Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 01 Nov 2013 05:49

Modi and BJP supporters have every right to be boyant, yet be cautious and wary of Congress trickery.

We need cricket thread style 24x7 anti jinx mantra till elections happen I think.... given how things are shaping up. But jokes apart, it will give us all a BP issue. Still when Arjun ji started this thread, I never imagined Modi would get so far so as to have a fighting chance, and how prescient he/other folks/BR were on this issue.

It is a nice position to be in. This is a BJP's election to lose; and hope they do not mess it up this time like they did in 2009. 2004 loss can be attributed to being in the power for just one full term and not able to message their accomplishments and provide future vision. 2009 was a massive failure. They better not repeat it.

Right on the dot. 2009 was a complete mess. LKA unfortunately simply did not catch imagination of masses.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 01 Nov 2013 05:50

KJoishy wrote:The wider RG opens his mouth, the more votes he loses!

I hope he continues to speak and campaign with more extempore speeches. He really needs to let us all know what he thinks.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 01 Nov 2013 05:58

Karan M wrote:
KJoishy wrote:The wider RG opens his mouth, the more votes he loses!
I hope he continues to speak and campaign with more extempore speeches. He really needs to let us all know what he thinks.

I posted this in nukkad earlier.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 01 Nov 2013 06:05

I truly hope that happens. BTW did you see this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXXpZ6DZEEM

Compare to (well yeah, a stereotype South Indian character but still, what a parallel to the speech..)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdYqcKWPFGU

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 01 Nov 2013 06:34

An answer to Sankarshan Thakur's criticism of Modi

http://fekukaun.blogspot.in/

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 01 Nov 2013 06:38

Modi can’t be blamed for post-Godhra riots: KPS Gill

http://www.firstpost.com/india/modi-can ... ef_article

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 01 Nov 2013 06:46

Has Part 3 of Great Bong's Modi deconstruction been posted here ? This thread moves so fast it's hard to keep track. Quite a brilliant post, worth being quoted here again:
Greatbong: Deconstructing Modi, Pt 3

member_20292 · Post by **member_20292** » 01 Nov 2013 07:09

Sushupti wrote:

is thisdthe Modi affect?

or, the 'price of onions and fuel' affect ?

probably a combination of the two.

Rahul Mehta · Post by **Rahul Mehta** » 01 Nov 2013 07:35

Yesterday, supreme judges ordered PM\CMs to form a Civil Service Board which will have wide powers over appointment, promotion, transfer etc of apex-babu. IOW, powers of new PM would be drastically reduced.

Now I have been telling all that MNC-owners will put enough checks around NaMo. So finally NaMo will have to follow the MNC\Missionary agenda or not deviate too much. Pls see the above judgment in this light. The MNC-owners are already acting in this direction. The civil service board will be independent. Like that, soon Lokpal bill also get passed, installing 7-10 Santosh Hegde like MNC-agents as Independent Lokpals, who will all sit on NaMo's head. The word independent in Indian context means "controlled by foreign elitemen and desi elitemen", and not by people of India. And power of desi elite is falling day by day due to rising dollar debt on Indian elitemen. They will all soon become line Indian kings after 1860 who were kings only for namesake.

So you will have new PM with PMO not even having 20% strength of what it has today.

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In addition, the paid-Times-of-India is starting Gujarati newspaper which will be Rs 100 for 180 days !! And the person who collects cheque gets Rs 50 commission. And ToI will pay Rs 200 for six months to delivery guy to deliver newspaper, as that is standard charge they charge all. So ToI is giving this newspaper for (Rs minus 150) for six months to readers. And they are collecting this ONLY via cheque and NOT cash. So this leaves out lower class. And the agents to collect cheques are sent to people who live in good areas only. So very soon, cirulation of Gujarati ToI will exceed that of pro-BJP Dainik Bhasker. So too keep a good image on middle class Gujarati voters too , NaMo and his men will have to follow "ToI standard". So you can guess what is coming.

So NaMo is all conrnered from all sided.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 01 Nov 2013 08:29

why stop at civil service boards? why not create policy service boards?

why keep the powers to PMs? instead make it presidential.
why even keep gov for 5 years? make it 2 years.

why just restrain on powers of appointment.. is the issue, when power of retrenchment is actually needed. streamlined governance is what modi mantra is, and it is not without fear they are acting.. all the more they say is that modi is bound to win, shows the fear with in the court system as set in.

hip hip hooray!

btw, removal of corruption can take higher priority to retrench gov employees. once thrown out, jail term is mandatory for any bribery.

prvitization of services is mandatory, while gov is slim to do only regulatory and policy works. forget appointments, when they have become bureaucratic useless machines.. when people agitate, even the courts will come down. don't play with vote power fire! you babooze!

it takes 15 years to move papers.. and in certain cases papers are either missing, stolen or even eaten by rats! the very fabric of democracy can be destroyed if corruption sets in.. the fear of evil is showing up.. they fear their seats going to be shaken up! yeah! throw out these gov corrupt machinery - and re-establish offices.

when kalki avatar sets in.. we shall see!
i am waiting for 2014

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 01 Nov 2013 09:32

By seizing Patel’s legacy, Modi diminishes Nehru-Gandhi dynasty

It seems media house bosses are leaning towards NaMo. I am seeing a slight favorable coverage for NaMo these days. Remarkably, even Hindustan Times and India Today are praising Modi subtly and are taking barbs at Congress and its Shehzada. Its not hedging, Congress will not tolerate even hedging. Probably the realization has crept in business circles that Congress is killing economy and only NaMo can revive it.

See the picture, they are put up a humble NaMo's one. Many times these small things make a big difference. Do not forget to read my "Sane Indian" comment.

habal · Post by **habal** » 01 Nov 2013 09:38

these days, it is common to see 2 BJP reps on the panel and a lone Congress and another secular type viz JD(U), SP, or BSP. This is as clear an indicator as it can get of what the media is thinking.

schowdhuri · Post by **schowdhuri** » 01 Nov 2013 09:42

Sushupti wrote:Does BJP need such relics?

Modi should tone down his rhetoric against Pakistan, says Jawant Singh

http://ibnlive.in.com/videos/431622/mod ... ef_article

Please see the video - the interviewer is cornering Jaswant to get the headlines that you see - even then, Jaswant does not say what the headlines says. He makes generic comments which is conveniently converted into specifics.

The specifics is when he criticizes Rahul, towards the end.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 01 Nov 2013 10:02

snobbish gasbag aarty jerath in the statesman...

Modi to the rescue?

It seems Narendra Modi has decided to take charge of the BJP's floundering Delhi assembly poll campaign. A five-member crack team is on its way from Gujarat to the Capital to oversee the election. The team has been handpicked by Modi and will assume charge of everything, from manifesto, rallies and publicity to the most crucial aspect of an election - ticket distribution.

Clearly, Modi intends to leave no stone unturned to win Delhi. With Arvind Kejriwal's Aam Aadmi Party posing an unexpected challenge to both the Congress and the BJP, the Delhi election is turning into a cliffhanger. Modi has decided to make a go of it but many in the party feel that it's too late. The dithering on the leadership issue may have cost the BJP the election.

link

M Joshi · Post by **M Joshi** » 01 Nov 2013 10:11

I too concur with the point that media has changed its tone wrt Modi in the last few days. Even NDTV will have 2-3 front page articles on Modi these days without once mentioning 2002, but I remember there was an article on NDTV few days back which had a mention of how in 1984 Congress leaders were responsible for 1984.

That in itself is a TsuNamoical change.

disha · Post by **disha** » 01 Nov 2013 10:33

Firstpost article on CongIs getting seizures on behalf of Sardar patel. Reproducing in full for not the original content, but the highlighted tidbit at the end.

By seizing Patel’s legacy, Modi diminishes Nehru-Gandhi dynasty by Sanjay Singh 29 mins ago #Congress #Indira Gandhi #Modi #NDA #Rahul Gandhi #RSS #Sardar Patel #UPA 1101 30 CommentsEmailPrint It has been a usual practice for the last three decades that on 31 October, the morning papers will be flooded with official advertisements on Indira Gandhi’s martyrdom. Even the NDA or NF or UF would extend that courtesy for the eight years that they were in power, albeit restricting it to the bare minimum. A state function at her cremation ground Shakti Sthal in the presence of Gandhi-Nehru family members has been equally important. Seen as the greatest of Congress leaders with her family controlling the party and the government, it is thus only natural that she should be duly remembered on her death anniversary, particularly when the Iron Lady died a most unfortunate death. Modi and L K Advani at the ceremony on Thursday. PTI The Iron Man of the country, first home minister and unifier of India, Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel’s birthday on the same day has been consigned to the mere footnotes. Not many outside of Gujarat knew of his birthday and only a few in Delhi cared about him. Senior BJP leader LK Advani who was earlier touted as Loh Purush (Iron Man) by his own party enthusiasts would fly to Karamsad in Gujarat to pay homage to Sardar Patel. During six years of NDA rule, flying there also meant that he could conveniently escape attending the official function to mark the death anniversary of Indira Gandhi. But 31 October of 2013 was billed to be different. Not because the standard protocol by the government or the Congress was to be changed by any bit. The official union government advertisements were in place. But then there were two other factors, Congress vice president and Indira grandson Rahul Gandhi had been talking about her assassination emotionally. He has told the untold story of how it happened and how it impacted him and his family. He was supposed to have touched upon a raw nerve of Congressmen and women as also a whole lot of party sympathisers. It was thus expected that this year, on this date, the Congress would do something that would connect with them at an emotional level. After all, this is election time and 2014 wills see the mother of all electoral battles. Narendra Modi, however, had other plans, he knew how to hijack the show and have a debate centred around him. The day belonged to him and Sardar Patel. The references to Indira Gandhi’s death anniversary were, for once, relegated to the background and to official releases. No matter what the Congress says on Patel vis-à-vis the RSS, the fact remains that Modi successfully appropriated Sardar Patel’s legacy. The problem for the Congress is not that Modi is or has appropriated Sardar’s legacy but by doing so and presenting an alternative view that “had Sardar Saheb been the country’s first Prime Minister the nation’s destiny would have been different today”, he is questioning Nehru’s credentials and diminishing Nehru’s legacy. Had Nehru not been there as the first PM, there would not have been a Nehru-Gandhi dynasty today. Modi is thus trying to hit at what is the spinal cord of the modern day Congress Party. He has been doing both, idolising Patel and criticising the Nehru-Gandhi family. By laying a foundation stone for the 182-meter tall Statue of Unity, the world’s tallest statue on the banks of the Narmada , twice as tall as the Statue of Liberty, Modi has delivered a masterstroke. How justified is protest of a section of local tribal people, inspired by Medha Patkar is not an issue here. They may have legitimate grievances and need to be redressed. He has grabbed nation’s attention by a grand foundation stone laying event in Kevadia. And if the message had still not reached home to the Congress leadership, he went ahead with television commercials highlighting self and the event. Prime Minister Manmohan Singh who had joined issue with him on this a few days ago, saying, “I am proud and happy that I belong to a political party to which Sardar Patel was attached… Sardar Patel was totally secular, and believed in the unity of India.” That comment got some rebuttals from Modi as well. “By aligning Sardar Patel with one party you are demeaning him….We need Sardar Sahab’s secularism, not vote-bank secularism,” Modi said. He added that “Patel who united India…had no hesitation rebuilding the Somnath Temple”. It’s a known historical fact that though Nehru and Patel both were committed to secularism, their ideas on this and several other key issues including Kashmir was at variance. Modi is without doubt the tallest Gujarat leader after Patel. While Patel served Gujarat Congress and his landmark work, rebuilding the Somnath temple and unifying Junagarh principality with India, benefitted Gujarat, his main work had been outside of the state. Modi as chief minister of the state for the last 12 years has been focussed in the state and has now got into the national political arena. By creating the world’s tallest statue, he will ensure that the Sardar’s legacy as also his own lives beyond his life time. He thus ensured that his one time mentor and in house “Iron Man” LK Advani was also present to bless him. The Congress is finding it difficult to challenge him, either in rhetoric or in perception. Its only counter argument is Sardar’s banning of the RSS. Incidentally soon after Modi finished his speech, the AICC communication department chief and general secretary Ajay Maken came out and tried to play the same trick that the Congress has played only unsuccessfully — painting Modi as a failed administrator and confining him as a regional upstart. Maken first read out a list on how Gujarat Information Commission and state human rights commission had not been fully functional, CAG report was not discussed in state assembly and the media was influenced. While Maken chose not to respond on Modi’s charge that the Prime Minister was playing petty politics in not allowing gates to be built on raised height of Sardar Sarovar Dam, which could benefit Gujarat, Rajasthan, Madhya Pradesh and Maharastra, he sought to fight out Modi through a different handle. The Congress general secretary alleged that the RSS had threatened a senior lady journalist (Vidya Subrahmaniam of The Hindu) for writing an article where she placed the RSS in the dock for breach of an agreement that the organisation had entered into with Sardar Patel. The article was published on the opinion page of The Hindu early in October. A report on alleged threat was published a fortnight back in another national newspaper, not in the paper she works. Maken chose to petition home minister today. Vidya is based in Delhi where police is under direct command and control of the UPA government. Maken succeeded in making the headline for his party, `RSS threatens lady journalist’. Home Minister Sushil Kumar Shinde forwarded Maken’s petition to the home secretary for necessary action. Reacting to the development Vidya Subrahmaniam told Firstpost that “my article appeared on 8 October. Threat calls started a week later after it was translated and used by our Tamil paper (The Hindu). I received around 250 calls and filed a police complaint but did not take the complaint to the Congress. I am surprised that it has surfaced now. I didn’t even know that a Press conference (by Congress) was being held.”

Read more at: http://www.firstpost.com/politics/by-se ... ef_article

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 01 Nov 2013 10:56

From the Statesman press report Hari quoted above - mulayam thinks he will not get above 15 in UP.
mafia and Mayavathi need to come together to stop BJP.
Nikamma telephoned and said sorry to many bjp leaders other than NM of course.

The bsp and mafia ganging up if it happens is a threat. But Maya so for has not gone for a pre poll alliance as it does not benefit her. Useless pappu might have done serious damage to this possibility by attacking her earlier.

alexis · Post by **alexis** » 01 Nov 2013 11:01

RoyG wrote:Patna blast witness "escapes" from custody. What a f*cking joke NIA is. They let this jihadi go.

How can one say "escaped" if he was not arrested? NIA could not even identify him as an accused!

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 01 Nov 2013 11:40

^^^

Let out to finish the unfinished work, of the 27th of October.

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 01 Nov 2013 12:18

Rahul Mehta wrote:So very soon, cirulation of Gujarati ToI will exceed that of pro-BJP Dainik Bhasker. So too keep a good image on middle class Gujarati voters too , NaMo and his men will have to follow "ToI standard". So you can guess what is coming.

If Bhaskar is pro-BJP then Chindu is a nationalist paper. Have you followed their line of reporting during 2012 election? Even today their editorial will give S Varadrajan a run for his money. I regularly respond to their editorial via SMS (

) and email. So far haven't got a response. During the V K Sing saga, I kept challenging their "facts" by emails in which so many worthies were CCd including the rival news papers. Finally I got myself banned from their site and I have yet to receive a reply to my personal emails from anyone in that regard. TOI can do no more damage than the local papers have tried to do and failed. In fact, I find TOI more balanced than the local papers.

BTW Rahulbhai, are you associated with Gujarat Samachar in any way? Just asking out of curiosity as some of their "new items" had surprising level of similarity with your line of posting. No disrespected intended by asking this, but the it striked me the moment I saw the reports and pictures about cow slaughter.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 01 Nov 2013 12:31

disha wrote:Firstpost article on CongIs getting seizures on behalf of Sardar patel. Reproducing in full for not the original content, but the highlighted tidbit at the end.

By seizing Patel’s legacy, Modi diminishes Nehru-Gandhi dynasty by Sanjay Singh 29 mins ago #Congress #Indira Gandhi #Modi #NDA #Rahul Gandhi #RSS #Sardar Patel #UPA 1101 30 CommentsEmailPrint It has been a usual practice for the last three decades that on 31 October, the morning papers will be flooded with official advertisements on Indira Gandhi’s martyrdom. Even the NDA or NF or UF would extend that courtesy for the eight years that they were in power, albeit restricting it to the bare minimum. A state function at her cremation ground Shakti Sthal in the presence of Gandhi-Nehru family members has been equally important. Seen as the greatest of Congress leaders with her family controlling the party and the government, it is thus only natural that she should be duly remembered on her death anniversary, particularly when the Iron Lady died a most unfortunate death. Modi and L K Advani at the ceremony on Thursday. PTI The Iron Man of the country, first home minister and unifier of India, Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel’s birthday on the same day has been consigned to the mere footnotes. Not many outside of Gujarat knew of his birthday and only a few in Delhi cared about him.

Read more at: http://www.firstpost.com/politics/by-se ... ef_article

Exactly what I thought was happening.

By bringing in Patel, Modi is placing an "opponent" to the "Gandhi" name. And look what everyone doing now - all of them are talking about Patel. A huge statue, repeated references in speeches.

This is a carefully planned coup of sorts that must have been in the making at least for a few years.
By marketing Patel, Modi is hacking the very roots of the Nehru-Gandhi lineage that millions of INdian have been enamored with.
And this is working according to plan. Patel is in the front pages and IG relegated. Just hope that middle-aged and senior citizens ( at whom this has been targeted ) bite this.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 01 Nov 2013 13:32

Next i hope it will be pvnr. Mafia don't like him at all. Credit for reforms was not given to him. NM should promise to name few things like Hyderabad airport etc on his name and a memorial to him in Delhi. Mafia will be serious problem to explain why they have not done. Further in Telangana bjp should promise naming and things on pvnr and go to town how mafia insulted him.

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 01 Nov 2013 13:33

^^^ As Atri ji says Modi is wielding the Savarkarite stream of Indian nationalist thought. Savarkar will eventually make an appearance in his speeches. He knows however the time for doing so is not now.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 01 Nov 2013 13:53

panduranghari wrote:^^^ As Atri ji says Modi is wielding the Savarkarite stream of Indian nationalist thought. Savarkar will eventually make an appearance in his speeches. He knows however the time for doing so is not now.

Even Mohan Bhagwat displays Savarkaraite Vector to high degree. The actual implementation of this on ground is dicey, though. Society appears to be ready for this type of Hindutva. But the fact is hindus are playing hindutva-chicken, especially the urban middle-class supporters of NM. They say that governance is main issue and they do not care for religious issues at all, but come tuesdays and fridays and exam-result days - these same people are seen lining up outside Siddhivinayaka temple with a prasaad of savva-rupaya.

The reformist streak of Savarkar is far from being implemented. However the offensive streak of Savarkar's vector is gathering strength. It is derived straight from Shivaji himself - that is never feel ashamed of attacking the least powerful points of enemy at his most inconvenient times. Survive at all costs and win the war by means of attrition of enemy. The Jats are doing same thing now in UP.

The offensive streak is still retaliatory in nature and not genuinely de-novo offensive. If things comtinue as they are, that day is not far away.

It will be a great challenge in front of a hindu leaders of next 3-4 decades to find a point of covergence between the offensive and reformist hindutva.

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 01 Nov 2013 14:14

Atri wrote:It will be a great challenge in front of a hindu leaders of next 3-4 decades to find a point of covergence between the offensive and reformist hindutva.

Does it really need convergence? Sanatana Dharma automatically makes that happen, provided everyone is following the 'Dharma'? I dunno but I am certain the reform happens/is happening without the explicit demand placed by a certain section of the society. If twitter is any indicator, the Hindu middle classes are clearly awakening to the need of 'dharma yuddha'. This however is just my humble opinion. Savarkar ideology will come to fore once 'Indra-Shakti' strikes. Until then the neo-colonialists have a hammer to beat down the Savarakarite ideology.

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 01 Nov 2013 14:21

Atri wrote:
panduranghari wrote:^^^ As Atri ji says Modi is wielding the Savarkarite stream of Indian nationalist thought. Savarkar will eventually make an appearance in his speeches. He knows however the time for doing so is not now.
Even Mohan Bhagwat displays Savarkaraite Vector to high degree. The actual implementation of this on ground is dicey, though. Society appears to be ready for this type of Hindutva. But the fact is hindus are playing hindutva-chicken, especially the urban middle-class supporters of NM. They say that governance is main issue and they do not care for religious issues at all, but come tuesdays and fridays and exam-result days - these same people are seen lining up outside Siddhivinayaka temple with a prasaad of savva-rupaya.

The reformist streak of Savarkar is far from being implemented. However the offensive streak of Savarkar's vector is gathering strength. It is derived straight from Shivaji himself - that is never feel ashamed of attacking the least powerful points of enemy at his most inconvenient times. Survive at all costs and win the war by means of attrition of enemy. The Jats are doing same thing now in UP.

The offensive streak is still retaliatory in nature and not genuinely de-novo offensive. If things comtinue as they are, that day is not far away.

It will be a great challenge in front of a hindu leaders of next 3-4 decades to find a point of covergence between the offensive and reformist hindutva.

There was a interview of Kanchang Gupta by Madhu Trehan, where she was asking him a general question: How to encourage Indian Muslims to realize that India that is Bharat" is their Madar-E-watan and not some distant lands. She mentioned how encouraging Pak during Indo-Pak matches stopped after 1992, she compared this with the way Parsis integrated in India after landing in Gujarat.

http://www.newslaundry.com/2012/05/can- ... han-gupta/

The specific part of the conversation is here http://youtu.be/8GVs0SBv44o?t=31m48s

I have seen the exact speech from HT summit and I do not agree with her interpretation of NM's response (but that is not pertinent), but her question is pertinent about what strategy NM is likely to employ to enhance Indian Muslims' integration with mainstream by acceding to concepts like UCC, or does he even have any answer. Sabka Saath Sabka Vikas has an undertone of not having a differentiated approach for different religions and communities.

Any thoughts ideas about a very essential question about gaining Sabka Saath?

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 01 Nov 2013 14:32

Modi is not appropriating Patels legacy. He is setting the goal posts straight. Modi himself is the giant legacy that wipes Nehruvianism. He is not out to undermine Nehru's legacy. He is out to wipe it out. That is what i told Sanjay Jha..

Rahul Mehta · Post by **Rahul Mehta** » 01 Nov 2013 14:52

kapilrdave wrote:BTW Rahulbhai, are you associated with Gujarat Samachar in any way? Just asking out of curiosity as some of their "new items" had surprising level of similarity with your line of posting. No disrespected intended by asking this, but the it striked me the moment I saw the reports and pictures about cow slaughter.

They are NOT news item. They are OFFICIALLY paid advt and the text in the box also clearly says that they are advt, and has my name as publisher. The paid-news people are NOT interesting in Right to Recall , order MP via SMS etc and so I give officially paid advt to publicize RTR etc. I give advt in Gujarat Samachar, Indian Express and sometimes Ahmd Mirror.

I gave the ad on how citizens can force MPs to print laws to reduce 10s of problems including cow-slaughter and which laws can reduce 10s of problems including cow slaughter. And three 8-10 days later, on id , some kasai slaughtered cows in open field in broad day light. But it was co-incidence only. No connection.

Kanson · Post by **Kanson** » 01 Nov 2013 14:53

harbans wrote:Modi is not appropriating Patels legacy. He is setting the goal posts straight. Modi himself is the giant legacy that wipes Nehruvianism. He is not out to undermine Nehru's legacy. He is out to wipe it out. That is what i told Sanjay Jha..

That's correct. Infact he is scripting his own legacy without consciously making it.

From what I see & hear( btw I'm only doing this from Rewari rally onwards) he has the potential to completely redo or completely update(depending on whose views) the works of another man from the same land known as Gandhi. In a sense he has the potent power to become another Gandhi in terms of mass appeal towards unifying this nation that probably also includes our western India known as Pak.

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 01 Nov 2013 15:04

Folks, it is not like NM got this brilliant idea of building statue of unity to dwarf the dynasty just today. Because SP was gujju he always wished to build such a statue from day one, but not before some important tasks were accomplished.

Since godhra riots not only modi but also gujjus were under constant fire of MSM. Gujjus had become almost a punching bag of media. They thought the entire country is against them for no fault of them. I remember my friends working in different states used to hate modi because they were looked upon like mass murderers, especially in south Indian cities like hyd, chennai, bangluru etc. The moment you say "I'm a gujju" they would start asking questions about godhra. It was sickening.

Then after, modi started good work quietly without responding to media venoms. Slowly slowly he projected GJ as one of the most progressive state. Since GJ was always wealthier than most states his efforts started showing results very quickly. He not only put the state on fast track, he made sure his achievements are recognized in other states as well. In just about 5-6 years people across the country started realizing that GJ is not only about godhra but also about development. Then onwards, no matter which part of country gujjus go, they see the respect for themselves in others eyes. After 1-2 years more, gujjus would hear only praise about modi wherever they go. And nowadays wherever they go, people treat them as if they come from 'vilayat'

. This all is because of modi's chest thumping about GJ in all his speeches outside. For example, when he talks about Rana Pratap in Rajasthan, he would not miss to point out that his horse Chetak's mother was Gujju

. Gujjus feel proud about being a gujju now. Interestingly, one of my friends who worked in hyd and hated modi because he was asked ridiculous questions in past, is a die hard fan of him today. Reason? Quite a few people in hyd asked him whether NM is a better administrator than CBN

. He replies, FAR BETTER. I dare say even (certain section of) gujju muslims feel proud being gujju because in his speeches NM talks about muslim growth in the state even though they are not his traditional vote bank. The pride of being what they are is a very important aspect of any society. This was the greatest service NM has done for GJ IMO. Compare that with UPians and Biharis. They are treated like trash for no fault of theirs. Bangalis are generalized as communists and hypocrites. All because of their short sighted leaders.

NM has done a marvelous job as a GJ CM. Now it's time for him to rise to the national level and tell the story of Bharat to the world to make every Indian proud of being one. As I said, NM always wanted to build the statue of unity but he chose to do it after restoring the gujju pride. GJ will accept this last gift of him as a CM with blessings for him at national level.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 01 Nov 2013 15:08

prahaar wrote:Any thoughts ideas about a very essential question about gaining Sabka Saath?

क्षमा-दया-ताप त्याग मनोबल सबका लिया सहारा,
पर नरव्याध सुयोधन तुमसे कहो कहाँ कब हारा?

क्षमाशील हो रिपुसमक्ष तुम विनीत हुए जितना ही,
दुष्ट कौरवों ने तुमको कायर समझा उतना ही,

अत्याचार सहन करने का कुफल यही होता हैं
पौरुष का आतंक मनुज कोमल होकर खोता हैं

क्षमा शोभती उस भुजंग को जिसके पास गरल हैं
उसका क्या जो दंतहीन विषरहित विनीत सरल हैं?

तीन दिवस तक पंथ मांगते रघुपति सिन्धु किनारे,
बैठे पढ़ते रहे छंद अनुनय के प्यारे प्यारे.

उत्तर में जब एक नाद भी नहीं उठा सागर से,
उठी अधीर धधक पौरुष की आग राम के शर से,

सिन्धु देह धर त्राहि-त्राहि कर आ गिरा शरण में,
चरण पुजे दासता ग्रहण की बंधा मूढ़ बंधन में,

सच पूछो तो शर में ही बसती हैं दीप्ति विनय की,
संधिवचन संपूज्य उसीका, जिसमे शक्ति विजय की

सहनशीलता क्षमा दया को तभी पूजता जग हैं
बल का दर्प चमकता उसके पीछे जब जगमग हैं...

OR in words of Goswami Tulsidas - Bhay bin hoy na preeti..

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 01 Nov 2013 15:16

Narayana Rao wrote:Next i hope it will be pvnr. Mafia don't like him at all. Credit for reforms was not given to him. NM should promise to name few things like Hyderabad airport etc on his name and a memorial to him in Delhi. Mafia will be serious problem to explain why they have not done. Further in Telangana bjp should promise naming and things on pvnr and go to town how mafia insulted him.

Absolutely. Secularism and the Gandhi name are the only things COngress has now as talking points in the election.
The Nehru and pseudoGandhi name must be drowned by bringing in several other names.
Rahul Gandhi should find it harder to invoke Nehru,Indira and Rajiv n his speeches. He should be forced to speak about Patel and PVNR.
And memorial to PVNR in Delhi - that I am sure will hurt Sonia very very bad. But MOdi's approach should be straight-forward and not be apologetic about this - how does Sanjay Gandhi deserve a place in Raj Ghat? Let us see if he brings this in his speeches.

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 01 Nov 2013 15:20

Rahul Mehta wrote:
kapilrdave wrote:BTW Rahulbhai, are you associated with Gujarat Samachar in any way? Just asking out of curiosity as some of their "new items" had surprising level of similarity with your line of posting. No disrespected intended by asking this, but the it striked me the moment I saw the reports and pictures about cow slaughter.
They are NOT news item. They are OFFICIALLY paid advt and the text in the box also clearly says that they are advt, and has my name as publisher. The paid-news people are NOT interesting in Right to Recall , order MP via SMS etc and so I give officially paid advt to publicize RTR etc. I give advt in Gujarat Samachar, Indian Express and sometimes Ahmd Mirror.

I gave the ad on how citizens can force MPs to print laws to reduce 10s of problems including cow-slaughter and which laws can reduce 10s of problems including cow slaughter. And three 8-10 days later, on id , some kasai slaughtered cows in open field in broad day light. But it was co-incidence only. No connection.

No Rahulbhai. I'm not talking about your advertises. I know they are advertises and they are from you. I was talking about their pattern of reporting regarding cow slaughtering and S vs D etc. The content was strikingly similar to your posts. Again, was just asking out of curiosity. No disrespect intended by associating you with paid media.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 01 Nov 2013 15:31

PVNR needs to be given his due. For starters at least a virtual museum should be dedicated to him. Some achievments of PVNR are given below.

1. Pulled India out of economic crisis.
2. Kickstarted the economic liberalisation process (Most of us are direct beneficiaries of this)
3. Renewed focus on Nuclear program
4. Announced publicly that Reintegration of POK with India was an outstanding issue between India and Pakistan (Does any Congressi
leader worth his/her salt has the balls to say this anymore)
5. Khalistani terrorism in Punjab was brought to an end during his tenure.
6. Counter Terrorism and Counter Insurgency operations were bolstered during his tenure.

jagga · Post by **jagga** » 01 Nov 2013 15:48

2 officers of Modi's bomb squad killed in road mishap

The deceased personnel, Bhailal (30) and Jairam (30), were in the bomb disposal squad vehicle of the Gujarat Police had taken a halt near Nathgram Ashram on Malkhanpur road under Sirsaganj area, when a speeding truck rammed into their vehicle, Superintendent of Police Rakesh Singh said.

I hope I am wrong, but seems like they have been accidented.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 01 Nov 2013 15:56

they are going lower and lower , dunno where this is all going to end up with

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 01 Nov 2013 16:00

kapilrdave wrote:Folks, it is not like NM got this brilliant idea of building statue of unity to dwarf the dynasty just today. Because SP was gujju he always wished to build such a statue from day one, but not before some important tasks were accomplished.

Since godhra riots not only modi but also gujjus were under constant fire of MSM. Gujjus had become almost a punching bag of media. They thought the entire country is against them for no fault of them. I remember my friends working in different states used to hate modi because they were looked upon like mass murderers, especially in south Indian cities like hyd, chennai, bangluru etc. The moment you say "I'm a gujju" they would start asking questions about godhra. It was sickening.

Then after, modi started good work quietly without responding to media venoms. Slowly slowly he projected GJ as one of the most progressive state. Since GJ was always wealthier than most states his efforts started showing results very quickly. He not only put the state on fast track, he made sure his achievements are recognized in other states as well. In just about 5-6 years people across the country started realizing that GJ is not only about godhra but also about development. Then onwards, no matter which part of country gujjus go, they see the respect for themselves in others eyes. After 1-2 years more, gujjus would hear only praise about modi wherever they go. And nowadays wherever they go, people treat them as if they come from 'vilayat' . This all is because of modi's chest thumping about GJ in all his speeches outside. For example, when he talks about Rana Pratap in Rajasthan, he would not miss to point out that his horse Chetak's mother was Gujju . Gujjus feel proud about being a gujju now. Interestingly, one of my friends who worked in hyd and hated modi because he was asked ridiculous questions in past, is a die hard fan of him today. Reason? Quite a few people in hyd asked him whether NM is a better administrator than CBN . He replies, FAR BETTER. I dare say even (certain section of) gujju muslims feel proud being gujju because in his speeches NM talks about muslim growth in the state even though they are not his traditional vote bank. The pride of being what they are is a very important aspect of any society. This was the greatest service NM has done for GJ IMO. Compare that with UPians and Biharis. They are treated like trash for no fault of theirs. Bangalis are generalized as communists and hypocrites. All because of their short sighted leaders.

NM has done a marvelous job as a GJ CM. Now it's time for him to rise to the national level and tell the story of Bharat to the world to make every Indian proud of being one. As I said, NM always wanted to build the statue of unity but he chose to do it after restoring the gujju pride. GJ will accept this last gift of him as a CM with blessings for him at national level.

I have seen people asking Gujjus questions like 'How are the streets in Gujarat?/How is the electricity in Gujarat?/ Is it true that ladies can walk around at midnight safely?" with starry eyes. The pride the Gujjus feel has to be seen to be believed. It is almost like they come from a developed country.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 01 Nov 2013 16:03

kapilrdave wrote: The pride of being what they are is a very important aspect of any society. This was the greatest service NM has done for GJ IMO. Compare that with UPians and Biharis. They are treated like trash for no fault of theirs. Bangalis are generalized as communists and hypocrites. All because of their short sighted leaders.

NM has done a marvelous job as a GJ CM. Now it's time for him to rise to the national level and tell the story of Bharat to the world to make every Indian proud of being one.

Excellent point, Kapil.

This correlation between the respect accorded to the community, and the quality of leadership needs to be made to sink in. Hopefuly some of the tweet-experts can weave this theme in.

niran · Post by **niran** » 01 Nov 2013 16:08

in a scathing reply to kapil sibal's challenge to NaMo for a debate Arun jaitley replied

Kapil Sibal is a second class congresi it is between NaMo and Rahul Ghandhi so please.....

this man sibal is the most egoistic person moi have the missfortune to have met, his ego is a million
times larger than his pendulous belly, i tell you the stink of burning flesh moi can smell from here.

meanwhile NaMo is scheduled to travel to six places in Bihar tonite, blessedly he will be coptering to these places
and for a tight slap to sikulars he was supposed to visit the wounded terrorist too, but by a huge coincidence that chappy
died, no,no no insinuation whatsoever, it was a coincidence.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 01 Nov 2013 16:14

kapilrdave wrote: The pride of being what they are is a very important aspect of any society. This was the greatest service NM has done for GJ IMO. Compare that with UPians and Biharis. They are treated like trash for no fault of theirs. Bangalis are generalized as communists and hypocrites. All because of their short sighted leaders.

NM has done a marvelous job as a GJ CM. Now it's time for him to rise to the national level and tell the story of Bharat to the world to make every Indian proud of being one.

To the point in bold I would say that, people get the governments they deserve. No one forced voters to vote for such leaders. Yet, they were voted in by the population. Gujarati's voted for a lion, and in turn were treated like lions.

By that logic, one can say Modi won and did all the things he did, because Gujarati's wanted it to happen. It is they who made Modi what he is today.

Today, if the nation wishes for Modi to lead. It is because it has seen the experiences of the 6 crore Gujarati's have had of Modi rule.

So ultimately, the Gujarati's deserved a Modi and he did not let them down.