Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Sept 05, 2015

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 21 Oct 2015 07:03

Gagan wrote:What can GoI do?
It can't officially ban Pakistanis participating in events that the government has no oversight of.
Yet it is common knowledge that these sneering scumbags hate the kafirs, pass snide remarks against the kafirs, but like kafir money.
I for one support the Shiv Sena on this wholesomely! Their methods are crude, but once the fear is created, they won't have to resort to actually doing things. One hopes that in the future, just a kindly worded letter from the Shiv Sena politely requesting people not to employ pakistanis in India will suffice.

I agree completely that there should be no politics with Cricket and so on. But, beheading Indian soldiers is not politics by any ones standard! There is one thing GoI can easily do. When I was living in Germany many Moons ago, their government had one way of completely shutting out non-European foreigners. They would make the employers explain why the job could not be given to German or an European. It was very difficult for any one to argue that any one particular job could be done by no German. This law kept out all but the very best. GoI can easily implement something similar.
Gautam

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 21 Oct 2015 07:16

How come trade-related MFN cannot be awarded till political Cashmere issue is not solved, but all sports-related Kirkit matches should take place without insisting on action on terrorism?

How about MFN in exchange for Cricket matches?

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 21 Oct 2015 07:53

The faujis in Pakistan have their chaddis in a twist!
Just because the BJP is in power, they have to do something to show that they are relevant. Otherwise they understand that their 'leverage' (in their minds) over people in India will go away.

That leverage was never there, our netas gave air to that idea for their own narrow political gains.

But fully expect the Pak Fauji apparatus to start sniffing around to create as much mayhem as they can possibly muster. One can see signs in Punjab already.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 21 Oct 2015 08:05

In the recent talk shows (posted here and on the tube), a distinct shift has occurred. Earlier it was Yeevil dastagarh Moody and what he is going to do to Bakistan and how incompetent their leaders were.

Then it became

and we are born to GUBO only realizations, it was in that mode for the last 3 - 4 months.

However, in the last two weeks, they seem to have declared RawHeel as their own Moody and in the last week they became concerned over Sikhs and Christians in India along with Mussalmans. The funny thing is in the talk shows, they talk about Mussalmans and then someone adds (with almost identical wordings) : "Not only Mussalman, but they started killing Sikhs and eating Christians for dinner", "Bakistan has to do 'something' to help Sikh's and Christians people save themselves from a regional hegemon" etc.

It would be a rather bizarre co-incidence if all of these parrots started singing the same song in the cacophony that is Bakistan.

What or who are they targeting? Why now? That is something we need to figure out.

One possibility (and I hope its true) is that a "reactive" media blitzkrieg against India for pain being inflicted in certain areas (Gilgit, Balochistan etc). I hope that pain is intensified manifold times. That would explain why the nukular parrots have also started singing.

milano · Post by **milano** » 21 Oct 2015 08:18

And now, India's "not cricket" with respect to the previous regime's offer of generous power supply to Pakistan, while its own citizens suffer:

http://www.dawn.com/news/1214540/plans- ... ia-stalled

One more data point to suggest that GOI is deadly serious about no business as usual and is not going to reward Pakistan for bad behaviour.

I've been observing over the last few weeks and have come to the following conclusion:

Pakistan's behaviour, especially the recent "explicit" declaration of tactical nukes and full spectrum deterrence in advance of their PM's US visit, playing up RAW-inspired assassination plans, and ad nauseum broken-record bleatings of "Intl Community pls to make India talk about Kashmir"reminds me of a petulant child whose parents suddenly wisen up to said child's previously winning strategies for getting its way, and the poor child keeps doubling down because it is perplexed by the parents no longer responding and therefore the only option is to scream and act out louder. In its desperation, it will over-reach with a dramatic tantrum and the parents will turn around and give it a very solid whack to shut it up. Won't hypothesize about which parents, when, etc due to lack of knowledge on my part, but there is a nice progression of predictably escalatory infantile behaviour that seems to be leading to an inevitable smack down. We now have a government, after a long drought, not afraid to administer the smacking given that it clearly appears to be walking the talk. I will keep my popcorn at the ready.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 21 Oct 2015 08:32

I dont expect Bakistan to do anything explicitly against its GUBO lords.

The nukular dealers are an indication that there is a camp that "Umrika" abandoned it again (post Afghanistan era). This time, its worse since Bakistan has been abandoned for India. Now if Nawaz comes back with a phata langot with nothing in his begging bowl, that sense of "abandonment" will be amplified.

Eerily similar to the conditions that led to 9/11. Umrika must be prepping for an indirect blowback after Afg troop withdrawal. This time it might be a "oops, jeehardies stole my weapon and ran to mexico! Good luck Unkil", which would be much much worse than 9/11.

Unkil has gamed this now, and hence all the chatter. Nawaz might be bull-cuttled soon, unless he has Unkil on his side.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 21 Oct 2015 08:34

That is why the bugger is going to the US, to save his ass from the army - once again.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 21 Oct 2015 08:42

Plans to import power from India stalled
INDIA LOST BIG RICH BEGGAR CUSTOMER

ISLAMABAD: A plan to import up to 4,000 megawatts of electricity from across the eastern border to overcome Pakistan’s energy shortfall has stalled amid rising extremist sentiments in India following the ascension of Narendra Modi.“How can we push for electricity import [from India] when those at the helm of affairs in India are taking an extremely anti-Pakistan posture,” a senior official from the Ministry of Water and Power told Dawn.The Modi administration is not only taking a hawkish stance against Pakistan, but is also refusing to come to the negotiating table and is encouraging extremist groups to attack Pakistani visitors, including singers, writers and sportsmen, he said.Water and Power Minister Khawaja Asif told the Senate last week that Pakistani and Indian officials had discussed plans for importing 500mw from India in April 2012. Two years after these discussions, M/s Adani Enterprises Ltd (AEL) of India visited Pakistan in April 2014 to discuss matters related to the import.Separately, Islamabad and Tehran are also in discussion for the import of an additional 30MW to add to the existing 74MW being supplied to Balochistan. In addition, import of 100MW of electricity from Iran was also being negotiated for the Gwadar port at a rate of 6.25 cents per unit.However, because of the uncertainty over when sanctions against Iran would be lifted, the minister said the exact timeframe for actual power supplies could not be committed. Nevertheless, the import of an additional 30MW for Balochistan would be available by January 2016.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 21 Oct 2015 08:48

JE Menon wrote:That is why the bugger is going to the US, to save his ass from the army - once again.

I bet he is stuck between in a rock and hard place. I think Gagan said that here: Unkil wants to CRE (cap/roll/eliminate) nukular weapons from Bakistan. So my guess for the sequence of events (aka GUBO sessions would be):

1) Ombaba would have given orders to RawHeel for providing realtime tracking data of each and every nukular warhead they have.
2) RawHeel says "lets talk about the price sir, I will send my representative". (representative == fall guy)
3) RawHeel tells Ganja : " If you sign anything, RAW is gonna kill you"
4) ISI tells media : "Ganja going to sign nuclear deal, we are == India onreeee." (sidenote: Please start making noises about cold start and yeevil India)

Ganja is in a very dangerous position.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 21 Oct 2015 08:54

Lisa wrote:^ Yet in can. No puki should be given a visa. Period. They remain on their side of the border and us on ours.

I agree 100%. What is the need for peepee contact hain jee? Just the thought gives one the shibbers.

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 21 Oct 2015 09:03

g.sarkar wrote:
Gagan wrote:What can GoI do?
It can't officially ban Pakistanis participating in events that the government has no oversight of.
Yet it is common knowledge that these sneering scumbags hate the kafirs, pass snide remarks against the kafirs, but like kafir money.
I for one support the Shiv Sena on this wholesomely! Their methods are crude, but once the fear is created, they won't have to resort to actually doing things. One hopes that in the future, just a kindly worded letter from the Shiv Sena politely requesting people not to employ pakistanis in India will suffice.
I agree completely that there should be no politics with Cricket and so on. But, beheading Indian soldiers is not politics by any ones standard! There is one thing GoI can easily do. When I was living in Germany many Moons ago, their government had one way of completely shutting out non-European foreigners. They would make the employers explain why the job could not be given to German or an European. It was very difficult for any one to argue that any one particular job could be done by no German. This law kept out all but the very best. GoI can easily implement something similar.
Gautam

Indeed. Terrorism is not politics. I can even understand the concept of playing with your arch-enemies. Not to my liking, but understandable. But, playing games with barbaric terrorists is beyond understanding. Its just undefendable by any logic.

A proper method of protest is a side issue. The bigger issue is, "can Pakistan be treated like a civilized country when it behaves like a barbarian?"

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Gagan saar,
I think the ones who know most intimately about artificiality of Pakistan is Pakjabis themselves. They know that Pakistan is not meant to thrive or even survive. So, from their perspective, survival for any short period is seen as a great victory. Let me give an analogy: lets say some naxals occupy a group of villages in dhesh and declare it as an 'independent redistan'. Do they expect that 'country' to survive? No. Its just chance pe dance thing. They expect Dhesh to retake those villages. The same is the case with Pakjabis and Pakistan. When Pakijabis say that they are sitting on strategic location, they mean to say that they are occupying a part of Bhaarath.

Now, interestingly, Bhaarath has not shown any inclination to take back Pakistan. This is a boon and curse for Pakistan. Boon for Pakistan because it survives. Curse for Pakistan because its cut off from Bhaarath. They feel as if they are cut off and alone. So, they try to comfort themselves by running in to the lap of some massa or ummah. And massa and ummah treat pakjabis like slaves.

Pakistan sees itself as part of Bhaarath. It behaves as part of Bhaarath. Pakjabis take their cues from sec-lib narrative. Most of the points are given to Pakjabais by dheshi sec-libs only. I wonder how the rest of the world sees indo-pak thing. How does a westerner differentiate between Pakistani and Indian? For example, how do we view Taiwan vs China thing?

What is most interesting is that:
The sec-libs support playing games with Pakistan.
The sec-libs support making movies with Pakistan.
The sec-libs support all kinds of cultural contacts with Pakistan and other friendly relations with them, even when there is proxy-war. Even when soldiers and citizens are dying in droves. Yet, they want to continue with their games and dances.

The same sec-libs absolutely oppose the idea of Akhand Bhaarath. Isn't that strange. If we can be so friendly friendly with Pakistan, then why have Pakistan as separate entity? Shouldn't Akhand Bhaarath be the highest form of lovey dovey with Pakistan? I can understand communal Hindhus opposing Akhand Bhaarath. But, what logic can sec-libs have for opposing the idea of Akhand Bhaarath? Sec-lib narrative is that the muslims are a wonderful community who have given a lot to the country and civilization. So, what logic can they have for opposing the idea of Akhand Bhaarath? Surely, inclusion of Pakistan into Bhaarath is going to be wonderful because muslim community has given so much in past according to them.

If Pakistanis want to come to Bhaarath to make movies, sell books, play games, ...etc, then why even have a separate country?

I think Pakistan has been allowed to survive by kongis deliberately. (This is clearly seen during shimla. Its a clear lifeline.) Pakjabis seem to know this very well. Just listen to the narrative of kongis and Pakjabis. Its one and the same. They both say the same thing in a different way. Kongi sec-lib depends on Paki jihad and vice versa. Both of them are afraid of saffron because it will end their fake nonsense. These are same set of elites planted during colonial rule. One set were given one part of the country and another set given another part to rule as puppets.

Now, one puppet has been dethroned. So, the other puppet is counting its days. The sec-libs know that Pakistan is an artificial country. They know that it will break at the slightest action of Dhesh. Thats why they run to its rescue.

There was a point raised in 'evolution of Indian strategic thought' thread: What is the actual goal of Bhaarath? What is the goal of accumulation of power and wealth?

I think the first simple and straight-forward answer to that question is: Akhand Bhaarath.
To restore Bhaarath's territory which was lost due to invasions and colonialism. And then to ghar-wapas the people of those locations and to connect them back to the Bhaarath's civilization. Akhand Bhaarath is not just about Pakistan. But, Pakistan is definitely the biggest stumbling block to realizing Bhaarath's full potential. Akhand Bhaarath is equivalent to One China Policy. We should learn from China on this point.

As for Kashmir, Pakistan has no locus standi on Kashmir. They have no case whatsoever. They are the ones who are illegally occupying Kashmir. The whole noise about Kashmir is just a distraction. The fact is Pakistan is sitting on Lahore which was Bhaarath's territory. Sindhu-saraswathi civilization thrived in those areas. And they belong to Bhaarath civilization.

This post seems better for strategic evolution thread, so I'll cross-post it there.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 21 Oct 2015 16:19

Pakistan to send wheat to Kunduz as 'goodwill gesture'

ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif has directed the Foreign Office (FO) to arrange the transportation of wheat stock to Kunduz — the northern Afghan city where people face major food shortages after the provincial capital fell to a lightning Taliban assault in their biggest military victory since 2001.
Traumatised residents returning to Kunduz last week faced major food shortages after the Taliban beat a "tactical retreat", leaving much of the city in ruins as fears of a comeback by the militants loomed large.

Will the same plane, bring back ISI agents, as in the previous post 911 airlift ?

This measure is being taken as a goodwill gesture on behalf of the people and Government of Pakistan for the returning residents of Kunduz facing severe food shortage after Taliban retreat, said a statement issued by the Prime Minister House.

Pakistan is experiencing a wheat surplus this year, but the government's plan to export 1.2 million tonnes of the stock has been undermined by falling prices on the world market.

President Ashraf Ghani accused Pakistan of failing to cleanse its soil of terrorist bases from where attacks were being launched continuously.
Afghan defence officials also accused Pakistan's intelligence service of playing a key role in the Taliban's seizure of Kunduz.
Pakistan has denied the allegations, and condemned the attacks in Kabul and Kunduz in strong terms.

Just like it has denied all other previous attacks

The deteriorating security situation prompted US President Barack Obama last week to delay plans to pull American forces out of the country next year, with at least 5,500 troops now due to remain after 2017.

This will de rail Deep State's plan for Afghanistan, hence "summoning" of NS to DC and publicity gimmicks like this one

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 21 Oct 2015 16:21

Pakistan pull out of Asia Cup Cricket for the Blind in India
Domino effect ?

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 21 Oct 2015 17:10

Anujan wrote:How come trade-related MFN cannot be awarded till political Cashmere issue is not solved, but all sports-related Kirkit matches should take place without insisting on action on terrorism?

How about MFN in exchange for Cricket matches?

Anujan Ji :

Sir, knowing the Cwapistanis as you do you must take the following to account :

1. Is being granted MFN Status going to stop Terrorism?

2. To stop Terrorism you have to go for the Cwapistan's Purse Strings - Pockets - Financial "G--lies" as well as the People of Pakistan's ability to enter India and then on one pretext or the other not going back. Once Terrorism is solved to Indian Government as well as Peoples' i.e. Parliament's
satisfaction then and only then should the Indian Government normalize Visa, Work Permits, Scholarships, Free Medical Care - Operations - Treatment, this should be subject to "NO WAITING LIST" at the Hospitals in Question. Once India has been able to fulfill 100% of its Annual AVAILABLE Intake in ALL EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS then and only then Scholarships can be made available for Foreigner is General and Cwapistanis in Particular.

When Cwapistanis give "Transit" Facilities for India - Central Asian Republics including Afghanistan and Iran - fulfilled by Cwapistan then along with the conditions enumerated in the Para above should India Normalize Relationships with Cwapistan. All Work Permits for Foreigners including Cwapistanis should be Issued in the same way the USA, UK, EU and other countries grant Work Permits to Indian Citizens.

Otherwise Takni Hai to Take Nahin tau Doosri Dookan Dekh!
Cheers

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 21 Oct 2015 17:19

When some things don't seem to make sense, then there are usually come politics that is going on in the backgroung.

Why was the IA stopped where it was stopped in 1948?
Turns out that Sheikh Abdulla Sr didn't want the Shias of Mirpur to be integrated into J&K because they would have upset his votebank, or so the story goes. And JLN had to do all the dog and pony show about cease fire - go to the UN - etc etc. Maybe political miscalculation in trying to be a big international leader and spokesman, and try to garner some limelight in the comity of nations in NY.

Then Shastriji gave up Haji pir pass and all the areas in POK - Indian Territory, captured in '65. I am sure there must have been similar reasons. It is a little counterintuitive, it just doesn't make sense to us. But I am sure that it was a little more than international pressure - that domestic calculations must have played a part.

and so on...

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 21 Oct 2015 17:29

I can see that the Pakistaniyat is building up and is giving a lot of cramps to the faujis and their mediawalas in Al Bakistan.

I agree with Lokesh-ji, that pakistaniyat has to have an outlet very soon, because it is damaging to the echandee.

The time is ripe for either a 9/11 type thingie, or if India shows any signs of weakness, a 26/11 type thing. Because their little game in Kunduz got bombed to smithereens by massa no less!
Or going by my favourite line:

If they can't kill kafirs, they'll kill munafiqs

So, Ganja is in big big trouble.

I get the feeling that after the Iran deal, the focus is on Pakistan's nukes. Maybe they have too much Poo, and they will start using the reprocessing plant in Chashma or in PINSTECH to start getting some pure maal and progress onto becoming a true Poo N weapons power or something else.
But this attempt at CRE is part and parcel of the Iran deal.

I think Pakistan saw it coming, and went into China's arms, ditched KSA to show to the world that it won't even come to KSA's assistance by sending in troops, and so there is no chance of sharing bums with them.
The question is, how much leeway is massa going to give the Pakistanis? Now because of the Iran deal, the state of Israel is by default has a say in this whole thing. So Iran's concerns, Israel's concerns will be addressed. Too bad for Pakistan.

No wonder the abduls in Pakistan are talking about having built tactical "low yeild" bums "modelled along the same dejjine as the ones massa has in europe" Yeah right !!! They have the low yield part correct, we all know that

member_29089 · Post by **member_29089** » 21 Oct 2015 17:33

Falijee wrote:Pakistan pull out of Asia Cup Cricket for the Blind in India
Domino effect ?

Not Domino Effect but rather Doval Effect. DovalJi would have known that 1/2 of paki team is not blind. And that they are chasing and CHEWING the ball not by sound but by light.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 21 Oct 2015 17:34

Gentle B-Rites :

Regarding Mixing Sports with Politics, what happened to the Boycott of the 1980 Summer Olympics in Moscow, 1984 in Los Angles and the 2014 Winter Olympics Boycott in Sochi. Most important was the International Cricket Conference's BAN on the South African Cricket Team for the South Africans' Apartheid Politics.

Cwapistan - it observed the 1980 Boycott -doesn't have a leg to stand on.

The above must be Highlighted by the Indian Media in General and BCCI in Particular.
Cheers

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 21 Oct 2015 17:44

Peregrine wrote: The Indian Government should normalize Visa, Work Permits, Scholarships, Free Medical Care - Operations - Treatment, this should be subject to "NO WAITING LIST" at the Hospitals in Question. Once India has been able to fulfill 100% of its Annual AVAILABLE Intake in ALL EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS then and only then Scholarships can be made available for Foreigner is General and Cwapistanis in Particular.

I think GoIs need to think along those lines, the way the economy is progressing.
I we are on track to becoming one of the 3 largest economies in the world in the next two odd decades, then some level of protectionism has to go in. What started as a trickle 10 yrs ago, with videshis coming to India to work, is now increasingly common in all the major cities, and now I see videshis in branch offices in the tier 2 cities, employed by the big multinationals.

This is going to become a deluge in another 10 yrs.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 21 Oct 2015 17:56

Analysis: A nuclear deal — need or prestige?

CYRIL ALMEDIA
An immediate and strong governmental denial is usually a sign that something is afoot.

BTW, yawn's front page has more India related news than anything else

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 21 Oct 2015 18:23

WRT the number of US troops in Afghanistan after 2016.

Please remember that for every troop stationed there, there is almost an equal number of noncombatant support staff to man the bases. There are also a LOT of private contractor security people around, with unrestricted numbers, and who are ex-military, even ex-special forces (along the lines of Xe) that provide security and policing / SWAT like duties

So the actual number of combatants on the ground might be much higher than the official soldier numbers.

I don't think that massa is going to wind up and take every bit of equipment out of Afghanistan. They'll just pack the critically important ones, and fly them away. Being a big (and I daresay quite wasteful) military power, a lot of things will be just left behind/auctioned/gifted away. If push comes to shove, massa doesn't really really need Pakistan's transit lines too much, even more so, now with the reduced troop numbers, and high redundancies in supplies.

jash_p · Post by **jash_p** » 21 Oct 2015 18:41

Pakistan pull out of Asia Cup Cricket for the Blind in India

Now turn to PSL. It is in February and Pakis are expecting big money from Indians. In one show Shethi said one Indian broadcaster in Dubai will going to sign a contract with big money to telecast matches to India as it generate lots of dough by advertising. I will request all Indian to boycott seeing PSL and let all Indian companies to know that if you give ad in PSL we will not buy your products.

jash_p · Post by **jash_p** » 21 Oct 2015 18:47

Gentle B-Rites :

Regarding Mixing Sports with Politics, what happened to the Boycott of the 1980 Summer Olympics in Moscow, 1984 in Los Angles and the 2014 Winter Olympics Boycott in Sochi. Most important was the International Cricket Conference's BAN on the South African Cricket Team for the South Africans' Apartheid Politics.

Cwapistan - it observed the 1980 Boycott -doesn't have a leg to stand on.

The above must be Highlighted by the Indian Media in General and BCCI in Particular.
Cheers Image

Pakis says sports and politics are different? Let remind them that Did not Zia and Mushraff used cricket deplomacy ?

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 21 Oct 2015 19:24

Peregrine wrote: Gentle B-Rites :

Regarding Mixing Sports with Politics, what happened to the Boycott of the 1980 Summer Olympics in Moscow, 1984 in Los Angles and the 2014 Winter Olympics Boycott in Sochi. Most important was the International Cricket Conference's BAN on the South African Cricket Team for the South Africans' Apartheid Politics.

Cwapistan - it observed the 1980 Boycott -doesn't have a leg to stand on.

The above must be Highlighted by the Indian Media in General and BCCI in Particular.
Cheers

jash_p wrote:Pakis says sports and politics are different? Let remind them that Did not Zia and Mushraff used cricket deplomacy ?

jash_p Ji :

There is no need to mention ONLY this. Best is to name the Olympic Boycotts, which Pakistan performed as a Nation and in addition remind them about Cricket Diplomacy by Zia - of the Mango Crates - and Mush the Tush

Cheers

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 21 Oct 2015 20:49

The explicit declaration of tactical nukes makes it difficult to do any nuke deal with Pakistan for anyone. I am separately working on an analysis of possible technical details of Shitistan's Nasr delivered nukes.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 21 Oct 2015 21:12

I agree. If ever Bakistan develops miniaturized tactical nukes, assuming they have enough Poo....... everyone on planet earth is a risk. The only deal at that point is : Quarantine Bakistan, Declare a no fly zone and bomb them back to the 7th century, followed by a 100 year occupation by India and Afghanistan security.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 21 Oct 2015 21:19

Seminaries see 74% drop in foreign enrollments

ISLAMABAD:
Enrollment of foreign students in the country’s seminaries has fallen by as much as 74 per cent in the wake of their failure to embrace a more modern system of education in line with the changing world.

There is no likelihood of any change in the future as well; "The Book" is against that !

While the local clerics admitted that they had fallen short, they argued that the government’s new laws for issuing no-objection certificates (NOCs) to foreigners remained a major stumbling block for those seeking admission in Pakistan’s seminaries.

Outside pressure on the Paki Govt cannot be ruled out !

These reasons have led foreign students to opt for India, Egypt, South Africa, Iran or the United Kingdom in the past eight to 10 years to pursue new forms of quality religious education, government officials and clerics told The Express Tribune.

So "quality religious education" -euphemism for non -sectarian and terrorism free curriculum - is also available in a kuffar country

The number of foreign students at Pakistan’s seminaries was They estimated that 10,117 students from more than 45 countries were studying at Pakistan’s seminaries in 2005-06, but the interior ministry puts the current figure at 2,673 students from 37 countries.

When the numbers are under estimated then it becomes easier for the Ministry to deny foreign press reports these "schools" are a "jehadi training factories".

“We are preparing a soft procedure for foreign students in the light of an agreement with representatives of the Wifaqul Madaris (education board for seminaries),” said Religious Affairs Minister Sardar Muhammad Yousuf.

As for the strict laws, former religious affairs secretary Vakil Ahmad Khan said Pakistan had introduced stringent procedures only on the demand of Pakistan’s brotherly countries.
He said the then interior minister Aftab Sherpao had ordered deporting the foreign students who failed to produce NOCs. “It was a good step. We must regularise the system.”

At present 1,273 Afghan nationals are studying at Pakistani madrassas, with more than 900 of them in Balochistan alone.
Ninety-seven seminary students are from Thailand, 60 from Indonesia, 44 from Kazakhstan, 32 from the Philippines, 24 from Kyrgyzstan, 16 from Tajikistan, 13 each from Malaysia and Ethiopia, and 12 from China.
Moreover, nine of the students in Pakistan belong to Jordan, eight to Somalia, seven each to Myanmar and Sudan, five each to Tajikistan and Sri Lanka, four each to Bangladesh and Canada, three each to Mali, Morocco and Tunis, two each to France, Guinea, Russia, the Netherlands, Turkey and Madagascar, and one each to Mauritius, Liberia, Cambodia, Algeria, Djibouti and Macedonia.

Either they go back to their home country and start "preaching" the new version of Malsi, or better still, join in the global fight to "defend Islam" that is going on in the rest of the world.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 21 Oct 2015 21:52

The rise of Modi has emboldened many others to be openly patriotic.

This is singer Abhijeet ("Ole Ole").

Abhijeet Bhattacharya: Indian media has become Pakistani media

Singer Abhijeet Bhattacharya, had supported the ban in a series of tweets. He went on to call Pakistani artists - 'dengue artists'. And this time too, Abhijeet did not hesitate in putting across his views straight out even this time. On being asked if he thinks the ban on Fawad and Mahira is justified, the singer said that he does not know these two stars and has never heard of them, but added that he thinks ban on Pakistani artists is justified. He further added that he called them 'dengue artists' because they the entire Pakistan is suffering with this disease. He said, "In logon ko aadat ho gayi hai, joote khaane ke baad bhi vapas India aane ki."

But Abhijeet did not stop at this. He further added, even Indian media supports these stars. Have you ever seen a Pakistani media favouring Indian artists? No. But Indian media always writes in favour of Pakistani artists. Pakistani media also writes against us, and Indian media also writes against us. Indian media is not Indian media anymore, it has become Pakistani media," he said over a telephonic conversation.

member_29172 · Post by **member_29172** » 21 Oct 2015 21:53

good to know the entire film industry isn't infected with the pappi-jhappi dengue yet

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 21 Oct 2015 21:58

Abhijeet has been at the forefront of dissing Pakis in bollywood for quite some time now. He was the one who first started saying that Atif Aslam can't sing, and the other playback singers also started saying that openly.
It would appear that they must have encountered some 'i-hate-kafir-but-luuv-kafir-money' type thingie from Aslam.

Anyway, Atif Aslam's spell in bollywood didn't last very long

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 21 Oct 2015 22:01

Nasr is NOT nuke capable, in the sense that Pakistan doesn't have the tech ability to miniaturize any N weapon to that size. It is just a conventional tube artillery with cheeni guidance, and quite dumb at that. It is nowhere as chi chi as DRDO's G3oM chip maals.

They only have some unaccounted for low yield regular bums, that they've not declared to massa(i.e. unlicensed bums), which they are calling theatre N bums.
If given a chance they will happily do a JDAM with these, or drop them via a Babur, or toss drop them from a F-16 or some such aircraft.
or
give a few to KSA or N korea - hence massa's angst.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 21 Oct 2015 22:15

Also note that there has been a change of narrative.

Earlier there was this bluster of "we'll set your towns on fire", "We'll nuke Bangalore", "We'll annihilate India".

After getting some jhapads on the LOC, after going down the drain economically and being put in their rightful place politically, the bluster has changed to a bleating, "We'll use theater nukes on your advancing forces", "No No, not in the indian mainland, but on Pakistani territory onlee"

Sheesh !!!

member_29089 · Post by **member_29089** » 21 Oct 2015 22:44

Someone was asking if Bakis have nukes then who / where are the "scientists".
I did some checking and found that they have assembled a stellar international team.

Dr. X.X. Khan (aka xerox khan) (Chief Import / Export Scientist)
Dr. S. MubarakLund (Chief Export / Import Scientist)
Dr. Y. I. M. Dum (North Korean Brilliant Scientist Consultant-1)
Dr. U. R. Dum (North Korean Brilliant Scientist Consultant-2)
Dr. Far T. Bek (Nuclear Exhaust Specialist from Germany)
Dr. Lotta Grise (British Thermo-Nuclear Lubrication Expert)
Dr. Pickof Andropof (Visiting Ukrainian Consultant)
Dr. Wendy Pigsfly (Visiting UK Consultant)
Dr. Synco DeMayo (Nuclear Test Scheduler from Mexico)

CunningHAM, CunningHAM, & CunningHAM (Nuclear Legal experts from Scottland)

plagiarized from car-talk

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 21 Oct 2015 22:59

Council For Islamic Ideology Wants Co-Education Abolished At The Earliest
It is "almost extinct" in this "Guardian Of Islamic Ideology" Nation ; wonder, what next will be "demanded"?
Ban on female to travel (locally, nationally or internationally ) without a Mehram (family) male as per Sharia Law, currently in implementation in the Land Of The Two Holy Cities

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 21 Oct 2015 23:01

New Bunker sighted in Pakistan's New HQ in Islamabad.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 21 Oct 2015 23:05

How several Pakistanis have sabotaged Indian entertainment industry
Thought, I would post this !

This post is an attempt to provide the other side of the story and does not paint all the Pakistanis in negative as we are very well aware that they love Indian music, films and celebrities. But considering the recent controversy, it is important to remind some things -

1) Piracy from Pakistan has severely affected the collections of Indian movies for at least last two decades, Some say that Dawood's gang is behind all this piracy. Do you people remember those Chintu Candies ads from early 2000's. Those were the pirated cds of Indian movies from Pak.

2) Indian music industry is in dire straits. Thanks to easily available songs on internet and who pioneered it brazenly and illegally?..... that's right

songs.pk

Pak govt has never tried to ban songs.pk

some say that it was a source of some malware also

3) Most of the Pakistani singers and artists in India are not massively talented but are cheap in terms of money. This is why you see pakistani heroes with Sonam Kapoor or in movies like Tere Bin Laden

Do you remember this incident

http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/pakistani-singer-rahat-fateh-ali-khan-detained-at-delhi-airport-447677

Noted Pakistani singer Rahat Fateh Ali Khan was detained at the Indira Gandhi International (IGI) airport in New Delhi on Sunday by revenue intelligence officials after he and two of his troupe members were caught allegedly carrying US $1.24 lakh in undeclared foreign currency.

Money laundering?

Black money?

in the end let me know when Sonu Malik, Shreya ghoshal or Sunidhi or SRK perform in Pakistan on stage.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 22 Oct 2015 01:40

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/internation ... -in-punjab

Rawalpindi: Punjab Government has imposed a ban on motorcycle pillion-riding besides suspension of cellular services across the province on 9th and 10th of Muharram.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 22 Oct 2015 01:45

shiv wrote:The explicit declaration of tactical nukes makes it difficult to do any nuke deal with Pakistan for anyone. I am separately working on an analysis of possible technical details of Shitistan's Nasr delivered nukes.

We shouldnt lose sight of the bigger Picture.

Pakistan is actually pretty good and pretty innovative at terrorism, they are looking to get into this rent-seeking mode where people perpetually have to pay them and accede to their demands because of the nuisance value they can cause.

For example, when US hit and killed some of Haqqani forces, Pakis stopped the fuel truck lines and many of the fuel trucks mysteriously caught fire and exploded.

I feel that Pakis are proceeding along multiple dimensions

1) They want tactical nukes (which may or may not exist, using it might or might not be a good idea) but what it causes is a bunch of WKKs yelling louder that there are no alternative except talks and everyone from Massa to EU getting involved in trying to "defuse" the situation. That means that they can freely sponsor terror without any retaliation. Get more IMF loans, get Coalition support funds released and demand a nuke deal on parity with India.

2) They are trying to legitimize their terror groups, Kind of like Hezbollah. So their terrorists give speeches, appear on TV, run "charity" organizations, ambulances and participate in relief operations

3) They try to make themselves indispensable for a bunch of countries. It is not lost upon them that India refrained from doing something drastic several times between 2001 and now, solely because US was in afghanistan. Mumbai attacks particularly rankles, because it was a taunt. India couldnt to jacksh1t. Our babus and netas went as far as assuring massa that we wont retaliate (because it will spoil Massa plans in A'stan). Same thing is happening with CPEC. If Pakistan becomes an important trade route for China, India cant do jacksh1t.

I am not sure how India can counter all this. I hope the powers that be have given thought about this.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 22 Oct 2015 02:10

Anujan wrote:3) They try to make themselves indispensable for a bunch of countries. It is not lost upon them that India refrained from doing something drastic several times between 2001 and now, solely because US was in afghanistan. Mumbai attacks particularly rankles, because it was a taunt. India couldnt to jacksh1t. Our babus and netas went as far as assuring massa that we wont retaliate (because it will spoil Massa plans in A'stan). Same thing is happening with CPEC. If Pakistan becomes an important trade route for China, India cant do jacksh1t.

I am not sure how India can counter all this. I hope the powers that be have given thought about this.

The principle is as follows: Pakistanis give assurances to some power to deliver on something. Based on these assurances, the other power outsources certain responsibility onto Pakistan. And so Pakistan earns.

All India has to do is to show that Pakistan does not have the ability to deliver, that Pakistan does not control the environment or its elements.

If India cannot intervene directly to incapacitate Pakistan in its delivery, then India has to breed proxies, through them India can do so.

As an example, if Pakistan earns by allowing trucks through to Afghanistan. India needs proxies to disrupt such supply lines. Every power should know it is useless to do business with Pakistan because they simply cannot deliver or would not be allowed to deliver.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 22 Oct 2015 02:12

Pakistan Fauj expects their rent masters to carry too much weight for them!
1. They want money for weapons
2. They want no oversight for that money so that the Crore commandars can make their ghoos and do corruption at will
3. Then they want something for the bleedy civ-lians, and awam
4. Then they want their rent master to side with them at UN each time some Fauji protected terrorist is about to be proscribed
5. They want their rent master to protect Pakistan at the UN
6. They want their rent master to deliver Kashmir for them - Talk to India, Convince India to give J&K to Pakistan - if not the whole J&K, atleast the valley and adjoining areas, everything.
7. They want their rent master to somehow compensate them for the $300 billion they have lost in the war on terror
8. They want rent master to give them preferential market access (hello, they don't make anything!)
9. They want rent master to not give any access to India whatsoever.
10. They want rent master to give them a nuclear deal, just like the Indo-US nuclear deal
11. They want rent master to force BCCI to take Pakistanis in IPL, and force India to play cricket with Pakistan.

and so on...