Bharat Rakshak

KLNMurthy wrote:

disha wrote:Can we call them freedom fighters? It is definitely a law & order problem for Europe.

Fidayeen is the proper word. Indian ELM also used it during 26/11. Sounds very '60s revolutionary-glamorous, shades of Leila Khaled et al.

I am really having a hard time generating any sympathy for, or solidarity with, these Western countries. It is all karma onlee.

Gerard wrote:Wondered how soon the burqa ban would be brought up by the likes of MSA

Three teams of attackers were involved in the Paris attack in which 129 people were killed and more than 350 wounded, France's chief prosecutor says.
"We have to find out where they came from... and how they were financed," Francois Molins told reporters.

Reacting to the deadly terrorist attacks in Paris, Congress leader Mani Shankar Aiyar on Saturday said that a possible solution against the growing surge can be the change in the 'Anti-Islam' attitude that exists in western countries.

"The Anti-Islam phobia that is being carried out in the western countries should be stopped immediately. The Muslims living in France should be provided with the assurance that they are also citizens of the country," Aiyar told ANI.

"In addition to expressing remorse, we should also think that why this situation has raised? Whatever the ISIS has done is extremely condemnable and by claiming the responsibility for the attacks, they have shown their ego which will not be accepted by anyone," he added.

He also said that only condemning the incident would not be sufficient.

"We strongly condemn this as but we cannot overlook it by just condemning it. There is need to examine this on fundamental ground, why this happened," said Aiyar.

A_Gupta wrote:Here is current MSA:
http://www.catchnews.com/world-news/ant ... 88023.html

Reacting to the deadly terrorist attacks in Paris, Congress leader Mani Shankar Aiyar on Saturday said that a possible solution against the growing surge can be the change in the 'Anti-Islam' attitude that exists in western countries.

"The Anti-Islam phobia that is being carried out in the western countries should be stopped immediately. The Muslims living in France should be provided with the assurance that they are also citizens of the country," Aiyar told ANI.

"In addition to expressing remorse, we should also think that why this situation has raised? Whatever the ISIS has done is extremely condemnable and by claiming the responsibility for the attacks, they have shown their ego which will not be accepted by anyone," he added.

He also said that only condemning the incident would not be sufficient.

"We strongly condemn this as but we cannot overlook it by just condemning it. There is need to examine this on fundamental ground, why this happened," said Aiyar.

A_Gupta wrote:In my opinion, no terrorist movement has long-term viability without external state or state-like support. Even the weak Sri Lanka government finally destroyed the LTTE (yes, the LTTE was a terrorist movement; and some fingers may point to India for initial support of it). Even a kabila-like state in modern times is really powerful (e.g., in Pakistan, that power was demonstrated in the clean-up of Karachi).

For any long-lived terrorist movement, we need to identify its sponsors clearly and boldly. The US fight against al Qaeda was so prolonged and also is not going well against ISIS/ISIL/Daesh because it does not address the issue of the sponsors of these groups.

That terrorism is caused by poverty, alienation from society, discrimination, etc., is bullcr*p. If that was true, the aam janata of India would be a big source of terrorists in the world because of poverty, and the African-Americans of the USA would be another source of terrorists in the world because of discrimination and alienation from society.

The raw material for terrorism probably continually arises from certain ideologies, but this is usually fringe, fragile and easily crushed. It is the sponsorship of these that makes them really large and dangerous

Muslims are not terrorists. They are as French as me.

Sadly, thanks to right-wing parties like the Front National, whose nationalistic arguments shape public discourse every election, people are beginning to doubt that. Next elections they will use this attack as a vote plank for sure.

Nationalism is on the rise. Violence generates violence. But that's not the solution. People forget easily. Nazism is not so far behind us. Neither is the Spanish war.

LokeshC wrote:I have a theory (no evidence, just a gut feel):

Leftists and Islamists have similar neural pathways that get activated when they "fight" for their cause against whoever or whatever is "oppressing" them for that day.

Their brains work in similar ways and they connect instantly.

Karan M wrote:The guy has become a complete demented apologist for Islamist terrorism. Has he converted in secret? Or is this what decades of leftist indoctrination about muslims being perpetual victims, does to anyones brain.

Satya_anveshi wrote:Earlier we went thru Greece's economic woes (or meltdown) and how EU was playing hardball to giving it more loans let alone bailing out. Greece's chutpaz (both hindi and english version) in demanding bailouts and threatening to bring down european economy otherwise was incredible.

Now Greece is taking revenge...all of the terrorists sent to western european countries must go thru Greece from Turkey. Per some reports some 4000+ terrorists have sneaked into Europe along with migrants/refugees. Now these terrorists pose risk to an already fragile european economy .

In the Volkswagen emission scandal, people who alerted US and based on which that investigation was opened were from Greece.

I felt sick. For a few hours, even a few days, I’d like to focus on the pain of Parisians and how that magnificent city reclaims any sense of order, any semblance of safety. I’d like not to wonder if Hillary Clinton’s odds of election just ticked upward or downward or if Donald Trump’s chest-thumping bluster suddenly became more seductive.

I’d like not to be told, fewer than 18 hours after the shots rang out, how they demonstrate that Americans must crack down on illegal immigration to our own country. I read that and was galled, and not because of my feelings about immigration, but because of my feelings about the automatic, indiscriminate politicization of tragedy.

It’s such a disrespectful impulse.

And it’s such an ugly one.

The attack on a major city which now echoes on Paris was that on Mumbai, November 26, 2008. What happened after that? Though it was well-established, including by the FBI, that the Mumbai massacre had been masterminded by the Lashkar-e-Taiba, with the support of the Pakistani state, India did not go to war with Pakistan. Despite a $10 million bounty on the head of the Lashkar-e-Taiba, Hafiz Saeed, by the **US** Government, he wanders free in Pakistan. As does Sajid Mir, though he was convicted by a French court in absentia. The US has continued to give billions in aid directly and indirectly via the IMF, to Pakistan, and is now selling it F-16s. Pakistan has not prosecuted anyone either.

So we should advocate the same treatment for the perpetrators of this latest atrocity. Sell them arms, give them aid, keep diplomatic relations with them.

Or am I indulging in a disrespectful, ugly impulse of making a political point?

ramana wrote:No wonder Belgium closed borders along with France.

Guns must have been from Belgium.
Recall the attacker boarded a train to France when US servicemen tackled him a few months ago?

Satya_anveshi wrote:Poope calls this is all turd world war:
http://www.news.va/en/news/pope-francis ... fication-f

(Vatican Radio) Pope Francis has called the attacks in Paris “a piece” of the “piecemeal Third World War.”

"France can be one of the most aggressive countries in the world when it comes to striking terrorist groups overseas." Chivvis said via email Saturday.

"President Hollande has considerable capability at his disposal, including advanced airpower, highly trained special forces, and land and naval assets. France needs support of NATO allies and especially the United States to employ these capabilities to their fullest, however."
It's clear France will respond militarily, according to CNN military analyst Lt. Col. Rick Francona.
"The problem will be, how are they going to do that?" Francona said. "Stepping up air attacks doesn't do anything unless we got adequate targets to strike. That's been the problem all along in Syria and Iraq."
Christiane Amanpour, CNN's chief international correspondent, described Hollande's remarks Saturday as "a language of war."

UlanBatori wrote:Far from it. Now Bakistan has proved that it is a Victom of Terrism. All originating in Belgium. Didn't Abdul Xerox Khan's blueprints also come from Belgium?

French authorities have detained several suspects allegedly linked to a cell that carried out the terrorist attacks in Paris. Meanwhile sources close to the investigation revealed that at least two of the assailants “very likely” entered Europe as refugees via Greece.

French police said they found a Syrian passport “near the body of one of the attackers” during the investigation into the assaults. On Saturday, Greece’s deputy minister in charge of police, Nikos Toscas, confirmed that the holder of the passport might have entered Europe via Greece back in October.

“The holder of the passport passed through the island of Leros on October 3, 2015, where he was identified according to EU rules,” said Toscas. The official however couldn’t provide any additional information as to whether the gunman’s passport had been checked en-route to France.

However, the Syrian passport found at the site of the attack might be fake, a US intelligence official told CBS News, pointing out that it did not contain the correct numbers for a legitimate Syrian document and the picture did not match the name.

Later on Saturday, government sources in Athens confirmed to Reuters that a second identified attacker seemed to have travelled to Europe via Greece as well.

“It is very likely that a second suspect also passed through Greece. The investigation is continuing,” one of the sources told Reuters. According to reports from the Greek television station Mega, the second attacker also passed via Leros island in August.

Security officials in European states have long voiced concerns that extremists might use the unprecedented refugee flow to sneak into the EU undetected.

“It is clear now that together with the victims of Islamo-fascism in the Middle East that come as refugees, extreme elements are crossing to Europe,” Greek Defence Minister Panos Kammenos said, as cited by AFP.

Neshant wrote:and other vices like women sleeping around in white western societies is contributing to that feeling that they are losing this civilizational battle.

Karan M wrote:The guy has become a complete demented apologist for Islamist terrorism. Has he converted in secret? Or is this what decades of leftist indoctrination about muslims being perpetual victims, does to anyones brain.

Singha wrote:Toi

3 refugees who passed in via greece