India-Canada, Mexico and South America: News and Discussion

The Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum is a venue to discuss issues pertaining to India's security environment, her strategic outlook on global affairs and as well as the effect of international relations in the Indian Subcontinent. We request members to kindly stay within the mandate of this forum and keep their exchanges of views, on a civilised level, however vehemently any disagreement may be felt. All feedback regarding forum usage may be sent to the moderators using the Feedback Form or by clicking the Report Post Icon in any objectionable post for proper action. Please note that the views expressed by the Members and Moderators on these discussion boards are that of the individuals only and do not reflect the official policy or view of the Bharat-Rakshak.com Website. Copyright Violation is strictly prohibited and may result in revocation of your posting rights - please read the FAQ for full details. Users must also abide by the Forum Guidelines at all times.
Post Reply
enqyoob
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2658
Joined: 06 Jul 2008 20:25

Re: India-Canada, Mexico and South America: News and Discuss

Post by enqyoob »

Sorry to interject a few simple questions out of curiosity:

1. Has the Canadian government issued visas to ALL the applicants who were denied visas based on their terrorist mofo's actions?

2. Have the terrorist mofos in the Hickistan "High" Commission been declared personae non grata by the GOI and their musharrafs kicked out of India?

3. Has anyone asked whether any terrorists have been convicted and sent to prison by Canada's racist terrorist-supporting "police" for bombing the Air India airliner "Emperor Kanishka" and killing the nearly four hundred innocent humans on board, including some 40+ children?

4. Have the terrorist mofos in the Hickistan "High" commission in India been NAMED, and their photos published, so that the whole world can see and identify them?

If not, how can this be considered "closed"? The only thing that has closed (again) is the one open eye of the GOI (the other eye being closed by the punch that the terrorists have delivered).

Hickistan (wrongly called "canada" which is just the name of the geese *, the smartest beings that come from there) has shown its utter contempt for all international law, and put itself squarely on the side of the terrorists, despite losing the war that they waged against democracies in the 1980s by supporting, sheltering and nurturing the terrorists.



* The geese used to fly all the way down to Florida and fly back every year. These days they have decided to stay in the southern US. Smart creatures. The Winnebagos OTOH still make the full round trip down I-75 and I-95, burning 1 gallons per mile and contributing to Global Warming.
Airavat
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2326
Joined: 29 Jul 2003 11:31
Location: dishum-bishum
Contact:

Re: India-Canada, Mexico and South America: News and Discuss

Post by Airavat »

Brigadier-General Daniel Menard, Canada's top commander in Afghanistan, has been relieved of his duties

Menard joined the Canadian Forces in 1984. In November 2009 he was deployed to Afghanistan as commander of the joint task force. He is married with two children. Chris Lemay, a spokesman for the Canadian Expeditionary Forces Command, said there was evidence a member of the task force and Menard "have had a relationship."

Earlier this week, Menard was fined $3,500 for accidentally firing his rifle twice at the Kandahar airbase on March 25. Instead of putting the C8 carbine rifle into safety mode, he put it into automatic, and it fired twice. The bullets did not hit anyone or damage any equipment
enqyoob
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2658
Joined: 06 Jul 2008 20:25

Re: India-Canada, Mexico and South America: News and Discuss

Post by enqyoob »

Sounds like he had even more trouble with his mijjile than with his automatic rifle. :roll: "Member" of the Task force, hain? With white carnations in the ear?
pgbhat
BRF Oldie
Posts: 4172
Joined: 16 Dec 2008 21:47
Location: Hayden's Ferry

Re: India-Canada, Mexico and South America: News and Discuss

Post by pgbhat »

http://www.hindustantimes.com/americas/ ... 49618.aspx
Even as Canada was mum on the issue, the Canada-India Foundation called the denial of visas to Indian security officials "a systemic anti-India bias by the Canadian bureaucracy." However, it urged India not to react "disproportionately."

The CIF, which serves as an advocacy group for the Indo-Canadian community, said the alleged bias of the Canadian bureaucracy should not be misconstrued as the policy of this country's government.

"The Canadian government is not against India. It wants deeper and better relations with India. But the problem is the bureaucracy which has the old anti-India mindset of 15 or 20 years ago,'' Canada-India Foundation national convener Aditya Jha said.
"Rogue elements" :roll:
Gubmint is trying to distance itself. :rotfl:
Gagan
BRF Oldie
Posts: 11240
Joined: 16 Apr 2008 22:25

Re: India-Canada, Mexico and South America: News and Discuss

Post by Gagan »

Rogue elements hain?

Non State Actors hain ji?

Hmmm, now where have we heard this before? Really GoI has gone back to its slumber, just like the bully who settles matters when his own ego is satisfied, not when the matter is duly settled.

GoI just opened the gates to further mischief in some other way by the canadians. If they had thrown out even one person from the canadian embassy, this problem would have been really really resolved for the forseeable future.

AFAIK, it was non governmental individuals in India's Cricketing circles who brought those cheating Aussies and their protector ICC to its knees. GoI's attitude then was still singing platitudes and asking for piss and tranqulity.
chaanakya
BRF Oldie
Posts: 9513
Joined: 09 Jan 2010 13:30

Re: India-Canada, Mexico and South America: News and Discuss

Post by chaanakya »

Gagan wrote:Rogue elements hain?

Non State Actors hain ji?

Hmmm, now where have we heard this before? Really GoI has gone back to its slumber, just like the bully who settles matters when his own ego is satisfied, not when the matter is duly settled.

GoI just opened the gates to further mischief in some other way by the canadians. If they had thrown out even one person from the canadian embassy, this problem would have been really really resolved for the forseeable future.

AFAIK, it was non governmental individuals in India's Cricketing circles who brought those cheating Aussies and their protector ICC to its knees. GoI's attitude then was still singing platitudes and asking for piss and tranqulity.

Pakis would be banging their head in frustration, why they did not seek advice of canada earlier. They could easily have blamed 26/11 on rogue elements in PA, and would have been much more credible. The least they can do now is to hire few rogue canadians as advisers.Now that pakis are arresting their army personnel on botched NY bombings this could have come in handy.

Seriously speaking, Canada would gain nothing but lose goodwill that common Indian may have, unaware as indics are, by and large, of white men's atrocities on natives of their adopted lands, be it USA, Australia or hind of unkil.
lsunil
BRFite
Posts: 134
Joined: 15 May 2010 12:34

Re: India-Canada, Mexico and South America: News and Discuss

Post by lsunil »

India should translate roots in hindi, marathi, tamil and telugu and air it on every major regional channel. Lets show our stock what the civilized people of the western world did to become successful.
Prem Kumar
BRF Oldie
Posts: 4550
Joined: 31 Mar 2009 00:10

Re: India-Canada, Mexico and South America: News and Discuss

Post by Prem Kumar »

enqyoob ji: welcome back to BRF.

Gagan: I dont think the bully analogy is an accurate one. Its not like India's ego is satisfied & its gone back to sleep. It is a lack of spine & a fear that any more raising of hackles by India might end up in some more slapping by Canada. Its the inferiority complex at play again. Once the gora master has condescended to address our grievances, we bow with gratitude that the poor slave's voice has been heard. Lets go back to our huts now.

Anything less than a tit-for-tat visa denial to Canadians (prominent ones) or sacking of embassy staff (as enqyoob suggests) is shameful.
Singha
BRF Oldie
Posts: 66589
Joined: 13 Aug 2004 19:42
Location: the grasshopper lies heavy

Re: India-Canada, Mexico and South America: News and Discuss

Post by Singha »

there are lots of expats coming to india for work nowadays. India could if desired make life difficult for expats from certain countries.

but in reality there are many more PIOs in canada and relatives going to visit them. the children and relatives of indian executive, judiciary, top armed forces and legislature many are settled in west.

so long as this is the case, even small countries like canada can kick sand in our faces and get away.
Prem Kumar
BRF Oldie
Posts: 4550
Joined: 31 Mar 2009 00:10

Re: India-Canada, Mexico and South America: News and Discuss

Post by Prem Kumar »

Singha wrote:there are lots of expats coming to india for work nowadays. India could if desired make life difficult for expats from certain countries.

but in reality there are many more PIOs in canada and relatives going to visit them. the children and relatives of indian executive, judiciary, top armed forces and legislature many are settled in west.

so long as this is the case, even small countries like canada can kick sand in our faces and get away.
Agreed. But taking a principled stance will imply sacrifices. Sacrifices from common folk like you & me. I live in Massaland and if India decides to do something like this to the U.S and the latter retaliates, I would not mind paying the price for this. Sooner or later, Canada will be forced to change - they will get the message that India is not to be trifled with.
sum
BRF Oldie
Posts: 10205
Joined: 08 May 2007 17:04
Location: (IT-vity && DRDO) nagar

Re: India-Canada, Mexico and South America: News and Discuss

Post by sum »

The only small hope i am having is that SMK is being used like the TSPA uses its civilian govt: to present a "moderate" face to the world.

The babus usually never forget( esp when incidents involve their own) and its just that GoI might be using SMK to say all the right words to the media while the Canadians will be shown their rightful place by the babus in the background..
Gagan
BRF Oldie
Posts: 11240
Joined: 16 Apr 2008 22:25

Re: India-Canada, Mexico and South America: News and Discuss

Post by Gagan »

I think this is the first time that canada has had a run in with India in the 21st century.
The pipsqueaks in europe got a first hand view of big bad India during the nuclear deal. They had to STFU. That was building up for a while.
I remember that there was a wimmen foreign minister of one of these pipsqueaks who had come to nai dilli on a high horse determined to give the injuns a stiff sermon. The moment she landed, she was whisked away to her embassy, and the ambassador brought her up to speed with ground realities - economy size, military power, potential trade etc. She then changed her tone and ended up praising everything she saw.
It seems something similar happened to cowboy bill clinton. During his first presidency, he was, as all democrat presidents are wont to do, doing an == between India and Pakistan. He had even unleashed Robin Raphel on India. But five days in Nai dilli and and india tour cured him of his illusions, and now he's an advocate for better and stronger US India relations.

I will have no issues with a GoI which protects the interests of its citizens, but SM Krishna saying that the matter is closed is wrong.
1. I am sure that the half a dozen odd cases that have come forward are only the tip of the iceburg. There will be more worse cases of abuse coming forward. And our hon'ble minister has already closed the matter. Why? Because like a bully, once his and his government's ego was licked by a few sweet words by the canadian ambassador, he decided in all his wisdom to sell the citizens who voted for him down the river.
2. This is political immaturity of the worst order. When a foreign government is caught with its pants down, you NEVER close the matter. You let thing hang around for a while - 'let them stew in their just juices' so to say, and when the meat is cooked and ready, get the knives out and bargain hard. That sends a message that you are not to be messed with. This is where the chinese score. They NEVER give a firm yes or no for an answer, always give conflicting signals, gives them a lot of room for maneuver, and keeps the videshis on their heels.
Chandragupta
BRF Oldie
Posts: 3469
Joined: 07 Dec 2008 15:26
Location: Kingdom of My Fair Lady

Re: India-Canada, Mexico and South America: News and Discuss

Post by Chandragupta »

This is typical dhimmi behavior. Canada should have been bitchslapped for messing around in such derogatory manner. This underlines the obsession with western boots, that our politicos, barring a few, have had since the independence. We must never upset the white men. I believe this is the hangover from the independence struggle, with all the brown babus who left their balls in Aingland coming to power. But I think its only a matter of time when this changes. When the new breed of political leaders, people born in 70s, 80s, come to power in another 10-15 years hopefully, they will not do with this nonsense and backed with the third largest economy in the world & one of the largest military machines lying at their disposal, I doubt they will tolerate nakhras of these little cretins.
anmol
BRFite
Posts: 1922
Joined: 05 May 2009 17:39

Re: India-Canada, Mexico and South America: News and Discuss

Post by anmol »

I remember that there was a wimmen foreign minister of one of these pipsqueaks who had come to nai dilli on a high horse determined to give the injuns a stiff sermon. The moment she landed, she was whisked away to her embassy, and the ambassador brought her up to speed with ground realities - economy size, military power, potential trade etc. She then changed her tone and ended up praising everything she saw.
Gagan saarji, who was this lady phoren minister ?
Gagan
BRF Oldie
Posts: 11240
Joined: 16 Apr 2008 22:25

Re: India-Canada, Mexico and South America: News and Discuss

Post by Gagan »

I dunno, I read this article in some magazine or read it here on BRF during the days of the 123 nuclear deal.
chaanakya
BRF Oldie
Posts: 9513
Joined: 09 Jan 2010 13:30

Re: India-Canada, Mexico and South America: News and Discuss

Post by chaanakya »

anmol wrote:
I remember that there was a wimmen foreign minister of one of these pipsqueaks who had come to nai dilli on a high horse determined to give the injuns a stiff sermon. The moment she landed, she was whisked away to her embassy, and the ambassador brought her up to speed with ground realities - economy size, military power, potential trade etc. She then changed her tone and ended up praising everything she saw.
Gagan saarji, who was this lady phoren minister ?

I think he is talking abour Ursula Plassnik, Austrian Foreign Minister
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursula_Plassnik
She had visited pagan land on 16th March 2007. She achieved great heights all of 6 feet 3 inches .

Don't know that incident though, if it made any news.

Am I right, Gagan ??
enqyoob
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2658
Joined: 06 Jul 2008 20:25

Re: India-Canada, Mexico and South America: News and Discuss

Post by enqyoob »

The proper response would be to replace the police outside the Hickistan "high" commission with BSF personnel, authorized to strip-search certain officials seeking to enter India from inside the commishun. For India's protection, of course, given that these fellows are clearly demonstrated to be terrorist-supporters.

Maybe get them to do the "rabbit" (no explanation if u don't know what that is 8) )
Sanjay M
BRF Oldie
Posts: 4892
Joined: 02 Nov 2005 14:57

Re: India-Canada, Mexico and South America: News and Discuss

Post by Sanjay M »

Clearly, there are some voices who are unambiguously wanting India singled out for scrutiny:

vina
BRF Oldie
Posts: 6046
Joined: 11 May 2005 06:56
Location: Doing Nijikaran, Udharikaran and Baazarikaran to Commies and Assorted Leftists

Re: India-Canada, Mexico and South America: News and Discuss

Post by vina »

* The geese used to fly all the way down to Florida and fly back every year. These days they have decided to stay in the southern US. Smart creatures. The Winnebagos OTOH still make the full round trip down I-75 and I-95, burning 1 gallons per mile and contributing to Global Warming
Saar, it is difficult to agree with Pat Buchanan on anything, but he was right on the money on "Soviet Canuckistan" . That place is a disgrace, and no one really plays much attention to it, unless it acts up like an arthritic knee or something.

The place has more in common with Pakistan than anything else. The Pakiness extends to wanting a free ride on it's neighbor's coat tails.. It is analogous to this entire "South Asian " thing. Meet someone who talks about "Indo-Pak" or "South Asia" , you have a guaranteed Paki. Likewise, if you meet anyone who talks about something called "North America" , I guarantee that it is a Canadian .
sanjaykumar
BRF Oldie
Posts: 6593
Joined: 16 Oct 2005 05:51

Re: India-Canada, Mexico and South America: News and Discuss

Post by sanjaykumar »

Canada has been very good to Indians especially Hindus and Ismailis (they don't call themselves Indian, however), in general. I have had unlimited opportunities myself.

This is actually a generally very laissez faire society. Sure there is an undercurrent of bias and self-censorship but to compare it to the savagery of Pakistan is beyond the pale. Do you think I would write as I do if I did not live in a country which is free in a very fundamental sense.

They sure are not packing heat to go to the movie theatres here, blacks are not being chained to pickup trucks for a road level tour of the (Mississippi) country side, they stayed out of Iraq-a shockingly decent thing to do. Yes they are in Afghanistan. The only problem I have with that is they should be 200 miles to the east. And yeah they would be okay with a North America but of blue states only.
vina
BRF Oldie
Posts: 6046
Joined: 11 May 2005 06:56
Location: Doing Nijikaran, Udharikaran and Baazarikaran to Commies and Assorted Leftists

Re: India-Canada, Mexico and South America: News and Discuss

Post by vina »

This is actually a generally very laissez faire society. Sure there is an undercurrent of bias and self-censorship but to compare it to the savagery of Pakistan is beyond the pale.
It is comparable to Pakistan because just like Pakistan it is a safe haven for terrorists and is culpable in terrorism directed towards India (it probably is not a direct sponsor and abettor like Pakistan). Isn't that exactly why Pat Buchanan called it "Soviet Canuckistan" esp when the Canadian govt warned it's citizens from lets say "interesting" countries like Iraq, Iran, Syria , Pakistan etc of increased scrutiny at US borders ?.

That it is a "laissez faire" society or other is immaterial (wonder how long it will remain laissez fair if it keeps actively collecting terrorist and extremist nut cases of all stripes actively as it seems to be doing).

For far too long Canada got a free ride from the US . It got industries , markets and employment . Eg. without the US market and US automakers like GM, Ford and Chrysler, Canada wouldnt have an auto industry or most industries for that matter and orders of more Canadians work south of the border in the US all the way from Maine to Florida and Seattle to San Diego and all along the great lakes and midwest belt than other way around.

Like someone said (dont remember who), "Without US, Canada is a Honduras, only less interesting" :rotfl: :rotfl: .

That is exactly why I keep repeating. If Canada goes yip, yip, you kick it and if it barks, wield the stick.
abhischekcc
BRF Oldie
Posts: 4277
Joined: 12 Jul 1999 11:31
Location: If I can’t move the gods, I’ll stir up hell
Contact:

Re: India-Canada, Mexico and South America: News and Discuss

Post by abhischekcc »

Without the vast US drug addict market, where would BC Bud be, eh?
Tanaji
BRF Oldie
Posts: 4978
Joined: 21 Jun 2000 11:31

Re: India-Canada, Mexico and South America: News and Discuss

Post by Tanaji »

It looks as if Mr. Ravi K hasnt found time from his hectic work play schedule to grace us unwashed savages yet...
Mahendra
BRF Oldie
Posts: 4416
Joined: 11 Aug 2007 17:20
Location: Chronicling Bakistan's Tryst with Dysentery

Re: India-Canada, Mexico and South America: News and Discuss

Post by Mahendra »

Tanaji wrote:It looks as if Mr. Ravi K hasnt found time from his hectic work play schedule to grace us unwashed savages yet...
Why would he after everyone here was hell bent upon issuing multiple entry Canadian visa despite Bradmin warnings to the contrary
Purush
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2445
Joined: 26 Oct 2001 11:31
Location: Loc Muinne

Re: India-Canada, Mexico and South America: News and Discuss

Post by Purush »

The rich and glorious traditions of the canadian armed farces.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/05/ ... enard.html
Canadian CO relieved of Kandahar duty
Brig.-Gen. Daniel Ménard has been relieved of command of Canadian troops in Afghanistan following allegations he was involved in an inappropriate personal relationship while in theatre.

Military sources have told CBC News that Ménard, head of Joint Task Force Kandahar, is alleged to have had an affair with a female member of his staff.

The military has strict rules forbidding its personnel from engaging in personal relationships while in theatre. They include relationships of an emotional, romantic or sexual nature.

The Defence Department issued a statement saying only that the decision was made following "allegations concerning Ménard's inappropriate conduct related to the Canadian Forces personal relationships and fraternization directives."

Ménard's spouse also serves in the Forces. :shock:
Earlier this week, Ménard was fined $3,500 — the stiffest fine ever levied on a soldier for mishandling a weapon.

He received the fine after pleading guilty to an offence under the National Defence Act in a court in Gatineau, Que.

The March 25 incident occurred as Ménard and his boss, chief of defence staff Gen. Walt Natynczyk, were about to board a Blackhawk helicopter at Kandahar Airfield.
Jaspreet
BRFite
Posts: 212
Joined: 01 Aug 2004 02:22
Location: Left of centre

Re: India-Canada, Mexico and South America: News and Discuss

Post by Jaspreet »

Canada has been very good to Indians especially Hindus and Ismailis (they don't call themselves Indian, however), in general. I have had unlimited opportunities myself.
I agree. Canada is an allround great country.

Many Ismailis are from Kenya.
Even the Hindu Kenyans I know don't call themselves Indian though they have a profound desire to visit the land of their ancestors.
tejas
BRFite
Posts: 768
Joined: 31 Mar 2008 04:47

Re: India-Canada, Mexico and South America: News and Discuss

Post by tejas »

How's the weather up there ? Ursula Plassnik with Pranab da.

Image
sanjaykumar
BRF Oldie
Posts: 6593
Joined: 16 Oct 2005 05:51

Re: India-Canada, Mexico and South America: News and Discuss

Post by sanjaykumar »

Someone sure has been eating dead cows.
Karan Dixit
BRFite
Posts: 1102
Joined: 23 Mar 2007 02:43
Location: Calcutta

Re: India-Canada, Mexico and South America: News and Discuss

Post by Karan Dixit »

Earlier in the day, Canada has expressed "deep regret" over the language used by its officials in the visa rejection letters to some officials of the Indian defense and security institutions, saying it has "the highest regard for India, its government institutions and processes".

The apology came a day after India had termed as "unacceptable" the denunciation of its security forces and intelligence establishment by Canada and gave Ottawa a week to take corrective action.

http://english.people.com.cn/90001/9077 ... 04491.html
lsunil
BRFite
Posts: 134
Joined: 15 May 2010 12:34

Re: India-Canada, Mexico and South America: News and Discuss

Post by lsunil »

Canada Demands ‘Secret’ Details Before Issuing Visa
Amid the shrill indignation over Canada’s “insults” to Indian security and intelligence personnel, what has got drowned are the actual questions Ottawa has been asking of Indians seeking a visa to visit that country.

The details sought by Canada in its visa form are extremely sensitive in nature. Retired and serving personnel from the armed forces are required to provide specific information on operational details like all past postings, names of units, their locations, detailed duties being performed, and the names of superiors.

Going by military law, these details are classified as “secret” and are not to be shared by the personnel concerned. While these details may not by themselves compromise national security in the normal course, vital facts can easily be meshed together to reveal operational details and roles of units based at sensitive locations.

It is learnt that the matter was first raised by the Defence Ministry close to two years ago after the first cases of visa rejection came to light. The Ministry sent a letter to the Ministry of External Affairs apprising it of its concerns; the practice of seeking sensitive details has, however, continued.

Applicants with a military background, both serving and retired, need to fill a special ‘details of military service’ form. This highly intrusive form asks for the applicant’s past service record, right from the rank and title to the roles the individual performed in the unit. Some of the details sought:
  • What formations or units did you serve with? Where were these formations and units located when you served with them, what were their roles and what was your responsibility? What were the dates that you served with these units and formations?
  • What was the rank, name and position of your immediate superior within the units or formations that you served?
  • What was the rank, name and position of your immediate superior’s commander within those units and formations?
  • Did any units that you were a member of conduct operations against belligerents? If so, when and where did these actions take place? Explain your activities during the operations.
  • Was your unit involved in interrogating prisoners or suspected belligerents? If so, what were the methods of interrogation and what was your role in the interrogation and what line of questioning did you follow?
  • Were you involved in Operation Blue Star?
  • Your duties? You must provide detailed descriptions including involvement in arrests, combat, detention, interrogation and support functions.
The depth of details asked by the Canadian authorities has left officers fuming, even putting off a few from visiting friends and relatives in that country. A retired officer who made the form available to The Indian Express, said that he failed to understand what the Canadian authorities would achieve with such details. “It is not as if they can cross-check the details that have been filled in the application form,” he said.

Retired officers said that Canada has never sought such minute details in the past while accepting applications for visas. “It is only in the past 2-3 years that such a detailed form has been made mandatory by Canada,” said an officer.
AdityaM
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2063
Joined: 30 Sep 2002 11:31
Location: New Delhi

Re: India-Canada, Mexico and South America: News and Discuss

Post by AdityaM »

Anyone knows how many south asians are there in the canadian politcs?
How many Pakistanis and how many khalistanis. Are they having any role in formulating this new policy?
Gagan
BRF Oldie
Posts: 11240
Joined: 16 Apr 2008 22:25

Re: India-Canada, Mexico and South America: News and Discuss

Post by Gagan »

I told you guys, this will have a Khalistani angle.

When I say that GoI acts like a bully, consider this: P Chidambram (I am sure after a green signal from the cabinet) was casually dismissing the CBI cases against Sajjan Kumar, Jagdish Tytler et. al. so that Congress I could give them tickets. (Because these guys usually win their seats).
One sikh journalist expressed his outrage by lobbing his shoe across the table, far from PC. One could hear dimwit babettes in that conference room shouting in condescending voices "What is this"?
The political party in question, got ashamed because there was an upcoming election, and so decided to pursue the cases against these guys. Guess what, these guys are after all guilty as charged all these years.

Now if this isn't the action of a bully then what is? Does the death of a citizen of India account for less than a candidate who'll win a party ticket, no matter what his background is? At least the actions of this party certainly sent that message across.
Gagan
BRF Oldie
Posts: 11240
Joined: 16 Apr 2008 22:25

Re: India-Canada, Mexico and South America: News and Discuss

Post by Gagan »

I don't think it is the Khalistanis outside of India pushing for these regulations. The actions of these governments is equally in step with the khalistanis intentions to embarass India. They are a tag team - the khalistanis and the governments of their adopted countries.

The intention is to create a pressure point on India.

These countries have the most number of expatriate sikhs, a lot of them have emigrated there during the mid 80s when terrorism was at its peak in Punjab. Most of them have cited human rights abuses in India as the reason for seeking asylum there.
Two events specifically triggered this:
1. Operation Bluestar and the anti terror ops by the armed forces, paramilitary forces, and the police in Punjab - which are portrayed as Hindu India attacking the Sikhs' and their holiest shrine.
2. The Anti sikh riots after Indira Gandhi's assassination.

The question really is: Pakistan under Zia and the likes of Hamid Gul etc caused these events. Did India take steps to punish these guys and prevent them from using that experiment elsewhere in India? The answer is NO.
And right after that the Pakistanis turned off the punjab tap, perhaps because they saw that this performa could be more easily applied to J&K citing islam.
The GoI's then quietly sat back and let pakistan indulge in terror that lead to 35-40,000 lives being lost in J&K.

Again today, after Mumbai 26/11, if GoI lets Pakistan off the hook, there is no retribution to the Pakistani armymen who did this, this thing is going to go overboard until India suffers a JDAM attack.
lsunil
BRFite
Posts: 134
Joined: 15 May 2010 12:34

Re: India-Canada, Mexico and South America: News and Discuss

Post by lsunil »

What has this got to do with kashmir? My take on this is that the liberals are scouting around for points to corner india.

What i do not understand is there purpose? What do they want? Does it not know that the party responsible for the sikh massacre is ruling the country right now? That this party has gained a confidence where it can stay in power for a VERY long time simply by switching between regional parties? That india has technically become a single party system?

Does it not know that by finger pointing at the indian security institutions, it only invokes the wrath of the opposition party BJP while the congress doesn't really care.

You actually telling me, canada is oblivious to this simple complexity?
Karan Dixit
BRFite
Posts: 1102
Joined: 23 Mar 2007 02:43
Location: Calcutta

Re: India-Canada, Mexico and South America: News and Discuss

Post by Karan Dixit »

My suggestion would be to keep Sikh grievances out of this thread because pretty soon Punjabi Hindus will start posting their grievances ( like Khalistani Sikhs pulling out train load of Hindus and shooting them in the head, etc. )

No one can go back in time and change those unfortunate events but what we can do is keep our head cool and think like a unified force .
Dhiman
BRFite
Posts: 527
Joined: 29 Nov 2008 13:56

Re: India-Canada, Mexico and South America: News and Discuss

Post by Dhiman »

Karan Dixit wrote: My suggestion would be to keep Sikh grievances out of this thread because pretty soon Punjabi Hindus will start posting their grievances ( like Khalistani Sikhs pulling out train load of Hindus and shooting them in the head, etc. )
I don't think there is any Sikh-vs-Hindu grievance issues here since Sikh's themselves were more frequently targeted by Khalistani groups (at least according to the text I found on the net given below for whatever it is worth):

James M. Lutz (2004). Global Terrorism. Routledge. p. 77. ISBN 0415700507. "The terrorist attacks in Punjab also extended to Sikhs who did not support the guerrilla and terrorist organization and who favored a compromise with the government of India. The targets included family members of Punjab police both Sikhs and Hindus. In fact, by the 1990s the targets of terrorist more frequently included other Sikhs rather than Hindus (Wallace 1995: 355, 399). The leader of the Akali Dal, the large Sikh party favoring 'collaboration' with the government, was one of the casualties. The fact that the terrorist groups had shifted their targets to Sikhs in an effort to mobilize support within their own community was one indication of declining support among the very group that they claimed to represent."
Gagan
BRF Oldie
Posts: 11240
Joined: 16 Apr 2008 22:25

Re: India-Canada, Mexico and South America: News and Discuss

Post by Gagan »

Yes it is a fact.
The khalistanis killed more sikhs and made life hell for them much much more than they killed hindus.
Much like the purelanders are doing these days.

My intention in bringing this up now, is that I have seen sikhs in punjab have since had a closure of sorts with the events of the 80s. There is great shame at what the Khalistanis did. There is recognition and acceptence that these events were very wrong.

Problem is, a new generation has come by, the khalistanis who departed india are now rich and pakistan has made renewed efforts to re-ignite this problem. They tried a few years back, when Bhindrawale's sonny was actually brought back into the akal takth (which was badly damaged during bluestar) and granted a 'siropa' a traditional form of respectful welcome.

Why should canada find the zeal to specifically target sikhs who worked for the government in policing duties is a little clearer.

Another question comes to my mind. Has any other country, specifically the small ouiropean countries, UQ and Australia, indulged in anything that is similar? My instinct tells me, they would surely have tried, and will continue to do so, unless India makes and example of one such country, and throws its weight around the others.
Jaspreet
BRFite
Posts: 212
Joined: 01 Aug 2004 02:22
Location: Left of centre

Re: India-Canada, Mexico and South America: News and Discuss

Post by Jaspreet »

Gagan,
Topic discussed several times in past 10 years.
That's all.
Rony
BRF Oldie
Posts: 3513
Joined: 14 Jul 2006 23:29

Re: India-Canada, Mexico and South America: News and Discuss

Post by Rony »

A Khalistani in Canada is disappointed that Canada apologised to India and starts whining.Predictably, he starts by attacking Ujjal Dosanjh.

And why are the canadian mainstream press giving space to these Khalistanis ?

Politicians repudiate Canadian values over India

Gian Singh Sandhu
Senior Policy Adviser, World Sikh Organization of Canada

In the international uproar over a Canadian immigration officer who denied a visa to a former member of a “notoriously violent” Indian paramilitary force one thing is clear: Some Canadian politicians are working for everyone but Canadians.


Gian Singh Sandhu is the founding president of the World Sikh Organization of Canada
Jaspreet
BRFite
Posts: 212
Joined: 01 Aug 2004 02:22
Location: Left of centre

Re: India-Canada, Mexico and South America: News and Discuss

Post by Jaspreet »

Till yesterday there was no letter from Indian High Commission against the implications and insinuations in this article. I don't know why that is. Perhaps they did that in the past and now have lost interest. Perhaps they think these people aren't worth the bother. But this apathy will cause an ordinary person to believe the anti-India side of the story.
Post Reply