Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 09, 2010

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 26 Aug 2010 23:11

My 2 cents on the topic of Pakis and Indians in US and how pakis suck up to Americans and this makes them more popular in office etc.

Here is my take most Indians in US come from Middle class background. Overwhelming population has a degree in sciences with engineers leading the pack. Whether they come as students or on H1B they carry the baggage that is universal to middle class which is to be rooted in their culture and second is to support their families so despite of staying in US most of these people do not change themselves beyond recognition examples of this would be vegeratian people staying veggie or people sporting mustache keep it etc this means they sometimes are out of place in parties and social gathering. Me being veggie myself politely decline invites to barbeque parties since there is almost nothing there to eat. So we prefer to hang out with our own crowd. Now contrast that with Pakis who are mostly RAPES. so these guys do not carry any cultural baggage since they are from the rich classes. They also have no diet restriction except for pork. Most do not stick to halal or if they do then in resturants order fish (which is always halal). RAPES behavior can only be matched by kids from India who come from a similar background like industrialists, babus or mantri's.

Now we need to also remember the golden rule in management "BS can take you to top but will not keep you there for long". Pakis can BS as much as they want but they seriously lack skills (business as well as technology) to make a noticeable difference to the organization. At the end of the day you can be popular in parties but that does not count in your annual 360 feedback which decides your pay hike, promotion and utility to the company. So when SDRE's are ruling the US corporate world pakis are no where to be seem.

Most pakis will suck up to Indian and call themselves desis. Ofcourse here their preference is for North Indian who can speak Punjabi or least Hindi. They stay away from South Indians. Now Gora knows who can entertain him and who can get the job done so socializing might be good but its not the ultimate thing that we need to posses.

So when Indians proudly have a idol of Ganpati on their desk (some even give it as present to their American co workers) pakis hang US flag on their desk and "Support our troops" stickers on their car bumpers. This tells you all about how proud we are of our culture and how ashamed they are of their nationality. They never even call their resturants as pakistani resturants they are always Indian resturant. Now we all know there is no paki cuisine or paki culture its all Indian culture and cuisine but the same pakis who shout over forums that they are distinct and superior will be washing dishes in an Indian resturant. I hate some of those Indian who call their grocery stores as Indo Pak groceries what the hell in this world is Indo Pak.

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 26 Aug 2010 23:27

I think the behavior also reflects in their diplomacy. They know if they talk about Pakistan and Pakistanis, they have nothing to show. So they are hard pressed to ensure that if you don't like my country .... no issues... at least like me... Hence they go overboard on impressing their forin guests... God forbid if the foreigner is a Lady.... Just ask Condi Rice

Nihat · Post by **Nihat** » 26 Aug 2010 23:49

One aspect of significance in all this flooding in TSP has been DDM's role in India. I read the newspaper on my PC everyday and update myself with media websites of channels like IBN and times now but there has been absolutly no coverage of the floods , no updates on latest bhiksha to TSP, no sympathy or appeals for donation from Indians in the name of humanity , brotherhood etc. It's a big fat ignore from India n I'm lovin it that way.

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 26 Aug 2010 23:51

Sri,
Its like this - "Hey. Indo-pak, Indo-pak! You wanna talk?" bs. They have to drag in India every single time and cannot talk of themselves separately.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 26 Aug 2010 23:53

In fact this ignore from Indian media has caused a real takleef to pakis. There have been several articles in paki press which have been posted here where pakis have been complaining about how Indian media was busy discussing common wealth games corruption over paki floods.

archan · Post by **archan** » 27 Aug 2010 00:19

vina wrote:Pakistan Drowning in Neglect

Nice first hand story of PakFauj - RAPES flooding Baluchistan to save Jacobabad airbase!. Think of it. They could have just flown the F-16s to other places and sent in C-130Js to lift out the spares and everything else. No sir. They had to flood Baluchistan, who in turn took it out on the Pakjabis.

Reading that article is indeed heartbreaking. Perhaps it is due to the author being a novelist that he knows how to touch his readers. However the plight of animals and children is the worst. And they are being used by what is supposedly "their own" army as if it was an occupying force. Perhaps it is, an occupying force.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 27 Aug 2010 00:36

archan wrote:Reading that article is indeed heartbreaking. Perhaps it is due to the author being a novelist that he knows how to touch his readers. However the plight of animals and children is the worst. And they are being used by what is supposedly "their own" army as if it was an occupying force. Perhaps it is, an occupying force.

The article really hammers the point that what you read or see is not always true. The whole incident of a landowner politician being made a scape goat to be used as a cover by TSPA to divert water was an eye opener. When ever you see the posts on deaf & dumb forum they are cursing the politicians and praising the jernails. Do these expat RAPES understand how TSPA is misusing their country to fill up its own coffers and since they get the largest pie in the national exchequer they naturally make more than Mr 10% & Sharif brothers. Plus as always fly under the media radar. Pakis are blaming the corruption that took place in 2005 earthquake relief money and blame sharif for it but they conviniently forget that it was Mushy and shortcut aziz who stole that money. Sharif was sitting in jeddah at that time.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 27 Aug 2010 01:05

vina wrote:Pakistan Drowning in Neglect

There was another way out — a six-hour drive west to the city of Quetta. Unfortunately, Baluch separatists had struck: they were stopping vehicles, pulling out Punjabi passengers and shooting them. Most of the men in our crew weren’t Punjabis, and they took that route. But I am a Punjabi, as are two of the reporters, and we had to find another way.

Got to give it to the Baluch, at least they give it back to the Pakjabis! The Pakjabis can send in their Army, but someday no civilian Pakjabi without Army protection can venture inside Baluchistan. Those days are gone!

If some day Baluchis learn how to use IEDs and SAMs, even the Army may not be able to go in. Baluchistan would be independent.

James B · Post by **James B** » 27 Aug 2010 01:12

Brad Goodman wrote: The article really hammers the point that what you read or see is not always true. The whole incident of a landowner politician being made a scape goat to be used as a cover by TSPA to divert water was an eye opener. When ever you see the posts on deaf & dumb forum they are cursing the politicians and praising the jernails. Do these expat RAPES understand how TSPA is misusing their country to fill up its own coffers and since they get the largest pie in the national exchequer they naturally make more than Mr 10% & Sharif brothers. Plus as always fly under the media radar. Pakis are blaming the corruption that took place in 2005 earthquake relief money and blame sharif for it but they conviniently forget that it was Mushy and shortcut aziz who stole that money. Sharif was sitting in jeddah at that time.

Arrey sirji, most of pakis on deaf and dumb fora have some one from their family (papa, chacha, mama, bayya or some other) in TSPA and naturally you will see them supporting the jernails and kernails. Most of the TSP Rapes with some military background still feel that Musharraf era was the golden era of TSP.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 27 Aug 2010 01:47

Most of the TSP Rapes with some military background still feel that Musharraf era was the golden era of TSP.

There was a senior mullah here who fancied himself as some sort of economics expert and he actually bought all those Shortcut aziz numbers hook, line and sinker. The mullah( i forget his name) spent a lot of time trying to make us SDRE kaffirs understand that the Pawki economy was doing much better than ours during the Brofet Moosa era.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 27 Aug 2010 01:58

Pakistani Christians face aid discrimination: Vatican

The Christian refugees are often ignored. They are purposely not identified and registered. Thus, they are automatically excluded from any health care or food, as they supposedly do not exist,” said a local NGO worker cited by Fides.

About 200,000 Christian refugees in the Punjab province and about 600,000 Christians and Hindus in the Sindh province are affected by the phenomenon, Fides said, citing NGO sources on the ground.

The catastrophe has affected more than 17 million people and left eight million dependent on aid to survive.

The Cat-a-strophe has affected >17 million out of which nearly a million are minorities. In a nutty nation of 98% pure momeens, the number of minorities affected by the Sailaab seems a bit queer.

saip · Post by **saip** » 27 Aug 2010 02:24

Arrey sirji, most of pakis on deaf and dumb fora have some one from their family (papa, chacha, mama, bayya or some other) in TSPA and naturally you will see them supporting the jernails and kernails. Most of the TSP Rapes with some military background still feel that Musharraf era was the golden era of TSP.

What do you know? You are 400% correct (1.2 mil out of 1.2 bill & 670K out of 170 mil). A paki being related to a fauji is 400% more likely!

Johann · Post by **Johann** » 27 Aug 2010 02:32

James B wrote:
Brad Goodman wrote: The article really hammers the point that what you read or see is not always true. The whole incident of a landowner politician being made a scape goat to be used as a cover by TSPA to divert water was an eye opener. When ever you see the posts on deaf & dumb forum they are cursing the politicians and praising the jernails. Do these expat RAPES understand how TSPA is misusing their country to fill up its own coffers and since they get the largest pie in the national exchequer they naturally make more than Mr 10% & Sharif brothers. Plus as always fly under the media radar. Pakis are blaming the corruption that took place in 2005 earthquake relief money and blame sharif for it but they conviniently forget that it was Mushy and shortcut aziz who stole that money. Sharif was sitting in jeddah at that time.
Arrey sirji, most of pakis on deaf and dumb fora have some one from their family (papa, chacha, mama, bayya or some other) in TSPA and naturally you will see them supporting the jernails and kernails. Most of the TSP Rapes with some military background still feel that Musharraf era was the golden era of TSP.

I have to agree with Brad. I've spoken to many Pakistanis who don't have family in the armed forces and who yet share that same habit of blaming political failures on civilians despite the fact that the military has always dominated.

This is a characteristic of societies that have been heavily militarised but often exercise power from behind the curtain - you saw something very similar in Germany of Kaiser and Weimar eras - the army called the shots in partnership with the industrial power houses, but put huge efforts in to diverting blame to civilian leaders.

Its an amazing scam - the more you screw up, the more the other guy gets blamed, and the faster everyone else comes running to you.

Puncturing the PA's circle of lies (especially within Pakjab) about the failure of governance is the most important things anyone can do to undermine its long-term political power within Pakistan. Pakistanis ought to feel that they can and must hold the PA most responsible for the crap they find themselves in. After all the PA has had the lion's share of resources since the 1950s, and its been calling the shots for most of the time since then....

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 27 Aug 2010 02:39

mahendra, you can bet your bottom donated dollar that the hindus and christians have been forced off the best land into the low lying flood plains and they are getting it in the musharraf now

surinder · Post by **surinder** » 27 Aug 2010 02:40

^^^ easier said than done. Because PA also brings home the bacon: it is due to PA and its rash brazenness that massive Khanate Aid flows in, or for that matter PRC & KSA aid too.

Poor governance is just a price, and it gets higher during floods, but nevertheless the price to pay for the goodies that TSPA can bring in. That a healhty society should be able to generate greater wealth is an argument not that easily made in TSP.

Johann · Post by **Johann** » 27 Aug 2010 03:12

Hi Surinder,

The PA-cultivated public cognitive dissonance is that the Army takes the credit for most progress, and the political parties take the blame for most failures. The PA must take the blame as well the credit given their power and resources.

Think about how Musharraf and the PA brass shifted blame for the debacle at Kargil from themselves to Nawaz Sharif, while Musharraf went on to crown himself saviour of Pakistan.

In the last few months Pakistani papers have come to essentially acknowledge that Kiyani is in charge, not Zardari. Yet it is Zardari who is attacked for not providing the necessary leadership after the deluge.

The PA gets to have it both ways - this is both a source and a symptom of their political power within Pakistan, but from what I've seen there are a few cracks.

James B · Post by **James B** » 27 Aug 2010 03:47

X-Post

Pranav wrote:The Right to Happiness
http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/ ... -happiness
It took just one visit to Kabul to appreciate what we take so much for granted.

I asked a man who was hanging around: “Where is Mullah Omar?”

“In Pervez Musharraf’s house in Islamabad,” he said.

We went to a restaurant for lunch and were shocked by the lack of service, sheer rudeness. Finally, it came to a point when I went up to the owner, who was sitting at the cash counter, and asked him what the hell was wrong. “Pakistani, no service,” he told me. “But we are Hindustani,” I told him. His demeanour changed miraculously. “Hindustani!” he said. “Half price, double service!” And he insisted on charging us only half of what was mentioned in the menu.

surinder · Post by **surinder** » 27 Aug 2010 04:29

Johann,

The point I am making is that PA also brings in the aid money. Practially all the AID money that flows into TSP is due to TSPA and its shenanigans. TSP can genuinely claim that they brought home the goodies. This is not an easy fact to demolish. But the point you make is valid too.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 27 Aug 2010 04:42

by Johann
The PA-cultivated public cognitive dissonance is that the Army takes the credit for most progress, and the political parties take the blame for most failures.

I would further elaborate that all the so called "democractically elected people in Pakistan" are actually planted by the NaPak Army itself. That's the reason that Pakistani army must not only be decisively defeated but disbanded for any future endeavours against peaceful people of the earth.

Japan was very much like Pakistan before WWII. Occupying many countries! thinking of themselves as TFTA raping SDREs like Koreans/Chinese/etc. Once they were thoroughly defeated at Hiroshima and Nagasaki they not only become peaceful but "messiah of peace" around the world.

So! all we need is to thoroughly defeat Pakistani army with or without nukes!!

Now the question is how do we get this point across to the non-Islamic people/press around the world?

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 27 Aug 2010 05:19

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5yNETRP ... re=related

Calling Pakistanis "Bhen****" is approved per this fatwa.

enqyoob · Post by **enqyoob** » 27 Aug 2010 05:27

Greetings, Johann.

Sorry to harass you, but have you seen any glimmer of intelligence or sense dawn in DupliCity even after the Wikileaks revelations exposing beyond all doubt that the US soldiers can see that it is the US Govt that is very effectively funding Al Qaeda aka Pakistan Army aka ISI to kill their buddies and themselves (i.e., the soldiers)?

The latest is that the floods in Pakistan are being diverted to kill poor farmers and deluge their fields, to keep the tires on the new F-16s dry.

Where is the outrage in the US establishment?

More to the point, WHY is there not even muted expression of this outrage?

I am trying to determine the answer to this

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 27 Aug 2010 05:44

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/arti ... stant?bn=1

Yes, Paki.

mnag · Post by **mnag** » 27 Aug 2010 06:06

Nandu wrote:http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/arti ... stant?bn=1

Yes, Paki.

saw a hilarious comment by some reader on WSJ news article reporting the same at http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 29444.html

Well, this loser won't get his 72 virgins in heaven, but he will be treated like a virgin 72 times in prison...

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 27 Aug 2010 06:20

archan wrote:
vina wrote:Pakistan Drowning in Neglect

Nice first hand story of PakFauj - RAPES flooding Baluchistan to save Jacobabad airbase!. Think of it. They could have just flown the F-16s to other places and sent in C-130Js to lift out the spares and everything else. No sir. They had to flood Baluchistan, who in turn took it out on the Pakjabis.
Reading that article is indeed heartbreaking. Perhaps it is due to the author being a novelist that he knows how to touch his readers. However the plight of animals and children is the worst. And they are being used by what is supposedly "their own" army as if it was an occupying force. Perhaps it is, an occupying force.

And despite the denials - here is some evidence of asking flood victims to pose:

The makeshift raft was bobbing up and down, and the man sitting on it had his legs in the yellow-brown water, which stretched around him for miles and miles like a strange sea, the tops of faraway trees sticking out of it like little islands.

“Hold it like that for five more minutes!” cried the cameraman.

I had accompanied a TV crew to this submerged village in the western Pakistani province of Baluchistan.

Now how much sympathy money can be milked if the Pak establishment directs its own photographers to do that?

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 27 Aug 2010 06:21

Get this man a Fanta

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... kistan-780

Spanta calling for sanctions on Pakbarian animals. The removal of Salleh and replacement with Spanta was sold as a 'triumph' of Kiya-nahi to Pakbarians by their jehadi media. What a fine triumph it has turned out to be!

Stan_Savljevic · Post by **Stan_Savljevic** » 27 Aug 2010 06:32

The son-in-law of Pakistan’s second highest ranking military official was abducted from his residence in Lahore today, police said.

http://telegraphindia.com/1100827/jsp/f ... 861291.jsp
From SATP:

The Ministry of Interior issued an alert for 10 politicians that they were on terrorists’ hit list, Dawn reported on August 25. The terrorists’ targets included Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz’s (PML-N) Member of National Assembly (MNA) Ahsan Iqbal and Khurram Dastagir, Minister of State for Communications Imtiaz Safdar Warraich, Defence Minister Ahmad Mukthrar and a Member of Provincial Assembly from Punjab. The Intelligence Agencies asked the Ministry of Interior to provide security to the 15 people asking them to restrict their movements and public appearance. Sources said terrorists’ plan to target politicians and renowned figures came to light after the arrest of two terrorists from Gujranwala District in Punjab few weeks ago.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 27 Aug 2010 06:36

Stan_Savljevic wrote:
The son-in-law of Pakistan’s second highest ranking military official was abducted from his residence in Lahore today, police said.
http://telegraphindia.com/1100827/jsp/f ... 861291.jsp

Maybe nothing much. I am not sure if you saw my review of Air Commodore Nosey Haider's book "Flight of the Falcon". One of the stories in that autobiographical narrative was how the man actually kidnapped and claimed for his own custody his first son who was then living with an estranged wife.

So this may be a normal - "run of the mill" occurrence in Pakistan.

In any case the kidnappers will want some money which will be paid and things will be back to what they were like before the kidnap. In this case it might be the generals family who has arranged the kidnap to squeeze money from the son in law's parents. Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 27 Aug 2010 06:40

enqyoob wrote:Greetings, Johann.
The latest is that the floods in Pakistan are being diverted to kill poor farmers and deluge their fields, to keep the tires on the new F-16s dry.

Where is the outrage in the US establishment?

More to the point, WHY is there not even muted expression of this outrage?

I am trying to determine the answer to this

(sorry was a bit of a rush job, but I felt PISSED at that fricking news!!!)

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 27 Aug 2010 06:47

What is galling about the news is the contrast with the Indian Military. We all heard and wept at the stories of Indian Air Force helicopter pilots who lost their family to the tsunami, but were flying non-stop to rescue others. Sometimes barefoot.... geez !!

That cartoon above, it is not one I wanted to ever draw again.... what a bunch of third-rate maggots!

CalvinH · Post by **CalvinH** » 27 Aug 2010 07:02

[quote="Johann]

Its an amazing scam - the more you screw up, the more the other guy gets blamed, and the faster everyone else comes running to you. [/quote]

very well said. Given the large organization and resources they are also able to respond first to natural calamity and take credit for whatever good is there whereas everything bad is blamed at government.

All this time keep the mango abdul happy with occassional equality with hindu India by detonating nuclear bombs and firing missiles.

Only a resounding defeat can crash this image. The higher one rises the harder is the fall.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 27 Aug 2010 07:06

enqyoob wrote:Where is the outrage in the US establishment?

Enqyoob, since when did the USA assume the role of conscience-keeper of the world ? If they make any statement detrimental to the ruling PPP, their own interests may be affected and so they keep quiet as the finest practitioners of realpolitik.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 27 Aug 2010 07:19

Nandu wrote:http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/arti ... stant?bn=1

Yes, Paki.

In a way I was expecting this to happen. Canada was playing with fire by importing so many pakis into their beautiful country. I wish now they sit up & tighten their immigration policies.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 27 Aug 2010 07:20

USAID: Rajiv Shah did not visit a terrorist run camp in Pakistan

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts ... n_pakistan

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 27 Aug 2010 07:21

Could we please have a dedicated place to post forum member generated cartoons on the lines of a BR photo gallery?

(will cross post in forum feedback thread)

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 27 Aug 2010 07:22

I think they are framing Rajiv Shah because of his Indian origin.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 27 Aug 2010 07:23

From the floods, Pakistan's next generation emerges

http://afpak.foreignpolicy.com/posts/20 ... on_emerges

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 27 Aug 2010 07:24

Suppiah wrote:Get this man a Fanta

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... kistan-780

Spanta calling for sanctions on Pakbarian animals. The removal of Salleh and replacement with Spanta was sold as a 'triumph' of Kiya-nahi to Pakbarians by their jehadi media. What a fine triumph it has turned out to be!

He is doing the right thing by bringing the focus back to Paki State Sponsored Terrorism, least the world in the midst of 24x7 coverage of Paki flood forgets that Pakistan is a terrorist state.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 27 Aug 2010 07:25

Johann wrote:The PA-cultivated public cognitive dissonance is that the Army takes the credit for most progress, and the political parties take the blame for most failures.

Johann, welcome back.

While certainly the PA cultivated that image, as you put it, the political leaders of the nascent Pakistan did not display any leadership or visionary qualities, thereby creating a vacuum in which the PA could easily step in with the blessings of the Western powers. A dozen Prime Ministers within ten years, dismissal of elected governments, inability to draft a Constitution, riots over religion and language that were very poorly handled etc. in a nation that had just then been formed speak of leadership failure. I would put this down to the totally disorganized Muslim League that had no vision other than getting a separate country and had never invested on any thoughts beyond that single point obsession. Also, the unscrupulous ways it adopted to achieve that goal lent itself to pulls and pressures to which it succumbed immediately thereafter. An authoritarian Jinnah, unwilling to share powers and develop a second rung of leaders, did not help the matters either. For that matter, Jinnah himself was not a particularly distinguished leader capable of running a country, but that is another matter.

The public hugely welcomed Ayub Khan in c. 1958 because, by that time, they were thoroughly dissatisfied with the sad spectacle they were seeing. This has happened every time thereafter though they would also get disenchanted with the PA after some time and the cycle would repeat.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 27 Aug 2010 07:30

We can have one thread for member created artwork in this Forum.

N^3, The flood waters were diverted to avoid Jacobabad airbase which houses US assets. How do you expect them to express outrage? And also see SSridhar's comments above.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 27 Aug 2010 07:38

SSridhar wrote: in a nation that had just then been formed speak of leadership failure. I would put this down to the totally disorganized Muslim League that had no vision other than getting a separate country and had never invested on any thoughts beyond that single point obsession.

The deeper sub text here is actually a cause for more severe denial from cognitive dissonance. The reason why people felt that having a nation for Muslims alone would succeed by itself was because they felt that Islam was perfect and the mere setting up of a nation in the name of Islam would lead to automatic success. And what was the formation of Pakistan to be called if it was not called "success"?

As Naipaul realized, failures in Pakistan would point towards failures in Islam. Islam cannot fail, it is Muslims who are not pure enough who are failing. Hence the need for more piety.

One of the things that is necessary for Pakistanis to do (in a struggle that is becoming apparent among Pakistani "liberals") is to accept failure in Pakistan without accepting failure of Islam. That would have been easy if Pakis had not spent so many years saying Pakistan==Islam.