Re: Social Problems in Punjab and their Strategic Impact
Posted: 21 Mar 2023 16:38
by chetak
arshyam wrote:I don't think they'll ever catch him. Officially. Tamil speaking folks may recall the ending of the film Saamy.
amrutpol is stuck like a thorn in the throat of these khalistanis now. They are neither able to swallow it nor spit it out!
keeping him in limbo means who is to succeed him, alternately, the "hero" turned tail and ran like the coward that he turned out to be. Abandoned his followers and left them to the tender mercies of the "pols"
limbo may be the best solution onlee
Re: Social Problems in Punjab and their Strategic Impact
Posted: 21 Mar 2023 16:41
by Tanaji
There is already a habeas corpus petition with the Punjab high court. Lets see how that unfolds
Re: Social Problems in Punjab and their Strategic Impact
Posted: 21 Mar 2023 17:12
by rajkumar
Tanaji wrote:There is already a habeas corpus petition with the Punjab high court. Lets see how that unfolds
The writ of Habeas Corpus is fine. As long as the Government of India & the Government of Punjab 'don't have him in custody' they are not going to be effected by this writ of habeas corpus.
Re: Social Problems in Punjab and their Strategic Impact
Posted: 21 Mar 2023 21:03
by vijayk
chetak wrote:
arshyam wrote:I don't think they'll ever catch him. Officially. Tamil speaking folks may recall the ending of the film Saamy.
amrutpol is stuck like a thorn in the throat of these khalistanis now. They are neither able to swallow it nor spit it out!
keeping him in limbo means who is to succeed him, alternately, the "hero" turned tail and ran like the coward that he turned out to be. Abandoned his followers and left them to the tender mercies of the "pols"
limbo may be the best solution onlee
He may be in Pakistan
Re: Social Problems in Punjab and their Strategic Impact
Posted: 21 Mar 2023 21:32
by NRao
Re: Social Problems in Punjab and their Strategic Impact
Taxi driver from Dubai #AmritpalSingh, imported as new brand for Khalistan, is on a run. The global pro-Khalistani nexus is out in his support.
Biggest surprise?
This time the role of ‘West’ is obvious with key players from Canada, UK & US pushing anti-India propaganda.
(1/n)
Upon checking the tweets on Amritpal Singh and Khalistan, we found that the pro-Khalistani agenda is being espoused mainly from west i.e., Canada, USA, UK, and Australia- All safe havens for the ISI-backed Khalistani elements.
(2/n)
Support for the Khalistani fugitive came heavily from Canadian politicians, who stoked pro-Khalistani sentiments in the name of human rights, saving democracy in India
It's eye-openein for Sikhs how these politicians encourage bloodshed in Punjab for their petty politics
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Re: Social Problems in Punjab and their Strategic Impact
Posted: 21 Mar 2023 22:27
by arshyam
chetak wrote:
arshyam wrote:I don't think they'll ever catch him. Officially. Tamil speaking folks may recall the ending of the film Saamy.
amrutpol is stuck like a thorn in the throat of these khalistanis now. They are neither able to swallow it nor spit it out!
keeping him in limbo means who is to succeed him, alternately, the "hero" turned tail and ran like the coward that he turned out to be. Abandoned his followers and left them to the tender mercies of the "pols"
limbo may be the best solution onlee
Yes, that's how that film ended. Killing the bad guy would make him a martyr, arrest meant he'd be out due to his political influence. So the hero, a cop, makes a well publicized chase of the bad guy, then quietly finishes him off. But tells the press that he ran away and police are on the lookout. End of the bad guy. End of the film.
Re: Social Problems in Punjab and their Strategic Impact
Posted: 21 Mar 2023 22:57
by vijayk
Remembering what Obama did to Osama's body
Re: Social Problems in Punjab and their Strategic Impact
Posted: 21 Mar 2023 22:59
by vijayk
Sikh Canadians by province and territory (1981−2021)
10 largest Sikh Canadian populations by subdivisions (1991−2021)
Re: Social Problems in Punjab and their Strategic Impact
Posted: 22 Mar 2023 10:30
by Sachin
Tanaji wrote:There is already a habeas corpus petition with the Punjab high court.
Who has filed the Habeas Corpus writ in the High Court? Habeas Corpus writ can lead to a situation where Punjab High Court asks Punjab Police to present Amritpal in the court. The police can say that they have never taken him into custody. Nothing can be done after words, other than ordering the police to look for the person which they are doing any ways. In cases (like Rajan case in Kerala), Habeas Corpus writ may lead to problems for the police later if there is convincing proof that Amritpal was taken into police custody, and now he has gone missing. Which brings up the case of custodial death, encounter etc.
Re: Social Problems in Punjab and their Strategic Impact
Posted: 22 Mar 2023 14:30
by venkat_kv
vijayk wrote:I have an old sardar friend who moved to California. He used to work in Manufacturing, I asked him what is is going on in US, Canada and UK
This is his response
"There are hundred of Sikhs who have completed/commuted their jail time 5-10 years ago but still not being released after that many years. In fact there is a Sikh who started going to village by village to ask Sikhs to become good religious Sikhs by baptizing themselves.
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It is Indian Governments political agenda to suppress Sikhs, particularly center Modi Party lost election after unsuccessful suppressing farmers/Kisans for to work for big corporations and grow what the corporate will ask to grow at set selling price by corporate. It is big game plan if Modi government to make rich few business rich, sell all government owned properties, railroads, airports, airlines to just few Indian businesses."
I tried to reason in
"I don't know about agriculture but industries and privatization is key for India. We are now assembling iphones. The GDP ranking of India gone from 10 to 5 because of foreign investment and manufacturing. Govt should not run airlines. Air India was losing 10000 crores every year.
Agriculture is unknown to me. If we don't modernize, we become like Pakistan. See how pakistan is going bankrupt.
I thought congress and kejriwal are in power in Punjab. Why are they not releasing prisoners?"
His response:
Privatization is good for industry but selling historical places and giving everything to few businesses is not. Particularly controlling farmers to grow what the company as you to grow but then the company will buy at set price, but there is no set price for farmers to buy Ary high priced all the necessities such as water, seeds, equipments, gas, electricity to be used for growing crops. Corporations set buy at cheaper price to ruin farmers their ability to pay back their loans for the above and more things. In those cases corporations will take over farmers land and force them to work for Industry. I think central government controls through their appointed Governors in each State.
Again But government is feeling shaky because Amritpal Singh going against the government to release those in Jail should be released because they have commuted their terms. There is no such law to keep them in jail but government for many years denying to release them. All politicians are for themselves, some less or more.
All the media is under strict controlled by the Indian government. Whatever news is out is made by and for Indian government about Amritpal. There is independent news agency in India who can show he is saying or said if Khalistan. No Sikh wants Khalistan. That word is gone with the wind back in 80s.
Vijay K Saar,
you are trying to reason in good faith while your friend either wantonly or due to misinfomation is spouting nonsense. You should not bring about other things like iphone manufacture in india, just point the fact to his face that BJP has never won or ruled in Punjab, Punjab was ruled by SAD and Congress who were all sikhs for the most part. And AAP is ruling now, this point needs to be hammered in that when the
1. sikh ruled parties in Punjab are not releasing the prisoners, why blame Modi and Center, are the former CM's of Punjab against Sikhs?
2. They could have gone to court to get the people released no, instead of going village to village like bindranwale of the yore.
And this nonsense about industrialists need to stop, ask your friend to read the actual laws, the law stipulates that the so called industrialist should pay MSP values declared by govt and if the farmer doesn't get that he can go to the mandi. Simply sitting abroad and listening to god know what conspiracy radio programs, people shouldn't show their ignorance in the open.
And Amritpal did speak about Khalistan after the recent fracas on the police station and has been going around the villages saying Sikhs are being treated as second class citizens (now where have we heard this trope before) and they need to fight to get their respect back or they will be slaves (unless your friend is willfully quoting things to suit his argument), so his hogwash of Amritpal not speaking about Khalistan is just that.
The issue about losses in Air India should be brought up when people talk about freebies or lack of roads or increased prices or some such issues.
Re: Social Problems in Punjab and their Strategic Impact
Posted: 22 Mar 2023 14:41
by venkat_kv
Cyrano wrote:There is much happening in India for which we can blame ourselves. But when you step back and see where the instigation and support is coming from I believe it's the US behind it. Covertly getting its grovelling vassals UK, Canada and AUS to allow Khalistani forces to take root and grow. Canada brazenly offers state support.
2. Demand that Khalistani movement babe recognised as an international terrorist movement with immediate effect and impose ban on its flags, iconography, propaganda production and dissemination, congregation and financing. Demand FATF compliance on this. Demand that each head of state and official publicly denounce Khalistan movement and promise strict action on its adherents.
Telugu saying "what can be nipped with a finger nail, if left unchecked, will need an axe" comes to mind. But now there is no choice.
Cyrano Saar,
All of your points are good except for the second one. The khalistan symbol has been present in Sikhism from a longer time. it would be akin to someone asking for a ban on Swastika citing Hindutva or hitler symbolisms. These symbols predate the lousy idiots wielding it and bring a bad name to it and many religious folks will not stand for it especially when the Indian govt. requests an official ban on it. That will play into the khalistani elements saying that govt is trying to supress our religion/symbols etc etc.
We can just ask them to ban Khalistani freedom movement and that joker like Pannu. the west will obviously not act on it untill they need a trade agreement or money thrown their way, but the process needs to be started in earnest.
Re: Social Problems in Punjab and their Strategic Impact
Posted: 22 Mar 2023 15:59
by Cyrano
What I'm saying is that the govt and dharmic sikhi institutions must go after the appropriation of Sikh symbols by these thugs, especially when it's associated with the word Khalistan. True Sikhs all over the world must step up and must visibly and loudly counter this misuse.
Funny coincidence: Khalistan flags use the same colours as Ukraine flag - blue Khanda symbol over yellow background. Sometimes black is also used for the symbol.
Re: Social Problems in Punjab and their Strategic Impact
Posted: 22 Mar 2023 18:16
by SBajwa
Nobody is reporting these! Click on the news link for videos of Sikhs marching to British high commission
New Delhi: In response to the incident of vandalism at the Indian High Commission in the UK, a group of Sikhs took out a march to the British High Commission in New Delhi. The group was holding the national flag and chanting 'we love India' and 'Bharat Mata Ki Jai'. A video of the same has emerged on social media.
Message from the sikh community
The video comes as a response by the Sikh community in India, who were out to give a loud and clear message to all the Anti-India elements sitting abroad.
BJP's Manjinder Singh Sirsa shared the video and wrote, "We love India" Through this protest at the British High Commission, the Sikhs of India have sent a loud and clear message to all the anti-India elements sitting abroad. We won’t let a few defame or weaken the bond of the entire community with our nation."'
Khalistani supporters had detached the Indian flag from first-floor balcony and vandalised the Indian High Commission in UK on Sunday. An arrest was made by the police in the matter today. Senior officials were called to the Indian High Commission around 1.50 pm GMT on Sunday following the vandalism.
Two guards had suffered injuries in the Sunday incident.
London Mayor condemns attack
Responding to the incident, London's mayor Sadiq Khan said in a tweet, "I condemn the violent disorder and vandalism that took place at the Indian High Commission today (Sunday). There is no place in our city for this kind of behaviour." An investigation has been launched by the Met, he added.
Re: Social Problems in Punjab and their Strategic Impact
Posted: 22 Mar 2023 19:44
by vimal
Amount of time we waste on these could've been utilized for good but no.
Lets spread trash everywhere from Punjab to London to Kaneeda.
Re: Social Problems in Punjab and their Strategic Impact
Posted: 22 Mar 2023 19:58
by sanjaykumar
The khanda is reminiscent of the emblem on the Iranian flag.
Yes sbajwa, there are many Sikhs who are fully aware of things. And it is important for Hindus to hear them.
Ramnik Mann on YouTube is intelligent and fearless.
I would highly recommend him. I have learnt much from his appearances.
Re: Social Problems in Punjab and their Strategic Impact
Posted: 22 Mar 2023 20:39
by chetak
Sachin wrote:
Tanaji wrote:There is already a habeas corpus petition with the Punjab high court.
Who has filed the Habeas Corpus writ in the High Court? Habeas Corpus writ can lead to a situation where Punjab High Court asks Punjab Police to present Amritpal in the court. The police can say that they have never taken him into custody. Nothing can be done after words, other than ordering the police to look for the person which they are doing any ways. In cases (like Rajan case in Kerala), Habeas Corpus writ may lead to problems for the police later if there is convincing proof that Amritpal was taken into police custody, and now he has gone missing. Which brings up the case of custodial death, encounter etc.
The Modi govt has turned the tables on the punjab govt just by keeping quiet
Re: Social Problems in Punjab and their Strategic Impact
Posted: 22 Mar 2023 20:50
by ramana
Tanaji wrote:There is already a habeas corpus petition with the Punjab high court. Lets see how that unfolds
Please post the details of this petition. Who filed it and where?
Re: Social Problems in Punjab and their Strategic Impact
Posted: 22 Mar 2023 20:54
by ramana
Sachin wrote:
Tanaji wrote:There is already a habeas corpus petition with the Punjab high court.
Who has filed the Habeas Corpus writ in the High Court? Habeas Corpus writ can lead to a situation where Punjab High Court asks Punjab Police to present Amritpal in the court. The police can say that they have never taken him into custody. Nothing can be done after words, other than ordering the police to look for the person which they are doing any ways. In cases (like Rajan case in Kerala), Habeas Corpus writ may lead to problems for the police later if there is convincing proof that Amritpal was taken into police custody, and now he has gone missing. Which brings up the case of custodial death, encounter etc.
How about we relax and not speculate about parallels?
It is a touchy situation.
Re: Social Problems in Punjab and their Strategic Impact
Posted: 22 Mar 2023 20:57
by ramana
Also HC should stop their hectoring and stop inflaming an already volatile situation.
The same question can be asked of the Courts. How do you let off child murderers on flimsy grounds?
Re: Social Problems in Punjab and their Strategic Impact
Posted: 22 Mar 2023 21:10
by chetak
now the mercenary termites come crawling out of the rotten woodwork.....
@IndiaToday·9h
Congress seeks kid gloves for #Khalistani thugs, says 'be soft on misguided boys';
Akalis pledge legal help.
Re: Social Problems in Punjab and their Strategic Impact
Posted: 22 Mar 2023 21:14
by ramana
More than the Congress Sukhbir Singh Badal has been quite supportive of the Khalistanis.
Re: Social Problems in Punjab and their Strategic Impact
Posted: 22 Mar 2023 22:55
by Tanaji
ramana wrote:
Tanaji wrote:There is already a habeas corpus petition with the Punjab high court. Lets see how that unfolds
Please post the details of this petition. Who filed it and where?
Re: Social Problems in Punjab and their Strategic Impact
Posted: 23 Mar 2023 01:24
by IndraD
No commitments, ‘small marriages’, kisses on video calls, Khalistani leader Amritpal Singh, who talks about a separate Khalistan, chatted with multiple women - single and married, on social media, and blackmailed women with their obscene videos. His chats and voice notes have been accessed by India Today TV https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/e ... 2023-03-22
Re: Social Problems in Punjab and their Strategic Impact
Posted: 23 Mar 2023 02:23
by IndraD
how to deal with Khalistani lumpens and their British and American masters.
1. Cancel their OCI, PIO cards. Let them fritter away their lives overseas.
2. Do what Yogi ji does in UP - demolish their properties in India.
3. Identity the Khalistani who pulled down the Tricolour in London, and demolish his house.
4. Those who accept money from these Khalistanis must be declared terrorists and their homes demolished.
5. Dogs and cats like Amritpal should be dragged by their collars and thrown into jail.
6. Khalistanis should be lodged in jails in Nagaland and Assam to grind them down psychologically.
7. Withdraw CRPF and Delhi Police from the embassies of the UK and US. If these countries can't ensure the safety of Indian embassies, then let provide their own security in India. It is shocking how many cops are on embassy duty in India
Re: Social Problems in Punjab and their Strategic Impact
Posted: 23 Mar 2023 02:28
by Bart S
Came across this link via Coupta's regurgitated video today.
You can't get Khalistan through military movement: Jagat Singh Chouhan
Jagjit Singh Chohan, self-styled president of the Khalistan government in exile, has for years been the most prominent international face of Sikh separatism.
Some interesting insights and data points, including that Bhutto was planning Khalistan and readying to backstab Indira even as he was negotiating the Simla Accord.
Re: Social Problems in Punjab and their Strategic Impact
Posted: 23 Mar 2023 12:11
by sanman
IndraD wrote:how to deal with Khalistani lumpens and their British and American masters.
1. Cancel their OCI, PIO cards. Let them fritter away their lives overseas.
2. Do what Yogi ji does in UP - demolish their properties in India.
3. Identity the Khalistani who pulled down the Tricolour in London, and demolish his house.
Apparently his name is Avatar Singh Khanda, and he's an asylum seeker in Britain.
Demolish his house where? His house in Punjab? Or his house in UK?
We don't even know that he still has a house in Punjab.
Why would UK demolish his house for us?
A stiff fine might be useful.
4. Those who accept money from these Khalistanis must be declared terrorists and their homes demolished.
5. Dogs and cats like Amritpal should be dragged by their collars and thrown into jail.
6. Khalistanis should be lodged in jails in Nagaland and Assam to grind them down psychologically.
7. Withdraw CRPF and Delhi Police from the embassies of the UK and US. If these countries can't ensure the safety of Indian embassies, then let provide their own security in India. It is shocking how many cops are on embassy duty in India
There is a younger, more media-savvy generation getting involved now. The Toolkit people.
They are much better connected and more globally networked than the older Khalistanis.
We're too unaware to see this, and so we're being caught unawares. Burhan Wani was just the first taste of it.
Re: Social Problems in Punjab and their Strategic Impact
Posted: 23 Mar 2023 12:34
by sanman
chetak wrote:
arshyam wrote:I don't think they'll ever catch him. Officially. Tamil speaking folks may recall the ending of the film Saamy.
amrutpol is stuck like a thorn in the throat of these khalistanis now. They are neither able to swallow it nor spit it out!
ArmpitBaal is just the latest trigger for Khalistanis, who've been building up khujli for quite some time now. Clearly the Farmer protests were their first strike/ambush, with the aid of their toolkits, etc.
keeping him in limbo means who is to succeed him, alternately, the "hero" turned tail and ran like the coward that he turned out to be. Abandoned his followers and left them to the tender mercies of the "pols"
limbo may be the best solution onlee
He hasn't attained a romantic heroic martyrdom, like Burhan Wani. But who knows, he may turn up abroad and continue campaigning from there.
Re: Social Problems in Punjab and their Strategic Impact
Posted: 23 Mar 2023 13:26
by IndraD
After security of consulates & HC abroad beefed up Khalistanis are attacking softer targets- Indians abroad targeting Gujaratis and even businesses of Punjabis who don't believe in Khalistan
Making of Gunda Raaj by Khalistan in London https://twitter.com/khushikapoor211/sta ... 10080?s=20
Ankit Bhuptani @CitizenAnkit
The abusive #Khalistani in a viral video on Twitter from Anti-India protest in UK is Gurcharan Singh of Dal Khalsa. In 2017
@republic did a sting operation where he admitted to ‘Funding & Supporting AAP’ Here he is saying, ‘ @AamAadmiParty is a tool.’
"We funded AAP"
"We have office in Beijing to seek CCP support.. If China takes Sikkim our job is done"
"If Modi win (2019) election, RSS will go on crazy tour"
Gurcharan Singh, the one who was threatening an elderly Gujarati, was caught in a sting op by Republic TV in 2018.
Re: Social Problems in Punjab and their Strategic Impact
Posted: 24 Mar 2023 00:46
by IndraD
awesome op India is digging out details we will not know otherwise: channel Sutluj calling Indian occupied Punjab is based in Arizona US https://www.opindia.com/2023/03/satluj- ... khalistan/ Satluj Network – US-based pro-Khalistan channel spreading misinformation and hate against India
Re: Social Problems in Punjab and their Strategic Impact
So much misinformation & propaganda is being circulated regarding Punjab Police's crackdown against Khalistani sympathizer #AmritpalSingh & his associates. Influencers from UK, Canada,US, Pakistan trying to create panic and unsettling environment across #Punjab (1/14)
A thread-
Re: Social Problems in Punjab and their Strategic Impact
Posted: 24 Mar 2023 02:54
by Haresh
khalidstani, convincing a naive gullible Canadian teacher in London on the cause.
These goras are so naive.
They speak up and we don't. They may be obnoxious, castiest, violent and fundamentalist, but they are convinced with their cause. And don't underestmate the economic power of the average westerner sitting on generations of plundered wealth and institutions perpetuating their dominance over the world economy.
We need to up our act.
Re: Social Problems in Punjab and their Strategic Impact
Posted: 24 Mar 2023 06:52
by sanjaykumar
Westerners are many things but they are not naive.
Sikhs are known in Canada by certain stereotypes: gangs drugs violence insurance fraud ghettos. They are mocked for being drivers and security guards or janitors.
It is not exactly fair.
But this a battle they can’t win. Part of it is of course they are like the hijab wearers. They other themselves by their appearance. You will notice many of these khalistanis eschew turbans. But if they whip themselves up into a frenzy, they will be back to wearing turbans. That will come as a relief to Hindus. They will not admit it but the fact is they do not want to be identified with Sikhs. It’s exactly like British Indians who definitely do not want to be identified with Pakistanis or Bangladeshis.
Re: Social Problems in Punjab and their Strategic Impact
Posted: 24 Mar 2023 07:42
by sanman
sanjaykumar wrote:Westerners are many things but they are not naive.
Westerners have for some time been increasingly imprisoned under a Left-dominated media establishment.
Take a look at NPR, and their gratuitous dig at Modi (they know nothing about history of Sikhs and Hindus, but they know what conforms to their own preferred narrative)
Sikhs are known in Canada by certain stereotypes: gangs drugs violence insurance fraud ghettos. They are mocked for being drivers and security guards or janitors.
It is not exactly fair.
But this a battle they can’t win. Part of it is of course they are like the hijab wearers. They other themselves by their appearance. You will notice many of these khalistanis eschew turbans. But if they whip themselves up into a frenzy, they will be back to wearing turbans. That will come as a relief to Hindus. They will not admit it but the fact is they do not want to be identified with Sikhs. It’s exactly like British Indians who definitely do not want to be identified with Pakistanis or Bangladeshis.
Canada's increasingly dominant Left have been increasingly embracing the Muslims and Khalistani Sikhs like Jagmeet, embracing their broader political narratives and conforming them to their own (eg. majoritarian chauvinism vs minorities, etc).
Just don't ask Khalistanis or Akhal Takht what they think about LGBTQ. While the young India-hater Jagmeet Singh embraces them, the more traditional types obviously won't do that.
When former Ontario premier Kathleen Wynne, who is a lesbian, came to visit Amritsar years ago, Akhal Takht was unwilling to give her blessings out in the open, so they kind of smuggled her into their basement and took pictures with her there.
But the North American Left are increasingly desperate to hang onto power at all costs, so they will embrace any and all Vote Banks, even if these groups have beliefs which contradict each other. Politics makes for strange bedfellows, and the North American Leftists are now more than ever in a Mahagathbandhan marriage of convenience.
Re: Social Problems in Punjab and their Strategic Impact
Shows how Khalistan is linked to Kashmir front\and both controlled by Pakistan
Re: Social Problems in Punjab and their Strategic Impact
Posted: 24 Mar 2023 08:00
by sanman
Srutayus wrote:They speak up and we don't. They may be obnoxious, castiest, violent and fundamentalist, but they are convinced with their cause.
Exactly. I remember the case of New Jersey Democrat Congressman Stephen Solarz from the 1980s, who was a longtime reliable friend of India whom NRI community had cultivated a relationship with over the years. One day his traditional electoral district was re-drawn due to re-districting tactics by the opposing political party. Khalistanis sensed his weakness and moved in for the kill. They went door-to-door campaigning for his political rivals, and succeeded in defeating him. And they really crowed about it later on. NRIs could only donate money, but that's it. Only our RSS guys are hardcore enough to show up.
And don't underestmate the economic power of the average westerner sitting on generations of plundered wealth and institutions perpetuating their dominance over the world economy.
Western economic power is crumbling as we speak. India has not moved aggressively enough to be in a position to displace China's unreliable supply chains. Farm Bill climbdown was a big setback for the Centre at the hands of the Khalistani activists.
If I were BJP, I would take these images of Khalistan rioters to our farmers and tell them "Look at whom you aligned with. Look at who you allowed to use you. Do you see what you've enabled?"
We need to up our act.
Aggressive litigation strategy is best against violent types. Sue them into the ground for damages, and sue their organizations along with them.
Southern Poverty Law Center may be a useful model to look at.
Re: Social Problems in Punjab and their Strategic Impact