India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 21 Apr 2012 04:46

Santorum: JFK's 1960 Speech On Religion Made Me Want To Throw Up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gf7R6KSg ... r_embedded#!
Santorum: Satan Attacking America!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=9ek ... =endscreen

( The fight between him and Khomeni /Mullahs would have been on equal intellectual level)

Roperia · Post by **Roperia** » 21 Apr 2012 05:31

Fareed Zakaria GPS - All-star panel on India, China & nukes 3:11

Interesting views!

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 22 Apr 2012 00:23

^^^ Thanks. Worth watching Stephens answer to Slaughter.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 22 Apr 2012 01:39

http://www.universalhub.com/2012/murder ... -was-india
Murdered BU grad student was from India

BU Today has identified the student found murdered early Thursday as Kanagala Seshadri Rao, a Graduate School of Management student.Rao came to Boston in September to study for a master's in mathematical finance, according to his LinkedIn page.Police have stepped up patrols in the area following his death, for which no arrests have yet been made.The Hindustan Times talked to his father, who said he had no known enemies.Condemning the incident, Odisha chief minister said: "I am deeply shocked by the brutal and savage killing of the young man studying in Boston. This is absolutely barbaric and horrible."

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 22 Apr 2012 02:14

After blackberry, next in line is Twitter, FB, YouTube

Regulate Facebook, YouTube content: India to US

Shishir Gupta, Hindustan Times

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The UPA government on Friday red-flagged the need to regulate and remove India-specific incendiary, provocative, abusive and communal content on Facebook, YouTube and Google with visiting US deputy secretary for homeland security Jane Holl Lute.
While Lute recognised the Indian concerns, the Indian team led by home secretary RK Singh said that inaction on the part of the US would force New Delhi to insist on service providers’ having servers based in the country.

As part of the ongoing homeland security dialogue, Singh and Lute discussed critical issues like megacity policing, home grown terror, capacity building and fake currency racket. A three-day course in Washington with US the Secret Service is being organised to help Indian police tackle the fake currency racket in India linked with terror funding.

However, Singh raised serious concerns over objectionable content on these websites and wanted real time action from the US-based companies. In this context, home ministry officials suggested that US homeland security department institute an operating procedure by which mala fide content is removed within a specific time period or instantly depending on the situation priority.

Singh told his US counterpart that in case operating procedures were not put in place, New Delhi will have no option but to put the service providers under the Indian law by insisting on servers being based in India. This option is apparently already in process with the union law ministry.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 22 Apr 2012 08:11

Interesting! The greedy used car salesman approach that has always characterized US foreign policy.

Part IV 'We don't need the Indians as much as they think we do'

Leading think tanks put a question mark on the India-US strategic partnership. Aziz Haniffa reports

This concludes the four-part series.

Part I: India not oversold, but over-hyped: America Inc

Part II: 'Passivity won't work for India on this trajectory'

Part III: 'US-India relationship has indeed been oversold'

In perhaps one of the most critical and acerbic appraisals in recent times of the United States-India [ Images ] relationship, a senior policy analyst at the influential Heritage Foundation -- the leading Washington, DC conservative think tank, which has had close links with the GOP hierarchy -- implied that India was taking the US for a ride.

Walter Lohman, director, Asian Studies Center, Heritage Foundation, who was a panelist at a conference titled 'Is the US-India Relationship Oversold?,' also implied that Washington was deluding itself in believing it had a strategic partnership with New Delhi.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 22 Apr 2012 08:23

These are all BS. Every time a think tank has constipation the DC based DDM make it appear India has to obey!

Once these folks get to government the realities strike them and they become docile.

So let them fulminate in cess pools, oops think tanks!

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 22 Apr 2012 08:28

He asked, "How do we know India won't take its strength in 20 years and be a problem for us? We are betting somewhere on a strategic relationship, we are betting somewhere on a strategic convergence, and unless we start seeing those convergences, it may be a bad bet."

This is too late in the international strategic relations to ask this questions about India. If they dont see India as a open democracy and the values which they want to see in their alliance then there is nothing India can do.
They may be most comfortable with Pakistan for the next 50 years.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 22 Apr 2012 08:35

Roperia wrote:Fareed Zakaria GPS - All-star panel on India, China & nukes 3:11

Interesting views!

What is Slaughter's takleef? Can she answer why the wonderful champion of democracy USA consistently supports and funds Pakistan, the champion of terrorism?

asprinzl · Post by **asprinzl** » 22 Apr 2012 08:58

A book deal wont happen. Oprah will not invite her nor any tv stations.....because this is happening under Obama's presidency and all these paragon's of liberty and human rights wont have their man (Obama) tarnished on their turf. So much for American openness....

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 22 Apr 2012 09:33

This is the answer to the think tanks.
The think tanks are doing the psy ops to create FUD and keep the Indian elite confused.

This is an extremely complicated situation:

1) China, historically, and even modern China, only has a history of trying to project power on its own borders. Since the 1500's when they were the most powerful country in the world, they have only concerned themselves with adjacent countries --- and India is on their border. They have already fought 3 minor wars with India and both countries have heavily fortified the 2100-mile border with a huge number of troops on tripwire duty.

2) Back in the Cold War, Britain prevailed on the US to choose sides with Pakistan. This was a hugely bad decision. At that time Paklistan was twice as large, including what is now Bangladesh, and was moving toward a Turkis-style progressive secular government. But since then, India has been on a "less-than-favored" country short list. Not quite an enemy, but under huge US economic and military sanctions. During the Cold War, for example, we would not allow comnputers to be exported to India which has one of the most advanced physics and math academic sectors in the world. So India cozied up to Russia to offset US arms deals with Pakistan.

3) Bangladesh broke away from Pakistan because of differences as the Muslim majority gradually took over. That cut Pakistan in half. The US has maintained good relations with Bangladesh and is currently considering a "security arrangement" with Bangladesh that would keep us involved in the region and potentially pulled into any troubles between India and China.

4) India is still very cozy with Russia and Russia wants to keep it that way. The Indian military is mostly Russian-equipped and a huge chunk of Indian trade goes to Russia as a preference. When Russia lost influence in Egypt they vowed that it would never happen in Syria and India and doubled down. Now it looks like Syria is falling apart and Russia is even more determined to keep India as a partner.

5) While there has been some relaxation in the US attitude toward India, such as relaxing some of the restrictions on nuclear powerplants and comp[uter technology exports, there are still a series of US-authored UN sanctions against India that would have to be made to go away before real normalization of relations with India. India is polite, but firm. They simply do not trust the United States and it will take decades to change that.

6) As the US pulls out of Pakistan and Afghanistan, the world will discover what India already knows. The major object of hate of those people is not the US. The "great satan" in Sub-Asia is Hindu India for Muslims. There aren't enough Christians in the region to hate --- kinda like hating Blacks in North Dakota where they have to make do with American Indians. As the US pulls out, the Pakistanis especially will refocus their venom on India. The ISI has always controlled the military and the military the ruling elite by using the issue of Kashmir. It was the Paki ISI, for example, that financed, controlled, recruited for, and executed the terrorist attack on Mumbai a couple of years back.

7) India is, like China, very resource-poor in a lot of areas. But they will be competing with China (and to a much lesser extent with Pakistan and Bangladesh) for these scarce resources. Not a good situation when you share a heavily militarized border with your economic competitor.

@Tracy,

The Indian states are composed of smaller states for the most part. There were simply so many that governance was unweildy, so there was a lot of consolidation. But Indians still consider the old states as existing because of rather massive linguistic and cultural differences.

And actually, if you look very closely: China actually claims land in every country that is adjacent to it and has has expansionist border disputes with every single adjacent country. Military historians say that China is a threat to any country it can walk to.

This is an honest reply about US sanctions against India.

Check how Russian relations with India is seen
The secret could be that to prevent Russia taking over full support of India, US is having an 'alliance' with India.

Roperia · Post by **Roperia** » 22 Apr 2012 09:57

US bid to iron out strained ties with India

The US Secretary of Defence, Leon Panetta, may visit India in June to iron out creases in bilateral ties.

The visit will be the first by a high-level official of Pentagon to India after bilateral defence ties came under stress last year following New Delhi’s decision to drop two US contenders from the fray of a contract for 126 Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft for the Indian Air Force.

Panetta will hold talks with Defence Minister A K Antony. While the dates for his visit are yet to be finalised, sources told Deccan Herald that he might also call on Prime Minister Manmohan Singh during his stay in New Delhi.

Sources said that the discussion between Panetta and Antony might include the pending deals like Logistic Support Agreement (LSA) and Communications Interoperability and Security Memorandum of Agreement (CISMOA) and Basic Exchange and Cooperation Agreement or BECA for geo-spatial ties. They would also discuss pending defence deals and explore ways to boost ties, sources added.

Panetta’s meeting with Antony will be followed by India-US strategic dialogue, which will be led by External Affairs Minister S M Krishna and his American counterpart, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

India-US defence relation was somewhat strained after New Delhi dropped F-16IN Super Viper of Lockheed Martin and F/A-18 Super Hornet of Boeing from the competition for the US $10.4 billion contract for supplying MMRCAs to the IAF.

A day after New Delhi short-listed Rafale of French Dassault Aviation and Eurofighter Typhoon of a European consortium on April 27, 2011, the then US envoy to India Timothy Roemer announced his resignation. Roemer had earlier stated that if New Delhi picked one of the two US MMRCAs, it could mark the next step in India-America strategic relations.

The Rafale of French Dassault Aviation later won the MMRCA contract.

US records regret

Though Washington put on record its disappointment over New Delhi’s decision on the MMRCA deals, the US subsequently moved to ease ties with India and focused on negotiations on other pending defence deals. The armies of the two countries held a joint exercise last month. The annual naval exercise MALABAR was held earlier this month.

Keen to lift bilateral ties out of the shadow of MMRCA setback, India and US on February 21 last had the bilateral Defence Policy Dialogue in New Delhi. Defence Secretary Shashi Kant Sharma and US Acting Under Secretary of Defence for Policy Jim Miller co-chaired the dialogue, which covered defence trade, military-to-military training and exercises as well as technical cooperation.

India and US last Monday held a political-military dialogue after a gap of six years. Joint Secretary (Americas) in the Ministry of External Affairs, Ashraf Javed, led the Indian delegation, while the American side was led by US Assistant Secretary of State for Political-Military Affairs, Andrew Shapiro. Both the delegations had representatives from the Ministry of Defence and US Department of Defence.

Why is Panetta coming to India (he is the one of the senior most lieutenants in Obama administration)?

1. Is India finally prepared to agree to some of these agreements?
2. Are we going to sign any new big deal, viz., Apache, more C-130Js etc.
3. Some joint signalling to pandas?

Else it doesn't make any sense for Panetta to fly all the way over to India to listen to St. Antony say no.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 22 Apr 2012 10:19

India lengthens its reach
http://tigerhawk.blogspot.com/2012/04/i ... reach.html

This is an important development not only for those of us who believe that the world needs a counterweight to China, but also for security in the Indian Ocean, now the most important body of water in the world. As I have been writing for years, the further development of our young but productive relationship with India is quite possibly the most important foreign policy requirement of the next five presidents of the United States.
When a good history of the George W. Bush years is finally written, his breakthrough with India may turn out to be the most important foreign policy initiative of his administration. The Indian Ocean hosts lanes for the oil from the Persian Gulf and an ever larger share of its trade, and India sits in the middle of it. It is also the geographical center of transnational Islamic terrorism. It is essential that the United States maintain a strong deterrent in the Indian Ocean, and that it preserve and enhance its ability to coerce whatever clown revue happens to be governing Pakistan at the moment. India is the key to both.
The question for the world, of course, is whether an Indian strategic nuclear deterrent is stabilizing, or destabilizing. The large and long term answer depends in part, but not entirely, on one's view of Chinese geopolitical ambitions, not just now but in a world where China might wish to exert leverage over the supply of oil coming out of the Persian Gulf. Regarding Pakistan, an Indian missile might be destabilizing if it encourages further weapons development. The last thing India (or the world) needs is a strategic arsenal in the hands of a government that might flip in to jihadi control. Presumably the Indians considered that risk, and concluded that a long-range missile would not increase Pakistan's motivation to develop its own strategic nuclear capability.

As far as strategic arsenals as 'stabilizing' forces, I think it's been pretty conclusively demonstrated (in game theory and Cold War history) that that is true IF both sides have secure second strike capability. Without that, a first strike may succeed and may even be likely to succeed so that a rational actor who sees war coming has incentive to attack preemptively with nuclear weapons.This is one of the reasons that the USSR and US signed an actual treaty forbidding the placement of nuclear-launch submarines off the coasts of one another's territory, and the Russians actually followed it; a Russian sub could theoretically set up 20 miles off the coast of Maryland and nuke the Pentagon in about two minutes. That was an unacceptable strategic risk.No such "hands off" gentleman's game is possible between Pakistan, India, and China. They are immediate neighbors. Their game takes on a whole new color.On the bright side, nuclear weapons are less dangerous long term than popular understanding thinks they are.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 22 Apr 2012 10:57

^^^More power to the walter lohman types.

Its no secret that a too-close relationship with amreeka is not in the target/victim country's interests. Certainly not for a country like ours that in a couple of generations wants to have the wherewithal to be its own 'pole' of strength and stability in the world - around which therest of asia - GCC< ASEAN, CARs etc can feel comfortable and secure.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 22 Apr 2012 11:47

http://ctamirisa.com/2012/04/21/the-ari ... tegration/

We were an interracial – me an Asian-Indian and my former spouse a white Russian – normal, well-integrated all-American nuclear family, with 2 children – a girl and a boy in private schools, well educated and well traveled, a suburban Washington, D.C., single family home, three cars, a mutually supportive marriage of 18-1/2 years, elderly parents on both sides, and extended family in the United States.

I was thrown out of my marriage and physically onto the street by the government for discovering wrong doing by the Federal Reserve in my job as a Research Systems Analyst (RSA) at grade level FR-25, and pressured to leave my tenured and pensionable government employment for the government to save public officials in high places abusing power using United States intelligence services.

I had found a job as a Business Development Manager at a DC-Area Indian-American 8(a) government contracting small business for about 10 months beginning July 2010.

If I could be rendered IDP – with full government security clearances among both members of the family and with academic and professional distinctions between me and my former spouse and superior references at my former place of government employment, the Federal Reserve – for doing my job in government, behaving per the code of conduct expected of long term regular civil servants of the United States, what about those who are not me should they protest government misconduct?

III

The Arithmetic

If I could be rendered IDP in the United States because of social tensions, having lost my entire life, first as a non-immigrant foreign student and then as an immigrant since 1990, I began to think about other countries and about relations between countries where distaste for social integration is on the rise since September 11, 2001 (I, despite being among only very few American employees of the Fed of Asian-Indian origin, had played a crucial role in employee relations with the management of the Federal Reserve Board after 9/11).

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 22 Apr 2012 19:30

Raja Bose wrote:
What is Slaughter's takleef? Can she answer why the wonderful champion of democracy USA consistently supports and funds Pakistan, the champion of terrorism?

Come on boss, if you have followed her rants before, you will realize she is one of those All American chics, and in her case, quite brainy and articulate who will do shastaanga namaskara before the "founding fathers", recites "American exceptionalism" doctrine 5 times a day like devout Muslims recite the Quaran, wear panties with pictures of US flag on it, and in her mind there are no other national interests except those of US and its white European lackeys (including Israel). So when viewed from her vantage point, she cannot fathom how us SDREs, starving, crapping on the street etc can forgo a relationship with US by not doing as US says or helping US in its national objectives; and testing a missile at a time when US is ganging up on Iran and NK. Furthermore, India TSP equal equal onlee is etched in her ossified mind, how can she even even consider the thought that US is doing anything wrong to India by propping up TSP, after all, both India and Paaaaakistaaaan are US boys.

BTW: before people celebrate this Bret dude, think again. He is an uber hawk, and his pro-India sentiments can turn hawkish in a heartbeat if tomorrow republicans were in the cockpit and India does something that pisses them off. In other words, his soothing comments are not reflective on any genuine understanding of India or the threats it faces. And also notice, he says India has a better record than Iran and NK. Thank you very much. How condescending. Notice how he does not include TSP among the rouges, presumably because TSP is USA's Munna.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 22 Apr 2012 22:31

CRamS wrote:
What is Slaughter's takleef? Can she answer why the wonderful champion of democracy USA consistently supports and funds Pakistan, the champion of terrorism?

Come on boss, if you have followed her rants before, you will realize she is one of those All American chics, and in her case, quite brainy and articulate who will do shastaanga namaskara before the "founding fathers", recites "American exceptionalism" doctrine 5 times a day like devout Muslims recite the Quaran, wear panties with pictures of US flag on it, and in her mind there are no other national interests except those of US and its white European lackeys (including Israel). So when viewed from her vantage point, she cannot fathom how us SDREs, starving, crapping on the street etc can forgo a relationship with US by not doing as US says or helping US in its national objectives; and testing a missile at a time when US is ganging up on Iran and NK. Furthermore, India TSP equal equal onlee is etched in her ossified mind, how can she even even consider the thought that US is doing anything wrong to India by propping up TSP, after all, both India and Paaaaakistaaaan are US boys.

I have figured out that this version and attitude towards India is the only one they can come up with since they do not have any other way to define a hostile view of India. There are other things they find difficult due to global image of India.

The Indian position outside the nuclear treaty and armament regimes is the advantage they can use.

Roperia · Post by **Roperia** » 23 Apr 2012 13:44

U.S. Chief of Naval Operations on a five-day visit to India to discuss ways to strengthen ties

On a five-day visit to India, U.S. Chief of Naval Operations Admiral Jonathan Greenert will discuss a range of issues with his counterparts to strengthen joint training and mutual cooperation between the two navies and meet the top brass of the Defence Ministry here.

“Admiral Greenert will be visiting some of the important Naval offices in the country and will interact with the top officials of the Indian Navy. Today he will call on Defence Minister A.K. Antony and Defence Secretary Shashikant Sharma,” Navy officials said here. He will also meet the three Service chiefs.

The visit by the top United States officer is taking place a week after the navies of India and the U.S. concluded their 10-day long Malabar-series exercise in the Bay of Bengal.

After interacting with the top brass here, Admiral Greenert will visit the Western Naval Command at Mumbai and meet its Flag Officer Commanding-in-Chief Vice Admiral D.K. Joshi and Fleet Commander Rear Admiral Girish Luthra.

“In Mumbai, he will also go to the Mazagon Dockyard Limited (MDL) and from there he will proceed to Goa where he will visit INS Hansa Naval base and will meet Flag Officer Naval Aviation (FONA) Rear Admiral Sudhir Pillai,” they said.

From Goa, Admiral Greenert will go to Karvar, which is a major hub of the navy’s training activities and will meet the Flag Officer Karvar Area Rear Admiral Atul Jain.

The visit will culminate at Cochin where the Admiral will interact with Southern Naval Commander Vice Admiral K.N. Sushil.

“During the visit, Admiral Greenert will discuss a range of issues such as ways to strengthen joint training and mutual cooperation between the navies of U.S. and India,” the officials said.

D Roy · Post by **D Roy** » 23 Apr 2012 19:30

A new nonsense that is being spouted by a budding "expert" of Indian origin but of course located in Yamrika relates to whether India should progress on MIRVs or not.

I think a group of younger and more "astute" NPAs are being primed by the Goras who are more "cognizant" of India's compulsions but still cannot resist telling India where it should not tread.

Once we have assured countervalue MAD with the Chicoms, I think we should sign a full blow tripartite RIC treaty. I think sections of the Chicoms have also started thinking on these lines. Only when you have MAD can you be friends without giving a DAM.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 24 Apr 2012 09:30

U.S. Nods to India’s Closing Missile Gap with China
http://blog.heritage.org/2012/04/23/u-s ... ith-china/

India’s successful test of the Agni-V, a nuclear-capable long-range missile, is a major step forward for New Delhi in attaining nuclear deterrence against regional rival China. The lack of U.S. condemnation of India’s latest missile test demonstrates that the U.S. is comfortable with Indian progress in the nuclear and missile fields and appreciates India’s need to meet the emerging strategic challenge posed by rising China.It is telling that no country has criticized India’s missile test. The U.S. State Department simply called on all nuclear-capable states to exercise restraint but also noted India’s solid record on nonproliferation and its cooperation with the international community on nuclear issues. This is a far cry from Washington’s position on Indian ballistic missile development throughout the 1990s, when Washington pressured New Delhi to modify its nuclear and missile posture.The new U.S. stance also demonstrates a welcome evolution in U.S. nonproliferation policy. While some may view this evolution as a step away from U.S. nonproliferation commitments, this is not necessarily the case. What it recognizes is that U.S. nonproliferation policy should not be a one-way street, where potentially aggressive, non-status quo powers like China build up their nuclear and ballistic missile forces, and the U.S. responds by criticizing its friends and allies for responding to the emerging threat. It is a paradox, but nonetheless true, that sometimes the best option for confronting proliferation is to prepare to respond in kind. From this perspective, the Chinese, in large measure, have themselves to blame for this missile test by India.In turn, this responsive approach raises the question of how the U.S. should pursue nonproliferation goals in South Asia looking forward. First, it needs to account for the fact that it is pursuing these goals under a circumstance where proliferation has already taken place, and should create incentives for both China and India (==) to walk back their nuclear and missile programs. The goal should be to encourage both sides to adopt more defensive strategic postures, as opposed to relying on first strike and retaliatory nuclear options.

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 24 Apr 2012 11:22

With eye on India, Brazil, Obama mulls easing arms export curbs

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In January last year, the US demonstrated it was serious about doing business with India and stimulating new sales by dismantling technology restrictions that were slapped on India after it tested nuclear weapons in 1998. The US eased restrictions on “dual-use technology” or hi-tech products that can have military applications in recognition of the two countries’ stronger economic and national security ties.

The move realigned India’s standing in the US export control regime by removing it from several country groups associated with proliferation concerns. It added India instead to a more favorable category consisting of members of the Missile Technology Control Regime.

The measure removed several Indian space and defence-related organisations from the US Entity List, which imposes extra export licensing requirements on foreign groups. Bharat Dynamics Limited, four subordinates of India’s Defence Research and Development Organisation and four subordinates of the All Indian Space Research Organisation were removed from the Entity List.
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VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 24 Apr 2012 11:50

Cross Posting from the Missiles thread

'US appreciates India closing missile gap with China'

WASHINGTON: The lack of US condemnation of India's latest missile test demonstrates that the Washington appreciates India's need to meet the emerging strategic challenge posed by rising China, according to two US scholars.

It also shows "US is comfortable with Indian progress in the nuclear and missile fields", Lisa Curtis, senior research fellow for South Asia, and Baker Spring, research fellow in National Security Policy, at The Heritage Foundation, a conservative thinktank said in a commentary.

"India's successful test of the Agni-V, a nuclear-capable long-range missile, is a major step forward for New Delhi in attaining nuclear deterrence against regional rival China," they said calling it as "telling that no country has criticised India's missile test."

Curtis and Spring also noted that the US State Department simply called on all nuclear-capable states to exercise restraint and underlined India's solid record on non-proliferation and its cooperation with the international community on nuclear issues.

"This is a far cry from Washington's position on Indian ballistic missile development throughout the 1990s, when Washington pressured New Delhi to modify its nuclear and missile posture," they said suggesting "the new US stance also demonstrates a welcome evolution in US non-proliferation policy."

"The US change in position with regard to Indian missile capabilities demonstrates how far the US-India relationship has evolved over the last decade," Curtis and Spring said.

"Now the US views India as a strategic partner with growing economic and political clout that will contribute to promoting security and stability in Asia."

Yogi_G · Post by **Yogi_G** » 24 Apr 2012 19:03

Coincidental to the post A-5 launch scenario?

US sets up spy agency to focus on threats from Asian powers

D Roy · Post by **D Roy** » 24 Apr 2012 22:21

Don't forget that Panetta has not once but twice referred to India as a threat in the same breath as China.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 24 Apr 2012 22:34

He goofs up though.. but a nice strategy for our external affairs to note down.. goof up, and then come back say sorry.. but, we will never do it. We have more matured buddas at helm than the khaans., so such goof ups are less likely. SD has reiterated close ties with India.

If khaan likes to be friends, and on our terms, why not?

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 24 Apr 2012 22:36

D Roy wrote:Don't forget that Panetta has not once but twice referred to India as a threat in the same breath as China.

They will never see other countries and other races as freinds. There could be common interest with other state but it will change over time. Other states are seen as long term threat and large states are their worry. The last 200 years was used to split the world and the people into tiny nations into total countries of 150+.
This is the kind of focus they have on the rest of the world.

D Roy · Post by **D Roy** » 24 Apr 2012 22:37

He goofs up though

You don't goof up at that level. Not when the person in question was first intel chief and then def sec.

and he has done it twice. it will be unwise to dismiss it out of hand and only look at what the SD is saying.

when it comes to yamrika Cee why yeah and Pita-gaon is what matters.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 24 Apr 2012 23:08

No one is goofing here. Neither US nor India. US has made it clear that India is a threat to its long term strategic interests and India is wise enough not to be clear that US is a threat to Indian interests even in the short term. India will align with countries with independent foreign policies like France and Russia. All the strategic partnership and common interests is just hot air and both the sides know it. More Chai-biskoot or you can say Burger-soda.
India has a deep partnership with Russia which both India and US conveniently ignore when sitting across the table. US is not blind to not see Russian partnership with India on SSBNs, BrahMos, Chandrayan-2, FGFA and future projects like space station. There is simply no room for US while India has such deep understanding with Russia at such high level.
If US wants to replace Russia,It must show its sincerity to India. It must be willing to lease B-2 bombers to India, as a good will gesture.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 24 Apr 2012 23:56

I don't think we need b2s from unkill.. of course it is nice to have, and a booster to our delivery system especially, if they think of allying against chippanda.

B2 will be a direct provocation for the chips however.. I am sure India can work with the russkies and france for a joint venture on home grown b2s. after pakfa, pakda should be it.

And why pay millions for bugs that comes with in.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 25 Apr 2012 05:53

Yogi_G wrote:Coincidental to the post A-5 launch scenario?

US sets up spy agency to focus on threats from Asian powers

That means they have given up on the social science based intelligence agencies when faced with extreme challenges. Its a reversion to miliary based agencies just as Abwher, MI6, GRU and other military agencies.
The Cold War is really over and intelligence is too serious to be left to spies.

Its a back to the future move.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 25 Apr 2012 09:40

As I've said on the N-thread,the US wants the details and promises made by MMS on the N-deal wrapped up asap before doomsday strikes the Cong/UPA-2.The control over India's N-programmes by expensive dollops of N-fuel for a century+,and US N-tech (without the N-liability bill passed by Parliament),is the key issue that the US wants desperately.Integrating the iIndian armed forces into the US's gameplan for Asia ,to counter China the second.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 25 Apr 2012 22:17

http://www.businessinsider.com/indian-d ... ack-2012-4
Indian Doctors Headed To The US To Study Will Have To Legally Swear They're Going Back

You know that doctor with the hard to pronounce name? He may be the last one you see for awhile -- which means hospitals in undesirable middle America locations could soon find themselves short of staff. India's health minister said Monday that any doctor going to the US for additional study will have to sign a bond promising to return to India after completing the program, the Indian Express reports. In the last three years, 3,000 doctors went abroad for studies and did not return. Now if a student does not come back from the US, he will not be allowed to practise there,” the Express quoted Minister of Health and Family Welfare Ghulam Nabi Azad as saying. The announcement follows a demand from the US that the Indian government should give a no-objection certificate (NOC) before the enrollment of a student in a US university, which would allow the Indian government to ask the US to deny a student permission to practice in the States if he or she didn't honor the terms of the bond. It's hard to argue with the logic.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 25 Apr 2012 22:40

To add perspective, I forgot the firangi link (actually off BR's missile thread I guess), that listed out what important people said post A5. One of the last in the list was BJP chief, among various other distinguished personalities like Dr. Saraswat, etc. [they ignored MMS]

Now, that should say something about the fears etc.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 25 Apr 2012 22:56

ramana wrote:
Yogi_G wrote:Coincidental to the post A-5 launch scenario?

US sets up spy agency to focus on threats from Asian powers

That means they have given up on the social science based intelligence agencies when faced with extreme challenges. Its a reversion to miliary based agencies just as Abwher, MI6, GRU and other military agencies.
The Cold War is really over and intelligence is too serious to be left to spies.

Its a back to the future move.

Social science based meaning? Peace corps etc.?

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 26 Apr 2012 04:31

The entire network of leftist in India, education system - left leaning in India and India studies program in the western universities was an elaborate spying system which gave steady information to the western govts. This system was in place since 1977 onwards.
They could penetrate the media and create movement against the nationalists and other leaders who needed to be taken care. After 2003 they are relying on the EJ network. Kundakolum agitation is the major result of this.

Yayavar · Post by **Yayavar** » 26 Apr 2012 05:27

Very interesting data point. A person I recently met described a church member of his who runs a school in Goa with the intention of getting the students into the government. Sounds quite subversive...I refrained from asking this person if he would condone someone else from another country tutoring folks to join his govt. So, there is private/individual effort through the religious channels alright.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 26 Apr 2012 09:07

...and the huge batches of teary-eyed NGOs supporting the "human rights" of the Maoists.It is most important to note that our former Naxals are now being labelled as "Maoists",which is not a coincidence given the new direction and sustained support being given to them
by the PRC.The western NGOs are complicating the situ,to make the heartland of India ungovernable just as they made the north-eastern parts of Sri Lanka a de-facto LTTE run state.As many commentators have pointedly said so on media channels,including former Army chiefs and senior generals,a sustained military/para-military campaign must be waged now with sufficient forces/manpower to achieve results,based upon a clear strategy.A weak ungovernable India becomes an easy hunting ground for robber-barons and vested interests who seek to exploit the situ by their intrusive interference in Indian policy-making.

One Q that needs to an answer after due examination.Are the western supported NGOs supporting the Maoists to the hilt in order to raise the bogey of Chinese mischief in India? That the Chinese are actively supporting the Maoists as they did in Nepal is not an issue.It is a fact.The aim of the NGOs appears to be diabolic-to prevent the Indian state from taking serious military action to sanitise the affected areas,paralysing our decision-making,thus enlargening the Chinese internal-as well as external threat to the nation,forcing us to take an even stronger anti-Chinese attitude which fits in well with US intentions.The last para in Kaplan's report on the Indo-Sino rivalry by Stratfor illustrates this well.

India and the United States are not formal allies. The Indian political establishment, with its nationalistic and leftist characteristics, would never allow for that. Yet, merely because of its location astride the Indian Ocean in the heart of maritime Eurasia, the growth of Indian military and economic power benefits the United States since it acts as a counter-balance to a rising Chinese power; the United States never wants to see a power as dominant in the Eastern Hemisphere as it itself is in the Western Hemisphere. That is the silver lining of the India-China rivalry: India balancing against China, and thus relieving the United States of some of the burden of being the world's dominant power.

Read more: The India-China Rivalry by Robert D. Kaplan | Stratfor

rkirankr · Post by **rkirankr** » 26 Apr 2012 17:02

One newbie kind of question: Aren't there any fissures in the US which can be exploited to keep them busy in their own country?

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 26 Apr 2012 20:09

rkirankr wrote:One newbie kind of question: Aren't there any fissures in the US which can be exploited to keep them busy in their own country?

The right question how much you are willing to invest(in terms of time,money and research) for exploiting these fissures

abhischekcc · Post by **abhischekcc** » 26 Apr 2012 23:44

There are lots of fissures in the US , and the locals already spend billions of dollars on 'managing' the other groups.

What exactly do you want to achieve by spending more money?