Re: The Ram Janmbhoomi Verdict: News and Discussion
Posted: 09 Oct 2010 12:35
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J Sudhir Aggrawal
Vol 15
page 3646-3655 ( page 147-156/251) para 3628-3629
http://www.rjbm.nic.in/sa/Judgment%20RJ ... Vol-15.pdf
J Sudhir Aggrawal
Vol 15
page 3646-3655 ( page 147-156/251) para 3628-3629
http://www.rjbm.nic.in/sa/Judgment%20RJ ... Vol-15.pdf
3628. PW-24 Prof. D Mandal retired from the Department of Ancient History and Archaeology, Allahabad University, who was appointed on adhoc basis as Lecturer in 1972 but prior thereto he claimed to have worked as exploration assistant since 1960. Initially he appeared as an expert to depose that there is no archaeological evidence to show either existence of any temple at the disputed site or that a temple was demolished before construction of the disputed structure. The statements made by him in cross examination shows the shallowness of his knowledge in the subject:
So here we have an ardchelogist who did not get any formal grounding in Archaeology , no degree or diploma, never visited the site and drawn conclusions based on his book written on the Bais of a paper of Dr B B Lal and doesn't remember what was written as preface by Romilla Thapar in his book.No wonder he can not tell from the materials recovered during excavation whether they belonged to temple or mosque. How much reliance should be placed on his expert deposition.“I never visited Ayodhya” (E.T.C.)
“I do not have any specific knowledge of history of Babur's reign.” (E.T.C.)
“ Whatsoever little knowledge I have about Babur is only that Babur was the ruler of the 16th century. Except for
this, I do not have any knowledge of Babur.I do not have knowledge of anything in 2nd para of editorial preface to my book (exhibit 63) in which Romila Thapar has written that Vishwa Hindu Parishad, BJP and Rashtriya Swayam Sevak Shangh for the first time raised the issue of the Babri Masjid being located on the place which was earlier Rama's birth place. I also do not know whether or not it is correctly written on page 10 of the afore-said preface that Ayodhya is a site of pilgrimage for adherents of Ramanand school.” (E.T.C.)
“The Communist Party issues a red card, and I am its holder. It is true that I have no faith in religion. A book written by me (exhibit 63) was not written in series; instead, it was published in series. This series is called 'Tracks for the Times Series'. I do not know whether there is any publication, under 'Tracks for the Times Series', which is only for the criticism of religious organizations. It is true that a book titled 'Khaki Shorts and Saffron Flags' has been published under this series, but I have not read this book.” (E.T.C.)
“Hindi translation of faith is 'Aastha'. I have no knowledge of a book 'The Question of Faith' under this very series, nor have I read it. I know under which series the aforesaid book was published. Faith has nothing to do with archaeological history. I do not properly remember that 'Kashmir Towards Emergency' is published or not. I remember names of two members comprising the editorial board of this series, first of them being Prof. Romila Thapar and the other being Sri Niladri Bhattacharya. I do not remember names of the rest of members. It is true that Sarvapalli Gopal ji is also a member of the editorial board of this series.” (E.T.C.)
“I do not know whether Sri S. Gopal is of Communistic thought or not. But Prof. Romila Thapar is influenced by Marxism.” (E.T.C.)
“It is true that Prof.Romila Thapar has written editorial preface to my book (exhibit 63). Prof. Romila Thapar was a professor at Jawahar Lal Nehru University. In this very University was Shereen Ratnagar also, who was a teacher.” (E.T.C.)
“I know Prof. Suraj Bhan to be an archaeologist.”(E.T.C.)
“It is true that I have not seen the disputed building as yet. I did not make any physical investigation of stone used in inscriptions carved out in the disputed building. Likewise, I also did not make physical investigation of basalt stone.” (E.T.C.)3650
“My finding in my book (exhibit 63) is not based only on any article. My finding is based on materials written in
this connection and given in the book(paper no.118C-1/35) filed in Suit No.5/89, and chiefly on the photograph (paper
no.118C-1/36) depicting the excavation undertaken by Prof.B.B.Lal near the Babri Mosque. . . . It is also correct
to say that I drew findings, taking the brief report of B.B.Lal as given in paper no.118C-1/35 (Ram Janm Bhumi: Ayodhya) and the reproduction of the photograph taken by him to be sacrosanct.” (E.T.C.)
“Many of my colleagues inspired me to write the book (exhibit 63).” (E.T.C.)
“ It is also true that I had requested one of them to write an introduction to my book, and the colleague thus requested was Miss Shereen Ratnagar.” (E.T.C.)
“It is correct to say that Laxmi Kant Tiwari, who drew figures for me in my book, went ahead with the drafting as I wished. Laxmi Kant Tiwari was a skilled draftsman.I never even visited Ayodhya.” (E.T.C.)
“The main objective of my research was to see whether there was a temple below the Babri Mosque or not.” (E.T.C.)
“As per my research, initial signs of human population in Ayodhya are found from the 6th -7th century BC.” (E.T.C.)
“I know that there was Islamic population from the 13th century to the 15th - 16th century.” (E.T.C.)
“On the basis of the source material which I used and studied in course of my research, I speak of the disputed structure as Babri Masjid. I did not make any research to see whether it was Babri Mosque inasmuch as it was not a subject of my research. It is correct to say that I took the disputed structure to be Babri Masjid on the basis of that very source material.” (E.T.C.)
“It is correct to say that I term the disputed structure as Babri Mosque on that very source material on which others term it as such. For this very reason I term it as Babri Mosque, otherwise its being Babri Mosque is not a subject of my research.” (E.T.C.)
“It is correct to say that I do not believe those persons who termed the disputed sructure as Rama Janm Bhumi; for this very reason I have not described it as such, and as a matter of fact it was not a subject of my research.”(E.T.C.)
“ Since it was not the issue of my research to see whether these stones can be a part of the Mosque, I did not 3653
make any research on them, and for this very reason I did not make any research to see whether they may be of the
temple. . . . It is true that human figures are engraved on the stones shown in paper nos. 118C-1/44&46.” (E.T.C.)
“The subject of my knowledge is archaeology and my speciality is in field archaeology under it and in stratification method under field archaeology." (E.T.C.)
“I know Prof. Surajbhan to be an archaeologist. He has also deposed in this litigation. I have knowledge of it also.” (E.T.C.)
“ I know Dr. Suvira Jaiswal too. I have talks with her also. . . . . . From her articles it appears that she is influenced by Marxism.” (E.T.C.)
“I know Prof. Romila Thapar too. She is also influenced by Marxism. . . . . .I know Sri R.S.Sharma, B.N.S. Yadav, D.P. Agarwal, S.C. Bhattacharya, N.C. Ghosh and Niladri Bhattacharya and also have talks with them." (E.T.C.)
“Our objective was to study or discover whether there was a temple below the Babri Mosque or not. My objective did not have any relation to the structure above the ground. Whatsoever materials had been discovered by that time was, in my opinion, sufficient to derive a conclusion as to whether there was any temple below the structure or not.” (E.T.C.)
“It is true that by observing materials discovered through excavation I will not be in a position to tell whether there was a temple or a mosque.” (E.T.C.)
“It is true that I am of communistic thought.”(E.T.C.)
“ I have acquired knowledge of archaeology. I did not get any degree or diploma in archaeology.” (E.T.C.)
“As per my study and knowledge, the disputed structure was subsequent to the 12th century AD.”(Page 78)
“The map given in the supplement is, in my opinion, a primary source. I did not enquire as to whether the map given in the supplement is correct or not.” (E.T.C.)
“Primary source of my book is paper no.118C1/36.”(E.T.C.)
3629. A bare perusal of the above makes it clear that he virtually made a critical analysis of the book that is Paper No.118C1/36, a small booklet published by Prof. B.B.Lal and beyond that made no further or other study/research etc.. Only on that basis, he wrote a book, and analyzed the belief of the people whether the disputed structure was constructed after demolishing a temple or that there existed any temple of 11th or 12th century which was demolished before its onstruction. The own admissions and clarification this witness has given, we find that the entire opinion of this witness is short of the requirement under Section 45 of the Evidence Act, 1872 to qualify as an opinion of an Expert which may be considered relevant on a fact in issue, by this Court.