tries to exploit the Indian move by launching a conventional attack along the border, it will be hopelessly isolated internationally, not to mention at serious risk of yet another military defeat at the hands of the Indian Armed Forces.

Third, India should proceed with the normalization process in Jammu and Kashmir that includes reducing the visible presence of security forces in population centres.

Finally, Indian diplomacy must extract maximum advantage— mainly in Washington, but also in other capitals—by signalling India’s invaluable role in helping the international community solve its “migraine”.

... India won’t be worse off by mounting Operation Markarap, a Parakram in reverse.

Nitin Pai and Sushant K. Singh are editors of Pragati—The Indian National Interest Review, a publication on strategic affairs, public policy and governance.

Yet another pair of brilliant analysts is born. They have no idea of Pakistan's abilities to come up with 'excuses' for non-performance in GOAT. After enduring terrorism/infilatration for decades in addition to Kargil and yet refusing to cross the LOC/IB, the authors still want the Indian PM to offer assurances that evil yindoostan will not attack poor Porkistan while the musharraf of fort-e-islam is vulnerable. All this in addition to making the Indian Army play musical chairs in Indian territory - hoping - Pakistan would to what's right.

Yeah right! I think I just saw a Unicorn...

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 20 May 2009 22:45

Sounds more like "Operation Morkrap" from WKK lite.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 20 May 2009 23:16

Nitin Pai and Sushant K. Singh are editors of Pragati—The Indian National Interest Review, a publication on strategic affairs, public policy and governance.

Both could be BR lurkers

raji · Post by **raji** » 20 May 2009 23:17

ramana wrote:Sounds more like "Operation Morkrap" from WKK lite.

Correct, Ramana.

But this is the kind of stuff Indians routinely do. Moochuruf and Imran Khan are huge heros in India. Rockstart status !

Shabana Azmi never talks about the ban on Indian performers and films in Pak.

Even BRF has not done serious fact finding and analysis in detail of what exactly happened to the at least 15% of the Hindu population in W Pak. I mean, there is no good source that has outlined step by step, detail by detail, how almost all these Hindus were either forcibly converted, forced to leave or killed........

Have not heard about the Kashmir Pandits lately at all

The Akhal Takht and the usually extreme Sikh nationalist organizations and the moderate Sikh organizations are eerily silent about atrocities against the Sikhs by Taliban in Swat, AfPak etc. If quiet diplomacy is their answer, then why not quiet diplomacy on Delhi riots too.....What do the Khalistanis have to say now about a partnership with Pak ?

And on and on and on and on........

So, why dont you think that Indian Govt may actually withdraw its forces from the border in the name of "Chanakyan" policy as the above two fools propose ?

p_saggu · Post by **p_saggu** » 20 May 2009 23:39

There is an article on the WSJ today that North Korea may be preparing for another nuclear test. The first test (Likely a Pak-NK cooperative effort went fizzle giving a ~ 2KT yield)

Could the faithfools be now collaborating with the non believers in testing a refined version with djinn power?

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 20 May 2009 23:42

SSridhar wrote:Taliban threat on dress code works

If this is happening in Peshawar, what is this tall claim of the Taliban being routed by the PA ?

After thrashing of a medical representative by Taliban and warning to employees of banks, the workers of an insurance company in Peshawar have been directed to avoid pant-shirt and wear ‘shalwar-kameez’.[/b]

are Taliban asking those men to buy Salwar Kameez from Online Salwar Kameez? pata chala peshawar ke aadmi logonka 'pesha' change ho gaya.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 21 May 2009 03:14

U.S. seeks $5 donations for Pakistani refugees

The Obama administration Tuesday pledged $110 million in humanitarian aid for Pakistani refugees fleeing heavy fighting in the country's Swat Valley and asked Americans to donate $5 each via text-messaging for tents, clothing, food and medicine.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 21 May 2009 03:20

p_saggu wrote:There is an article on the WSJ today that North Korea may be preparing for another nuclear test. The first test (Likely a Pak-NK cooperative effort went fizzle giving a ~ 2KT yield)

Could the faithfools be now collaborating with the non believers in testing a refined version with djinn power?

Yep, the Paki Nuke scientists have been on a strict diet of potatoes and Chana in preperation for the test, hopefully on this occassion there will be more sound than smell

sunilUpa · Post by **sunilUpa** » 21 May 2009 05:19

pakees and their tale of higher education in Londonistan

Heh..'God save the King' takes a new meaning!

jmaxwell · Post by **jmaxwell** » 21 May 2009 07:18

TIME
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/ ... 51,00.html

How Pakistan Failed Itself

enqyoob · Post by **enqyoob** » 21 May 2009 07:37

Both could be BR lurkers

Probably PakDefNDum postors. The idiocy shows.

amit · Post by **amit** » 21 May 2009 07:59

You know the recent reports about the Pakis expanding their bum making capabilities like this one:

Photos show Pakistan expanding nuclear sites: institute

got me thinking.

Our ABM shield which will be up within a few years has got the Pakis and their ChinPanda masters apeshit scared. And one way to counter such a sheild is to overwhelm it with more missiles and for more missiles one need more bums. And so the frenetic efforts to produce more.

However, the US acting coy about this development is also a wee bit strange, like the report that CIA doesn't know the location of all the Paki bums.

Now I wonder, if the US is trying to convey a message to India - go slow on your indigenous missile shield (and buy American). Otherwise we will let the dog out of the manger?

And ChinPanda would love it if the Indian missile shield can be stopped. Remember with the shield up, ChinPanda would have to use its scare ICBMs to hit India rather than the more numerous shorter range maal they have stationed in Tibet.

If N Korea is indeed preparing for a second bum test it would be interesting to see if there's any Paki footprint.

Just my thought. Would appreciate it if some gurus here can give comments or flesh out my arguments.

aryank · Post by **aryank** » 21 May 2009 08:14

Should Pakistan Exist?

Written by Dr. Jack Wheeler

sudeepj · Post by **sudeepj** » 21 May 2009 08:19

Acharya wrote:
Nitin Pai and Sushant K. Singh are editors of Pragati—The Indian National Interest Review, a publication on strategic affairs, public policy and governance.
Both could be BR lurkers

They probably are. Nitin pai used to run the acorn blog on foreign policy issues. Now they are running Pragati and Indian National interest (blog aggregator, I think).

They are on the right side, and are among the good guys, though its possible they got this particular issue wrong.

If folks feel so strongly about what they feel, let them know it. They are not hoity-toityies, they will listen to what you say. Ranting on just the forum is probably not as productive.

Heres the link to Nitins blog
http://acorn.nationalinterest.in/2009/0 ... /#comments

bart · Post by **bart** » 21 May 2009 08:20

Gerard wrote:U.S. seeks $5 donations for Pakistani refugees
The Obama administration Tuesday pledged $110 million in humanitarian aid for Pakistani refugees fleeing heavy fighting in the country's Swat Valley and asked Americans to donate $5 each via text-messaging for tents, clothing, food and medicine.

They will no doubt be rewarded for their generosity by another 911.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 21 May 2009 08:25

Army takes Sultanwas, kills 81

General Abbas said Pakistan was facing a “double threat” – one internal and the other on its eastern borders – “and until a long-term solution is found to resolve the issues, the threat will remain in place”

He declined to confirm the death of Mullah Fazlullah and Muslim Khan, but said they had been targeted. Gen Abbas said there was no authentic intelligence available to confirm they had been killed.

archan · Post by **archan** » 21 May 2009 09:17

Pak nuke arsenal worry for India, US: Obama

WASHINGTON: President Barack Obama says that Pakistan's 'large' nuclear arsenal is a worry for India and the US especially at a time when terror outfits like al-Qaida and Taliban are trying to get such weapons. The president's comments coincided with the release of the latest satellite photos which revealed that Pakistan is multiplying its nuclear arsenal much beyond its present stable of 60 to 100 weapons and increasing their destructive power and deliverability system. Obama also said it is "absolutely imperative" for the US to take the "leadership" in meeting the security challenges spawned by nuclear proliferation in the world "particularly at a time when countries like North Korea and Iran are in the process of developing nuclear weapons capacity.

Pakis must be browning their pants. "Ooh they are planning to take our green Islamic missiles onlee. We ate grass to make them greener!!"

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 21 May 2009 10:44

Jama'at-e-Islami's Qazi Hussein saheb says Swat Operation is similar to Lal Masjid Operation

He said that the Swat operation is the action replay of Lal Masjid operation and the only difference is that large numbers of innocent people are being killed in Swat, adding, the target of operation is not Taliban or Sufi Mohammad but the poor and innocent people.

"It is not correct to target the whole population for the pursuance of few terrorists and even the Indian forces never adopted such measures in occupied Kashmir ", he observed.

"Taliban could never occupy Islamabad", Qazi said. {AoA. . .That's very reassuring}

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 21 May 2009 14:51

No discussion on the complete U turn by Obama and the reward of 1.5 Billion $ for attacking Mumbai?

Perhaps in the US perfidy thread?

derkonig · Post by **derkonig** » 21 May 2009 15:17

http://cricket.rediff.com/report/2009/m ... s-butt.htm
Plij to comment onlee...

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 21 May 2009 15:22

Pakistan Cricket Board Chairman Ejaz Butt has accused the ICC [Images] and the BCCI of treating them as beggars and threatened dire consequences if they are not allowed to host 2011 World Cup matches.

What are the 'dire' consequences he's talking about? Paki's coming out of ICC? No one will miss them really. Atleast one major hyphenation on India-Pak cricket will end.

arun · Post by **arun** » 21 May 2009 16:01

archan wrote:Pak nuke arsenal worry for India, US: Obama

WASHINGTON: President Barack Obama says that Pakistan's 'large' nuclear arsenal is a worry for India and the US especially at a time when terror outfits like al-Qaida and Taliban are trying to get such weapons. The president's comments coincided with the release of the latest satellite photos which revealed that Pakistan is multiplying its nuclear arsenal much beyond its present stable of 60 to 100 weapons and increasing their destructive power and deliverability system. .........
Pakis must be browning their pants. "Ooh they are planning to take our green Islamic missiles onlee. We ate grass to make them greener!!"

As I had said before, in a post in this very thread, interesting to see that the US fears the un-uniformed jihadis getting their hands on Pakistan’s nuclear weapons but does not appear to fear the present situation where the uniformed jihadis have control of the nuclear weapons.

Looks like Pres. Obama has got it all wrong and is wishfully projecting his fears onto India.

IMO an un-uniformed jihadi takeover of Pakistan is in India’s interest as instead of all Pakistan’s nuclear weapons being targeted at India as at present some nuclear weapons presently aimed at India will be retargeted onto Crusaders, Zionists and Kaafir Shia’s and other un-uniformed jihadi bugbears.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 21 May 2009 16:10

^^ Slowly the reality is dawning that without India, peace cannot be secured in the region. So analysts are vomitting all kinds of 'solutions' that India should do this, that, then that..etc. Let them blurt out. They know they'll lose the AfPAk region if India does'nt come in, if it does, it's showdown time for sure. Thats the dilemna US is realizing it's facing, but finding it extremely difficult to speak out and phrase. The more you look at this situation, the idea that a 'Stable Pakistan is in India's interests' fades away. Wondering when mainstream US starts realizing this fundamental reality that a 'Stable entity called Pakisatan' is in no ones interest.