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we are caught in a trap. so far i imagine that the GOI assumes that pain of blasts is lower than other potential pain and so does nothing. if public outrage continues, then the equation changes

I doubt any equation will change since i cant imagine a bigger incident than 26/11 in recent times. ( even JDAM will not cause a change in stance despite all the hot air by GoI)

The only equation that might change would be that if the attacks continue, secular media might more aggressively start showing Hindu terror stories to do == and deflect the anger.

Already, we have started seeing as to how even naming Pak in any post-blasts discussion on any MSM outlet invites ridicule from the panelists/anchor etc.

Lalmohan wrote:we are caught in a trap. so far i imagine that the GOI assumes that pain of blasts is lower than other potential pain and so does nothing. if public outrage continues, then the equation changes

That means, not strengthening intel team or employing Covert Ops? Even without engaging anything on strategic side, Indian can do a lot. Do we have the acumen and will at the helm?

krishnan wrote:Everyone should sue GoI for 10 crores

Then it will be in the interest of GoI to plant a bomb outside the court and stop the case from proceeding.

was watching some Babu RK Singh babbling in press conference the salient points
-the investigation is continuing(i dunno who to thank for this mercy)
-the Centro car from Faridabad is not related to the attack.
-NIA is extremely disappointed by the suspect's sketch released by Dilli polis(his excellency was too busy answering pesky journos to tell how the NIA knew the identity of the miscreants)
- a prize money of Roopiss 5 hundred thousand announced for information (why? i guessed Digvijay singh surely must have received a phone call telling him who the miscreants were, no?)

IMVVHO by this weekend we will have the name of the outfit responsible and no, no prizes for the correct guess.

sum wrote:

we are caught in a trap. so far i imagine that the GOI assumes that pain of blasts is lower than other potential pain and so does nothing. if public outrage continues, then the equation changes

I doubt any equation will change since i cant imagine a bigger incident than 26/11 in recent times. ( even JDAM will not cause a change in stance despite all the hot air by GoI)

The only equation that might change would be that if the attacks continue, secular media might more aggressively start showing Hindu terror stories to do == and deflect the anger.

Already, we have started seeing as to how even naming Pak in any post-blasts discussion on any MSM outlet invites ridicule from the panelists/anchor etc.

They will name Pakistan if someone puts a .338 Lapua Magnum in "her" head. Professional hits with .338 Lapua Magnum can only be done by TFTA across the border na? Hindus are cooker bombs and urea bombs onlee na!

Haven't checked all the pages of this thread yet, but the fundamental question has to be asked: Has MMS claimed to have lost his sleep on this one yet?

TOI is reporting that Another email claiming responsibility for the Delhi high court blast sent to media houses | Email sent by Indian Mujahideen..

Guys, can't help but see the contrast between US & India. Here in US, I can't turn a radio channel or a TV channel without being bombarded with 9/11 replays over and over and over again, the victim stories, you name it. I see these endless sob stories and maacho stories about 9/11 here in US, but little do they realize (except the military, Pentago, CIA, and think tank "experts") that the biggest terrorist perpetrator, TSP, is their all-lie whose suport is bought at the expense of India, and I am supposed to feel emptahy for 9/11. Even for a normal person, the defeaning repitition of 9/11 tragedy is mind numbing, but for a Hindustani at heart like me who knows US perfidy post 9/11, it is sheer revulsion. And the revulsion turns to impotent anger at India's approach to TSP sponsored terror. I mean the squalid cowardly spectacle of harping on "saffron terror" and handing victory to TSP on a silver platter. Hack thoo.

Has B. RamanJi tweeted his latest take on the Delhi blasts?

IM takes onus of Delhi blast; warns of 2nd attack

Delhi blast kal delhi me hue blast me huji ka haath ho hi nahi sakta hai. kyunkiuse hamne anjam diya. hamne pehle se yeh plan banaya tha ki wednesdayke din hi blast karna hai kyunki us din wahan sabse jyada crowd hotihai. ise hamne yani INDIAN MUZAHIDDIN NE ANJAM DIYA HAI. huji ka tohisme dur-dur tak koi wasta nahi hai. hamara agla target jald hi ranglayega jo ek shopping complex ke bahar hoga. use koi nahi rok sakta. aur yeh agle tuesday ko hoga. rok sako toh rok lo. Chotoo (chotu) member INDIAN MUZAHIDDIN.

appeasement of pakistan is being done to placate the US and its greater strategic interest
we have clearly calculated that our longer term strategic interest lies with the US getting its short term strategic interest
that is the break we need to make

Lalmohan wrote:we can assume that 99% of terrorism in india is sponsored one way or the other by pakistan. then investigations will soon lead to that conclusion. if we do then we have to act against pakistan. if we do then we risk a number of possible consequences - some of them unpleasant. almost certainly the US and to some extent china play on this and use it for leverage - not just against us but against pakistan. because the real fight is between the US and China over dominance in Asia, and Pakistan/afghanistan is the battleground. We are caught in the cross-fire.

are we able to stand up over the parapet and dictate our own terms? if no, then presumably we (strategically) have to eat some humble pie (i.e. bomb blasts at regular intervals) until we can take strategic action.

we are caught in a trap. so far i imagine that the GOI assumes that pain of blasts is lower than other potential pain and so does nothing. if public outrage continues, then the equation changes

What about defenses? It is a trap for sure to go offensive.

If we take away politics, going after the internal facilitators and sleeper cells, cleaning up/combing operations should not be any strategic trap. These low end blasts are serious flop show of internal security. From 2004 onwards, other than 26/11 everything is a SIMI/IM sponsored operation. Pak's involvement will always be there but these are mostly operated by local abduls.

If several 26/11 type things happen then India has to go to war with Pak. That was the situation prior to 2003.

ramana wrote:Well Mayawati had enough powers to investigate Varanasi blast. Yet here ATS was clueless and had to bring in folks from other states who idied the IED. The states do not do all that is within their powers.Then to add to confusion center issues alerts and gives inputs like a bystander!

There are problems with the subregional initiatives approach. The local admin is almost always penetrated well and good by the local politico-criminal-mercantile common networks. Therefore most subregional setups of governance are pretty ineffective and cannot take the risks of taking initiatives. Bringing in other outfits is a sign of local ineffectiveness, as well as those who really want things to proceed properly - but cannot do so out of fear - to hedge it against the local political-biz mafia - "look we did nothing - it was outsiders who cam and went after you".

There are also signs that these subregional networks have connected up into mutually beneficial larger national networks - which are more efficient and ruthless than any existing politically driven state admin can be. The latter also overlap with the basically criminal networks. It will be impossible for existing Indian rashtryia apparatus to really overcome such networks.

the internal stuff is incompetent administration, poor governance, and politicians who utterly lack leadership and vision
that is normal for all branches of the state, no?

It is not just incompetence. The local biz-criminal interests penetrate the admin - fear, money, enforced corruption and blackmail. These are now so entrenched that even willing functionaries cannot make appropriate moves.

so as someone said earlier, lokpal II or is it III?

brihaspati wrote:It is not just incompetence. The local biz-criminal interests penetrate the admin - fear, money, enforced corruption and blackmail. These are now so entrenched that even willing functionaries cannot make appropriate moves.

state should have had facilitated the emergence of nationalist crime-networks. More efficient would be religious crime networks. sometimes, I see the point of thugs and chandaals in ancient India controlled by the tantrika school. this might be antithetical to india as a "nation-state" but is it really antithetical to India as a "civilizational state" which exists for protection and expansion of Indic sanskriti?

Remember GP in kolkata riots of 1947?

I think the attack was indeed by IM and the credit was given by Huji to torpedo India-Bangladesh talks. Now that the talks hit a barrier because of the water sharing issue even without the help of this bomb, eye-ass-eye do not want to waste their effort. So credit is given back to IM to boost their street credentials.

Crime is one crucial aspect of a "Rashtra".

To give the analogy of religious symbols, while vishnu and vaishnava accounts for all the "white" stuff going on in society, there are many people with impulses towards actions which may be deemed as threatening or illegal or adharmik. these fringe elements are taken care of by certain shaiva and shakta schools. the sanskritik rashtra of India wrested control over mainstream and fringe.

crime arising out of necessity and poverty is easily taken care of by good governance and effective utilization of carrot and stick.
crime arising out of mentality which derives pleasure from "doing something different" or "breaking rules" cannot be tackled by good governance.
crime arising out of faulty laws can be corrected by means of changing laws and social counselling. eg.smuggling of gold was illegal in independent India. But people have been trading and importing gold for ages in India. due to policy decisions by govt, certain networks and their paths were deemed illegal and branded as smuggling. this gave them incentive to continue trading while avoiding taxes. while they grew powerful and wealthy this way, they found new commodities to trade[like drugs and weapons] using the already perfected means and ways of smuggling less harmful product. the drug traderoute of kabul-karachi-mumbai-vizag-SE asia has been existent for centuries now. one cannot stop it merely by making it illegal. what is law, but a mere sentence, if state isn't ready to enforce it. The biggest and only "gunda" in nation-state has to be the state. But there is no such compulsion on a civilizational state, as long as these fringe elements are kept under the hold of sanskriti. So that their services be used when the time arises, in lieu of certain price.

Remember Gopal Pnatha in kolkata riots of 1947? perhaps chhota rajan was one such experiment. But then, talking about western coast and Mumbai, the indic ganga never grew big enough to rival or hinder the emergence of karim lala, haji-mastan continued as dawood ibrahim. the pujari gang, amar naik, rajendra nikalje (chhota rajan), Arun Gawli, sadamama pawle could never outfight and outgrow lala-mastan-dawood nexus. The only indic criminal who gave them tough fight was varadraajan mudaliar (aka varada bhai OR bada raajan). While he was around, the lala-mastan network did not gain complete control over the crime networks and routes. unfortunately, no indic continued the "legacy" of varadabhai on India's western coast (i.e. controlling Mumbai). If Varadabhai woul dhave been calling shots today, the black money rolling in and out of India through bollywood would not have been used as blatantly against India as it is being done. It becomes more difficult to carry on Jihad against kafirs when kafir criminals are controlling the sea-routes of smuggling.

this has been one of the main deracinations and mistakes of indic society in post independence period. the executive arm of crime market is dominated by ROPers. Why did Indics let go this hold? who asked all of them to be "good boys"?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 84598.html

NEW DELHI – Indian authorities were questioning an Internet cafe owner and two other people Thursday as they scrambled for leads into a powerful briefcase bomb that tore through the crowds outside a New Delhi courthouse, killing 12 people.

One poss, reason for the accelerated terror strikes from the Paki uniformed jihadi masterminds,is that the relationship with the US has gone so sour in recent times,that a serious diversionary operation was needed to bring Uncle Obama back to the bedroom.The first act in this drama was to get India to lower its guard,thus the salacious "houri-with-a-handbag" was sent over to titillate the geriatric Indian ruling elite and getting them to "salute" her! Having accomplished that easy task,the next step to lure Uncle Obama back into the Paki bordello was to engineer a crisis with India which would see India sabre-rattle and justify an exodus of Paki troops now fighting their own jihadi brethren in Af-Pak and re-locate them to the Indian border.

The rising of the nation in indignation against the monumental corruption under Mc Money Singh ,was a window of opportunity to the Paki plotters,who sensed that they could draw upon the anger of the Indian populace yet again....this time through a gruesome terror attack.This has been achieved with not one but two recent terror atacks ,the latest under the very turban of Mouse Mubarak Singh and the dhoti of his "PC"! What has further emboldened the Pakis is that they sense a great opportunity here to wage a sudden war with India and slice off a portion of J&K .with a weakened Mouse Mubarak Singh in terminal decline politically,unable to fight back effectively and lead India as its illustrious forbears did in the past against Pak.Indian military modernisation is yet to make significant strides and is a ta crucial juncture when its air force stength and capability has dropped to its lowest level ever ,the IN possessing a handful of Sea Harriers for its lone vintage carrier,the sub fleet also at its lowest operating capability and is on the verge of receiving its first Akula from Russia.The Army is also in the throes of constabulary duty in J&K fighting "insurgents" and the police forces reeling from successful strikes from the Naxals/Maoists in the India heartland.

If the Pakis mean to strike this is the best time for them.A year or two down the line,we would have the Gorshkov in action,ATV-1 at sea,plus extra SU-30MKIs,a few LCAs,more AEW/AWACS aircraft and the IA with more tactical missiles in its armoury.With Mouse Mubarak Singh genuflecting and kow-towing to the "west",a swift cease-fire will be thrust upon a bleeding nation,with MMS and the UPA succumbing to all manner of threats.A year or two down the line and Mouse Mubarak Singh will certainly be a footnote in India's history too!

given the turning tide in US-Pak relations, it is possible that the next Indo-Pak war might see unkil allowing india to bring it to a quick conclusion and not hold pak's handbag during the fight. the only hope for Pak is PRC

Check mate PRC.. send the rose petals bouquet to mongolia and friends. Tajikistan base strengthened with sukhoi team, and surround with shourya ++ 3k walas.

Increase military ties with taiwan. Build better base along the border, and get ready to finish them off.. you are ready now or perish to these routing attacks.

Fk! they attack the nerve of democracy - parliament and court system, and we are not discussing about war.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-14832752

Police in Indian-administered Kashmir have detained the owner of a cyber cafe in connection with Wednesday's bomb attack in the Indian capital, Delhi.

An email reportedly sent by the radical group Harkat-ul Jihad al-Islami (Huji) claiming it planted the bomb has been traced to the cyber cafe.

The police on Thursday said they had detained for questioning Mehmood Aziz, owner of a cyber cafe in the Kishtwar area in Indian-administered Kashmir from where the email was generated on Wednesday afternoon.

The email reportedly demands that a man sentenced to death for involvement in an attack on the Indian parliament 10 years ago should not be hanged.

'Too early'
Mr Aziz had not kept a record of customers visiting the cyber cafe, a police official told the BBC.

Mr Aziz told the police that a majority of his clients were college students and that a "student with a backpack" had come to the cyber cafe on Wednesday.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/09/world ... ml?_r=1&hp

The police questioned three people on Thursday in connection with a deadly bombing that struck New Delhi’s High Court, Indian media reported.

Investigators arrested the three at a cyber cafe in the state of Jammu and Kashmir, according to local media reports. The arrests are apparently connected to e-mails believed to have been sent by the militant terrorist group HuJI, or Harkat-ul-Jihad-al-Islami, claiming responsibility for the Wednesday blast.

OT - Notice the difference between the BBC and NYTimes in how they refer to Kashmir...

Congress now boycotting tv debates on the 'security' issue. They're even ignoring their friends at NDTV.

the BBC report is most likely compiled by their kashmir correspondent
the NYT report cites "local media reports" - which if they are Indian is going to say "J&K"

Rediff-why this attack is a work of IM and not HuJI http://www.rediff.com/news/report/why-i ... 110908.htm

But when it comes to Wednesday's Delhi high court blast, insiders say the possibility of IM being behind the attack is more that the HuJI, as the former has more hatred towards the capital following the Batla House encounter. The 2008 incident against suspected IM terrorists by the Delhi police is often used to whip up sentiments and recruit cadres. Since then the outfit is always looking for an opportunity to embarrass the police force. For the IM, the encounter is a bigger incident than the Babri Masjid [ Images ] demolition or the Godhra riots.

Moreover, the IM is upset with the ban and blames the judiciary for it and hence could have a possible interest in attacking the Delhi high court.

As far as the operations of the HuJI are concerned, it works more as the sister concern for the Lashkar-e-Tayiba [ Images ]. The LeT is trying to spread its network across the globe and is slowly handling over its operations in India to HuJI.

If one were to analyse HuJI's interest in the Delhi attack it would be in connection to the Kashmir [ Images ] issue. The mail sent by the outfit clearly states that Afzal Guru's death sentence should be repealed immediately and they warned of more attacks on high courts and the Supreme Court. The hanging of the Parliament attacker is a sentimental issue in the Valley.

Reports by both the army and the IB suggest that terror groups have managed to ride on the sentiments of locals as far as the Afzal Guru issue is concerned. The HuJI, which is planning to take over from the LeT, is could have possibly looked at making a start in Kashmir by winning over the public, say insiders.

The HuJI clearly emerges as a stronger group and the Delhi attack is too small an operation to be undertaken by them. Moreover, their leader Ilyas Kashmiri is not a man who will involve himself in an attack so small in nature.

The IB points out that this could be either a hurried operation or an attack just to test the waters. Groups such as the HuJI would ideally like to attack bigger establishments such as embassies and would ensure that the casualties are huge. Moreover, they have been training fidayeen-style attacks not bombings.

The Delhi attack is therefore more likely to be carried out by the IM. The hand of self-motivated cadres who are on the loose cannot be ruled out. Unlike the HuJI they are not capable of carrying out a fidayeen strike on bigger establishments. However, in places, which have weak security, and are crowded a threat from the IM continues to persist.

It could be elements sympathetic to Digvijay Singh ideology.

Mumbai and this one smells of faction fight inside INC. The fact that NIA cant find the perpetrators means they are INC sponsored. Varanasi was trial of new way of IEDs. Mumbai was successful deployment. Now Delhi HC. Its to show PC his place. look at how people are reacting ot PC even here. He is the political target.


Indian police can find the clues in about 48 hrs typically even in the most difficult cases.

The victims and their relatives should send a box of bangles to the NIA.

Lets not forget Doggy Raja wrote article few days ago in which he bats for Islamists bascially hinting they have a friend/s among ruling elites who will do best to shelter them. This IED just is logical next step in this islamist direction. If NIA wants to find the real culprits then they should investigate all the enablers amidst politicians, criminals, foreign elements and their local nexus.
This IED is perfect tool to eclipse ANNA and move him from the front page to the middle ones of Newspapers

Onlee if GOI is serious

India's Antiterror Intelligence

Yet the recent incidents also show that reaction isn't enough. Preventing attacks is the first priority of successful counterterrorism, and here New Delhi is dragging its feet dangerously.

The immediate problem is human intelligence. Intelligence agents struggle to penetrate terrorist cells, while beat cops—who should be the first line of eyes and ears—aren't numerous enough to keep tabs on neighborhoods. India has only 140 policemen for every 100,000 people; the world average is 270. Police training is poor too, as the Takshashila Institution's Sushant K. Singh noted in these pages in July.Consider that the courthouse that was struck Wednesday was the site of a failed bombing attempt on May 25. Police need to devise stronger security nets around such potential targets. Perhaps India can learn from New York City's successful antiterror operation.The government could also build up more sophisticated systems of information gathering and analysis. New Delhi took a step in this direction in late 2008 by ordering the creation of a national intelligence grid, or Natgrid, to catalogue many existing databases to make it easier to identify and track terror suspects.

ramana wrote: Indian police can find the clues in about 48 hrs typically even in the most difficult cases.

bingo. bin-frigging-go

Prem wrote:Onlee if GOI is serious

India's Antiterror Intelligence

Perhaps India can learn from New York City's successful antiterror operation.The government could also build up more sophisticated systems of information gathering and analysis. New Delhi took a step in this direction in late 2008 by ordering the creation of a national intelligence grid, or Natgrid, to catalogue many existing databases to make it easier to identify and track terror suspects.

all the US Tax payer protection money to Pakis as aid and all the thugs of NYPD could not prevent pakis from getting a Nissan Pathfinder loaded up for an IED tailgate party at Times Square. Only some last minute backstabbing prevented a major bloodshed of the same US taxpayer.

And we are to learn from their "successful operations" in busting urban IEDs?

^^^^ How many people died in that IED tailgate party? Has it been repeated within four months, like the Delhi High Court? There is a limit to jingoism.

^^^ How many billions of Indian taxpayer money did govt of India pay the pakis to snitch and otherwise help us out? There is a limit to kiss-assery too, saar

edited: removed emoticon.

Fareed Zakaria on CNN-IBN -- Do Watch

http://ibnlive.in.com/#hp_player2

Top Points:

1) Indian Police System, Intelligence/Investigative Strategy/Forces -- pathetic.
2) Indian Muslims are not as well integrated as US. They feel second class in place like Gujarat.

And there was one more point, I forgot

Investigators traced the "HuJI" mail received on Wednesday "owning up" to the blast to Global Internet Cafe in Kishtwar in Jammu. The email ID used for sending the email was created at 1.04 pm -- more than two hours after the briefcase bomb went off -- something that raises the suspicion that the email may have been a clumsy effort to highlight Guru's plea.

The new email, allegedly sent by the IM at 12.37 pm from the id , said the terror group's next target would be a shopping area. "Hamara agla target jald hi rang layega jo ek shopping complex ke bahar hoga. Use koi nahi rok sakta aur yeh agle tuesday ko hoga. rok sako toh rok lo. (Our next target is a shopping complex. If you can stop it, stop it)," the sender identifying himself as Chotoo said. The IM email is crudely written in Hindi using Roman script and spells Mujahideen as Muzahiddin. Investigators also emphasized that Asghar Ali Peerbhoy, a techie from Pune who was responsible for drafting and dispatching the earlier emails, was behind bars and that this could be the reason for the crude draft of the one sent by Chhotu on Thursday. Incidentally, Chhotu is also the alias of a jailed IM terrorist Salman.

The IM network was busted in 2008 but some key elements like the Shanbandri brothers Riyaz and Iqbal are believed to be located in Pakistan from where they help plan and execute attacks in India. Absconding IM members like Shahnawaz and Junaid who escaped the Batla House encounter on September 19, 2008 are high on the list of suspects. Police and NIA personnel are questioning jailed IM members like Salman and Shehzad who were arrested a few months after the Batla House encounter.

TOI

Fareed shouldn't talk from his musharraf while living on INC money

Atri wrote:Crime is one crucial aspect of a "Rashtra".
[...]
this has been one of the main deracinations and mistakes of indic society in post independence period. the executive arm of crime market is dominated by ROPers. Why did Indics let go this hold? who asked all of them to be "good boys"?

Atri,
you have given the answer yourself. I also did when I said it is about politico-crime-mercantile networks. These become interdependent and work along mutually beneficial interests. Independence was practically about torpedoing any "Indic" revival which would break the subcontinent out of continued Anglo-Saxon hold at a time when direct imperialism was impossible because of bankruptcy. So systematically such personalities and orgs were marked out for elimination and delegitimization. What would survive - and be handed over power to - would be ideologically Anglo-Saxon leaning [while non-aligned pretending], Islamophile and Christophile political groupings. Such a grouping would selectively allow Islamist controlled crime networks to flourish while suppressing or eliminating non-Islamist dominated ones.

The Mumbai mafia changed character from an evenly distributed one [by religion] to overwhlemingly Islamic dominated one. You think criminal networks can flourish without some degree of indirect political patronage and rashtryia machinery usage? A lot of the selective success against supposed "non-Muslim" terror, and almost complete failure against "Islamist" terror, allowing D-company almost free run and virtually open border through Maha and west coast, upper UP Azamgrah and circles, all the way through GV into BD, should indicate what the rashtra really has become.

Huji and IM cannot function unless a solid network that possibly penetrates the rashtryia machinery on the one hand - and extends into a politico-business-mafia on the other hand, as a common network. No matter how much such "terror" happens, the rashtra will not be able to clamp down on it - because perhaps a large part of the rashtryia apparatus is inseparable from the politico-biz-criminal networks, without again perhaps many genuine functionaries even being aware of the reality.

Sumeet wrote:Fareed Zakaria on CNN-IBN -- Do Watch
2) Indian Muslims are not as well integrated as US. They feel second class in place like Gujarat.
And there was one more point, I forgot

Why dont he ask FBIhow well integrated are AM and in which society are Muslim well integrated anyhow?
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People should be able to see certain patterns:

The British secret service managed to put moles in almost all Indic insurgent groups and political assertions. The trials always show the presence of at least one mole in the innermost circles - be it so called "Bengal" terrorists or the crucial pre-Quit India AICC meeting where MKG's comments and frustrations were almost immediately reaching Brit ears as apparently written in the white paper published by the HM gov. Systematically all other opposition except the close coterie around MKG were eliminated. MKG+JLN lobby was allowed to "continue".

Then suddenly ML burst into the scene, and they could mobilize whole "direct action" brigades led and trained by demobilized BIA Muslim soldiers. These peaceful brigades trained, armed themselves, planned direct action for months in secret - with no "penetration" and no "Brit" moles? The Brit gov was taken completely by surprise? The extensive spying and surveillance netowrks built by the Brits suddenly collapsed? BS! It remained intact and was simply handed over into the continuation of the old colonial rashtra - the new Republican admin. In the backdrop of a successful criminal network operation leading to Partition massacres - MKG is conveniently eliminated and another org in the target list delegitimized at one stroke. No "moles", and no "info"?

Any rashtryia secret service or surveillance network will penetrate, protect and use criminal networks. From the rise of "Indic" resurgence against Brit overrule- led from historical and circumstantial reasons by people predominantly from the majority community - we see a consistent selective apparent "allowance" of criminal networks dominated more and more by Islamics, and the trend continues in a glorious continuity from pre to post-independence. Was IG and RG senior eliminations really a product of ethnic ambitions as overtly apparent - or a result of the anger at "individual self assertion", from the long hand of imperialism acting through the indigenous politico-criminal-mercantile networks - while blackmarking out specific ethnicities with strong traditional Indic affiliations? In fact both cases correspond to ethnicities which had once given the Brits a lot of trouble.

Consider whom the Brits considered enemies - and who remain on the common hit list of pre and post independence regimes. How criminal networks dominated by people from one particular faith appear to have had relatively the loving eyes of neglect from the rashtra - starting from the numerous riots before independence to post independence and until now.

Over time, such interactions between rashtryia coercive machinery, and religious-ideology associated criminal networks will reach understanding with business networks who are usually risk avoiders. It might be a process that started before independence, and continues even now. Because of the nature of this particualr religious framework - which has explcit rashtryia ambitions built in, the character itself of the rashtra at the top an dcore slowly changes.

ramana ji could well be on the dot. But the problem might be wider than just the congrez.

4 Zakariya

Most US Muslims feel targeted by terror policies

Washington D.C. - More than half of Muslim Americans say government anti-terrorism policies single them out.They complain about increased surveillance and monitoring, and many report increased cases of name-calling, threats and harassment by airport security, law enforcement officers and others.In all, 52 percent of Muslim Americans surveyed said their group is singled out by government for terrorist surveillance. Almost as many
43 percent reported they had personally experienced harassment in the past year, according to the poll released Tuesday.That 43 percent share of people reporting harassment is up from 40 percent in 2007, the first time Pew polled Muslim Americans.
Asked to identify in what ways they felt bias, about 28 percent said they had been treated or viewed with suspicion by people, while 22 percent said they were called offensive names. About 21 percent said they were singled out by airport security because they were Muslim, while another 13 percent said they were targeted by other law enforcement officials. Roughly 6 percent said they had been physically threatened or attacked.