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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010
Here is the full speech. I must say the Hindu report does not really do justice. MMS has covered a wide swathe of areas. PM's ADDRESS TO THE MAJLIS-AL-SHURA After all this is a speech made in KSA...I will cross post some interesting highlights in the West Asia thread
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010
Yes but that is a lot in Pakistan Rupiss - about 1.5 million. BTW Pakrupiss will have a new symbol: "$u$u" - to indicate the value of Pakrupiss - about the same as a bucket of warm piss. The Dollar symbol is an acknowledgment of where it all comes from.ArmenT wrote:Not really. You forget that 10% needs to get his cut first.krishnan wrote:10,000 between 6 cyclists? Thats 1666.6666666666666666666666666667 each
Total prize money = $10,000
Zardari's cut of 10% of the prize money = $1000
Therefore, prize money left for top 6 cyclists = $9000
which works out to a nice round $1500 per cyclist
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010
I vehemently object!
$u$u is the chinese mil doctrine
$u$u is the chinese mil doctrine
SuSu - Art of war
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010
India Prepares for a Two-Front War
Uh-oh. Can't be good if Yindia's warmongering general sahibs can not only steamroll pak without having to get off the couch (a.k.a. cold start), seems they can also apparently effectively stymie cheeni interventionism, land-grab and rampant ransom-ism onlee.
The sub-heading is even more alarmist:
Uh-oh. Can't be good if Yindia's warmongering general sahibs can not only steamroll pak without having to get off the couch (a.k.a. cold start), seems they can also apparently effectively stymie cheeni interventionism, land-grab and rampant ransom-ism onlee.
The sub-heading is even more alarmist:
Seems even unkil may be powerless sooner rather than later to restrain Yindia's storm-breaking vengeance onlee.This isn't just a change in military doctrine—it's a reflection of America's declining power in Asia.
Simultaneously? Really? uh-oh for TSP.There is one country responding to China's military build-up and aggressiveness with some muscle of its own. No, it is not the United States, the superpower ostensibly responsible for maintaining peace and security in Asia. Rather, it is India, whose military is currently refining a "two-front war" doctrine to fend off Pakistan and China simultaneously.
Wow. No wonder paki pants went all warm and moist when Gen Kapoor spoke, routinely, about Cold start.But as China has grown more aggressive, Delhi has begun planning to fight a "two-front war" in case China and Pakistan ally against India. Army Chief of Staff General Deepak Kapoor recently outlined the strategy: Both "fronts"—the northeastern one with China and northwestern one with Pakistan—would receive equal attention. If attacked by Pakistan and China, India will use its new integrated battle groups to deal quick decisive blows against both simultaneously.
The two-front strategy's ambitions go even further: In the long term China is the real focus for Indian strategists. According to local newspapers, Gen. Kapoor told a defense seminar late last year that India's forces will "have to substantially enhance their strategic reach and out-of-area capabilities to protect India's geopolitical interests stretching from the [Persian] Gulf to Malacca Strait" and "to protect our island territories" and assist "the littoral states in the Indian Ocean Region."
Yup. An understanding borne of blood, sweat and tears in 1962. Legend has it that uber WKK-icon JLN himself was shamed into accepting reality.Of course the existence of a new doctrine does not make it an operational reality. But a cursory glance at India's acquisition patterns and strategic moves gives every indication that India is well on its way to implementation. Delhi is buying and deploying sophisticated command, control, communications, computers, intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance networks; supersonic cruise missiles; lightweight towed artillery pieces; and new fighter aircraft with supporting electronic warfare and refueling platforms. India has already bought C-130J aircraft from the U.S. for rapid force deployment. The navy is planning to expand its submarine fleet, to acquire three aircraft carriers, and to deploy them with modernized carrier-based fighter aircraft. In addition India plans to deploy fighters and unmanned aerial vehicles at upgraded bases on the Andaman and Nicobar islands in the eastern Indian Ocean.
India is not looking for a fight with China: It simply understands it is prudent to develop a military that can deter Beijing.
Right. So in the end, the article ends up as another exercise in asking for more US military presence in Asia. More arming of traditional rivals like India and Pak, I guess. And also for continuationb of sanctions against India as well. Not.President Obama's accommodating stance toward China and his apparent lack of interest in cementing partnership with Delhi have focused Indian minds, as have his failure to invest in resources his Pacific commanders need.
While America has a strong interest in sharing the burdens of checking China's expansionism, it should be concerned when its friends react in part to a perception of American weakness and Chinese strength. Ultimately, the U.S. is the only country with the power and resources to reassure its allies they need not engage in costly arms races with China. But first the U.S. must identify Chinese military power for what Asian allies know it to be: a threat to peace in Asia.
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[/quote]SuSu - Art of war
Shiv is right when says it a bucket of warm piss.
My nephew says it when he wants to pee. This is reinforced everyday and night ,travelling , ithyadi. Young SDREs are taught about these nowadays.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010
It must be friendly trend in a dangerous country. must be typo error.abhishek_sharma wrote:http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... -130-hh-04
Deeply concerned over activities of Al Qaeda and Taliban in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia has urged Pakistani leaders to unite to thwart the designs of the extremists.
“Pakistan is a friendly country. Anytime one sees a dangerous trend in a friendly country, one is not only sorry but worried,” Saudi Foreign Minister Saud Al Faisal told Indian journalists after a meeting with visiting Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.


Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010
These are the 5 IC-814 hijackers. Don't see that name heresumshyam wrote:JeM militant involved in Kandahar hijacking arrested in Bangladesh
DHAKA: Top JeM militant Nannu Mia alias Belal Mandol, who claimed to have played a key role in the hijacking of an Indian Airlines plane in 1999 from Kathmandu to Kandahar, has been arrested along with four other militants near the Dhaka College, Bangladeshi officials have said.
Rezwan, 26, of Karachi.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010
Who fired on Qureshi, Hurriyat asked Pakistani Foreign Secretary
Siddharth Varadarajan
New Delhi: The near-fatal shooting of Fazal Haq Qureshi figured prominently in the meeting here between the Hurriyat and the visiting Pakistani Foreign Secretary Salman Bashir last week with the conglomerate blaming Pakistan-based terrorists for the attack on the moderate Kashmiri separatist leader.
Though no group claimed responsibility for the December 2009 shooting outside a mosque in Srinagar, the incident was seen in the valley as a warning to the Hurriyat not to engage in dialogue with the Centre or mainstream Kashmiri parties like the National Conference and People’s Democratic Party.
Mr. Bashir denied the involvement of the Pakistan government or its agencies in the assassination attempt but promised to convey Kashmiri perceptions about the incident back home, The Hindu has learned. The Hurriyat leaders also expressed their unhappiness with what they said were efforts by Islamabad to undermine them by promoting factionalism within the separatist movement.
This factionalism was very much on display at the Pakistan High Commission on February 24 when Mr. Bashir was forced to have three separate back-to-back meetings with the separatists — first with Syed Ali Shah Geelani; then the Hurriyat delegation led by Mirwaiz Omer Farooq, including Bilal Lone and Professor Abdul Ghani Bhat; and finally with Jammu Kashmir Liberation Front leader Yasin Malik.
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Hafiz Saeed provokes India again, calls for jihad
New Delhi, March 1: The mastermind of the Mumbai terror attacks {Thank God for that, the media showing signs of growing a spine finally} in November 2008, Hafiz Mohammed Saeed, has said that Pakistan should wage jihad against India if New Delhi refuses to hold talks on issues like Kashmir and the sharing of river waters.
“Look at India''s attitude, especially after the 9/11 attacks. It has taken advantage of Pakistan''s weaknesses and made dams and stopped our water. Pakistan, for its defence, will have to fight a war at all costs with India if it is not prepared for talks on Kashmir and water,” Saeed said in an interview to Frontline, a private TV channel. {Hmm, very interesting indeed. Hafiz-e-pig is inserting himself into an issue that should be the preserve of the pak government. Is this guy harbouring political ambitions within pakistan or what?}
While pledging to back the Pakistan Army if a war-like situation arises against India, the JuD chief threatened New Delhi by saying that if a war is waged between the two countries, it won’t be limited to Kashmir. {Wonderful! Everyone already knows how powerful the martial pak fauj is really. Now these rag-tag jihadis are going to support the pak fauj. Agree fully - the Pak fauj could use some help from irregulars just about any day}
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Denying his involvement in the Mumbai attacks, Saeed dared India to “prove” charges against him “it in any court,” and he would “accept everything.”
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Saeed, also the founder of the banned Lashkar-e-Taiba, was placed under house arrest in Lahore in December 2008 after the JuD was declared a terrorist group by the UN Security Council in the wake of the Mumbai terror attacks.
He was freed after six months on the orders of the Lahore High Court, and continues to enjoy protection by Pakistani authorities.
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http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... elebrationThe reason for the celebration
By: Moi Ass Niazi
The recent upsurge in them was indeed because Ziaul Haq, that immoderate and benighted man, wanted us to turn away from celebrating national days. But the real mover behind the celebration is the Mughal Emperor Jehangir, who wanted to move away from his father Akbar’s syncretic (and Emperor-centred) Din-e-Ilahi, and thus wanted a substitute for the Nauroze holiday, which represents the beginning of the Iranian New Year, and was a pre-Islamic festival, but which had survived its coming, and continued to be celebrated in all Muslim courts influenced by Persia, such as the Mughal. Jahangir is not given enough credit for his orthodoxy. In fact, the Mughals were all orthodox Muslims, not just Aurangzeb, whose bad press among Hindus has obscured that after Akbar, two generations of very orthodox Muslims intervened before Aurangzeb, who was no rebel, at least not in religion
These are the same voices which saw the recent Indo-Pakistan talks as being beneficial to Pakistan. This was not because Pakistanis could see that the international community, or rather the USA, backed India, but because they were another step in our surrender to Hindu domination, a domination represented by those film songs which come back to us as naats. Somehow, that wasn’t pointed out by the Pakistan delegation during the dialogue-that-wasn’t, as an example of the enlightened moderation we are supposed to practice
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010
Another non-news news posted mostly so that my post count goes up.
Do not go to India: Pak PM tells his Minister
Do not go to India: Pak PM tells his Minister
Islamabad, Feb 28: Pakistan premier Yousuf Raza Gilani has barred Sports Minister Aijaz Hussain Jakhrani from attending the opening ceremony of the hockey World Cup in Delhi tomorrow, according to a media report here.
Jakhrani was scheduled to visit India to attend the opening ceremony of the World Cup and also watch the match between India and Pakistan at the Major Dhyan Chand National Stadium.
Gilani, however, stopped the minister from travelling to India due to "prevailing tension" between the two countries and lack of substantive outcome in the Foreign Secretary-level talks on February 25, official sources were quoted as saying by Dawn news channel.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010
Hmm.Gagan wrote:Another non-news news posted mostly so that my post count goes up.
Do not go to India: Pak PM tells his MinisterIslamabad, Feb 28: Pakistan premier Yousuf Raza Gilani has barred Sports Minister Aijaz Hussain Jakhrani from attending the opening ceremony of the hockey World Cup in Delhi tomorrow, according to a media report here.
Jakhrani was scheduled to visit India to attend the opening ceremony of the World Cup and also watch the match between India and Pakistan at the Major Dhyan Chand National Stadium.
Gilani, however, stopped the minister from travelling to India due to "prevailing tension" between the two countries and lack of substantive outcome in the Foreign Secretary-level talks on February 25, official sources were quoted as saying by Dawn news channel.
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How come Groper doesn't prevent non official terrorists from travelling to India in the atmosphere of "prevailing tension".
I think this atmosphere of prevailing tension is good for India, at least the tax payer need not pay for the halal food and security of the Pacqui retards who come here on government business.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010
The pakis have been really hurt by the IPL snub. Not only are they not allowing official non state actors to visit india, but are also preventing official state actors from doing so.


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Provoke India to do what, exactly?zopag.com wrote:Hafiz Saeed provokes India again, calls for jihad
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From 2009
US gift to Pakistan
By Sultan M Hali
US gift to Pakistan
By Sultan M Hali
Has Pakistan started work on this highway? Or is it all in the fervent imagination of the Wing Commander?Under these circumstances, if the US Government wants to win the hearts and minds of the Pakistani people and shed the stigma of past “betrayals”, it is recommended that the US taxpayers contribute towards the construction of a “Friendship Highway”. This 794 kilometer highway should be from Gwadar to Kandahar and its construction would not only enable transit facility to Afghanistan, logistic support to NATO forces in Afghanistan, but also help the US clear its image that it is opposed to the Chinese help in the construction of the Gwadar Port.
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Isn't Hali, khali? IOW its pipe dream of this windbag. He wants US to pay for connecting the hinterland of the PRC built port!
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Unkil is dumb but aint that dumb to pay for the highway that will be use by PRC
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Gerard wrote:US taxpayers contribute towards the construction of a “Friendship Highway”. This 794 kilometer highway should be from Gwadar to Kandahar

Masterly move by the khans.
I'll bet the money is coming out of the AIDS being given to Pakistan

The money which was released by the US congress to give relief to Pakistan is going to be used to build a Balochistan-Afghanistan highway and is being sold as a 'Friendship' highway by pakistan to the Afghan people.
This is rubbing salt in Pakistani wounds. I'll bet they'll protest vociferously - or they won't.
Tomorrow when Balochistan is going to be free of pakistan, this highway will be very useful to have an oil pipeline next to it, and all monies will flow from Turkmenistan to Afghanistan to Balochistan to the arabian sea and India and the US.
Possible alignment of the road being proposed

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010
Currently the Gawadar-Turbat-Sukkur road is designated the M-8 motorway (In the same series as the M1 and M2 motorway which connect Peshawar-Islamabad and Islamabad-Lahore built by Daewoo)
But the M-8 motorway is a shitty potholed 2 lane road which was meant for the Gawadar - Gilgit - China link to benefit the chinese.
Massa might see advantage in this if it benefits the troops in Afghanistan.
But the M-8 motorway is a shitty potholed 2 lane road which was meant for the Gawadar - Gilgit - China link to benefit the chinese.
Massa might see advantage in this if it benefits the troops in Afghanistan.
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Visited the def forum and the thread about MMS visit to KSA is hilarious. I do not know what the posters their represent, but the Saudis have gone from "Big Brothers" to "hyenas" who are "pagan Quraysh" and "who tried to justify Asabiyyah". There is an entire poem by Md. Iqbal quoted to describe how vile the Saudis truly are.
The secret of the Self is hid, In words "No god but He alone".
The Self is just a dull-edged sword, "No god but He," the grinding stone.
An Abraham by the age is sought To break the idols of this Hall:
The avowal of God's Oneness can Make all these idols headlong fall.
A bargain you have struck for goods Of life, a step, that smacks conceit,
All save the Call "No god but He" Is merely fraught with fraud and deceit.
The worldly wealth and riches too, Ties of blood and friends a dream
The idols wrought by doubts untrue, All save God's Oneness empty seem.
The mind has worn the holy thread Of Time and Space like pagans all
Though Time and Space both illusive "No god but He" is true withal.
These melodious songs are not confined To Time when rose and tulip bloom
Whatever the season of year be "No god but He" must ring till doom.
Many idols are still concealed' In their sleeves by the Faithful Fold,
I am ordained by Mighty God To raise the call and be much bold
I thought I have seen it all, but I underestimated the TSP netizens.
The secret of the Self is hid, In words "No god but He alone".
The Self is just a dull-edged sword, "No god but He," the grinding stone.
An Abraham by the age is sought To break the idols of this Hall:
The avowal of God's Oneness can Make all these idols headlong fall.
A bargain you have struck for goods Of life, a step, that smacks conceit,
All save the Call "No god but He" Is merely fraught with fraud and deceit.
The worldly wealth and riches too, Ties of blood and friends a dream
The idols wrought by doubts untrue, All save God's Oneness empty seem.
The mind has worn the holy thread Of Time and Space like pagans all
Though Time and Space both illusive "No god but He" is true withal.
These melodious songs are not confined To Time when rose and tulip bloom
Whatever the season of year be "No god but He" must ring till doom.
Many idols are still concealed' In their sleeves by the Faithful Fold,
I am ordained by Mighty God To raise the call and be much bold
I thought I have seen it all, but I underestimated the TSP netizens.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010
Dont forget world revolves around paquis. They are the center of attention so anytime KSA,afghan or any other Islamic state wants to have relationship with india they have to get permission from paquis. They are ummah leader.
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I could not find any news on google regarding the work on it. However I did get a couple of them regarding the Gwadar-kandahar highway.
Both were in dec 2009-jan 2010.
Considering the surge in troops and to secure the area around kandahar as per Gen Mcchrystal's recommendtaions
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http://www.opednews.com/articles/Afghan ... 8-123.html
Northern distribution network and Modern silk route.
This report basically wants US to have a preeminent role but have other countries to pitch in money for the development of the oil and gas rich region with Afghanisthan- the cockpit of Asia, a landlocked country but key to transport of resources.
Both were in dec 2009-jan 2010.
Considering the surge in troops and to secure the area around kandahar as per Gen Mcchrystal's recommendtaions
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http://www.opednews.com/articles/Afghan ... 8-123.html
The reason the U.S. is setting its sights on Balochistan and the city of Quetta is that this area has been identified as a key transit corridor for both natural gas and oil. There are plans for two pipelines that would transit through Balochistan; the IPI is the Iran-Pakistan-India pipeline that the U.S. is dead set against because of Iran's involvement. Then there is the U.S. backed TAPI, the Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India pipeline. Unfortunately, the Taliban tribes in Afghanistan are not being cooperative and that's why they must be pacified. This is easier said than done.
China has also been aggressively negotiating to buy natural gas in Central Asia which has just resulted in the commissioning of a 1,833 kilometer pipeline connecting gas fields in Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan. By 2013, the Chinese cities of Shanghai, Guangzhou and Hong Kong will be receiving substantial quantities of gas. This amounts to a resounding defeat for the U.S. whose competitive proposals were rejected.
http://csis.org/files/publication/09121 ... et_Web.pdfAt this point, China is winning the grand chess game because of its apparent ability to use diplomacy in securing critical resources. The danger is that the U.S., rather than using diplomacy, is committed to using military "persuasion" to achieve its objectives. Carrying out such aggressive military policies in a region where four nations with nuclear capabilities -- Russia, China, India and Pakistan -- exist is moving this game into a highly dangerous phase.
Northern distribution network and Modern silk route.
This report basically wants US to have a preeminent role but have other countries to pitch in money for the development of the oil and gas rich region with Afghanisthan- the cockpit of Asia, a landlocked country but key to transport of resources.
The creation of the MSR would also benefit oil, gas, and electricity producers in Central Asia
by undermining Russia’s export monopoly and providing access to eager new markets in China,
India, and Pakistan.
Iran-Afghanistan. This route begins in the Iranian port of Chabahar and enters Afghanistan
at the border town of Zaranj before continuing to the Afghan ring road at Delaram. (India involved in this route)
Ȏ China-Central Asia-Afghanistan. This route originates in China’s Pacific ports and travels to
Central Asia via road and rail lines before entering Afghanistan.
Ȏ China-Pakistan-Afghanistan. A second route beginning in China’s Pacific ports links to
Afghanistan via the Karakorum highway.
Ȏ Pakistan-Afghanistan. This route begins at the Pakistani port of Gwadar and transits Bal-
uchistan before entering Afghanistan.(Gwadar- kandahar falls here)
Ȏ India-Pakistan-Afghanistan. This route starts in India and crosses Pakistan before entering
Afghanistan.(Non starter for forseeable future)
On Gwadar, the interests of the United States, Afghanistan, and Pakistan are aligned. It is past
time to seize this opportunity and open Kandahar to long-distance truck traffic. Gwadar will give
Afghans their best hope of generating legal income through long-distance trade, and it gives Cen-
tral Asians a southern alternative to shipping everything to market through distant Russia. With
Kandahar now in its eye, the United States should plan to build on future success there by making
the opening to Gwadar a high priority. (What about china and its naval ships will be docking at gwadar port![]()
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I get really worried when MMS wants to walk the extra mile. If pakis had any brains they would settle and mms would give them whatever they asked. What mms should say is == walk only
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010
No harm in expressing anxiety - but like I said talk is cheap. MMS can equally easily say "I will hand over Kashmir and Kareena Kapoor if you don't conduct any terror attacks" But what will that statement mean? It will only have the value of a trillion Pakrupiss.Guddu wrote:I get really worried when MMS wants to walk the extra mile. If pakis had any brains they would settle and mms would give them whatever they asked. What mms should say is == walk only
The crap that passes for "leadership" in Pakistan have always given themselves the right to talk bullshit. But on this forum we always get worked up by any statement by Indian netas that step outside the bounds of a narrow path that we call as "Saying the right things" that please us. There is no reason why Indian netas should be restricted from talking crap about Pakistan. Let them say anything they want. It translates to nothing.
In fact look at it in this way:
Imagine an Indian neta "talking tough" on Pakistan. Pakis will only ROTFL and up the ante and have a rant. On the other hand let the Indian neta say things like "I will give you kashmeer. i want piss." etc. This will make Pakis temporarily happy until they realise that they have been suckered and will get nothing,making them rant even more. So why worry. Let Shashi Tharoor loose on these sh1ts.
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VikramS wrote:Visited the def forum and the thread about MMS visit to KSA is hilarious. I do not know what the posters their represent, but the Saudis have gone from "Big Brothers" to "hyenas" who are "pagan Quraysh" and "who tried to justify Asabiyyah". There is an entire poem by Md. Iqbal quoted to describe how vile the Saudis truly are.
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I think that Riaz guy there is definitely a cRaaW agent.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010
Strat reporting on Al-Turkistani who was creating mayhem in Xinjiang province..
"Pakistani intelligence officials and Taliban militant officials said March 1 that Turkistani Islamic Party (TIP) spiritual leader Abdul Haq al-Turkistani was killed in a U.S. unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) missile strike Feb. 15." "Typically, these UAV strikes target al-Qaeda linked militants or others involved in the Afghan and Pakistan Taliban insurgencies. While al-Turkistani is linked to al-Qaeda, he does not fit into the traditional target set established by frequent strikes over the past year. By targeting and eliminating al-Turkistani, the United States appears to have done China a favor — one that likely will be returned."
"Pakistani intelligence officials and Taliban militant officials said March 1 that Turkistani Islamic Party (TIP) spiritual leader Abdul Haq al-Turkistani was killed in a U.S. unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) missile strike Feb. 15." "Typically, these UAV strikes target al-Qaeda linked militants or others involved in the Afghan and Pakistan Taliban insurgencies. While al-Turkistani is linked to al-Qaeda, he does not fit into the traditional target set established by frequent strikes over the past year. By targeting and eliminating al-Turkistani, the United States appears to have done China a favor — one that likely will be returned."
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SSridhar wrote:Interesting Letter in DT

From Bangalore, kerela too!
I say this again, anyone writing in with that name will have his letter published in a pakistani newspaper or at the very least, have that letter read by the editor in chief himself.
I need a new email id to write in too.
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Punjabi Muslims seek local icons
Dulla Bhatti stood up against the imperialist Mughal Empire and played a key role in the resistance against it, which lasted around 20 years and forced Akbar to shift the capital of his empire from Delhi to Lahore in order to counter the guerrilla war Dulla had launched in collaboration with other Rajput and Jutt clans of the area.
However, Dulla remains an unsung hero as our history propagates the Mughal regime as a model Muslim rule in the Subcontinent. The place where Dulla rests pays no tributes to his brave deeds, a simple unadorned grave with no minaret marks the resting place of this ‘unsung hero’.
Dr Mubarak said that another reason to ignore heroes like Dulla Bhatti is that they rebelled against the Mughal Empire, which is widely believed to be a symbol of Islamic Supremacy in the Subcontinent. However, the predominant reason is that they cannot afford to highlight the heroics of anti-imperialist individuals in an environment where people live in extreme disparity. Under the current conditions the authorities, cannot afford to glamourize revolutionaries, he said.
Dulla Bhatti stood up against the imperialist Mughal Empire and played a key role in the resistance against it, which lasted around 20 years and forced Akbar to shift the capital of his empire from Delhi to Lahore in order to counter the guerrilla war Dulla had launched in collaboration with other Rajput and Jutt clans of the area.
However, Dulla remains an unsung hero as our history propagates the Mughal regime as a model Muslim rule in the Subcontinent. The place where Dulla rests pays no tributes to his brave deeds, a simple unadorned grave with no minaret marks the resting place of this ‘unsung hero’.
Dr Mubarak said that another reason to ignore heroes like Dulla Bhatti is that they rebelled against the Mughal Empire, which is widely believed to be a symbol of Islamic Supremacy in the Subcontinent. However, the predominant reason is that they cannot afford to highlight the heroics of anti-imperialist individuals in an environment where people live in extreme disparity. Under the current conditions the authorities, cannot afford to glamourize revolutionaries, he said.
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I am surprised by the content of the letter and its publication.
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The Saudi Doublespeak: Edit in DT
Saudi Foreign Minister Saud Al Faisal made some very
interesting remarks during Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s visit to Saudi Arabia. He said that Pakistan is a “friendly country” and Saudi Arabia was “worried” about the rising tide of extremism there. One would like to remind Prince Faisal as to the role of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia in fuelling religious extremism in Pakistan.
Being the custodian of Islam’s holy places, Saudi Arabia has great reverence in all Muslim countries. Add to it petro-dollars and the ‘reverence’ increases manifold. Pakistan has been a close ally of the Saudis for a long time for both reasons; some say that Zulfikar Ali Bhutto declared Ahmedis non-Muslims at the behest of the Saudis. Whether there is any truth to this cannot be said with certainty, but it is no secret that in order to counter the Soviets during the Afghan war in 1979, General Ziaul Haq got Saudi money to fund madrassas where the ‘mujahideen’ were trained to fight the ‘godless’ communists. Also in the 1980s, both Saudi Arabia and Iran competed for influence in Pakistan. Since a majority of Pakistanis are Sunnis, Saudi influence in the country was stronger, ultimately leading to a virulent Wahabi/Salafist ideology. This brand of Islam is the most rigid one. Not only is there a strong sectarian tinge to this ideology but it also treats the ‘infidels’ with utter contempt. The Taliban are staunch followers of this ‘ideology’.
On the question of the Taliban, the Saudi foreign minister made a great revelation. He said that “our [Saudi Arabia’s] relationship was abrogated when the Taliban gave sanctuary to al Qaeda. Since then and till today we have no relations with Taliban”. This is a post-facto mea culpa, the evidence of which is that in 1996, Osama bin Laden had shifted his base from Sudan to Afghanistan under the Taliban regime. Since only Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and the UAE recognised the Taliban as the legitimate government of Afghanistan, the Saudis were great supporters of the anti-diluvian policies of the Taliban government until September 2001. How is it possible that during all these five years while the Taliban gave sanctuary to bin Laden, the Saudis were unaware of it? Granted that the Saudis may not have been aware of the extent of bin Laden’s global ambitions. But saying that Saudi Arabia severed its ties with the Taliban when they gave sanctuary to al Qaeda is playing with the truth.
Saudi Arabia’s advice to the Pakistani leaders to unite against the extremists is well taken. The Saudis have already dealt with a fundamentalist movement inside the Kingdom either by force or through a rehabilitation programme. By taking a clear 180 degree turn, the Saudis were able to thwart extremism while Pakistan is suffering the consequences of a 90 degree turn. To assuage the Americans, we hunted down al Qaeda but preserved the Afghan Taliban. Now the chickens are coming home to roost. The Pakistanis would do well to learn from their Saudi brethren.
On another note, Manmohan Singh’s visit to Riyadh will ease tensions in the South Asian region and bring India and Pakistan back to a rational dialogue. The Saudis should also exert whatever influence they have on the Taliban to bring them to the negotiating table as per Afghan President Hamid Karzai’s request. Peace in South Asia will ultimately translate into worldwide peace.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010
^ The Pakis are pissed. 

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010
Outcome of an internecine squabble within the PML(N) with Punjab Governor Salman Taseer using his ownership of the Daily Times to take a potshot at his party colleague and Punjab Law Minister Rana Sanaullah?SSridhar wrote:I am surprised by the content of the letter and its publication.SSridhar wrote:Interesting Letter in DT
Anyway clearly those in Bangalore, Kerala are well versed in matters Pakistani.

Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010
Pakistani reaction to the Riyadh decleration:
Naseem Zehra. Marvi menon, Hamid Gul
http://www.liveandreal.com/policy-matte ... -dunya-tv/
Click on the lower screen for the video. Warning possible virus infested site.
Lot of rona dhona
Naseem Zehra. Marvi menon, Hamid Gul
http://www.liveandreal.com/policy-matte ... -dunya-tv/
Click on the lower screen for the video. Warning possible virus infested site.
Lot of rona dhona
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010
Not good for India as it further increases Afghan dependence on the Islamic Republic of Pakistan as a transport corridor. Besides it will increase US dependence on the Islamic Republic of Pakistan to supply US forces in Afghanistan presuming off course that the US will still be around when this highway is completed.Gagan wrote:Gerard wrote:US taxpayers contribute towards the construction of a “Friendship Highway”. This 794 kilometer highway should be from Gwadar to Kandahar![]()
Masterly move by the khans.............. {Snipped}
India has been trying to wean Afghanistan from its dependence on the Islamic Republic of Pakistan by working to build infrastructure for a road via Iran.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010
Saudi connection
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... -230-zj-01
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... -230-zj-01
Saudi Arabia has been in the news lately and much of it for reasons that may unsettle some here. But a closer look at the goings-on and speculation suggests that the perceived ‘negative’ impact on Pakistan may be an exaggeration.
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The Saudis were simply acknowledging an emerging reality: that India is establishing itself as a big regional power, and trade with it is becoming increasingly important for other countries.![]()
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Afghanistan featured only marginally in the talks — the two countries called for the preservation of Afghanistan’s ‘sovereignty and independence’ — though the Indians will almost certainly be hoping that Saudi Arabia will, when the time comes, try and placate Pakistan over India’s future role in Afghanistan. Even so, it seems quite far-fetched that Saudi Arabia will side with India and veto Pakistan on anything to do with Afghanistan. The Saudis know that a period of uncertainty lies ahead for many of the areas they have an interest in, from Iraq to Yemen and Afghanistan to Iran, and they will want to avoid introducing radical new elements in the most stable of their relationships, such as they have with Pakistan.
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The other big speculation doing the rounds is that the Saudis have leaned on Pakistan in recent weeks to move against the Afghan Taliban leaders scattered across the country here.
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Either way, Saudi intervention, if it has in fact occurred, is unlikely to have been decisive.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010
Sirji, in the near and mid term future, there won't be a situation when Afghanistan won't be dependent on Pakistan for imports or access to the sea. All of afghanistan's main cities are bordering the durand line.
The Iranian route will take some time to be an well established route. In comparision, the cross durand route across the khyber pass is one where trade has happened for centuries.
For pakistan, the worrisome aspect would be that the route goes through balochistan purely. Increases american activities there. In spite of all the finger pointing at India with regard to balochistan, pakistan knows that the khan is the one playing the game there. Khan also wants to be there because of Iran.
Of course this will bypass India's route across the zaranj-delaram highway link to the afghan ring road, but not much India can do about it at present. To me it seems, that with the winds blowing hard and fast across the af-pak region, India is again trying not to flow against the wind, but going along with the flow. When a suitable occasion comes up, India will pitch its tent. But this time around, some leverage with the Pashtuns exists in addition to the Northern Alliance should the unexpected happen again.
The Iranian route will take some time to be an well established route. In comparision, the cross durand route across the khyber pass is one where trade has happened for centuries.
For pakistan, the worrisome aspect would be that the route goes through balochistan purely. Increases american activities there. In spite of all the finger pointing at India with regard to balochistan, pakistan knows that the khan is the one playing the game there. Khan also wants to be there because of Iran.
Of course this will bypass India's route across the zaranj-delaram highway link to the afghan ring road, but not much India can do about it at present. To me it seems, that with the winds blowing hard and fast across the af-pak region, India is again trying not to flow against the wind, but going along with the flow. When a suitable occasion comes up, India will pitch its tent. But this time around, some leverage with the Pashtuns exists in addition to the Northern Alliance should the unexpected happen again.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010
The ‘happening place’
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... -place-230
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... -place-230
“PAKISTAN is the most happening place in the world where there is never a dull moment.” So pronounced the Commando to a “packed audience” at Chatham House in London, to much laughter and mirth.
Pakistan is a ‘happening place’ when a women’s bazaar in Peshawar is attacked and over 100 defenceless women and children are blown away to kingdom come? Or when Lahore’s Moon Market is wantonly attacked and over 60 innocents, again mainly women and children, die needlessly and cruelly? Or when an army mosque in the heart of Rawalpindi cantonment is assaulted by people who knew what they were doing, and who identified the children of senior army officers and then brutally killed them? Or and indeed, when a bus full of junior ISI functionaries, clerks and the like is blown up, again in Rawalpindi cantonment?
Ask the mothers and the fathers who have lost their sons and daughters; ask the sisters and brothers and the sons and daughters who have lost their loved ones to this mad orgy of killing ...
Should he not be deeply ashamed of himself for talking so lightly of the hellfire our poor country is passing through?
But wait. Gen Musharraf also said: “I love Pakistan and I would do anything for Pakistan. I took this oath at the Kakul Academy. For Pakistan one would be prepared to do anything.” Hang on a minute. He took an oath at the ‘Kakul Academy’ did he say?
What was the Kakul Academy to him, a man who violated one of the most basic precepts, an almost holy covenant, upon which every military academy is based: that of the honour system? When as a so-called gentleman cadet, he cheated in the nine-mile run and boasted about it in his nonsensical and ludicrous In the line of fire, even the title of which was plagiarised from one of Clint Eastwood’s films of the same name? (Stand up, Humayun Gauhar).
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP), Feb. 26, 2010
Pakistan losing space -More rona dhona
WHILE the Pakistani ruling elite is busy in internecine warfare and embroiled in corruption controversies, it is losing space amongst its old time allies as a result of hard Indian diplomacy. Where once there was almost no Indian presence, today Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s visit to Saudi Arabia has brought into light the shifts taking place in that country’s relations with its south Asian neighbourhood.
However, the new relationship that now seems to be emerging between India and Saudi Arabia has thrown up some new challenges and realities for Pakistan. After all, India has managed to finalise not just an extradition treaty with the Saudis, but also an Agreement on Transfer of Sentenced Prisoners. These would allow India to rescue its citizens under death sentences in Saudi Arabia. How come Pakistan has not been able to get such agreements with Saudi Arabia? We hear of Pakistanis being beheaded frequently in Saudi Arabia and often for crimes which would not carry the same punishment in Pakistan. So, why have we been unsuccessful in getting an agreement on the transfer of sentenced prisoners or have we simply not tried?
Equally important is the Saudi commitment to double the crude oil supply to India and to move towards an energy partnership with India - a major goal of the Indians.
But the timing and the symbolism have caused distress in Pakistan