Bharat Rakshak

williams wrote: ↑11 Oct 2023 10:04

chetak wrote: ↑11 Oct 2023 09:41





williams ji,


what if Modi withdrew from the QUAD on a unilateral basis, just saying onlee............

There are literally so many options. But the Western powers by large do not want to push India into the Russia-China camp. There will be some annoyance from the old guard for sure but nothing that will anger India to do something drastic. It will be quiet until the Chinese are contained, but by then India needs to grow into a large enough pole. We have a window of maybe another decade or two. If we continue to be shy to grow our hard power then nobody will respect us. Hopefully, people understand that we don't want another MMS-Pappu-type clown central govt ever.

williams ji,


It's not what "we" want but what "they" want and what they are capable of doing to achieve that......

Regime change is a well practiced and perfected narrative under the forcibly enforced alternative, using big words and phrases like: freedom of choice, power to choose, and the right to choose et al and often used option by the goras because the target govt is either majoritarian, authoritarian, autocratic, dictatorial, draconian, or even "non inclusive and unmindful of minority rights"

'India Is No Longer a Democracy but an 'Electoral Autocracy' seems to be the gora consensus, thus targeting and delegitimizing India's electoral process which is the fairest, most transparent, democratic and non parallel to this exists anywhere else in the world. The results are declared quickly, the process of counting is physically witnessed by representatives of all parties and they sign off on the correctness of the counting process. Only then is the winner of that particular constituency declared as having won the seat

The transition of power, when it takes place is non violent and peaceful, unlike many of the so called "democracies" in the west, including paragons of democratic virtue in europe and amrika

The goras even insult us by sending "observers" to "witness" some of our elections

Over the last few weeks I have had several interactions with my fellow upper cast Bihari, in social settings in Delhi and Gurgaon.

Every single one of them is rabidly anti Modi.

It was not even possible to tell them the logical inconsistencies in their own arguments.

Pratyush wrote: ↑11 Oct 2023 11:37 Over the last few weeks I have had several interactions with my fellow upper cast Bihari, in social settings in Delhi and Gurgaon.

Every single one of them is rabidly anti Modi.

It was not even possible to tell them the logical inconsistencies in their own arguments.

Pratyush
Who or what kind of ruling dispensation do they want to see in power in Delhi in 2024? Just curious.

Pratyush wrote: ↑11 Oct 2023 11:37 Every single one of them is rabidly anti Modi.

it might depend on how you define the uc, imo:
the bhumihars are the strongest supporters of the bjp, followed by the rajput, kayastha and then brahmin, in that order, problem is of the 4, kayastha are numerically insignificant and can only realistically impact patna and patliputra, and the rest might get influenced by geographical upbringing, like in buxar, the presence of anti-bjp is strong as a reaction against the antics of shri ranveer sena of yore, might also be dependent on age, of the younger lot i have not met such disklike, though it be present in the older folk

from anecdotes and personal experience, most are not anti-bjp but rather anti-modi and that has been true for a long time now, it might also help to look at it geographically, bjp always has strong support in north bihar, north of ganga than in south bihar





in the above, the centre line is ganga btw

They don't say openly, but they want Rahul.

Pratyush wrote: ↑11 Oct 2023 11:37 Over the last few weeks I have had several interactions with my fellow upper cast Bihari, in social settings in Delhi and Gurgaon.

Every single one of them is rabidly anti Modi.

It was not even possible to tell them the logical inconsistencies in their own arguments.

This is the notorious mental blindness of Hindus (common trait among most Hindus that brings them to grief again and again as it leads to poor decisions when it comes to choosing their leaders). Hence, Hindus rejected Savarkar in favor of Gandhi, and got their backside burnt when Muslims grabbed 1/3rd of India's land for themselves, and then refused to leave India.

Pratyush wrote: ↑11 Oct 2023 15:43 They don't say openly, but they want Rahul.

What they want is for an anti-Hindu to rule over them. They are missing being whipped by Mughals and British. This itch of Hindus to choose anti-Hindus to rule over them, you will see all over India (choosing Mamta in Bengal, Kejri in Delhi, Congress in Karnataka, Communists in Kerala, DMK in Tamil Nadu). There is almost a psychotic desire to get themselves whipped. THis is actually due to a deep-seated inferiority complex in one's Hindu identity. What they are saying with their behavior is: "We are pathetic gutter people and are embarassed that we exist. We don't deserve to be around. Someone should come and finish us or at least punish us for who we are."

Pratyush wrote: ↑11 Oct 2023 15:43 They don't say openly, but they want Rahul.

I bet they are above 45. Or above 50. Btw Rahul has promised to remove 50% restriction on reservations so there's that too.

Pratyush wrote: ↑11 Oct 2023 15:43 They don't say openly, but they want Rahul.

saar,

so, hundreds of nitishwa's palti maars, immoral gathbandhans with convicted thugs, and opportunistic alliances to solely benefit himself to remain in power, and perpetuate his cushy life at govt expense has not all been forgotten or forgiven by the aam abdools in bihar

except for his eternal bleating on a "special status" to BH, his state, which BTW, he did not do much for in terms of governance and modernization in his decades of "leadership", he has left many biharis hopelessly yearning for a coveted "govt" job.


pappu can only do worse, if his credible impersonation of a cat on a hot tin roof is any indication of his abilities, given his low attention span, and frequent jumping from topic to topic, cause to cause, madcap scheme to madcap scheme......

well, like joseph de maistre said "In a democracy, the people end up with the government and leaders they deserve"

Pratyush wrote: ↑11 Oct 2023 11:37 Over the last few weeks I have had several interactions with my fellow upper cast Bihari, in social settings in Delhi and Gurgaon.

Every single one of them is rabidly anti Modi.

It was not even possible to tell them the logical inconsistencies in their own arguments.

Same in Telugu states. Dominant upper castes (Reddy, Kamma, Kapu, Velama) are all anti-Modi preferring their caste parties instead.
Reddy/YSRCP/Jagan.
Kamma/TDP/CBN.
Kapu/Janasena/Pawan kalyan,
Velama/TRS/KCR.

Of all these groups, Kamma lot are the most rabidly anti-Modi at this moment. But they adore Vajyapee (who had good ties with CBN during previous coalition years). Their conspiracy theory is BJP/YSRCP/TRS/MIM are all together and BJP is firing at their caste leader CBN on the backs of YSRCP/TRS. They are now rooting for Congress/Pappu Gandhi "to teach Modi a lesson".

Imo, it's not the anti Hindu or pro Hindu issue. Having someone like modi means you only go higher up the social /economic ladder on merit.
Small time corruption, loot, reservations all create avenues of wealth generation. Think of it like a lottery or casino. Many people will lose, but the ones who win, do so because of either luck or deceit. And they can win really big. Something a meritorious society can only provide if you are exceptional in talent and hard work .

Most people who support anyone other than modi, I have come to understand, want to protect their illegal wealth.

Pryatush ji, I am not saying that you are lying ....is just the sample size. What you may say can still be true and people have been known to lying in surveys (and their guards are not so up during personal interactions)
Please look at the survey done just last week (and after caste survey in Bihar). Please see from mark 14.44 minutes (copied as such).

https://youtu.be/cPmP11g_MPI?t=855

Unless the surveying agencies are lying or the channel or the samples here are the outcomes of voting -

Rajputs - 72% NDA, 15% con/rjd/jdu, 13% others
kayastha are 70%, 13% 17%
bania -81%, 10% 9%
brahman 75%, 8% and 17%
bhumiyars -72%, 15% and 13%

But what you say is the undercurrent then it is interesting stat. Would you want to say which upper caste that is? I have a theory, or a hunch.
What is happening is, in Modi's India, you can rise if you have talent and initiative. You don't need polished education (disadvantage so called upper caste as they have better education) or reach (again disadvantage UC, baap/uncle/mama not needed in high position) or muscle power (disadvantage some UC but mostly muslims)...so you have a disadvantage caste guy (true story) opening a mobile shop and due to his good nature, hard work he is after 10 years earning 1 carore a year while all the UC from his neighborhood are chasing very less available govt job, etc etc. Are they pissed and jealous of his rise? Sure, now none of his aunt's go around cleaning someone house, they have to perhaps do it themselves. He has a house that is now taller than all else (before it hole in the ground). This has pissed some (not all) UC and they blame Modi for this loss of apparent power. But my reading has been, these were always con voters. That is how still Con gets 5% vote in UP. Mostly these hangers on.

Let me make it clear, I am a Bihari Brahmin.

The people who are Anti Modi, were all Brahmins and Bhumihars.

All are well educated and well travelled. In different walks of life. Such as corporate sector, education, self employed, etc.


They are not able to understand that someone who is not fit to be an employee of their company. By definition is not fit to be the PM of the country.

Forward Caste arrogance I have seen some of these corporate fellows from Bihar. They seem to carry the same feudal arrogance even now.

fanne wrote: ↑11 Oct 2023 22:09 Pryatush ji, I am not saying that you are lying ....is just the sample size. What you may say can still be true and people have been known to lying in surveys (and their guards are not so up during personal interactions)
Please look at the survey done just last week (and after caste survey in Bihar). Please see from mark 14.44 minutes (copied as such).

https://youtu.be/cPmP11g_MPI?t=855

Unless the surveying agencies are lying or the channel or the samples here are the outcomes of voting -

Rajputs - 72% NDA, 15% con/rjd/jdu, 13% others
kayastha are 70%, 13% 17%
bania -81%, 10% 9%
brahman 75%, 8% and 17%
bhumiyars -72%, 15% and 13%

fanne ji,


The surveying agencies are lying through their yellowed teeth and have been bribed to skew the results.

जिसकी लाठी उसकी भैंस, matlab, whoever has paid the survey team has called the shots.

many of the castes who are being shown in the low percentages are saying so openly, and they are also very angry.....

This will blow up in nitishwa's face and singe luloo in the bargain

one would expect nothing less than wholesale manipulation in BH, especially with मिद्धदोष अपराधी luloo on the loose and his cunning offspring in charge

Pratyush wrote: ↑12 Oct 2023 09:13 They are not able to understand that someone who is not fit to be an employee of their company. By definition is not fit to be the PM of the country.

Sir, your samples are skewed/biased. If these folks are expecting only folks eligible to work for them can hold the appointment of Prime Minister it is their superiority complex which is coming up. For such people, there would be others who think differently as well. I have seen such specimens in the KL Brahmin crowd too. These chaps lost all their landed wealth, but still have a feeling that others should do things the way they want it to be done (and off course pipe-dreams of their heydays in 1940s-1960s).

Sachinji, Chetakji
Today the Hamas cheif or operations cheif yada yada has given a statement that its their duty to establish rule of 'Pious' over planet earth and even though he did not mention India/Hindu but implied as much.
Can these statements and horrors of Israel cannot used during election to sway some of misguided or stupid or 'Stockholm Syndrome' Afflicted ones to change their views???
meaning election CD can be easy to make noo!

Yagnasri wrote: ↑12 Oct 2023 12:26 Forward Caste arrogance I have seen some of these corporate fellows from Bihar. They seem to carry the same feudal arrogance even now.

+1

SRajesh wrote:Today the Hamas cheif or operations cheif yada yada has given a statement that its their duty to establish rule of 'Pious' over planet earth and even though he did not mention India/Hindu but implied as much.
Can these statements and horrors of Israel cannot used during election

It has already started. I saw some trolls/memes in Facebook which has the Mullah's speech on the top of a video, with the bottom part showing a message - that the Congress party supports Palestine. And off course the truth about Indira Ghandi gifting money and awards to Yasser Arafath, Rajiv Ghandi also giving away peace prize to him; and finally Arafath supporting Pakistan are all getting circulated now.

The only place Hamas is getting support are from the Religion of Peace pockets, and off course from secular & liberal politicians.

Why is Prashant Kishore so quiet and completely absent from news these days? Something must be cooking..

Tanaji wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023 01:17 Why is Prashant Kishore so quiet and completely absent from news these days? Something must be cooking..

Possibly waiting for Assembly elections to get over so he can make his pitch for LS. Results will indicate which side the wind is blowing.

Annamalai is the next gen leader after Yogi and Himanta

Tanaji wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023 01:17 Why is Prashant Kishore so quiet and completely absent from news these days? Something must be cooking..

PK is a chillar fellow in the larger scheme, Tanaji bhau.

Sachinji
Now the penny drops!!
No wonder the Dotty alliance have shot off a letter to X and Meta for equal=equal!!
Having said that there is still a lot of 'Stockholm Syndrome' afflicting fair sections of the society

Vayutuvan wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023 10:09

Tanaji wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023 01:17 Why is Prashant Kishore so quiet and completely absent from news these days? Something must be cooking..

PK is a chillar fellow in the larger scheme, Tanaji bhau.

Vayutuvan ji,


PK is an over rated poseur whose sole objective was to enter parliament on the back of any political party that he "helped"

Is it any surprise that he "helped" so many of them in his elusive quest for that slippery seat

He was ejected after the 2014 elections where he claimed responsibility for the BJP's victory and pressed them for the RS seat

He even joined nitishwa's party: he was promised a LS seat and later unceremoniously booted out for interfering in party affairs

Poll strategist Prashant Kishor launched his political career today by joining Nitish Kumar's Janata Dal (United). Prashant was inducted into the party during its state executive meeting in Patna at Nitish's house.

No one trusts him today....he is an egoistical, self serving, morally flexible and a dangerous control freak with a "god" mentality

PK very similar to AK then

Maybe he is making another 600 slide presentation for someone

Any idea if the caste census/survey was part of his presentation to the INC a year or so back?

This is what the congis have always done right off the bat in any state that they have come to power but the BJP had a stupid minister who publicly claimed that they have "Not rewritten a single history chapter in 4 years: Javadekar"


https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/p ... 2018-09-27

New Karnataka education policy: Yogendra Yadav, the protestor for hire, and Professor Japhet, who drafted anti-superstition bill specifically targeting Hindu rituals, part of committee

Former UGC chief Sukhdev Thorat to be chairman of Karnataka’s new State Education Policy Commission

Thorat is about as Maratha (upper caste) as it gets , interesting that he is chairman institue of dalit studies

Wrong thread

@chetak, @vayutuvan, @tanaji, @ManishP

If you guys are interested to know what PK is upto see this recent most video of him with Republic Bharat uploaded yesterday (Video is in Hindi but english sub titles are available):

how is the dotty alliance going to handle this


This is open defiance, this guy may even stand as an independent

Need to watch this....

This is really shocking



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvFrcV3_Xg0


Tarar tells Why Pakistan Lost Match to India: Why Will India rise More after Middle East Conflict?

The unravelling of heroes with feet of clay,.......................the conspiracy,...the gadari,.....partition and beyond


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX9RLW7U8r8


Why was Mountbatten made free India's first Guv General? Historian Prof Kapil Kumar reflects





Based on the evidence in Mountbatten's Report on the Last Viceroyalty: 22 March - 15 August 1947 by Dr Lionel Carter

This volume reproduces in full Mountbatten's own account of the last five months of British rule in India based on reports he sent to London at the time. Written with disarming frankness, we witness the failure of Mountbatten's initial attempts to secure independence on the basis of a united India. The figures of Gandhi, Jinnah, Nehru, Vallabhbhai Patel and other key leaders loom large in this account.

chetak wrote: ↑15 Oct 2023 15:55 Need to watch this....

This is really shocking

Saar this is nothing but typical Pakjabi behaviour aka “girey to bhi taang oopar”. These RAPEs still havent come to terms with the fact that Indians have left them far behind in all fields and are still involved in delusions of Mughal grandeur of old and their rights therein. They are now coming up with febrile and conspiracy theory excuses to try to explain their defeat to themselves. Rohit and co. have given them such an ass whooping that they have now started losing grip on reality by resorting to tired old tropes of match fixing.

Pratyush wrote: ↑12 Oct 2023 09:13 Let me make it clear, I am a Bihari Brahmin.

The people who are Anti Modi, were all Brahmins and Bhumihars.

All are well educated and well travelled. In different walks of life. Such as corporate sector, education, self employed, etc.


They are not able to understand that someone who is not fit to be an employee of their company. By definition is not fit to be the PM of the country.

I just don't understand this twisted mental disease. I see it also amongst Bengali Brahmins who know what happened in 197 but are now manufacturing delusions for Durga Puja becoming a non Hindu festival (lol). There was a small group of Kashmiri Brahmins who was also like this. Is it a nutritional deficiency because of which they cannot look at the bigger picture.
There are some relatives of mine who speak the same.
Recently I was talking to a Namboodari lady over a cup of tea and she was all angry about the boy who got slapped case. I pointed it out that this was common in Indian schools and Muslims were pretty fine in India. She literally stomped off leaving midway till I called her back to split the bill.

It's like a deep rooted "Stockholm" syndrome gene.
Perhaps Bharat being the mystical land she is will have her way and these groups will die out in most part.

Jarita wrote: ↑16 Oct 2023 03:13 I just don't understand this twisted mental disease.

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Is it a nutritional deficiency because of which they cannot look at the bigger picture.

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It's like a deep rooted "Stockholm" syndrome gene.

I believe "Stockholm syndrome" and virtue signaling is a basic human trait. If you think about it, paying obeisance to a jealous G*d, or to implacable r*ligi*us elders, or submitting to the burq*h are all "Stockholm syndrome" and virtue signaling. IOW, you got to oppress people in order to win their respect and compliance. The famous story of Stalin and the hen comes to mind (it's most probably not a true story, but the message is very instructive).

Other r*ligi*ns manage to keep the SS and VS directed *inwards* and all the ire directed *outwards.* That is their strength.

We are the other way. We direct the SS and the VS *outwards* and the ire *inwards.* How do we reverse that? More importantly, do we need to reverse that?

Article behind paywall - It says Netanyahu is finished politically as soon as the war ends. So that sets a template for sudden "regime changes"? Afterall we have more enemies raging with the Political spectrum of India than external ones.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/wor ... 418749.cms