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Karthik S wrote:

arshyam wrote: This is a very important point, saar, thanks for bringing this up. Adheenams in TN aren't as big as in KA (think Siddaganga Math). The Siddaganga math also runs a lot of educational institutions, and provides spiritual grounding for a lot of people in the community. Various communities have their own mathas, like for Adichunchanagiri for Vokkaligas. Then there is Sringeri math, the ashta mathas in Udupi, etc. Together, they all help consolidate Hindu culture, which is why the rice-bag EJ types haven't been able to make any inroads in KA.

In TN, most of the mathas like the Kanchi math are regarded as Brahmins' institutions, which was why Jayalalitha was able to get away with the Shankaracharya's arrest. Beyond that, people's devotion is personal and simply go to the nearest temple, thiruvizha, etc. But this is also opens some people towards poaching by the EJ types.

Anyway, I am sure you know all this, but wanted to elaborate on your point for everyone's benefit, as I too think this is a significant difference between TN and KA when it comes to cultural and spiritual issues. AP is perhaps similar to TN in this regard: lots of famous and crowded temples at Tirupati, Kalahasthi, Srisailam, Bhadrachalam, Kanakadurga, Mantralayam, etc., but EJ activity for some reason continues unabated. Of course, it would be good to get some insights from AP+TS folks on this...

Shyam, the EJs have been way too powerful since the beginning because of DK and DMK gangs. Many such hindu figures have been falsely targeted and people still voted same parties. Even if TN had as many mathas as KA, all of them would have been hounded off by EJs with the help of D parties.

Yes, now they are powerful, and we can see the repeated attacks on Sadhguru and Sri Sri. But there is no other way I can think of saar. It's a hard fight, and will have to be fought. Just talking about Hindu issues when it is only a personal matter of faith won't win votes, people need to be invested in it.

MHA suits him more I think. After some level, one needs to focus on leveraging the strengths rather than looking to grow in new areas.

ShyamSP wrote:Can the posters cross-post above aadheenam/temple posts in KL/TN thread?

done saar.

@chandrasekaran, @vsunder, @Theeran, @Karthik S and @krisna, I have cross posted your related posts to the TN thread as they are more relevant there.

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@AmitShah may be next defence minister of India. The Ministry of Home Affairs or the Ministry of Defense, deep discussion is in progress. @nsitharaman may be next foreign Minister.

But we need a full time defence minister, and NS was growing well into the role. Hope she is not moved. AS will also have spend time on party issues, unfinished work in areas like WB (not sure what their plan for TN and KL is, so not counting that). Also it would be good to a technocratic type for the Def min, simply because of the technical complexity of the domain. Wish Parrikar were still with us.

How about AS as the HRD minister?

We weed a hard core no-nonsense nationalist to clean up decades of muck, and it is absolutely essential work for the future of our civilisation. A lot of the work here will tie into politics, which would nicely dovetail into his political role as party chief too. It will also have a really wide impact. Thoughts?

But please, please give Javadekar the boot.

arshyam wrote:How about AS as the HRD minister?

Yogender Yadav will move to Mongolia if this happens

PS: corrected typo as i would be hounded by Yak herder

vsunder wrote:What to do onlee, when you see butcher shops on the outer walls of the prakaram at the Great temple at Tiruvannamalai, or the mounds of refuse thrown on to Arunachala hill and illegal colonies on its eastern slope, reactions such as you report make me absolutely convinced that TN is becoming increasingly brain dead.
Now you hardly ever see any young man or young women in any of the advanced schools run by GoI under the auspices of the National center of Math. from TN or Kerala. Most are from Bengal, and from Northeast, hey even some from Cashmere. This is also the story of new entrants into DAE institutes like the TIFR. Kerala and TN are doing something else, do not know what. One day I might write a post exposing all this with names. But not today, a day of great celebration and joy so let us enjoy.

It would be good to hear your perspective saar.

arshyam wrote:

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@AmitShah may be next defence minister of India. The Ministry of Home Affairs or the Ministry of Defense, deep discussion is in progress. @nsitharaman may be next foreign Minister.

But we need a full time defence minister, and NS was growing well into the role. Hope she is not moved. AS will also have spend time on party issues, unfinished work in areas like WB (not sure what their plan for TN and KL is, so not counting that). Also it would be good to a technocratic type for the Def min, simply because of the technical complexity of the domain. Wish Parrikar were still with us.

someone with experience of project management would be perfect for RM. not sure who fits the bill.

^ That is great news if true. Need to sort out the local production to fight a war like a major power would. Set up continuous delivery of ordnance from the factories to our western neighbor.

V_Raman wrote:I guess you could say they believed their press and voted that way. Now they know better for the next time. Agree that it is a slow process. I am still surprised that one can trust the press this much in this day and age!

Problem of being 100% literate saar . I have stopped subscribing to physical copies of Malayalam news papers last year, because the negative propaganda on BJP and Central Govt. was becoming really too much to bear. Subtle lies, or misrepresentation of issue was the norm. To be frank, I could spot the difference only because of internet & on line forums like this. Now consider a person in KL who has not gone out of the state, and only reads news papers like the ones I mentioned above.

Atmavik wrote:lets not be that harsh.. it takes a lot to conquer a fortress electorally. masses need to believe that you are a viable option other wise its a wasted vote.

Exactly. To be frank, I did not think people trusted the KL state level BJP. They have faith in few leaders, but the KL BJP leadership is known for its infighting. Even Amit Shah could not do much on it. The KL people would have felt that if a proper resolution has to be done for Sabari Mala (in a legal way), the only possibility is for the Congress. Commies any way will never form a government in India. And KL folks believed that Ra.Ga is their new messiah and helping him win, would resolve their problems.

If KL people get convinced that both INC and their favourite CPI(M) are useless at a national level; only then would they think of an alternative. And off course close monitoring of foreign fundings and closing the taps where ever necessary.

disha wrote:
Can D Aravind & Bandi Sanjay be groomed as future BJP leaders and CM? D. Aravind seems to have right ideas, I am surprised that Nizamabad does not have a local turmeric board! Lot can be done in Nizamabad using turmeric and it can become a multi-million in USD business world wide!! Imagine a multi-million dollar business (or more) coming from a single district. It is doable.

A couple of visits by NaMo and repeat of doubling agricultural income on turmeric and ginger and some projects connecting Adilabad-Warangal corridor into Maharashtra and developing Warangal into a mini-industrial hub will pay in spades. From there the next steps will be to get the krishna/godavari districts in place.

I have no viable suggestions to offer, except Shah should keep collecting more such candidates and let state leadership grow organically out of the medley..

Karthi won in Shivganga per official CongI list.

Congress exposing Barkha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5i-oj702q0

Get ready gents!

Tweet from mohatarama IIham Omar of Islamic republic of USA.

PM Modi's rule in India has corresponded with the spread of violent Hindu nationalism and hate crimes against Muslims.

The United States should stand for religious freedom in India and the fair treatment of all religious minorities.

Some one asked about the oath ceremony:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 490765.cms
New Modi team likely to take oath on May 30
Foreign heads of state may be in attendance; process of finalising new ministry underway
Prime Minister Narendra Modi met President Ram Nath Kovind on Friday evening and tendered his resignation along with the council of ministers. He is likely to take oath, along with his new ministry, on the evening of May 30 in the forecourt of Rashtrapati Bhavan.
The process of finalising the leaders who will be sworn in as ministers has begun, and the National Democratic Alliance (NDA) partners have sent feelers on the number of berths they expect.
Modi is likely to invite some foreign heads of state for his oath taking ceremony, sources said.
The PM chaired the last meeting of his council of ministers on Friday evening, where a resolution to dissolve the 16th Lok Sabha was passed. Finance minister Arun Jaitley did not attend the meeting due to ill health.
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SriKumar wrote:

Peregrine wrote: Congress president Rahul Gandhi (right) and Priyanka Gandhi at a press conference in New Delhi.
Cheers

The guy on far left who is 'ghoor ghoor ke dekhing at Yuvraj...that's Darth Ahmed Patel. His re-election as Rajya Sabha member comes up in 4 years. Some unifinished business for Shah to attend to (one might recall what happend in 2017 ...he won by a whisker because 2 congress votes against him were disqualified on a technicality).

If I am not mistaken, the case against his election is still pending with the courts. He can be taken out provided GOI is determined to oust him.

BTW, A lot of cases where stalled in the courts by the judges waiting for the outcome. Expect a lot of them to now move forward and expect quite a few of them to deliver merit based verdict now that the direction for the next 5 years is clear.

E.g. Take the Karti and PC case. They have been getting bail after bail for more than a year. This could be expected to stop within 6 months. The CON pasand judges will not be able to stall action any further.

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@AmitShah may be next defence minister of India. The Ministry of Home Affairs or the Ministry of Defense, deep discussion is in progress. @nsitharaman may be next foreign Minister.

Nirmala ji did an excellent job as RM, wonder why change now.. hope to see Amit Shah are the new Home minster to expand NRC across the country, handle Jihadidi, keep EJ Jagan & DMK in check, etc...

siddhu wrote:I heard some talk about Ghar wapasi of Jagan by Modi ji. Would be wonderful if it's true.

What do you mean by "ghar wapasi"?

If it is support for BJP at the center, it was on cards in exchange for extra moolas for the state to be looted via special projects. As luck would have it, there is NO such requirement at the center!

If you meant it in its original sense of "ghar wapasi". it is not happening. It's all hope and delusion. One does expect, given the nature of the center/state relation, the EJ activities of the states of Andhar would be minimum quite unlike during the tenure of the Father.

Jagan still has cases pending where a non-adversarial Delhi matters. Jagan needs the Delhi for any extra fund for signature projects that he may want to implement. Japan himself had done a lot of "outward" Hindu activities to project a non-threating posture to the Hindus. To that extent he will be very cautious.

Nitin Gadkari won't be better for creating Military industrial COMPLEX? His focused project management on roads and infrastructure projects....

Actually, three muslims fought as BJP candidates in Kashmir. All three of them got very few votes. Some 1000s iirc.

Let's hammer this truth in sickular faces. BJP considers muslim sentiments. It's the muslims who hate BJP.

Added later,

For Srinagar, Sheikh Khalid Jehangir contested on BJP ticket. He got 1962 EVM votes, 2584 Migrant votes(highest) and 85 postal. Total votes 4631 - 2.48% vote share.

For Baramulla, MOHD MAQBOOL WAR. 5500(EVM) 1813(Migrant) 581(Postal) 7894(total) 1.73(voteshare)

For Ananthnag, SOFI YOUSUF 2436(E) 7251(M) 538(P) 10225(T) 8.19(V.S.)

In three seats, they got highest number of migrant votes. But very few muslim votes. Who hates whom? Hypocrisy is thy name.

V_Raman wrote:But that is turncoat dhimmi behavior! They need to vote for what they believe in. KL deserves what it is getting then...

Sorry .. too simplistic an analysis.

They DID vote for SabriMala by voting CONgoons! If one re-calls, after the initial "with the court verdict" BOTH BJP and CON did an about turn. CON did change its stand though it was more muted when compared to BJP.

Therefore, it was logical to vote for CON IF they believed that CON were going to form the next government in Delhi, even when the vote was for SabriMala.

^Besides that, there was very little chance for BJP outside of 3 constituencies (that too was iffy), so basically they would be wasting their votes on BJP and would have let the commies get away with murder. At least this way they could punish the commies.

Smriti Irani should be back in HRD. She did great job earlier.

one of them is, text books available in website in pdf format,,
I think textbook lobby dint like her.

Could be. But rumors were some of her own people didn't like her. Some senior dudes found her too bossy and assertive.

AS for Home
Rajnath for Defense
PiyushG for Finance
AJ(If his health permits) for External

That's killer combo.

Manish_Sharma wrote:Nitin Gadkari won't be better for creating Military industrial COMPLEX? His focused project management on roads and infrastructure projects....

+1 on Nitin Gadkari, he should be given a target of reaching 70% capex spend on indian designed-and-made with in 5 years. Honestly I don't know why some people are so impressed with NS, found her tenure meh.

there is 1.4 trillion USD of spending planned over the next 5 years on Infra, most of it on transport. Gadkari ji has to remain in the transport/industry/infra domain to see it through.

Smriti Irani could be given information and broadcasting imo.

MHRD need a heavyweight and the incumbents spell was not so good. could MMJ be enticed out of retirement to lead , with a energetic person under him ? else any other culture czar will do, so long as history mess gets cleaned out. need someone not afraid to take on the liberandus. VK Singh maybe ?

or VKS and Rathore/Rijiju should be given defence as Sr and Jr with a charter to push and fund all domestic projects. it will be very hard for the dalals to push them around.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/bus ... 478155.cms

A $1.4 trillion spending push tops Modi 2.0 agenda
Bloomberg | Updated: May 24, 2019, 17:29 IST

30% of that 1 lakh crore will go into transport
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/bus ... 490710.cms

https://www.bloombergquint.com/politics ... lth-issues
17th Lok Sabha: Arun Jaitley Unlikely To Be Part Of New Modi Cabinett
Union finance minister Arun Jaitley is unlikely to be a part of Prime Minister Narendra Modi's new cabinet in the government's second term due to his ill health, people with knowledge of the matter said. Jaitley, 66, has become "very weak" as his health has deteriorated over the past few weeks, the people said. His ill health may require him to travel to either the U.K. or the U.S. for treatment of an undisclosed illness. Jaitley has has developed some throat condition as well that prevents him from speaking for long, the people added. He was earlier this week admitted to the All India Institute of Medical Sciences in Delhi to undergo tests and treatment for an undisclosed illness. He was discharged on Thursday but did not attend celebrations at the Bharatiya Janata Party headquarters after the party's victory in the 2019 Lok Sabha elections. Jaitley is not keen to take up a ministerial position in the new Modi government, the people said, and may have conveyed to Modi his unwillingness to hold any position. Doctors have advised him to go to the U.K. or the U.S. for treatment, they said.
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Karan M wrote:Could be. But rumors were some of her own people didn't like her. Some senior dudes found her too bossy and assertive.

May be the time has come to side line the senior dudes. What they did post SI is for everyone to see.

And if those senior dudes are bureaucrats or educationists in the ministry, then those guys need to be purged ruthlessly anyway.

NG is needed for infra push. That's the key for not only our long term economy but short term job situation as well.

The job and cashflow situation is pathetic to say the least, though no fault from central govt side but an extremely strong concerted push is required to cross the hump on 2024

Gen VK singh should be external affairs... To deal with paikanistan on daily basis

jaysimha wrote:Gen VK singh should be external affairs... To deal with paikanistan on daily basis

why waste him there. pakistan is our least of external affairs concerns - its a military and internal security matter.
EAM is needing to deal with various orgs under UN and G20 types.

I dont think we should move Amit Shah into a Ministry, he is a Chanakya needed to win election after election (and the cycle is endless, with crucial state elections coming up)

(1): Nitin Gadkari, Piyush Goyal, Nirmala Sitharaman, Rajnath Singh, Ravi Shankar Prasad
(2) : Rajyavardhan Rathore, VK Singh, Babul Supriyo, Giriraj Singh, Prakash Javadekar, Suresh Prabhu, Jayant Sinha
(3) : Rajiv Pratap Rudy, Kirron Kher, Meenakshi Lekhi, Harsh Vardhan, Rao Inderjit Singh, Anurag Singh Thakur, Tejasvi Surya, Poonam Mahajan, Basanta Kumar Panda, Smiriti Irani, Maneka Gandhi, Ravi Kishan, Dharmendra Pradhan, Kiren Rijiju.
(4) Others who will likely have to be accommodated: Chirag Paswan, People from Shiv Sena, Telangana, Karnataka, Other allies etc.

Top Tier (1) gets: Raksha Mantri, Finance, Railways, Home and MEA.

Sachin, dont get into old cliches, for this elections have upended a lot of boundaries in Kerala! Need to go deeper into the party sources, for the raw feel, but will post more about my observations later

Here are my assessments based on two constituencies I have traveled a bit this time (Trivandrum and Thrissur).

Statewise results:
- BJP voteshare from 2014 was 10.33% overall in Kerala. It did not change much in 2016 State elections(10.6%). It jumped up to 12.33% this time (wiki links not avaiable yet, but is based on NDTV one)

- Cong voteshare was 31% (2014), 23.8% (2016 State) and a whopping 37.27% for 2019.

- Commie voteshare 21.6%(2014), swung up to 26.7% (2016 State) and a rather small dip to 25.83% in 2019

What it means is pretty straightforward: the swing vote this time was majorly the Ayyappas and the major factor for win margins is a record turnout of minorities

1) Ayyappa anger was genuine and influential, its anger needed only one thing to satiate - end of Pinarayi

2) Ayyappa segment wanted nothing but an electoral slap on the face of Pinarayi, and in the beginning, BJP was the prime candidate to deliver that slap, based on my talk with a whole spectrum of Ayyappas. But the final figures above show that BJP state leadership floundered badly (as I kept for past 10 months), except for Surendran and Suresh Gopi. Surendran is the star who did well, because of his genuineness and Suresh Gopi, because he found the pulse of youth like that other affable candidate, Ramya Haridas, to rope in 2 lacs of voters who otherwise wont vote BJP. Both are case-studies for local BJP. I suspect the Ayyapas wanted to hear how Modi govt is going to help their cause, but they did not hear that other than the bottled-response "Modi is awesome, he will do something"

3) State Congress, the agile operators as ever, was consistent in its opposition to Pinarayi in the matter of Sabarimala. Right from the day, the first ayyappa raised his fist into the sky, they kept the protest against Pinarayi going. Rahul Gandhi made lots of mistakes in Sabarimala, in trying to keep his liberal-chatteratii fans of Khan Market (love that term ) happy. But the state Cong leaders were not budging and was opposing Pinarayi vehemently. Cong leaders like Kannur-winner Sudhakaran and that upcoming Jyothikumar Chammakkala etc even went rogue against Rahul's pronouncements, both on TV and on ground, giving stump speeches against Supreme Court verdict. The Ayyappas do observe such details, when a set of local party leaders are ready to defy national leaders (even if a show) and risking contempt of court. The local BJP on the other hand, led by the buffoonish Sreedharan Pillai bumbled from one blunderous statement to another, while a reported tweet of Amit Shah welcoming the court verdict went viral within hours. Earlier also, someone advised Field Marshal with that ill-fated "Happy Vamana Jayanthi" tweet BS, which again caused havoc

4) As part of regular programming over five years, the minorities were fed a lot of anti-Modi crap, led by commies and of course the Cong. It rose to a crescendo, when just before elections, the scare that Sabarimala issue is going to propel BJP as a major political party, came into play. Some of them would have voted for commies, but then every minority know the commies are as useful as a padre's balls, when going against Modi in Parliament. They voted enmasse for Cong (even the leftie-minorities) and their turnout was in record numbers.

Conclusion: the party with the most agile leaders won

One does not know what Dileep's assessment of Dr Tharoor failing in Trivandrum is based on? If you look at the massive turnout for voting in his bastion assembly segments, it was obvious that his ward managers were able to checkmate any flow of Hindu-left votes to Shree Kumanam. Add to that, the fact that Dr Tharoor is immensely popular among urban voters due to his accessibility and regular visits to Trivandrum temples (which he tweets with metronemical regularity) over past ten years. You need a local candidate with grass roots appeal to up-end him. And after counting we know he did really well in left-BJP areas too. Except for Nemom, which is the sole BJP constituency in assembly.

Picklu wrote:

Karan M wrote:Could be. But rumors were some of her own people didn't like her. Some senior dudes found her too bossy and assertive.

May be the time has come to side line the senior dudes. What they did post SI is for everyone to see.

And if those senior dudes are bureaucrats or educationists in the ministry, then those guys need to be purged ruthlessly anyway.

Actually Internet is full of stories like how these boards are filled with congi pasand.



requires iron fist to clean this

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Ardeshir wrote:Terrible news - not so much about his role as Fin Min which has been taken up by Piyush Goel anyway, but regarding his deteriorating health.
Looks like all karmayogis end up ignoring their health till its too late.

More than karma yogi, its gluttony and refusing to take care of ones health. Your body is one thing you must respect and many politicians dont. If your body is giving way at 66, and you dont have a condition like cancer, you have disrespected your body over an entire lifetime and its finally giving out. All it really takes is 30 minutes of exercise every day, and several days of upwaas an year to keep it fighting fit. Look at Advani ji, Yogi ji or even Modi ji! Yogi ji in particular is blessed.. he sleeps 4-5 hours a day and is as fighting fit as a soldier. Modi ji works like a demon.. I feel if he reduces his work by an hour or two a day to give his body time to recover, the total amount of work his body will put out over his life time will increase.

How about a wee bit of regard to a dying man?
Who helped NaMo come to power inside BJP and helped him navigate lutyens traps to the best of his ability since 2002 riots till his health finally gave away?

A diabetic, Jaitley’s health issues became worse after he had a kidney transplant in May last year. He also had to skip the interim budget in February when he was in hospital in the United States getting cancer treatment.

https://in.reuters.com/article/india-po ... NKCN1SU0UN

Indeed, Lilo, Shree Jaitley's illness had nothing to do with gluttony! Big C has affected a lot of leaders of all parties and we dont know the reason or if it is lifestyle triggered

sudeepj, you need to dial down your post temperature a wee notch. This is the second time you are attracting admin attention. Please co-operate

Modi Ji's first signature this time should be awarding a Padma award to Dilbu Ji.

It is the best time for this government to recognise the rare but important talent of proven Anti Jinx skills of Dilbu Ji and how he has been rendering his selfless service to the nation for years.

Yes, that post is in bad taste.

SudeepJ please edit. We should not disrespect an individual who was a key part of protecting Modi and the entire government.

My pranam's to Shri Jaitley for his service to the nation. All said and done, he played a vital role in standing with Namo through thick and thin. He was the shield wall protecting NaMo from legal traps.