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Pakistani Youth Visiting China Sees Jewish Conspiracy Everywhere, Writes In Urdu Daily: 'On The Advice Of The Jews, China Was Opened For The World' :shock:


In the article published by Roznama Islam, an Urdu-language Pakistani daily, Iqbal blames the Jews for
the transformation of Chinese culture and advances an antisemitic conspiracy theory that the Jews are pushing China to fight against the Islamic world.

"My Mind Got A Jolt When I Witnessed A Culture, Totally European And American, And Rather Even Worse Than That; Men And Women Were Clothed In Tight Jeans; Scenes Of Shamelessness Got My Mind Spinning"
:shock:
"The Jews Entered The American Mind And Imposed An Unending Series Of Wars On Muslims"; "The Jews Are In The Race/Machinations To Take The Next Emerging Super Power, China, On The Same Lines"
:evil:
"Movies worth billions of dollars are being made to prove that Muslims are a danger to China and are distributed in China with Chinese subtitles. The Chinese watch these movies eagerly at shops, hotels, shopping centers and all places, and their consequences have started emerging. The Iraq and Afghan wars have been made the subject of these movies, showing how essential it was to attack these Muslim countries, and if these attacks were not carried out China too could be in dangers. Anyway, hatred for Muslims is growing here.
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Comments: After reading this piece, I suggest more exchanges of such kind to promote Chini- Paki friendship :rotfl:
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China's anti-muslim behavior needs to make it into Pakistan and shown on CDs etc -- that will put the spanner in China's deep and tall relationship with Pakistan. Allah will provide for such eventualities surely.
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Liberal :?: Pakistani Cartoonist Sabir Nazar Offers Satirical Insights Into Pakistani Mass Consciousness, Challenges Conspiracy Theories And Religious Orthodoxy
On U.S.'s Use Of Pakistan's Islamic Sharia Law To Extricate CIA Agent Raymond Davis From Murder Case In Lahore: "Shall We Expect Another Sharia-Based Solution Aka Raymond Davis-Style!"
"European tourists who come to Al-Absurdistan shall wear shalwar kameez [loose trouser and shirt worn by Pakistani men], and should not drink or kiss in public as that would hurt the sensibilities of Al-Absurdistanis [i.e. the Pakistanis]. But a ban on the veil in Europe is against human rights and symbolic of Islamophobia in the West."[5]
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Comments: As long as his " satirical humour" is confined to the English speaking press (< 1.00% of readership ), he is OK; otherwise, if he" expands his operations" to the aam abduls via the vernacular press, ( for mass appeal ) then he may become another Sabeen or Saleem Shahzad !
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This UAE announcement about mars program could also be a cover for "developing missiles" pakistan style, where 150 highly trained engineers paint Chinese missiles and pretend it was all a by-product of their "mars program". Chinese/NoKo/Pakistani/someoneelse maybe starting their missile proliferation to the UAE. This sudden urge for UAE to go to mars is pretty interesting, so soon after US's deal with Iran.
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To the tune of "America" by Simon and Garfunkel:

Counting on the Toyotas on the Karakoram Highway..
We've all come to blow up the whole of China
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the UAE press release itself talks nothing of launchers just alludes it will be the payload and what it will do.

even KSA is nowhere near being able to design a SLV , I think they can barely read the mandarin instructions and fire off their CSS2 in the general direction of iran.

what kind of product needing precision manufacturing is made in KSA and UAE? almost no electrical, electronic, aerospace, ships, automobile industry. and wherever any precision is needed like in oil industry its run by indians in the middle and a few goras at the top(Indians at top would be H&D loss but goras are acceptable) and a few do-nothing saudi managers appointed by political decree and guangxi.

my room mate works in one of the sheikhdoms in gas sector and was laughing at his arab colleagues they shiver in fear when any complex math type work comes up while he has to save their backsides and interact with their geo data analysis vendor
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Meanwhile, some sane advice to the Saudis from Pakistan.
Saudi Arabia needs to keep an eye on its borders. The Houthi rebels have taken their fight to the border between Yemen and the Kingdom, firing mortars into Saudi territory, killing three people and capturing five soldiers. This is the first time the Houthi militants have attacked across the border and one fears it will not be the last. This attack shows that the rebels have the ability to target Saudi soil despite the fact that they have been taking a beating in airstrikes led by none other than Saudi Arabia. It is ironic that the airstrikes conducted by a coalition of Arab states were carried out to keep Saudi Arabia (and the region) ‘safe’ from the conflict in Yemen but it has ended up creating more trouble and potential threat for itself. Whilst Saudi Arabia decided to support ousted President Hadi and used his toppling by the Houthi rebels as a reason to strike against Yemen, it should have thought about the very real danger of a spillover into its own territory. The Kingdom described the Houthi onslaught on its territory as “aggression”, but now it seems to be learning the real meaning of the word with the war coming home to torment it. The airstrikes against Yemen were conducted under the guise of the UN Security Council (UNSC) resolution, which recognises deposed President Hadi as the head of state of Yemen. However, that resolution does not, under any circumstances, give Saudi Arabia the right to intervene with force in Yemen’s internal conflict.
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^^
By calling it `aggression` the Saudis could be making grounds for demanding troops from Puakistan. If it still dithers then they will know what a gem of a `friend` they have got. Interesting days ahead.
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Saudi proposes ceasefire - AFP, The Hindu
Saudi Arabia has proposed a five-day ceasefire in Yemen to allow aid deliveries, and the U.S. called on the Iran-backed Huthi rebels to accept the offer.

Foreign Minister Adel al-Jubeir, whose country is leading a coalition conducting air strikes on the Yemen rebels, announced the proposal after talks with visiting U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry.

Mr. Jubeir said he had informed his American counterpart of “the kingdom’s idea of a five-day ceasefire in Yemen to coordinate with international organisations to deliver aid to Yemen if the Huthis and their allies commit to this and do not carry out acts of aggression”. The date for its start “will soon be set,” he added.

Mr. Kerry said he agreed that “this ceasefire is conditioned on Huthis.” “We strongly urge the Huthis and those [who] back them... to use all their influence not to miss this major opportunity to address the needs of the Yemeni people and find a peaceful way forward,” Mr. Kerry told reporters in Riyadh.
Face saving manouevere with some US help also?
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This UAE announcement about mars program could also be a cover for "developing missiles" pakistan style, where 150 highly trained engineers paint Chinese missiles and pretend it was all a by-product of their "mars program". Chinese/NoKo/Pakistani/someoneelse maybe starting their missile proliferation to the UAE...
Is this khan's master plot (along with Eye-ran deal) to help the region graduate from soosai to mijjiles? No one wants to puts boots/slippers on the grounds. Are the new toys are going to empower moolahs into rapid shelf-distruction?

(Human Rights Watch)
Yemen: Saudi-Led Airstrikes Used Cluster Munitions
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ramana wrote: They are working on Ballistic Missile technology.

Means KSA is no longer relying on Chinese missiles & TSP nukes for their detergent.
They are not building a launcher, just the space probe I would assume.

The space probe itself will probably be built with a ton of technical assistance from abroad.

Whether it ends up being a screw turning assembly exercise for them or an actual R&D project where they build things themselves remains to be seen.
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They will use space program as cover for a Ballistic Missile program. UAE is relatively advanced, they made Ashok Leyland setup a plant, own rights on Block 60 F16...they are tepidly prepping for a post oil future
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In 2009, a secret WikiLeaks cable signed off by US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton reads, in part: "Donors in Saudi Arabia constitute the most significant source of funding to Sunni terrorist groups worldwide…Saudi Arabia remains a critical financial support base for al-Qaeda, the Taliban, LeT (Laskhar-e Taiba), and other terrorist groups…It has been an ongoing challenge to persuade Saudi officials to treat terrorist financing emanating from Saudi Arabia as a strategic priority.”
saudi complicity.
A few months later, US Vice President Joe Biden painted an updated picture of Saudi complicity in terror:

“Our allies in the region were our largest problem in Syria. The Turks…the Saudis, the Emiratis, etc. What were they doing? They were so determined to take down Assad and essentially have a proxy Sunni-Shia war…they poured hundreds of millions of dollars and tens, thousands of tons of weapons into anyone who would fight against Assad except that the people who were being supplied were al-Nusra and Al-Qaeda and the extremist elements of jihadis coming from other parts of the world.”
and the US of A is in it for money....
In all the current military theaters in the Middle East where extremist Sunni militants are waging wars against Arab populations, the United States is engaged militarily on the same side as the Saudis – to fight the very militancies created by the Saudis.
In the first year of the Arab uprisings, the US Congress approved $67 billion of arms sales to Riyadh – the largest in history - while the British and French keep vying with each other to sell billions more.
Maybe Washington’s main interest is to enable its Saudi proxy to keep a lid on Arab populations, via destabilization if necessary, so that popular Arab sentiments remain unrealized.

Because, under any circumstances other than the Arab realization of self-determination, the Saudi-Wahhabi-western alliance can chug on, unimpeded.


article from RT
http://rt.com/op-edge/256561-sunni-thre ... xM.twitter
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Yemen cant just simmer forever -- 100s of air strikes every day. Its a cost neither KSA nor Yemen can bear.

Aden isnt becoming KSA anytime soon. Sooner or later the fight must move north and north-east. With oman neutral and the US blockading ports, the yemenis have no other choice but to create noise on the ground. Its a matter of time, those dying in these air strikes ought to have relatives unhappy about it. Whos troops will follow them back in yemen?
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Saudi Arabia considers nuclear weapons to contain Iran
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/ ... 431092418/
RIYADH, Saudi Arabia, May 8 (UPI) -- Saudi Arabia, considering Iran's potential 10-year limitation on nuclear weapons development, is looking into a nuclear weapons program of its own, officials say.
Although a nuclear-free Middle East has long been a part of Saudi policy, its leaders are convinced Iran will eventually become a nuclear power, and there are calls within Saudi Arabia to start a development program to match Iran's potential nuclear capability. Saudi Arabia's King Salman, after a summit meeting this week of Gulf nations, warned that the proposed deal between Iran and the United States, which limits Iranian nuclear development but assigns ban expiry date of ten years, risks "plunging the region into an arms race."Saudi fears of an increase in Iranian influence is worsened by the potential of lifting economic sanctions against Iran by the West, freeing over $100 billion in frozen overseas assets."Our allies aren't listening to us, and this is what is making us extremely nervous," said Prince Faisal bin Saud bin Abdulmohsen of Riyadh's King Faisal Center for Research and Islamic Studies. "If I am basing my judgment on the track record and our experience with Iran, I will say they will do anything in their power to get a nuclear weapon. A delay of 10 years is not going to satiate anything."While Iran has ties to Russia, Saudi Arabia, which has already begun a civilian nuclear program, can gain nuclear knowledge from France, which has become a close ally.Pakistan, a fellow Sunni-majority Muslim country, already has nuclear weapons capability, and another ally, Jordan, has available uranium, the Wall Street Journal noted Friday.
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^^ However do they get such potent hashish into print? Wouldnt simply saying "we want monoply on oil dollars, and you can set the market price" be better?

Every prince bin something of the other tries to pass gass as if it were the new KSA itter. Sure, todin Yemen, tomorrow nukular arms+who?

KSA isnt getting shit from France as far as nukes are concerned. Them israelis wont be pleased. And as for bakistani takniki, they are already constrained in what they do with their nukes. shipping them seems to be a big nono. Todin mecca, tomorrow lundun or neu yolk. KSA can suck it as far as nukilar takniki is concerned.

They will have better luck funding the republicans as far as controlling iran is concerned. already there are bills about how congress will control the iran agreement language, and what could cause a snap back, and so on. And the next republican president in 17 will put a rest to all this nonsense anyway. Obama got cuba. He should be happy. Iran is a tougher nut, and NK is trully nutty.
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http://news.yahoo.com/saudi-shells-poun ... 35229.html

Yemen is firing rockets into Saudi Arabia.
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Saudi Arabia Says King Won’t Attend Meetings in U.S. - Helene Cooper, NYT
Saudi Arabia announced on Sunday that its new monarch, King Salman, would not be attending meetings at the White House with President Obama or a summit gathering at Camp David this week, in an apparent signal of its continued displeasure with the administration over United States relations with Iran, its rising regional adversary.

As recently as Friday, the White House said that King Salman would be coming to “resume consultations on a wide range of regional and bilateral issues,” according to Eric Schultz, a White House spokesman.

But on Sunday, the state-run Saudi Press Agency said that the king would instead send Crown Prince Mohammed bin Nayef, the Saudi interior minister, and Deputy Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, the defense minister. The agency said the summit meeting would overlap with a five-day cease-fire in Yemen that is scheduled to start on Tuesday to allow for the delivery of humanitarian aid.

Arab officials said they viewed the king’s failure to attend the meeting as a sign of disappointment with what the White House was willing to offer at the summit meeting as reassurance that the United States would back its Arab allies against a rising Iran.

King Salman is expected to call Mr. Obama on Monday to talk about his last-minute decision not to attend the summit meeting, a senior administration official said on Sunday.

The official said that when the king met Secretary of State John Kerry in Riyadh last week, he indicated that he was looking forward to coming to the meeting. But on Friday night, after the White House put out a statement saying Mr. Obama would be meeting with King Salman in Washington, administration officials received a call from the Saudi foreign minister that the king would not be coming after all.

There was “no expression of disappointment” from the Saudis, said the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly. “If one wants to snub you, they let you know it in different ways,” the official said.

But administration officials said that the Arab officials had pressed for a defense treaty with the United States pledging to defend them if they came under external attack. But that was always going to be difficult, as such treaties — similar to what the United States has with Japan — must be ratified by Congress.

Instead Mr. Obama is prepared to offer a presidential statement, one administration official said, which is not as binding and which future presidents may not have to honor.

The Arab nations are also angry, officials and experts said, about comments Mr. Obama recently made in an interview with The New York Times, in which he said allies like Saudi Arabia should be worried about internal threats — “populations that, in some cases, are alienated, youth that are underemployed, an ideology that is destructive and nihilistic, and in some cases, just a belief that there are no legitimate political outlets for grievances.”

The Arab countries would also like to buy more weapons from the United States, but that also faces a big obstacle — maintaining Israel’s military edge. The United States has long put restrictions on the types of weapons that American defense firms can sell to Arab nations, in an effort to ensure that Israel keeps a military advantage against its traditional adversaries in the region.

That is why, for instance, the administration has not allowed Lockheed Martin to sell the F-35 fighter jet, considered to be the jewel of America’s future arsenal, to Arab countries. The plane, the world’s most expensive weapons project, has stealth capabilities and has been approved for sale to Israel.
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KSA Lacks Real Army to Invade Yemen: 10,000 Saudi Soldiers Fled Bases
http://www.almanar.com.lb/english/adeta ... &fromval=1
Other reports also said that over 10,000 soldiers from different Saudi military units have fled the army battalions and the National Guard, accordiing to the Global Research.
Meanwhile, a Moroccan F16 was downed by houthi militia,its pilot killed!
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/12/world ... -news&_r=0

africa style mass emigration from BD and Rohingiya region of myanmar has started...
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Singha wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/12/world ... -news&_r=0

africa style mass emigration from BD and Rohingiya region of myanmar has started...
This is a tragic yet unavoidable solution.

These people are really tough. They are kicking down the door on all the separatists and safeguarding their dharmic heritage.

They are also flexing their muscles on the Chinese.
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King Salman, Obama discuss Camp David summit
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/mi ... mmit-.html
Saudi King Salman bin Abdulaziz discussed Sunday the upcoming Camp David summit with his U.S. President Barack Obama, the Saudi Press Agency reported.King Salman expressed his regret at not being able to attend the summit and said he was sending Crown Prince Mohammed bin Nayef and Deputy Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman to represent the kingdom.During the phone conversation, both leaders emphasized the strength of the two countries’ partnership and agreed to continue their close consultations on a wide range of regional and international issues.They also agreed on the necessity of working closely, along with other GCC states, to resolve regional conflicts, according to a statement issued by the White House.Regarding Yemen, Obama welcomed Saudi Arabia’s announcement of a ceasefire and both leaders agreed on the need to address the urgent humanitarian situation in the war-torn country.The American leader reiterated his coutry's commitment to defend the security of Saudi Arabia from any external aggression.Speaking about Iran, the two men stressed the importance of a comprehensive agreement between the P5+1 and the Islamic Republic that would ensure the peaceful nature of Iran’s nuclear program.
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Syria's Mercenaries: The Afghans Fighting Assad's War

http://www.spiegel.de/international/wor ... 32869.html

excerpts on how Hazara Afghans end up fighting in Syria
The Assad family dictatorship is running out of soldiers and is becoming increasingly reliant on mercenaries. Indeed, from the very beginning the Assad regime had an opponent that it could never really defeat: Syria's demography.

In order to prevent the collapse of Syrian government forces, experienced units from the Lebanese militia Hezbollah began fighting for Assad as early as 2012. Later, they were joined by Iranians, Iraqis, Pakistanis and Yemenis -- Shiites from all over, on which the regime is increasingly dependent. But the longer the war continues without victory, the more difficult it has become for Assad's allies to justify the growing body count. In 2013, for example, Hezbollah lost 130 fighters as it captured the city of Qusair and has lost many more than that trying to hold on to it. Indeed, Hezbollah has begun writing "traffic accident" as the cause of death on death certificates of its fighters who fall in Syria.

The Iraqis have almost all returned home. Rather than fighting themselves, they largely control the operations from the background. The Iraqi militia Asa'ib Ahl al-Haq, for example, organizes the deployment of Pakistani volunteers in Syria. But no ethnic group is represented on all of the regime's fronts to the degree that the Afghan Hazara are. Exact numbers are hard to come by, but some 700 of them are thought to have lost their lives in Aleppo and Daraa alone. What's worse, most of them don't come completely on their own free will.

Up to 2 million Hazara live in Iran, most of them as illegal immigrants. It is an inexhaustible reservoir of the desperate, from which the Pasdars -- as Iran's Revolutionary Guards are called -- have recruited thousands for the war in Syria over the last year and a half.

Forty-five year old Murad Ali Hamidi, the man who is now sitting in the Aleppo prison, was previously a farmer in the northern Afghanistan village of Chaharzad Khane, or "400 houses". He had a small field measuring 50 meters by 50 meters (27,000 square feet), but there was no electricity, running water or school. He fled to Iran without valid travel documents and worked illegally in a rock quarry -- until he was arrested in Septmeber 2013. "They accused me of selling drugs, but that isn't true," he says. For 15 days, he says, he was whipped with heavy cables and beaten.

A circular scar on his back would seem to provide evidence for his story that he was also burned with a cigarette. "They are racist in Iran. They don't want us only because we are Afghans. Hardly any of us received refugee papers." Such credentials would have allowed him to at least send his children to school and to receive some food.

'Suddenly, There Were Raids'

Murad claims he was sentenced to six years in prison. After serving the first year in notorious Evin Prison in Tehran, he received an unexpected visit from a visitor wearing the green uniform of the Pasdars. "Why are you here?" the man asked.

"Drugs," Murad replied.

"Do you want to have the final five years of your sentence commuted?"

Murad didn't say no. He would have to join the war in Syria for two months, the officer told him, saying that he would only be given simple tasks and guard duty. When he returned, the officer promised, he may even receive a residency permit. The other Afghans in his cell also agreed to trade in the rest of their sentences for two months of service in Syria. They were promised a monthly salary of 2 million toman, the equivalent of $700.
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Latter-day Ottoman imperialists forge JV with the despot "Keepers of the two holy places" in supporting jihadists

Syria crisis: Turkey and Saudi Arabia shock Western countries by supporting anti-Assad jihadists
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 42747.html
Joint approach by Turkey and Saudi Arabia graphically illustrates how the interests of the Sunni regional powers are diverging from those of the US in Syria

Kim Sengupta
Tuesday 12 May 2015

Turkey and Saudi Arabia are actively supporting a hardline coalition of Islamist rebels against Bashar al-Assad’s regime that includes al-Qaeda’s affiliate in Syria, in a move that has alarmed Western governments.

The two countries are focusing their backing for the Syrian rebels on the combined Jaish al-Fatah, or the Army of Conquest, a command structure for jihadist groups in Syria that includes Jabhat al-Nusra, an extremist rival to Isis which shares many of its aspirations for a fundamentalist caliphate.

The decision by the two leading allies of the West to back a group in which al-Nusra plays a leading role has alarmed Western governments and is at odds with the US, which is firmly opposed to arming and funding jihadist extremists in Syria’s long-running civil war.

It threatens to trump Washington’s own attempt to train pro-Western opposition fighters, announced by President Barack Obama a year ago but finally launched only last week. The number of fighters involved is small and, crucially, the State Department insists that they would take the field against Isis and not against the regime.

The new joint approach follows an agreement reached in early March when Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan visited the recently crowned Saudi King Salman in Riyadh, diplomats have told The Independent.

Relations had been fraught between the Turkish president and the late King Abdullah, primarily because of Turkey’s support for the Muslim Brotherhood, which the Saudi monarchy considers a threat. But Mr Erdogan stressed to Saudi officials that the lack of Western action in Syria, especially the failure to impose a “no-fly zone”, meant that regional powers now needed to come together and take the lead to help the opposition.

The Army of Conquest – which also numbers the extremist groups Ahrar al-Sham and Jund al-Aqsa among its seven members – has a command centre in Idlib, northern Syria. Turkish officials admit giving logistical and intelligence support to the command headquarters.
Although they deny giving direct help to al-Nusra, they acknowledge that the group would be beneficiaries.

They also acknowledge links with Ahrar al-Sham, which is held to be extremist by the US, but has fought against Isis, as has al-Nusra in some parts of Syria. Turkish officials claim that bolstering Ahrar al-Sham will weaken the influence of al-Nusra.

Material support – arms and money – have been coming from the Saudis, say rebels and officials, with the Turks facilitating its passage. The border villages of Guvecci, Kuyubasi, Hacipasa, Besaslan, Kusakli and Bukulmez are the favoured routes, according to rebel sources.

The joint approach by Turkey and Saudi Arabia graphically illustrates how the interests of the Sunni regional powers are diverging from those of the US in Syria. Washington firmly opposes arming and funding jihadist extremists in Syria’s civil war. It conducted air strikes against al-Nusra positions in Aleppo – claiming the group was plotting terrorist attacks on the West – on the first day of the current bombing campaign against Isis.

There have been complaints from the Saudis that the US, needing the support of Shia Iran against Isis in Iraq, and hopeful of an accord over Iran’s nuclear programme, is becoming less interested in the removal of Tehran’s client regime in Damascus.

Further evidence of dissatisfaction over the US approach among Sunni states came yesterday with the news that King Salman has withdrawn from a summit with Barack Obama at the White House on the Iran nuclear talks this week: he will be represented instead by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Nayef. Of the six heads of Gulf States invited, only the emirs of Qatar and Kuwait are now due to attend.

Over Syria, the view of Sunni powers is that US action is too little, too late. It has been almost a year since Mr Obama first announced the $500m programme for the training of opposition fighters.

US officials maintained that the long run-up has been largely due to the strenuous vetting procedure for recruits. Several CIA organised “moderate” militias in the past had failed to stand up to the hardline groups and retreated, often abandoning their arms. One of the most notable and, for Washington, embarrassing, instances of this came last year when the Harakat al-Hazm gave up its bases and US funded advanced weaponry to al-Nusra. There have also widespread allegations of human rights abuses by the Western backed groups from local people. Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Saudi King Salman met in March Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Saudi King Salman met in March

So far, 400 recruits have been cleared by the Americans to receive light arms training in the current programme. The 90 who will start in training camps in Turkey, Jordan and Saudi Arabia are not expected to be combat ready for several months and the Pentagon estimates that it will take three years before a full force of 15,000 can be deployed.

A key sign of rapprochement between Turkey and Saudi Arabia has been over the Muslim Brotherhood. The Saudis welcomed the coup against Mohamed Morsi’s government in Egypt, but the group has been staunchly supported by Turkey since Mr Erdogan came to power. Now, say diplomats and officials, Saudi Arabia has accepted a continued role for the Brotherhood in the Syrian opposition.

Rebel fighters in Syria claim that after Western-sponsored groups lost ground to al-Nusra last year, Washington began to cut off funding for most of the supposedly moderate groups. Harakat al-Hazm, originally the most favoured of these, had its cash funding halved; the rebel Farouq Brigade had all funds cut off.

Abdulatif al-Sabbagh, an officer with Ahrar al-Sham, said: “The Americans backed people who said they were revolutionaries, but these people were corrupt and incompetent... Jaish al-Fatah is successful is because we all fight together. But we are all against Daesh [Isis] just as we are against Bashar. The Americans are bombing Daesh but doing nothing against the regime, that’s why we have got together to fight them.”

Jaish al-Fatah has made recent inroads into regime held territory, capturing Idlib and other towns and villages. Al-Nusra provided over 3,000 fighters for the operation which has put the rebels in a position to launch an offensive against Latakia on the coastal strip.

Separately, Jaish al-Fatah is said to be preparing for an attack on the regime-held part of Aleppo, the country’s largest city.
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As UBCN predicted, the demand for airlift out of KSA has started in earnest:
Over 100 Indians caught in crossfire in the Saudi Arabian town of Najran bordering Yemen have appealed to the Centre for speedy evacuation in view of intensified fighting between Houthi rebels and Saudi-led coalition forces.

According to a resident of Najran, at least one Indian was killed in shelling by the Yemeni rebels from across the border. The number could go up to five, he said.

A local Indian resident and parents of one of those caught in Najran said the government is yet to respond to their pleas for evacuation. Situated in the southwest of Saudi Arabia, Najran and its surroundings are home to over six hospitals besides many business establishments and military installations. Hundreds of citizens of countries such as India, Pakistan, the Philippines and Bangladesh work in the region.

According to a local contact, six Pakistanis were killed in shelling by the Yemeni rebels in the last 24 hours near a military installation in Najran. At least two Bangladeshis are also believed to have been killed in the ongoing fighting.

Sources said most of the Indians are unable to leave the town because their passports are with the authorities and they have been asked to remain at work. As the situation worsened, most Indians, who are working in hospitals, have been forced to stay back at their work place. There are four government hospitals in Najran, employing several dozen Indians. "We have been desperately calling consulate officials. But we are yet to hear from them," said one of the local Indian residents.

The parents of one of the stranded Indians said the ceasefire between the rebels and the coalition that was set to start in a few hours could be a good opportunity for evacuating them. "However, we are yet to see any action from the official side," said one of them. A local resident said there is continuous shelling from across the border into the Saudi town. The frequency is going up by the day, he said.

The situation in Yemen began to deteriorate over the last couple of years since rebellion led by Iran-backed Houthis flared up, and on March 26 Saudi the coalition launched aerial attacks to restore exiled president of Yemen Abd-Rabbu Mansour Hadi.
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I am not clear why Indian expats in Saudi territory are asking for evacuation by India. Is there a reason they can not travel to a major Saudi city on their own money and take a commercial flight to India? What am I missing?
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Passports are under the burkhas of their dear employers, so no question of leaving, apparently. Plus, I gather from the above that the roads OUTSIDE these nice towns are no longer in KSA hands. Surely they cannot give out that info...
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Shouldn't the MEA be asking the Saudi govt. to immediately hand back all Indian passports to Indian citizens -- passports are actually the property of the Indian govt. Why this bending over backwards to these soothi barbarian oiseaules and the rest of the countries that indulge in such practices? It should be the responsibility of those countries to ensure that indian citizens are not forced to stay back in war like conditions if they don't want to. Why sit with their thumb up various orifices until war actually starts and then spend enormous amount of resources to evacuate all the Indian citizens who could have done so by themselves if they had their passports with them?
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yes a official demarche must be given to the saudi ambassador that employers must hand back passports to all indians.

infact india should ban workers going to countries where employers seize their passports. qatar is another one.
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Sushma Swaraj already informed if one's passport is missing go to Indian Embassy which have been directed to issue replacements immediately.
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Passports are under the burkhas of their dear employers, so no question of leaving, apparently.
This act alone should be the reason for breaking off diplomatic ties. Passport in a foreign land is your only valid identity and should be kept on person at all times.
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ramana wrote:Sushma Swaraj already informed if one's passport is missing go to Indian Embassy which have been directed to issue replacements immediately.
Ah! But has Sushma Swaraj managed to convey this to her dear flunkies? From above:
"We have been desperately calling consulate officials. But we are yet to hear from them," said one of the local Indian residents.
This is a tough call: the workers are hospital workers. What do you do if your hospital staff run away at the first sign of trouble? Even in disaster areas, the hospital ppl are expected to report to work, whatever the situation at their own homes. Not that things are any safer for them if the Other Side comes calling or shells fall.. I don't know how I would resolve this situation. Maybe move everyone to MASH units and keep pulling out? Evacuate the whole town? That's what a sensible govt would do, but we ARE talking about so-called 'people' who would lock the doors of a girls' school and let the kids fry screaming in a fire rather than let them come out where strangers can see their ankles.

The local authorities have a lot of wounded people - are they going to let their hospital staff run away? It IS up to the GOI to figure this one out, thank u, it is beyond me. Maybe order the relatives of the hospital staff to get out NOW? Would you leave if you were the relative of such a hospital worker?
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ISIS has again routed the iraqi army and taken charge of Ramadi.

115km west of baghdad in anbar province sunni heartland.
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UlanBatori wrote:
ramana wrote:Sushma Swaraj already informed if one's passport is missing go to Indian Embassy which have been directed to issue replacements immediately.
Ah! But has Sushma Swaraj managed to convey this to her dear flunkies? From above:
"We have been desperately calling consulate officials. But we are yet to hear from them," said one of the local Indian residents.
This is a tough call: the workers are hospital workers. What do you do if your hospital staff run away at the first sign of trouble? Even in disaster areas, the hospital ppl are expected to report to work, whatever the situation at their own homes. Not that things are any safer for them if the Other Side comes calling or shells fall.. I don't know how I would resolve this situation. Maybe move everyone to MASH units and keep pulling out? Evacuate the whole town? That's what a sensible govt would do, but we ARE talking about so-called 'people' who would lock the doors of a girls' school and let the kids fry screaming in a fire rather than let them come out where strangers can see their ankles.

The local authorities have a lot of wounded people - are they going to let their hospital staff run away? It IS up to the GOI to figure this one out, thank u, it is beyond me. Maybe order the relatives of the hospital staff to get out NOW? Would you leave if you were the relative of such a hospital worker?
In a normal country under attack, hospital workers would understand their professional obligation to society as a whole and stay on the job despite fears about personal safety.

It is a tribute to the national character and civilizational solidarity developed by the soothi araps with their oil money that they have to rely on people who are essentially foreign paid slaves to fill the essential role of hospital workers. It is also a tribute to the capabilities of best-case Islamic state--practically unlimited wealth at their command--to build a viable modern civilization.
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^^^ If the hospital is under attack hospital personnel should be evacuated to a safer location where temporary hospital facilities should be set up.

If the town is under attack, but not the hospital, then some relocation of living quarters is called for.
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After this attack,it will be "bye-bye Morsi!"

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 55067.html
Egyptian judges shot dead in Sinai hours after former president Mohamed Morsi sentenced to death
It was unclear whether the reported murders were linked to the sentencing

Lizzie Dearden
Sunday 17 May 2015

Three Egyptian judges have been shot dead hours after deposed former president Mohamed Morsi was sentenced to death.

Police said the judges were travelling in a car in the city of al-Arish, Sinai, when it was attacked by suspected Islamist gunmen.

An fourth person was killed and at least three more were injured in the assault. An Egyptian supporting ousted president Mohamed Morsi carries a weapon during attacks on security forces in the North Sinai city of al-Arish, Egypt A militant believed to support Mohamed Morsi during attacks on security forces in al-Arish after he was deposed in August 2013

It is unclear whether the attack was linked to anger over the death sentence passed for Mr Morsi in Cairo but the Egyptian government has blamed Muslim Brotherhood supporters for violence in Sinai in the past.

Mr Morsi's party has been banned and hundreds of its former officials and supporters have been arrested and jailed.


Read more: • Mohamed Morsi sentenced to death
• Former President's death sentence condemned
• Isis-affiliated terrorist group kills 26 in Sinai

Egypt's interior ministry said a policeman was also killed on Saturday in the outskirts of Cairo by gunmen on motorcycles.

The shootings came days after another judge was the victim of an assassination attempt. The Rafah crossing between Egypt and the southern Gaza Strip Al-Arish is just 30 miles from the Rafah crossing between Egypt and the southern Gaza Strip

Moataz Khafagi, who sentenced 12 Muslim Brotherhood members to death last year after convicting them of killing a police general, survived bomb blasts outside his home in Cairo suburb that damaged several cars but caused no casualties.

The Sinai Peninsula has seen frequent outbreaks of violence in recent months and terrorist attacks prompted the Egyptian government to declare a state of emergency last year.

In January, an Isis-affiliated group claimed responsibility for rocket and bomb attacks on the military and police that killed at least 26 people.

The Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO) has raised concern about the deteriorating situation and advises against all travel to North Sinai, where al-Arish is situated. Al-Sisi launches three days of mourning following the two attacks in the Sinai Peninsula President Al-Sisi called three days of national morning mourning following attacks in the Sinai Peninsula last year

“Terrorists and criminals seek to prevent the Egyptian authorities from exercising control,” a spokesperson said.

“There are regular bomb attacks against government buildings, security forces and energy infrastructure.

“The al-Arish area has seen many attacks, but the whole of the North Sinai region is at risk.”

The Egyptian army are fighting militants in the area and several hundred people are believed to have died in battles since July 2013, when security forces were attacked by people angry at the coup against Mr Morsi.

Sinai borders the Gaza strip and Egyptian state prosecutors have claimed that Mr Morsi colluded with the Palestinian Hamas group while his predecessor was being overthrown during the Arab Spring.

They alleged that during the 18-day uprising in 2011, militants passed through illegal tunnels between Gaza and Sinai to enter Egypt and help hundreds of Muslim Brotherhood supporters, including Mr Morsi, escape jails in the capital in violent prison breaks.

Mr Morsi has also faced charges relating to the killing and torture of protesters, passing state secrets to Hamas, Hezbollah and Qatar, fraud and "insulting the judiciary". He has rejected the courts' authority and his supporters say all the cases are politically motivated.
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Good work.One should see more such attacks against the ISIS leadership.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/m ... raid-Syria
Doubt cast over seniority of Isis leader killed by US special forces in Syria raid
Defense secretary hails death of Abu Sayyaf as ‘significant blow’
Isis specialist says man killed was ‘very close’ to chief spokesman
US special forces kill Isis commander and capture wife in Syria raid

US special forces entered Syria on Friday night and killed a mid-ranking leader of the Islamic State, in only the second raid of its kind since operations against the terror group began more than a year ago.


The Pentagon said the raid killed Abu Sayyaf, who it said was an instrumental figure in black market oil smuggling. Iraqi officials, meanwhile, said the man’s real name was Nabil Saddiq Abu Saleh al-Jabouri.

US troops also captured the man’s wife and flew her to a base in Iraq, the first time they have seized a prisoner since the start of the campaign.

On Saturday morning Col Steve Warren, the interim top Pentagon spokesman, said the woman, whom the Pentagon called Umm Sayyaf, would not be sent to the Guantánamo Bay detention center that President Barack Obama has vowed to close.

“No one’s going to Gitmo,” Warren told the Guardian.

Bernadette Meehan, the National Security Council spokeswoman, said in a statement that the operation also freed a young Yazidi woman whom Abu Sayyaf and Umm Sayyaf kept as “a slave”.

The name Abu Sayyaf has not been on lists of top-line Isis leaders and he is not known to have had a price put on his head for his death or capture – unlike at least 10 other men who form the nucleus of the group’s leadership. His lack of profile led to speculation on Saturday among Iraqi officials and western diplomats in the region that the target of the raid may have been a more senior figure.

“He was very close to Adnani,” said a Baghdad-based specialist on Isis, Hisham al-Hashimi, referring to the chief spokesman of the group, Abu Mohammed al-Adnani. “They were together often.”

US defence officials said Sayyaf was an instrumental money man, who had raised money through gas and oil sales. Until last July, Isis had been yielding at least $1m per day from illicit sales of oil to Turkish and Syrian buyers.

However, a US-led air campaign has destroyed or damaged many of the crude refineries that Isis was using in the Syrian deserts, not far from the scene of Friday’s raid near the eastern city of Deir el-Zour.

Officials in Washington portrayed the raid as a success, but disclosed nothing more about the value of its apparent target.

Defense Secretary Ashton Carter said in a statement: “The operation represents another significant blow to Isis, and it is a reminder that the United States will never waver in denying safe haven to terrorists who threaten our citizens, and those of our friends and allies.”

US warplanes have been active over the skies of Iraq and Syria since August, bombing targets most days. However, the only other time that ground troops have been used was a failed rescue mission to the Isis stronghold city of Raqqa last June, where western hostages including four Americans were being held by the group.


The hostages had reportedly been moved not long before troops from the Joint Special Operations Command arrived in helicopters. Three were later beheaded, while a fourth was believed to have been killed in a Jordanian air strike.

The air campaign is believed to have killed 18 of the 43 top-tier Isis leaders, including several deputies of the group’s leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. Senior Isis members maintain that a strike in northwestern Iraq seriously wounded Baghdadi himself, although US officials have denied the claim.

Baghdadi released an audio statement on Friday, rallying followers to fight. Isis members suggested the rare recorded message was aimed at soothing fears among the group that their leader remained incapacitated.

Syria’s military was quick to claim credit for the raid that killed Abu Sayyaf. However, the Pentagon said Damascus had not been informed ahead of time. The US troops flew from Iraq, where a 3,000-strong US presence has returned to the country US forces left in 2011, in order to train and mentor Iraqi troops in the war against Isis.

Asked on Saturday about the whereabouts of Umm Sayyaf, Warren, the Pentagon spokesman, added: “She is being held in a safe location inside Iraq. We are currently debriefing her to obtain intelligence about [Isis] operations.

“We are working to determine an ultimate disposition for the detainee that best supports the national security of the United States and of our allies and partners, consistent with domestic and international law.”

Isis militants on Friday overran a government compound in the centre of Ramadi, which acts as the capital of Iraq’s Anbar province, in their most significant triumph this year.

In Syria, Isis fighters continue to menace the Unesco-listed ruins of Palmyra, northeast of Damascus. On Saturday, the UK-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights claimed militants had seized part of a northern district of the town, after a day of heavy clashes. The ruins of Palmyra are south-west of the town.
But...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/
Iraqi army rushes reinforcements into Ramadi to prevent massive Isis defeat

Unless the government can counterattack swiftly and regain control of lost positions, the defeat in Ramadi will be a devastating blow
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Anyone - what are the differences between Dawoodi, Sulaimani, and Nizari Ismailis?
The Ismailis in Yemen are mostly members of the Dawoodi (Davidian) and Sulaimani (Solomonian) sects of Mustali Ismailism that moved away from the larger Nizari Ismailis.
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A_Gupta wrote:Anyone - what are the differences between Dawoodi, Sulaimani, and Nizari Ismailis?
The Ismailis in Yemen are mostly members of the Dawoodi (Davidian) and Sulaimani (Solomonian) sects of Mustali Ismailism that moved away from the larger Nizari Ismailis.
(from http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-geopol ... en/5439749 )
Different tribes following Islam. The differences end there.
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It was fun to watch on the BBC the Iraqi "army" flee for their lives F-1 style like the Paki army from Ramadi. ISIS seem v.well equipped with tanks ,etc roiling in.

Isis secures largest victory for a year as militants capture Iraqi state capital Ramadi
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/
Ramadi is first major city to fall since US-led air strikes began
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