Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 20 Sep 2009 17:57

vaman wrote:'Musharraf rewarded Pak militant who slit throat of Indian officer'

Also read this on how an SSG Commando became a dreaded terrorist.

He was once arrested by Indian Army from Poonch area of Indian held Kashmir along with Nasrullah Mansoor Langrial. He was imprisoned in different Indian jails for two years and finally he escaped from there after breaking the jail. His old friend Langrial is still imprisoned in India.

We do not learn lessons and in our earnestness to uphold rule-of-law to the extreme, we do not hesitate to put our own countrymen in complete harm's way. Where is the need to keep the Langrial guy still in prison ? In fact, Ilyas Kashmiri himself should have been eliminated during the two years. How could he have been allowed to escape ? All these started with Mufti Sayeed's release of terrorists for his own daughter and we have never turned back from that day. We unnecessarily detain the terrorists without eliminating them (and those officers who do that are slapped with human rights violation and incarcerated and humiliated) and detention offers them opportunities to escape, and develop unholy alliance in the jail (as Omar saeed Sheikh did in Tihar) that cause more damage. We lack facilities and mindset to enforce extra tight security to these terrorists and that's why they should be eliminated rather than being held. The supposedly high security Tihar jail hosted Masood Azhar, Omar Saeed Sheikh and Zargar simultaneously and that is where Aftab Ansari developed contacts with them. How could the jail authorities have allowed these hardened criminals to communiacte with each other and with Indians knowing well that they could influence impressionable minds easily ?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 20 Sep 2009 18:22

vaman wrote:'Musharraf rewarded Pak militant who slit throat of Indian officer'

What to the peaceniks have to say about this?

Oh I'm impressed.

When is the next India Today conclave?

satya · Post by **satya** » 20 Sep 2009 19:08

Can somebody explain why TSPians be it abdul jihadi or abdul fauji or wanabe abdul dream & luv to slit the throat of a captured person? Do they get some kind of kick in doing so or is it prescribed in their piss full bookof their religion?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 20 Sep 2009 19:31

satya, the following may not be liked by some. I am sorry if I sound insensitive because Indian lives have been lost this way at Pakistani hands. But, this is what Wikipedia says: This method of slaughtering animals consists of a swift, deep incision with a sharp knife on the neck, cutting the jugular veins and carotid arteries of both sides but leaving the spinal cord intact.

That is the halaal way and that is what the Abduls of TSP do. In order to be accepted in the Hereafter, they have to eschew haraami ways which are mamnoo and follow the halaal ways only. Who are you or anybody else to find fault ?

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 20 Sep 2009 20:19

^^^Quite confusing! Yes that is the reco way for preparing animals meant for eating, and is basically a copy of "Hebrew" kosher. Even if the logic is that TSP-ians think of non-Muslim Indians as "animals" to be slaughtered that way, such "animals" cannot be eaten - or are they? Traditionally Muslims killed non-Muslim POWs etc by decapitation. The "bleeding" to death method was not common - because it is meant for meat meant for the table.

Actually most such behaviour is reported in Muslim confrontations with non-Muslims on the subcontinent only - especially with TSPians during the '71 war in BD. I don't remember very well early British explorations on cannibalism on the subcontinent - there are some. However this tendency of doing a "jabai" appears to be a hallmark of TSP Muslims - maybe a hidden psychological drive for that ultimate and most primitive of vengeance - eating up ones "hated" enemy!

The Hadiths inevitably describe decapitation of non-Muslims if done on captives.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 20 Sep 2009 20:23

there is an element of ritual in these killings, be it throat slitting or decapitation. its meant to impress those around them and reinforce the messages and inspire fear - killing like animals, etc. 'normal psychos' would just shoot

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 20 Sep 2009 20:39

I think the ritual is more for self rather than for others. The TSP Muslim is so lost for identity, hates his own birth on the subcontinent and feels so unworthy, that the only way for getting any self-esteem is to try and become an Arab follower of Muhammad himself. So by doing such stuff, they relive the glory of "ghazwas" and "jihads" undertaken by the founding fathers in the Arabian peninsuls (or invented for propaganda).

Actually this is a theme that runs through all the Islamist incursions and regimes on the subcontinent. From the Delhi sultanate to the Mughals to the Pakistanis - you can only explain their special "atrocities" by the motivation to emulate the companions of Muhammad as described in the stories. Most people laugh at this because they do not study the Hadith descriptions and compare with actual atrocities undertaken by Islamists on the subcontinent. This is a deep seated need to invent an identity and root that is never acknowledged by the Arabs themselves. So the degrre and order of atrocity goes on increasing in search of perfection.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 20 Sep 2009 20:41

Lalmohan wrote:there is an element of ritual in these killings, be it throat slitting or decapitation. its meant to impress those around them and reinforce the messages and inspire fear - killing like animals, etc. 'normal psychos' would just shoot

'normal psychos'

You are right there sir, Pakis are not human

Stan_Savljevic · Post by **Stan_Savljevic** » 20 Sep 2009 20:45

brihaspati wrote: .Even if the logic is that TSP-ians think of non-Muslim Indians as "animals" to be slaughtered that way, such "animals" cannot be eaten - or are they?

I was reading the book called The Islamist by a former Hizb ut Tahrir guy. Apparently, Hizb's famous call during the Bosnia campaign was the question: Why should Muslims across the world send money to the Bosnian Muslims? It is halaal during war-time to eat human flesh, all that is needed is for more legs in the war-zone.

There was mention of a fatwa making such acts de-rigeur ok. There may be many divisions within Islamist thought with such logic, after all Hizb is very similar to what Al Q thinks (both owe many things to Taqi Nabhani).

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 20 Sep 2009 21:00

AQ Khan exposes Pak's nuke proliferation
20 Sep 2009, 2005 hrs IST

An angry, humiliated and wounded Pakistan's controversial nuclear scientist AQ Khan has finally made public and official what has long been suspected - his nuclear proliferation activities that included exchanging and passing blue-prints and equipment to China, Iran, North Korea, and Libya, which was done at the behest of the Pakistani government and military, and he was forced to take the rap for it.

Khan writes about the Pakistani leadership in a December 2003 letter to his wife Henny that has finally been made public by an interlocutor. The interlocutor is a journalist contact by the name of Siman Henderson. Henderson has now made the letters public.

''The b******* first used us and are now playing dirty games with us. If the government plays any mischief with me take a tough stand. They might try to get rid of me to cover up all the things they got done by me,' Khan writes about the Pakistani leadership. The letter was exposed by Henderson in 'The Sunday Times'.

Describing the four-page letter as ''extraordinary,'' Henderson says in numbered paragraphs, it outlines Pakistans nuclear co-operation with China, Iran and North Korea, and also mentions Libya. Some of the disclosures are stunning, and in one para that is bound to embarrass Beijing, besides implicating it, Khan writes about how Pakistan helped China in enrichment technology in return for bomb blueprints.

'We put up a centrifuge plant at Hanzhong (250km southwest of Xian). The Chinese gave us drawings of the nuclear weapon, gave us 50kg of enriched uranium, gave us 10 tons of UF6 (natural) and 5 tons of UF6 (3%),' Khan writes.

The Pakistani government and the military have repeatedly rejected and challenged court orders to free him, and an episode last month, where Khan was freed just for a day on court orders before Islamabad locked him up again under pressure from Washington, appears to have precipitated the leak of the explosive letter.
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The Sunday Times Link

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 20 Sep 2009 21:15

Stan-ji,
Can you please quote the fatwa/source? It would be most interesting for me to collect. So far as I know, there is no direct prohibition, but indirect prohibition - and implied prohibition. Nothing that eats the flesh of others, can be eaten - that includes any non-vegetarian man. But, preserving life is "faraz" - so whether that takes precedence in case of possibility of death by survival - I don't know. There was a case in Lebanon/Gaza I think - where a cleric apparently sought a fatwa for cannibalism to save lives. The fact that he had to seek a fatwa implies no consensus as yet.

They make a huge propaganda issue out of the crusader's apparent cannibalism of the defeated Islamics during the first crusades.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 20 Sep 2009 21:18

'We put up a centrifuge plant at Hanzhong (250km southwest of Xian). The Chinese gave us drawings of the nuclear weapon, gave us 50kg of enriched uranium, gave us 10 tons of UF6 (natural) and 5 tons of UF6 (3%),' Khan writes.

Why would China need TSP to put up a centrifuge for them? If they are already passing on nuke designs and enriched U!

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 20 Sep 2009 21:53

Seems like chinese got some help from pakistan on this, so does it show the level of tech known how of chinese prior to this

Vivek_A · Post by **Vivek_A** » 20 Sep 2009 22:00

I would take anything written by Hamid Mir with a pinch of salt. Paki jihadi mythology is full of stories of jihadis slitting the heads of Indian army officers.

rajsunder · Post by **rajsunder** » 20 Sep 2009 23:07

brihaspati wrote:^^^Quite confusing! Yes that is the reco way for preparing animals meant for eating, and is basically a copy of "Hebrew" kosher. Even if the logic is that TSP-ians think of non-Muslim Indians as "animals" to be slaughtered that way, such "animals" cannot be eaten - or are they? Traditionally Muslims killed non-Muslim POWs etc by decapitation. The "bleeding" to death method was not common - because it is meant for meat meant for the table.

Actually most such behaviour is reported in Muslim confrontations with non-Muslims on the subcontinent only - especially with TSPians during the '71 war in BD. I don't remember very well early British explorations on cannibalism on the subcontinent - there are some. However this tendency of doing a "jabai" appears to be a hallmark of TSP Muslims - maybe a hidden psychological drive for that ultimate and most primitive of vengeance - eating up ones "hated" enemy!

The Hadiths inevitably describe decapitation of non-Muslims if done on captives.

Bleeding to death was the most common method of killing as per my grand mom who is no more. She witnessed the razakars during Nizams period and as per what she said in her village near the DRDO labs of hyderabad, when razakars used to attack villages(mostly from the nearby barkas town which is a known terrorists adda) they would gang up the males whom they could find and kill them in this fashion in the village square.

rajsunder · Post by **rajsunder** » 20 Sep 2009 23:11

Vivek_A wrote:I would take anything written by Hamid Mir with a pinch of salt. Paki jihadi mythology is full of stories of jihadis slitting the heads of Indian army officers.

On TOI the article talks about photograph of that terrorist holding the head of the officer appearing in some local urdu news papers in pakiland.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 20 Sep 2009 23:15

xpost
In a smuggled letter, AQ Khan reveals his side of the story

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 20 Sep 2009 23:20

brihaspati wrote:Why would China need TSP to put up a centrifuge for them? If they are already passing on nuke designs and enriched U!

This is the distinct impression one gets when following up on the sources referred to in two books. "Shopping for Bombs: Nuclear Proliferation, Global Insecurity and Rise and Fall of AQ Khan" By Gordon Corera. and "America and the Islamic Bomb: The Deadly Compromise" by Armstrong and Trento. I posted reviews in book review dhaaga here. I wrote

An impression given in the book, but not expaned upon (so far) is that the Chinese cooperation could have been extended to also piggyback on the Khan network to procure dual use items for China itself. Giving the chinese plausible deniability about industrial espionage from the west.

The exporting centrifuge to china business seems to involve

1. Pakis hedging the safety of the centrifuge cascade (against american inspectors, SDRE bombing runs) by locating it outside the country
2. a plausible deniability for the cheenis if cheenis proliferate the maal generated by the cascade (UF6 from pakis, enriched using paki cascade in china)
3. Industrial espionage by cheenis to import latest centrifuge technology, and letting the pakis do the dirty work of stealing the design from the west.

In fact, after reading the books and following the sources, the exchanges look far more sinister and more complex than anyone is willing to admit....

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 21 Sep 2009 03:32

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/deann ... -pakistan/

I am a Pakistani and i am 100% agreeing with the book of Mr Singh,Because see statics first.
Pakistan 7th biggest Nuclear Power/India 6th.
Pakistan 5th Biggest defence/India 4th.
PAK best in TELECOM/India in IT.
PAK best in Cricket/India in 2nd.
WE have same food/clothe almost everything.
Religion is not a big deal few bad guys in Gujrat makes trouble all the time, otherwise
we could be Super-power unbeatable and we could have extendede our boundries to Central asia.
This place is rich in Natural recources but need to be managed properly.

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 21 Sep 2009 05:38

Asian gangs in UK 'cash for crash' scam

The title is the usual whitewashing of all subcontinent people as 'asians'. But still the ripe smell of pukis wafts through from the article -

LONDON: Pakistani, Afghan and Bangladeshi criminal gangs in Britain are staging deliberate car accidents in order to claim their victims’ car insurance money, police say.

The modus operandi of the gangs appears to be to move closely in a convoy of two cars — the first car suddenly brakes very hard, as does the second, forcing the targeted victim’s car to crash into the rear of the second car, police said.

vishwakarmaa · Post by **vishwakarmaa** » 21 Sep 2009 05:50

Acharya wrote:I am a Pakistani and i am 100% agreeing with the book of Mr Singh,Because see statics first.
we could be Super-power unbeatable and we could have extendede our boundries to Central asia.
This place is rich in Natural recources but need to be managed properly.

That's why the partition of India was done by britishers.

Goras(USA+EU) will always ensure that Pakistan Army remains alive in one form or another, along with their nuclear deterrent. That will never change. They still fear the consequences. Germany became truly strong and stable only after Berlin wall fell.

Low-intensity, controlled instability and small wars, between India and Pakistan is in American interest. This is what they call "balance of power" in their own subtle terms. Wagah-wall fall is not in Western interest.

Quite interestingly, Americans are now openly putting fire between Pakistan and India by publishing propaganda reports of Indian hands in Baluchistan. MMS is not to be blamed, he is just a puppet. He doesn't control things.

Right now, American administration will do everything possible to strengthen Pakistan army, under the guise of war against Jehadis.

Jaswant Singh's book is a good and sensible move to keep Pakistani aam-Janata tuned to Sub-continent before American funded ISI propaganda worsens the things.

Jinnah is a link between India and Pakistan and it would be better to make a movie on JS's book to spread the message. Its in Indian interests to stop CIA succeed in converting Pakistani aam-aadmi into total Arabs/Saudis.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 21 Sep 2009 06:07

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXhQcdls ... re=related

Zia's video

vishwakarmaa · Post by **vishwakarmaa** » 21 Sep 2009 06:27

shravan wrote: ''The b******* first used us and are now playing dirty games with us. If the government plays any mischief with me take a tough stand. They might try to get rid of me to cover up all the things they got done by me,' Khan writes about the Pakistani leadership. The letter was exposed by Henderson in 'The Sunday Times'.

Nice attempt by Goras to pass the blame on deads(Benezir), who can't answer, while totally giving clean chit to Pakistan Army and western funding(through aids) to Pakistani nuclear programme during 1980's.

That Times article only shows that British and Americans are working closely on supporting Pakistan's nuclear programme and keeping their MuNNa away from International pressure by conducting this AQ Khan drama.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 21 Sep 2009 07:30

Pakistan & Hafeez Saeed
Excerpts

. . .on September 16, police in the Punjab province registered two cases against him in Faisalabad for glorifying and soliciting funds for jihad, unconnected to the Mumbai attacks. . . . But this is the first time Pakistan’s Anti-Terrorism Act has been used against him. At the risk of being accused of bending to Indian pressure, Interior Minister Rehman Malik even announced that Mr. Saeed was under investigation for the 26/11 attacks.

From this there is no need to jump to the conclusion that justice is at last being done. Going by the reported contents of the two First Information Reports, the case against Mr. Saeed seems weak. He has not been arrested yet. The invoked section of the law is meant for organisations proscribed under the terrorism Act, and it is not clear if JuD has been banned at all. {No, JuD is *NOT* officially a banned organization in Pakistan. JuD was put on watch list by Govt. Of Pakistan in Nov. 2003. However, Pakistan has refused to freeze the bank accounts of JuD under UN Resolution 1373 claiming it to be a charity organization. After the UN ban on JuD in 2009, Pakistan simply said that now that the UN had announced the ban, there was no further need for Pakistan to do anything. So, officially JuD is not banned within Pakistan.} The question is whether the FIRs and the announcement that Mr. Saeed is under investigation also for his alleged role in the Mumbai attacks will go any further.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 21 Sep 2009 09:05

As usual, there are huge differences within Pakistan on when exactly is the Eid. The NWFP Government celebrated this a day ahead on Sunday. The rest of Pakistan celebrates it on Monday. Many have suggested that Pakistan should follow Saudi Arabia even if the moon is not sighted within Pakistan.

It is time that the Pakistanis disband the Ruet-e-Hilal committee. Where is the need for one if moon sighting is to be outsourced to the Land of Sands ?

The ulema of Peshawar have celebrated Eid on Sunday while the rest of the country was fasting, an event looked upon with great distaste by Muslims all over the world. In fact the belief is that on Eid only Satan keeps the fast. The NWFP government joined its ulema in making the rest of the country look like the followers of Satan.
The crisis of this Eid has been compounded by the fact that the NWFP government put the country on notice beforehand that it was bound by the “unofficial” moon-sighting of a Peshawar mosque Masjid Qasim Khan, and would defer to the verdict of the ulema of Saudi Arabia who usually issue the edict of Eid a day in advance of the Pakistani Eid. Promptly, the Peshawar mosque ulema declared that moon had been sighted in 44 places in the province on Saturday. The federal Ruet-e-Hilal Committee led by Mufti Munibur Rehman had not even convened yet; and the Mufti lost no time in condemning the NWFP decision to celebrate Eid separately from the rest of the country.

Muslims are more literalist today than in the past. Their reluctance to rely on science has split them globally and, in Pakistan’s case, at the national level. Muslim scientists say they can give a mathematically perfect date of appearance of the Shawwal moon many years in advance. They say Muslim calendars can actually lay down the Eid days accurately. But no one listens to them: the rule is to see the moon with the bare eye. Saudi Arabia might have accepted the scientific view on the quiet, resulting in the strange phenomenon of Pakistan fasting on the day when the entire Arab world and the Muslims of Europe and America were celebrating Eid.

As time passes the thin line of the first-day crescent may not be visible at all because of the pollution that goes up daily and covers the evening sky. We may actually be left quarrelling with each other over something that we can longer see, and not because it is not there.

Meanwhile, Minister for Railways Ghulam Ahmad Bilour said: “We can only be Muslims if we celebrate Eid with Saudi Arabia.” {AoA}
Link

csharma · Post by **csharma** » 21 Sep 2009 09:19

Excellent and detailed write up Vikram Sood on Balochistan.

http://soodvikram.blogspot.com/

Balochistan-Pakistan's Other Colony

India, as the regional power and neighbour, must exhibit this status to secure its national interests. It is only when this is done actively will others learn to respect Indian interests. It cannot sit and watch idly as the others play their role in their national interests because a passive approach or that of conciliation amounts to appeasement in the Pakistani perception. Our national interest demands that we continue to strengthen our relations with Iran and Afghanistan to bypass a permanently hostile Pakistan no matter what it takes. This means that our policies towards Iran and Afghanistan would be determined by our interests first and not by others’ interests.

Vikram is hinting at SeS disaster.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 21 Sep 2009 10:11

Chaudhry Shujaat of PML-Q fame is upset by his new American neighbour

Shujaat was especially upset about his new neighbours, the Americans. The sprawling house adjoining his F-8/3 residence was previously being occupied by a charity run by a business tycoon that recently vacated it for the Americans to move in. This is one of the premises among hundreds (200 plus) that the Americans have of late taken on rent in the federal capital.

The PML-Q chief was not only disturbed for having the Americans as his neighbours, but wanted them to move out of the vicinity. He was troubled to note that the government had succumbed to the Americans and other foreigners, while he had withstood intense pressure as interior minister.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 21 Sep 2009 10:14

Mangal Bagh's threat causes large scale exodus

Large-scale migration of people continued from the troubled Bara subdivision of Khyber Agency on the second consecutive day on Saturday after the announcement of outlawed Lashkar-e-Islam (LI) chief Mangal Bagh, asking the people to leave the area.

Although, no figures are available with the government as none of its agencies are involved in registration of the displaced people or provision of relief, locals said nearly 100,000 individuals had migrated to safer places since the launch of the Operation Bia Daraghlam (Here I Come Again) on September 1.

sanjaychoudhry · Post by **sanjaychoudhry** » 21 Sep 2009 11:07

Meanwhile, Minister for Railways Ghulam Ahmad Bilour said: “We can only be Muslims if we celebrate Eid with Saudi Arabia.”

Yeah.. and send your daughters to harems of old Arabs. That is the true test of a Pakistani Muslim. It is amazing how the converts accept Arabs as the master race, wilfully put themselves in a position of inferiority and spend their whole lives trying to become a caricature of the Arab race, wearing same clothes and trying to learn some words of Arabic language. There is no racial pride left in them. It is total mental debasement. The Arabs, of course, are tickled no end and send even more money next year to convert even more people in every part of the world.

Look at the travesty: Pakistanis in whose land flourished the Indus valley civilisation and Taxila thosuands of years ago, now flattering the Arab race which has absolutely no civilisational achievements worth the name -- all because of the opium of Islam. This behaviour of Pakistanis will continue till they remain determined to begin the history of their land with the arrival of Arab armies from Iraq. How much more would a race fall?

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 21 Sep 2009 11:22

The revelations only confirm what we on BR have been saying for a decade+.

1.That Partition was engineered by the British for strategic purposes,also at the behest of the US post WW2.JS's book reveals how all British Indian Army officers wanted partition and the creation of Pakistan,where they could use the so-called martial races for their future global ends.The handing over of Diego Garcia by the British to the US was the price that Sir Seewoosagar Ramgoolam had to pay to obtain independence from Britain.

2.Having achieved Partition,the west backed military dictatorships in Pak to the hilt against democratic Non-Aligned India during the Cold War,with copious supplies of arms and aid,enabling it to attempt to wrest Kashmir from us in '48 and '65.Having failed in these attempts,Pak tried again in '71 to save its eastern half from seceding,after butchering lakhs of Bengalis in supressing democracy there.The West paid mere lip service to democracy in Pak during these turbulent decades.

3.After the defeat in '71,Pak under Zulfie Bhutto secretly planned to acquire N-weapons to defeat India even before P-1.Using the AQ Khan network and help from China in particular,Pak was able to acquire N-technology,warhead designs,nuclear material for warheads and even missile delivery systems from China.The US did nothing and turned a blind eye to pak's proliferation because of its desire to evict the Soviets from Afghanistan.Under Gen.Zia,Pak planned a diabolic campaign of terror using Khalistanis and Kashmiris,plus mercenaries from Islamic states,in continuous attacks against India.The assassination of Mrs.Gandhi may have been carried out by Khalistanis,but they had a Paki godfather,who met his deserved end!

4.The Paki masterplan to acquire N-weapons and the proliferation of them by Pak with China's blessing,was known all along to the US and the CIA,who did nothing to prevent it,as their relationship with Pak runs very,very deep.The supression of demmocratic India is and has been a major policy of the US since we obtained independence,which fitted in perfectly with Pak and China's strategy.The US embarked upon a China gambit from the days of Nixon and Kissinger,nurtured by Clinton,especially after P-2 with sanctions against India,with the US and China in perfect sync out to "punish" India."Mad Halfbright" and her infamous statement that India had "shot itself in the foot",was really a "foot-in-the-mouth" backfire act by the US,as India weathered the sanction storm and indigenised a lot of defence eqpt. and systems.Our global standing too reached a new high as many nations finally saw us as a responsible nculear power unlike Pak.Despite Pak's tests and proliferation of N-tech through the AQK network and its clandestine ties with "rogue state" NoKo,the US and the west did bu**er all to act against Pak.Their gameplan has been to wrest Pak AND its nukes into the western orbit and for Pak to join NATO.This is something that none of our strategic analysts have understood,which is why the US keeps on allowing Pak to continue its perfidious deeds without even a slap on the wrists.It is only the fear that the ungodly Islamists might obtain some N-tech and even warheads,that worries the US.If you look carefully,the Pak-Saudi axis is what the US wants in the region as its "peacekeepers",not independent India.All the military exercises between the US and India has been meant to seduce India also into joining the western global military alliance.This requires a fig-leaf of a "peace" between India and Pak,with the tilt in any such agreement to be in Pak's favour.

5.The War on Terror has been another lame excuse for the US to squat in the region permanently,using rent-boy Pak and its them military dictator,Gen."Bandicoot" Mush-a-rat as the regional catamite.Despite 26/11 and the avalanche of terror against India,the US is supporting Pak to the hilt with more weapons and aid,despite its own revelations that pak has modified these weapons for use against India.Such US military aid to Pak will never stop as long as the TSP exists and the sooner the leaders of India realsie this,we would've taken the first step on the road to wisdom.

6.As India faces a two-front threat both conventional and strategic forces of Pak and China,the US is trying to box in India through the infamous N-deal,where it is attempting to force a weak and uninspiring Indian leadership to sign the CTBT and the NPT.The US gameplan is to castrate India's independent N-deterrent.In this it is using every means to armtwist India to afix its thumbprint on these insidious documents.

Therefore,India has to realise that it must checkmate the anti-Indian Sino-Pak-US axis ,where each of the three nations wants India to be a eunuch for its own selfish interests.We can do this only be depending upon our own strengths and with the ssistance of those nations who have never let us down.The US's role in this scandalous indifference to global nuclear proliferation,shows that while we can and must defend ourselves againt Pak and China,with friends like the US who needs enemies?

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 21 Sep 2009 14:46

Saudi Arabia frees Pakistanis under arrest in drug case: Rahman Malik

ISLAMABAD: Federal Interior Minister, Rahman Malik disclosed that the Pakistanis, who were arrested sometime ago in drug case in Saudi Arabia, have been set free unconditionally.

Rahman Malik said, “Saudi Arabia is our big brother, our ties would further get strengthened.” Replying to a question, he said that Prince Naif played the key role in getting the accused Pakistanis released.

He said that Syed Sarwat, Safia and other accused involved in drug smuggling case were arrested, while only Tunio was absconding.

vishwakarmaa · Post by **vishwakarmaa** » 21 Sep 2009 17:02

Prem wrote:Qaeda trying to seek N-secrets from Pakistan: Holbrooke
http://www.thepakistaninewspaper.com/ne ... p?id=14595

Holbrooke is ensuring global support for Pakistan Army, by creating fear hysteria among the international community.

Same tactic was used to invade IRaq. There was no Al-qaeda in IRAQ. Saddam was against Al-Qaeda and was infact anti-Pakistani. But now after IRaq war, there is Al-qaeda groups everywhere in Iraq making life hell for innocent Iraqi people.

Same tactic of misleading facts and fear hysteria is being used against IRAN, which is another anti-Pakistan force present in region.

If IRAN came under American control, India will totally depend on Washington for any security or Oil deal in the region.

Today India can buy Iranian oil by printing Rupees and paying in rupees but if IRAN came under USA, dollar will be enforced and Indians will be asked to "earn" dollars and pay in dollars only.

Thats how Dollar power works. And thats the only thing war is about. Dollar gives 'uncontrolled' power to USA. While they print dollars and keep their banks and corporates flooding with no foreign oversight over dollar machine, on other side other countries citizens are working day and night to earn "dollars" so that their countries can buy goods by paying in dollars.

It is in American interests to make sure Rupees doesn't become common currency in sub-continent. When Sri-lanka was coming closer to accepting Indian Rupees as alternative to american dollars, Unkil came in and subverted it through force.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 21 Sep 2009 18:42

Pakistan is going after wrong terrorists, says US

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 21 Sep 2009 20:10

Vivek_A wrote:I would take anything written by Hamid Mir with a pinch of salt. Paki jihadi mythology is full of stories of jihadis slitting the heads of Indian army officers.

Wasn't there some paki that claimed he'd personally cut the head of the "Hindoo General Haman" a few years ago.

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 21 Sep 2009 20:14

So much H&D loss in this article ...

http://www.boston.com/news/world/asia/a ... customers/

As Americans struggle under a mountain of debt, they might be surprised to learn that their collection nightmares may originate in a nation better known for its Taliban insurgency, instability, and extremism. With more economic uncertainty, job losses, and mortgage defaults expected, long-distance arm-twisting has become something of a growth industry in Pakistan.

Best of all, I picked up this story from Fark.com titled as "Pakistani terrorists continue to target Americans"

arun · Post by **arun** » 21 Sep 2009 20:18

X Posted.

More of the usual display of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s duplicitous track record of running with the hares and hunting with the hounds when it comes to terrorism :

Pakistan offensive against Taliban 'failing to target' most dangerous insurgents

Pakistan's offensive against the Taliban has failed to target the insurgent networks posing the greatest danger to Nato forces in Afghanistan, according to America's Ambassador in Islamabad.

By Saeed Shah in Islamabad
Published: 5:00AM BST 21 Sep 2009

Anne Patterson told The Daily Telegraph of Washington's frustration with the "different priorities" of Pakistan's government and how the failure to agree common targets was hampering the struggle against the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Mullah Omar, who created the Taliban movement in the 1990s and led its regime in Kabul between 1996 and 2001, is believed to be based in the Pakistani city of Quetta, where he directs the Afghan insurgency through a group of leaders known as the "Quetta Shura". His most effectively ally is a jihadist network run by Jalaluddin Haqqani, a veteran extremist, and his son Sirajuddin, based in Pakistan's Tribal Area of North Waziristan.

But Pakistan's military offensive has not targeted any of these groups, concentrating instead on the Swat valley in the north-west. Mullah Omar and his allies focus their efforts on Afghanistan and are careful not to make trouble inside Pakistan. This appears to secure their safety.

Ms Patterson said that America and Islamabad agreed on tackling al-Qaeda's core leadership and the Pakistani Taliban. But Pakistan was "certainly reluctant to take action" against leaders of the Afghan insurgency based on its soil.

"Where we differ, of course, is the treatment of the groups who are attacking our troops in Afghanistan. And that comes down to Haqqani and Gul Bahadur and Nazir, to a lesser extent Hekmatyar, and yes of course there are differences there," said Ms. Patterson. "We have a very candid dialogue about this with some frequency."

Gul Bahadur and Maulvi Nazir are Pakistani Taliban commanders who fight only in Afghanistan. Gulbuddin Hekmatyar is a veteran Afghan warlord based close to the Pakistani Border. ................................

Telegraph, UK

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 22 Sep 2009 00:23

Paki chutzpah in this opinion piece from The News is unbeleiveable. Posting in full so that you can share with me the agony of a stomach ulcer after reading this article.
Peace process and 26/11

Monday, September 21, 2009 - A Siddique

Ever since the destruction of the World Trade Center in New York on Sept 11, 2001, terrorism has acquired the status of a regulatory tap that India has compulsively employed to control the ebb and flow of Indo-Pakistani bilateral relations. The strategy has served them well and even after passage of nine years the fervour with which the terror card is being brandished, is manifestation of the Indian faith in this modus operandi. The Mumbai incident of Nov 26 last year has provided India with the latest whipcord to drive the Composite Dialogue Process (CDP) that was initiated in 2004.

Indian home minister Chidambaram recently visited US, promoting the fallacy of Pakistan’s alleged non-cooperation in advancing the investigations related to Mumbai. The centrepiece of his tirade remained the demand for prosecution of Hafiz Muhammad Saeed, the chief of Jamaatud Dawa whom the Indians blame, without providing incriminating evidence, to be the mastermind. Hafiz was arrested by the Pakistani authorities but the case against him was simply untenable for lack of evidence and he was set free by the High Court.

The prospects of picking up threads for taking forward the CDP are already under the shadow of Indian pique over Pakistan’s alleged reluctance to respond to Indian diktat over taking action on “intelligence” contained in the Indian Dossier. Indian foreign minister has made such intent obvious even as the foreign secretaries and the foreign ministers of the two countries prepare to meet on the sidelines of UN General Assembly session in New York during September. “It is an orchestrated voice emanating from Pakistan. They have vested interest in safeguarding Hafiz Saeed. We have no doubt that Saeed is the brain behind the 26/11 attacks and have evidence to prove it,” Indian foreign minister said in an interview. With such implausible rhetoric Krishna has left hardly a doubt that “terrorism,” not reopening the moribund CDP is the centrepiece of the much anticipated diplomatic interaction in New York.

A few points in this context merit consideration.

First, the “evidence” concocted by Indian police and intelligence community, once critically evaluated, falls dismally short in substantiating the vitriolic allegations. India is obsessed with playing the ‘cross-border-terrorism’ card in its coercive diplomatic interaction with Pakistan and its security apparatus is now accustomed to doctoring evidence and conducting fake encounters. 26/11 is no exception. But cooking up “evidence” takes time and leaves behind gaping voids; something that has become the hallmark of all dossiers that India so brazenly shares with Pakistan. It was 40 days after 26/11 that the first dossier reached Pakistan without containing the smoking gun. The contents were so tepid that Prime Minister Gilani commented upon it as containing “information” rather than “evidence.” Nevertheless, Pakistani authorities went along; initiating criminal cases against nine suspects and making six arrests. Thirty questions were initially worked out to seek clarifications from the Indian investigators but the entire exercise, thanks to Indian game of one-upmanship, has been subverted to the farce of a painfully slow ping-pong game. Sixth version of the dossier is now in Pakistan but as the early evaluation indicates nothing substantive has been shared. There is thus enough justification for India to continue haranguing Pakistan for “exporting” terrorism while the charade of dodgy dossiers continues.

Second, the Indian government, in an attempt to draw attention away from the poor quality of its dossiers, has now latched onto to the person of Hafiz Saeed as the villain who bears ultimate responsibility for the gory incident. Indian Home and Foreign Offices are now seized with the issue of projecting the arrest of Saeed and then release by the competent courts in Pakistan thereby circumscribing the agenda of the meeting of the foreign secretaries and ministers of the two countries in New York. Hafiz Saeed was released because the dossiers carried no evidence that could have linked him to 26/11. The evidence that India had passed on gave no proof of his complicity and so was he released. India need to understand that courts give verdicts on basis of evidence and are not moved by political imperatives.

Third, the smokescreen raised by the issue of dossiers and Hafiz Saeed is being used by the establishment in India to stall the dialogue process. This stands in stark contrast with the joint statement issued after the meeting between the two prime ministers at Sharm el-Sheikh on July 16, 2009. “Action on terrorism should not be linked to the Composite Dialogue Process and these should not be bracketed,” it said. Obviously the Indian position has undergone a somersault and India is using the terrorism in Mumbai to push the dialogue process to the sidelines even as it diplomatically engages Pakistan over non-issues such as trumped up allegations of Pakistan’s non-cooperation in Mumbai investigations. Indian foreign minister S Krishna bared this design by declaring that terrorism would remain his focus when he meets Shah Mahmood Qureshi in New York.

Indian longstanding obsession with pretending itself as the victim of terrorism emanating from Pakistan has remained enduring even if its credibility has worn over the years. 26/11 has become the latest excuse for India to avoid any serious diplomatic interaction with Pakistan to resolve long festering issues – including Ksashmir. When this fetish will run its course in India remains uncertain at best. Bilateralism hasn’t worked too well in solving the Indo-Pak problems, it seems.

The writer is a freelance contributor.

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 22 Sep 2009 00:51

A madarassa graduate writing for The News and actually manages to publish his garbage. Posting in full for you to ensoi. The writer is mad about the SDRE bania's offer of sugar at Rs 25/Kg when the TSP SCJ has fixed the price at Rs 40/kg. How dare India offer a cheaper option to the faithfools. Latter portion of this article is about the usual rape and plunder committed by Indian forces in J&K, stealing of water from TSP rivers, 1000 Indian embassies in Afghanistan training the Talibuunies and ofcourse last but not least how India has not yet reconciled itself with TNT.
Neighbour’s dual policy hits common man

Monday, September 21, 2009 - Zafar Alam Sarwar

At first one is surprised but soon starts thinking over what one hears from a large number of people of the twin cities, including experts in economic and defence affairs. The question which follows from the serious thought is: have India’s plans ever been humane and constructive directed towards regional peace, progress and prosperity? Neutral and freedom-loving people of Sri Lanka, Nepal and like developing countries assert that more often than not India’s designs are mischievous, targeting Pakistan and her economy with impact on the socio-economic life of the common man already pressed hard by wheat flour and sugar barons.

An Indian minister tried to take advantage of the artificial sugar shortage created by the cartel of sugar daddies (mill owners in the garb of politicians). He offered sugar to Pakistani consumers at Rs25 per kilo at their doorsteps. Who provided such a golden opportunity to exploit the situation apparently to the benefit of the ordinary citizens of Rawalpindi-Islamabad and other towns but eventually in the interest of a country who has never reconciled to the existence of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan?

The culprits on this side have exposed their mischievous designs themselves by challenging the Lahore High Court decision of fixing the sugar retail price at Rs40 per kilogram. The decision was upheld by the Supreme Court whose three-member bench headed by Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry said the court could never allow a few sugar mills owners to ruin the lives of 160 million people of the country. “Bravo, the independent judiciary!” was the twin-city applause which resounds across the country even to this day.

But the focus of the masses is also on India and her new master whom they regard as covert enemy of the Muslim world, especially Pakistan. Isn’t it necessary to remind the enemies of Pakistan what in good faith the democracy-and-peace-loving founder of Pakistan conveyed to the nations of the world, on various occasions? “Certainly Pakistan will have neighbourly relations with Hindustan like any other two independent national states. We’ll say ‘hands off India’ to all outsiders. Pakistan will not tolerate any outside design or aggression on this sub-continent.”

How the Indian government responded to the 14 October 1944 assurance of Quaid-i-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah after freedom from the British Raj is well known to the world, for instance, occupation of 63% of Jammu and Kashmir by the Indian troops between October and December 1947, with the result that thousands of Kashmiri families were divided and at least 1.5 million Kashmiris today live as refugees in Rawalpindi-Islamabad and other cities of Pakistan; three wars against Pakistan; and export of trained militants and terrorists to Pakistan via Afghanistan in collaboration with the US and Israel. Haven’t such unlawful and inhuman acts of our neighbour violated the UN Charter and caused harm to the economy of a country whose calm and cool poor-friendly architect had told newsmen at New Delhi in November 1946 that the two states, by virtue of contiguity and mutual interest, would be friends and go to each other’s rescue in case of danger.

The Quaid’s goodwill gesture received a bloody answer within a year in shape of arson, loot and massacre of more than a million Muslim men, women and children during the birth of Pakistan. The UK, the US and the UN must not have forgotten this horrid chapter of the sub-continent’s history. The grown-up children of the elders who migrated from across the borders keep fresh in their minds the marks of healed wounds. They are thirsty of water and hungry of fish because the rivers in Pakistan remain dry — India has occupied the catchment area and built dams in violation of agreements. How dual is the character of our neighbour! On one hand, sweet sugar offer and, on the other, snatching water needed for human and animal life.

People have opened their eyes to Indian un-diplomatic exercise in Afghanistan. Reportedly, her consulates are engaged in sponsoring terrorist activities in Rawalpindi-Islamabad and major cities of Pakistan. One is not surprised over the brainwash of some Baloch nationalists and insurgents against Pakistan by the Indian missions in Afghanistan and their agents. The aim is nefarious: to weaken Pakistan and its economy. Pakistan-friendly common literate Afghans confirmed to this columnist the Indo-US nexus actively waging a war on flimsy grounds against the Armed Forces of Pakistan and making a vain attempt to defame the Inter Services Intelligence which is serving the cause of the country in national interest. They enjoy the blessing of Almighty God and support of the masses. The fact of the matter is that they have to defend the homeland by all means.

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Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 22 Sep 2009 01:16

Of course, the kafirs of India have increased the price of sugar in pakistan so that they can sell their own sugar @ Rs 25 / kg

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 22 Sep 2009 01:33

BijuShet wrote:
But the focus of the masses is also on India and her new master whom they regard as covert enemy of the Muslim world, especially Pakistan. Isn’t it necessary to remind the enemies of Pakistan what in good faith the democracy-and-peace-loving founder of Pakistan conveyed to the nations of the world, on various occasions? “Certainly Pakistan will have neighbourly relations with Hindustan like any other two independent national states. We’ll say ‘hands off India’ to all outsiders. Pakistan will not tolerate any outside design or aggression on this sub-continent.”

Jinnah wanted to protect India. What a great leader he was for India.