India Nuclear News and Discussion 4 July 2011
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 853698.cms
Is it true? That India has committed to never testing in the future?US put India's N-status more on par with Pak than China
NEW DELHI: The US feels that by signing the civil nuclear deal, India has for all practical purposes chosen to forego future testing but its voluntary moratorium gave it the comfort of not formalizing a commitment never to test.
In a perceptive cable, after the 1998 Pokhran thermonuclear test was run down by a former defence scientist as a "fizzle", US diplomats argued "doubts about India's thermonuclear deterrent thus diminish India's strategic stature - putting it more on par with Pakistan than China - thereby stoking popular perceptions not only of insecurity, but also of inferiority".
The then national security adviser M K Narayanan rubbished the claims of an under-cooked nuclear bomb test.
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^^^ We have not signed any legally binding agreement . We ll test when we need to.
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^^ From the dhaaga on Bharat Karnad's talk at IISc, snippet by BK:
Hmmm....Prof Karnad stated that even went with someone (maybe Mishra or Jaswant Singh or someone - I can't recall) to meet Manmohan Singh. They tried to explain thses things to the man but he totally blanked out. he was not interested or did not understand.
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Sorry for the interruption...
http://iis-db.stanford.edu/pubs/23272/H ... stoday.pdf
Oh wait, that epithet applies only to AK, RC and Sikka. Yeah right, Shahjahan built Taj Mahal. All those hundreds of scientists and engineers who were involved with testing, verification and building the arsenal are incompetent fools. Or so say arm chair specialists who have never touched a nuclear weapon, let alone design one.
KS and his friends are saints. They don't have any agenda. Out of office, they can say self-contradicting crap and will get a free pass.
Never mind, back to scheduled programming...
http://iis-db.stanford.edu/pubs/23272/H ... stoday.pdf
But according to BK and BRF, Indian nuclear scientists are incompetent liars who botched TN weapon.Adventures in scientific nuclear diplomacy
Siegfried S. Hecker
former director of Los Alamos National Laboratory
My visits to India, by contrast, have proved to be quite
productive. Following the “peaceful” nuclear explosion India
conducted in 1974, its nuclear complex was under sanctions
for 34 years, until the US–India nuclear deal in 2008. But over
the past six years, I have made five visits there, traveling to
see the Bhabha Atomic Research Center in Mumbai, which
houses both civilian and weapons research, and the Indira
Gandhi Center for Atomic Research in Kalpakkam, which is
focused primarily on fast reactors. I toured Indian commercial
nuclear reactor facilities and learned about their ambitious
plans for a three-stage nuclear energy program. I found
a superbly trained community of nuclear scientists and engineers
with a passion for nuclear energy—the bomb business
at the laboratories appears to be more of what an Indian colleague
called a “cottage industry.”
Constrained by sanctions, India developed most of its
nuclear energy capabilities indigenously, especially its excellent
nuclear R&D; the extent and functionality of its nuclear
experimental facilities are matched only by those in Russia
and are far ahead of what is left in the US. I believe India has
the most technically ambitious and innovative nuclear energy
program in the world. Our government has been concerned
about leakage of US nuclear technologies to India,
when we should instead be trying to learn from that country.

Oh wait, that epithet applies only to AK, RC and Sikka. Yeah right, Shahjahan built Taj Mahal. All those hundreds of scientists and engineers who were involved with testing, verification and building the arsenal are incompetent fools. Or so say arm chair specialists who have never touched a nuclear weapon, let alone design one.
KS and his friends are saints. They don't have any agenda. Out of office, they can say self-contradicting crap and will get a free pass.
Never mind, back to scheduled programming...
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Sivab, boss, leave it. Waste of time.
Thanx for posting the link, however.
Thanx for posting the link, however.
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The director adds nothing new to the discussion where the weapons program is concerned. It corroborates that the weapons business is not a serious pursuit for the Indian nuclear establishment.
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Speak for yourself dude; how many posters post here on BRF and how many does it take to make it a BRF's pov ?sivab wrote: But according to BK and BRF, Indian nuclear scientists are incompetent liars who botched TN weapon.![]()

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Maybe im wrong but isnt the US prof talking about the civilian side of our Nuclear industry? Where does he talk about how we are progressing with the same zeal in our weaponsiation projects?India developed most of its nuclear energy capabilities indigenously, especially its excellent nuclear R&D; the extent and functionality of its nuclear experimental facilities are matched only by those in Russia and are far ahead of what is left in the US.
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^^^ I doubt the bum facilities were shown to him . If you look at the kind of papers these people publish , you ll surely not need to worry about bum facilities . let the baki's do the worrying part. they are the ones who are likely to face bums of these scientists whose capability exceeds everyone in the world except the Russians.
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Amar Singh has been arrested in the cash for votes scam. Please do not forget that our clean PM staked the government on the IUNCA.
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Crossposting from new MMRCA thread:
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 7#p1160427
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 7#p1160427
Eric Thompson wrote:
Indo-US civil nuclear deal begins to unravel
http://www.domain-b.com/defence/general ... eView.html
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Interesting news items and developments in Switzerland, quite relevant in Indian context and for us to watch and learn...
For those, who don't know, Swiss, in a knee jerk reaction to Fukushima, announced that, they seek to stop all new nuclear reactor construction and ban all nuclear energy generation by 2034 ..
The House of Representatives had agreed, but on Tuesday the Senate Energy Committee modified the proposal, agreeing instead simply to ban the construction of nuclear plants “of the current generation”. (Senate votes at the end of this month )
Meanwhile, buzz is they see future in new generation of nuclear reactors powered by Thorium...
For details see news items such as:
Swiss nuclear future could hinge on thorium
Back and forth in the Swiss nuclear debate
For those, who don't know, Swiss, in a knee jerk reaction to Fukushima, announced that, they seek to stop all new nuclear reactor construction and ban all nuclear energy generation by 2034 ..
The House of Representatives had agreed, but on Tuesday the Senate Energy Committee modified the proposal, agreeing instead simply to ban the construction of nuclear plants “of the current generation”. (Senate votes at the end of this month )
Meanwhile, buzz is they see future in new generation of nuclear reactors powered by Thorium...
For details see news items such as:
Swiss nuclear future could hinge on thorium
or:We are leaving the door open in case new technologies become available in the foreseeable future,
Back and forth in the Swiss nuclear debate
Will be interesting to watch...as general election, takes place on 23 October! With all the campaigning as it will eventually require public referendum.A Senate committee in Switzerland has drafted three new texts on nuclear power policy, all of them explicitly keeping the technology available and banning only 'current generation' designs.
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Also relevant for us and for us to pay attention to (though not much discussion in newspapers but we have good data is available) recent Virginia earthquake and its effects on nearby nuclear plants. (I got a few calls and had some discussion because many of my friends/relatives live in the area)
When/Where: On August 23, 5.8 Magnitude earthquake - Piedmont region of the U.S. East Coast near Mineral, Virginia. (Note: This was an intraplate earthquake the most recent earthquake of larger magnitude to strike anywhere in the U.S. east of the Rockies occurred 114 years ago (one of equal magnitude occurred 67 years ago in upstate New York - slightly smaller one happened around 1983(?) experienced by yours truly
).
The North Anna Nuclear Generation Station, a nuclear plant is located about 11 miles from the epicenter. It automatically shut down both of its reactors as a safety precaution. Off-site power was lost, four on-site diesel generators came on, When one of these generators failed, a fifth backup generator was activated. Off-site power was restored later on the same day. No significant damage occurred. No radioactive material was released.
When/Where: On August 23, 5.8 Magnitude earthquake - Piedmont region of the U.S. East Coast near Mineral, Virginia. (Note: This was an intraplate earthquake the most recent earthquake of larger magnitude to strike anywhere in the U.S. east of the Rockies occurred 114 years ago (one of equal magnitude occurred 67 years ago in upstate New York - slightly smaller one happened around 1983(?) experienced by yours truly

The North Anna Nuclear Generation Station, a nuclear plant is located about 11 miles from the epicenter. It automatically shut down both of its reactors as a safety precaution. Off-site power was lost, four on-site diesel generators came on, When one of these generators failed, a fifth backup generator was activated. Off-site power was restored later on the same day. No significant damage occurred. No radioactive material was released.
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@AmberG ^^^: The 1985 earthquake was a magnitude 4 on Oct 19, 1985. We had just moved to LA from NYC with everyone telling us about CA earthquakes.
Here's a list of NY area earthquakes.:
http://www.ldeo.columbia.edu/LCSN/big-ny-eq.html
Here's a list of NY area earthquakes.:
http://www.ldeo.columbia.edu/LCSN/big-ny-eq.html
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If the Thorium option takes off, India could be a big export winner and the US India nuke deal/NSG waiver could be seen to be a lucky event.
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I was talking about 1983 (see the post) and NOT 1985. This quake was 5.3.. one of the largest in NY's current history (Largest since 1944)Cosmo_R wrote:@AmberG ^^^: The 1985 earthquake was a magnitude 4 on Oct 19, 1985. We had just moved to LA from NYC with everyone telling us about CA earthquakes.
Here's a list of NY area earthquakes.:
http://www.ldeo.columbia.edu/LCSN/big-ny-eq.html
See;http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/ ... _10_07.php
You can see the list, for NY (or any other US site) here:
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/ ... _state.php
I remember the quake quite well, as I was able to compute the direction and distance of the epicenter by noticing time-delay between p-wave and s-wave1884 08 10 - New York City, New York - M 5.5
1944 09 05 - Between Massena, New York and Cornwall, Ontario, Canada - M 5.8
1983 10 07 - Blue Mountain Lake, New York - M 5.3


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http://ibnlive.in.com/news/tamil-nadu-n ... 842-3.html
Koodankulam: The Koodankulam nuclear plant in Tirunelveli, Tamil Nadu was advertised as the answer to crippling power shortages. But villagers from three districts in the State, fearing a nuclear meltdown, are on an indefinite strike with about a 100 on a hunger strike since Monday.
Their one demand - completely shut down the nuclear plant. The protest comes at a time when two of the 1000 megawatt VVER-type reactors are in the final stages of completion.
One of the villagers Sahayiga said, "We don't want the electricity produced from this plant. We want our fertile land. We will not budge from here."
Another villager Joseph said, "After what happened in Fukushima accident all of us know how dangerous this is. We don't want to die like that. People from three districts have assembled here for the past three days, protesting. But the collector has not even come here once. Why?"
Activists say they been wary of the plant ever since its inception.
Anti-nuclear activist S Udayakumar said, "People saw the disaster at Fukushima in their own TV sets and understood that this is not a hypothetical situation, something like this happens we will lose everything. So many other industrialised countries are phasing out nuclear projects."
There is no police presence here at the protest site but they are stationed a few kms away and are not willing to intervene as long as this is a peaceful protest. While the authorities at the Koodankulam nuclear plant have refused to react saying this is a law and order situation and it is upto the state government to handle it.
The protests - which have raised uneasy questions over nuclear safety - have put the government in a tight spot.
Former Governor of India at International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) TP Sreenivasan said, "Koodankulam is very significant for us as this is the first imported nuclear reactor going to be functional. whatever may be the consequences we have to proceed. It is the question of reassuring people, reducing their fears."
This protest is slowly turning out to be a mass movement here at Koodankulam and the government cannot turn a blind eye to it for very long. On the one hand is the nuclear plant in which hundreds of crores of rupees have already been invested and on the other are the growing safety concerns of these villagers.
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Field report on the koodangulam protest
Can raise BP of some jingoes,when one reads names,organisations behind protest.Interesting times ahead.
I dont want to prejudge the issue,being an ignoramus.All stakeholders should be heard and justice rendered and legitimate fears have to be addressed.
Mods delete if you think report is biased.
Can raise BP of some jingoes,when one reads names,organisations behind protest.Interesting times ahead.
I dont want to prejudge the issue,being an ignoramus.All stakeholders should be heard and justice rendered and legitimate fears have to be addressed.
Mods delete if you think report is biased.
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Fukushima's Cesium-137 heading for Indian Ocean:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... Ocean.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... Ocean.html
Radioactive cesium from Fukushima on tour of Pacific Ocean
Radioactive cesium from the crippled Fukushima Dai-Ichi nuclear plant is circulating with the currents in the Pacific Ocean and will wash up on Japan's shores again in between 20 and 30 years.
Scientists from the government's Meteorological Research Institute and the Central Research Institute of the Electric Power Industry announced their findings at a meeting of the Geochemical Society of Japan this week, adding that some of the cesium will also flow into the Indian Ocean and, eventually, reach the Atlantic.
The scientists estimated that some 3,500 terabecquerels of cesium-137 was released into the sea directly from the plant between March 11, when the earthquake and tsunami struck, and the end of May. Another 10,000 terabecquerels of cesium fell into the ocean after escaping from the reactors in the form of steam.
One terabecquerel is a trillion becquerels, the standard measure of radiation, and the Japanese government has set the permissible level of iodine-131 for vegetables and fish at 2,000 becquerels per kilogram (2.2lbs).
Cesium is considered a more serious threat, however, because of its relatively long half-life. Cesium has a half-life of around 30 years, can accumulate in muscles and is a known cause of cancer.
The researchers believe that the cesium has initially dispersed into the Pacific from the coast of Fukushima Prefecture but will be taken to the southwest by the prevailing currents at a depth of around 1,300 feet. Just short of the International Date Line, the shifting currents will take the cesium close to the Philippines before it again turns north on the Japan Current.
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Halt Koodankulam Project: Jayalalitha
It is more political now.
It is more political now.
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^^^
That headline is very misleading. She's not asking to halt the project permanently.
She has only asked for a delay till her ministers can meet the protestors and talk to them. At the very minimum the folks in this area want a realistic evacuation plan with designated land they can move to and take over. Not just some horrific refugee camps. Also the plant needs to take out some manner of insurance to pay for a Fukushima type eventuality. We don't trust the GOI to payout in a clean/timely manner. There are still people waiting in Bhopal for their compensation money. An truly independent monitoring organization with local representatives, either a modified AEC, separate from BARC or something new is required before the plant starts up.
GOI's attitude has always been that we are chaff and too stupid to be told all the details.
That headline is very misleading. She's not asking to halt the project permanently.
She has only asked for a delay till her ministers can meet the protestors and talk to them. At the very minimum the folks in this area want a realistic evacuation plan with designated land they can move to and take over. Not just some horrific refugee camps. Also the plant needs to take out some manner of insurance to pay for a Fukushima type eventuality. We don't trust the GOI to payout in a clean/timely manner. There are still people waiting in Bhopal for their compensation money. An truly independent monitoring organization with local representatives, either a modified AEC, separate from BARC or something new is required before the plant starts up.
GOI's attitude has always been that we are chaff and too stupid to be told all the details.
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Poor PR behind Koodankulam n-power project row ?
I do not think so. The project is about to be commissioned in a few months after being under construction for seven years.
It is the usual lobby against developmental efforts who are instigating the locals. Medha Patkar has now joined the fray. Then there is local politics. Leader of the Opposition in TN assembly (who is also an uncomfortable ally of Ms. Jayalalitha) has also demanded a stop to the project.
I do not think so. The project is about to be commissioned in a few months after being under construction for seven years.
It is the usual lobby against developmental efforts who are instigating the locals. Medha Patkar has now joined the fray. Then there is local politics. Leader of the Opposition in TN assembly (who is also an uncomfortable ally of Ms. Jayalalitha) has also demanded a stop to the project.
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panchayat elections are due in two months. Local politicos are going to sit tight till then.
DAE is distraught. Commercial operations were slated for December. First criticality would have been achieved in October.
Some locals got scared due to steam formation noise in the intake channel during recent hot commissioning trials. Enviro nazis naturally swung by to "increase awareness" about the same.
Chicom is surging forward.
DAE is distraught. Commercial operations were slated for December. First criticality would have been achieved in October.
Some locals got scared due to steam formation noise in the intake channel during recent hot commissioning trials. Enviro nazis naturally swung by to "increase awareness" about the same.
Chicom is surging forward.
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wish these env nazi's could be just put in some concentration camps... I am sure china is behind the whole mess...
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If the locals and by extension, the state government don't want it, then its time to think on how to decommission the project. Luckily it hasn't operated for too long, so will have very little waste to worry about.
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Debate on Times Now.
One lady said, there is no environmental report submitted.
A gentleman replied, it is on the net. Dr. Swamy said, who has asked for the report?
The lady from BJP said New Delhi Govt is not interfacing well to alley fears and thus creates issue.
Dr. Swamy clearly said the issue can be foreign. Especially creating anti nuke-establishment phobia when Thorium cycle research is ongoing. Thorium fobia in full force.
One lady said, there is no environmental report submitted.
A gentleman replied, it is on the net. Dr. Swamy said, who has asked for the report?
The lady from BJP said New Delhi Govt is not interfacing well to alley fears and thus creates issue.
Dr. Swamy clearly said the issue can be foreign. Especially creating anti nuke-establishment phobia when Thorium cycle research is ongoing. Thorium fobia in full force.
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vera_k wrote:If the locals and by extension, the state government don't want it, then its time to think on how to decommission the project. Luckily it hasn't operated for too long, so will have very little waste to worry about.
HUGE MONEY has already been spent..besides what would the env nazis like medha know about power plants...
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The money already spent is a small fraction of what is spent on NREGA every year or what was lost in the 2G scam. Medha Patkar and her associates are not a factor, but when the TN goverment + opposition are making common cause, there is something to the misgivings.
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This particular power plant was originally proposed for Kerala way way back when to help with the crippling power shortages there. Staunch opposition there forced the Government to cast about for a 'pliable' area nearby to stick this project into and still be close to Kerala. The Koorkai coast is easily the poorest and most neglected area of TN. Other than education, colleges and schools there is very little other organized industry in the area. It is a fallacy that there was no opposition. There was tremendous opposition in the beginning, but many community elders sided with the government and believing their promises convinced the locals early on to support the project. These community elders have turned against the project in recent days, esp. due to Fukushima and the AERB's stance that everything is still normal.
- Construction is over and many of the 25,000 local workers are now unemployed.
- Locals are shocked to learn that only about 900 full time workers will be used at the plant or which less than 200 are locals.
- For every long term job created, about 5 to 10 local jobs have been lost and chronic unemployment is even worse than before.
- Every year the fishing exclusion zone widens due to radiation/safety issues and the Fishermen are deeply unhappy.
- Every year the plant is increasing its plans for a wider safety exclusion zone and plans to widen further as new reactors are brought in. Already 4000 or so Acres has been acquired and more is planned every year.
- Too many people live in the danger zone. About 2.5 Million people. There is no long term evacuation plan for these people.
- Most of the agitation funding is coming from the Western side of the Ghats, which is still shaken to find out that a nuclear evacuation zone would almost certainly put them at risk as well. All the way upto & including Thiruvananthapuram. High level winds blow from East to West around here.
- The Russian VVER's are the first 1000 MW reactors the power establishment is operating and from the long long list of reactors spills and accidents in India confidence is low in the AEC.
- The VVER-1000 reactor is 1970's technology. Very very deficient by modern safety standards, esp. with respect to emergency situations.
WRT the environmental report is actually for the third and fourth reactors that are 'proposed' to be built on the same site. That particular environmental legislation Grandfathered in the units 1 &2. The agitations purpose is also to prevent 6 additional units under planning to end up here because the thought was people here are pliable. Spread the risk to more parts of India. Esp. those parts that support Nuclear power.
- Construction is over and many of the 25,000 local workers are now unemployed.
- Locals are shocked to learn that only about 900 full time workers will be used at the plant or which less than 200 are locals.
- For every long term job created, about 5 to 10 local jobs have been lost and chronic unemployment is even worse than before.
- Every year the fishing exclusion zone widens due to radiation/safety issues and the Fishermen are deeply unhappy.
- Every year the plant is increasing its plans for a wider safety exclusion zone and plans to widen further as new reactors are brought in. Already 4000 or so Acres has been acquired and more is planned every year.
- Too many people live in the danger zone. About 2.5 Million people. There is no long term evacuation plan for these people.
- Most of the agitation funding is coming from the Western side of the Ghats, which is still shaken to find out that a nuclear evacuation zone would almost certainly put them at risk as well. All the way upto & including Thiruvananthapuram. High level winds blow from East to West around here.
- The Russian VVER's are the first 1000 MW reactors the power establishment is operating and from the long long list of reactors spills and accidents in India confidence is low in the AEC.
- The VVER-1000 reactor is 1970's technology. Very very deficient by modern safety standards, esp. with respect to emergency situations.
WRT the environmental report is actually for the third and fourth reactors that are 'proposed' to be built on the same site. That particular environmental legislation Grandfathered in the units 1 &2. The agitations purpose is also to prevent 6 additional units under planning to end up here because the thought was people here are pliable. Spread the risk to more parts of India. Esp. those parts that support Nuclear power.
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Cut the bullshit.- The VVER-1000 reactor is 1970's technology. Very very deficient by modern safety standards, esp. with respect to emergency situations.
The VVER -1000 series has gone through several design augmentations since the seventies and the ones built at Kudanakulam are specifically provisioned for dealing with residual heat removal issues.
There are 12 yes i.e correct 12 tanks with boron water for crash cool down besides a passive cooling system (air) based on natural circulation.
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^^^^
Learn to speak with some manners. I don't know you and you don't know me. It is your sort of yelling that has alienated so many people from the nuclear establishment.
Ask yourself this question which people here do ask, "Would this reactor design qualify to be built in Japan?" The answer is No.
Learn to speak with some manners. I don't know you and you don't know me. It is your sort of yelling that has alienated so many people from the nuclear establishment.
Ask yourself this question which people here do ask, "Would this reactor design qualify to be built in Japan?" The answer is No.
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Err no Theo Saar, for Japan the answer is (or used to be) "Yes please, more reactors, more more more..."Theo_Fidel wrote: "Would this reactor design qualify to be built in Japan?" The answer is No.

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Ask and ye shall always find the fine hand of motivated, foreign funded and poisonous NGOs in all nuclear related "protests".SSridhar wrote:Poor PR behind Koodankulam n-power project row ?
I do not think so. The project is about to be commissioned in a few months after being under construction for seven years.
It is the usual lobby against developmental efforts who are instigating the locals. Medha Patkar has now joined the fray. Then there is local politics. Leader of the Opposition in TN assembly (who is also an uncomfortable ally of Ms. Jayalalitha) has also demanded a stop to the project.
Villagers continue to oppose Koodankulam nuclear project in Tamil Nadu
Meanwhile, a five-member committee representing people protesting against the nuclear power project will meet the chief minister on Thursday.
Earlier a 16-member committee that included the three Roman catholic bishops of Thoothukudi, Tirunelveli and Kottar diocese was formed to meet the chief minister at the secretariat in Chennai on Thursday.
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Kindly request you not make such wild allegations without proof. Don't go down that path based on religious labeling, this way lies madness....chetak wrote: Ask and ye shall always find the fine hand of motivated, foreign funded and poisonous NGOs in all nuclear related "protests".
Sanku,
I'm always baffled that the same people who condemn the UPA and its corruption and rail against PSU's find the AEC pure as the driven snow. Despite long evidence of incompetence and failure to perform. Cognitive dissonance if ever there was one. In Japan too despite the numerous warnings issued the failure of Government agency after Government agency the assumption was that the Nuclear establishment was incorruptible and flaw free. Tragically in an emergency the Nuclear authority collapsed.
I have absolutely no doubt that in a true emergency our Nuclear authority will collapse as well. To try and start Koodankulam, which is larger than a dozen of our other plants put together in such an environment is arrogance and overconfidence.
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This is like the pot calling the kettle black. You're the one who began denigrating Homi Bhabha back in late June and early July. Prior to that you suggested using a bucket brigade to cool the Fukishima reactor, then switching to a battery back up system lasting for several hours to days to operate high-current water pumps that run on AC voltage.Theo_Fidel wrote:^^^^
Learn to speak with some manners. I don't know you and you don't know me. It is your sort of yelling that has alienated so many people from the nuclear establishment.
Ask yourself this question which people here do ask, "Would this reactor design qualify to be built in Japan?" The answer is No.

I would suggest you and your friends here advocate nuclear disarmament for the greater good.
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Vijaykanth at Kudankulam. Not sure what his stance is.
http://www.thehindu.com/news/states/tam ... 467517.ece
http://www.thehindu.com/news/states/tam ... 467517.ece
As protests by local residents and activists intensified, Tamil Nadu Chief Minister Jayalalithaa on Monday urged Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to order the halting of the project until concerns and fears about the plant's safety were addressed.
Hours later, Dr. Singh called up Ms. Jayalalithaa and informed her that he was deputing Minister of State in his office V. Narayanasamy to meet the protesters and allay their apprehensions. Over a 100 protesters have been on a fast for the last nine days, voicing fears about the safety of the plant, especially in the light of the Fukushima radiation crisis in Japan in March.
In a letter, the Chief Minister accused the Union government of “abdicating its responsibilities.” She said she would send an all-party delegation, led by Finance Minister O. Panneerselvam along with representatives of the people, to the Prime Minister. She wanted Dr. Singh to send competent authorities to hold discussions with the Kudankulam people and convince them to their satisfaction.
“The last few days have been very agonising for the people of Kudankulam as they are under great apprehension in the wake of the Fukushima disaster and other similar calamities reported in the press. It is only natural that the people living here fear for the safety of their families and for themselves,” Ms. Jayalalithaa said.
In a statement, she appealed to the protesters to give up their fast.
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NDTV discussion on Kudankulam. Renuka & Nirmala go at it hot and heavy! Medha has no standing here other than to promote herself. Wish she would go away.
But G.R.Sreenivasan Ex-AEC made the most telling comment.
As a technical person "..I would never say you don't worry, you worry all the time (about Nuclear power) and keep monitoring for safety."
I think this is the key thing that makes people nervous. The PM has ordered a full review. Why commission before the review is complete.
http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/left-r ... dle/211374
But G.R.Sreenivasan Ex-AEC made the most telling comment.
As a technical person "..I would never say you don't worry, you worry all the time (about Nuclear power) and keep monitoring for safety."
I think this is the key thing that makes people nervous. The PM has ordered a full review. Why commission before the review is complete.
http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/left-r ... dle/211374
Re: India Nuclear News and Discussion 4 July 2011
^^ Is this dharna etc being driven from a certain Khan's Chennai consulate to ensure the Indo-Russian N plans get spiked?