Sri Lanka - News and Discussion

[Philip]

Whose justifying it? His fascist pig of a father should've kept him out of the conflict zone altogether.Abroad.To carry on the struggle another day another time.His bloated ego did not envisage losing or being killed in combat.Had he done so,Tiger Jr. would've been a magniificent symbol to rally the diaspora in times of defeat to survive and fight another day.A stone in the shoe of any fascist Sinhala-Buddhist govt.

With the LTTE using thousands of child soldiers,who is to identify a non-combatant child from a combatant child? The IPKF in the north allegedly suffered many casualties thanks to LTTE child soldiers ,masquerading as innocents in civilian clothing.Who will weep tears for the Indian soldiers killed by the LTTE?

The tears being wept for Pol Pot Prabhakaran's son are of the crocodile nature by disgraced,defeated,venal,corrupt Tamil politicos each trying to score brownie points off each other .Where was the great Kalaignar when Prabhakaran was in his last days,desperately seeking to be saved? At least the firang western foreign ministers of Britain and France flew to Colombo to try and save the top LTTE leadership.Why didn't he then pull out of the UPA coalition,bring down the unsympathetic GOI and make an historic stand for the Tamil race? He didn't because he knew as Holmes famously said, that "...the game is afoot" ,and as Lankans say,"machaan-match over! " Prabhakaran was on the verge of being exterminated with the most extreme prejudice and what point was there in supporting a losing cause? In actual fact,his dithering allowed India to tell the GOSL to" get on with the job asap".As his critics have said,it was a great act of sham.

Now that national elections are around the corner and his party has no electoral campaign whatsoever,with madam Jayalalitha ruling the roost in her inimitable style,and his two sons at each other's throats,the great self-styled saviour of the Tamil race weeps copious tears for the son of the man whom he betrayed!

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?N ... SUTH2uvOZU

Some UN facts on LTTE recruiting children.

UNICEF urges Tamil Tigers to stop recruiting child soldiers in Sri Lanka

22 January 2004 – The United Nations Children's Fund (UNICEF) today called on the rebel Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) in Sri Lanka to stop recruiting children as soldiers and to release those it already has back to civilian life.

In a report on children affected in 2003 by Sri Lanka's civil war, UNICEF noted that the LTTE recruited 709 children during the year - nearly half between August and October.

The report stated that over the same period the LTTE released 202 children either directly to their families, or to the transit centre that was opened by UNICEF in Kilinochchi in Sri Lanka's northeast in October.

But UNICEF added it was aware, from reports submitted by families, that the LTTE still had

LTTE recruitment

Before 2007 the LTTE was accused of recruiting thousands of children into their ranks. The LTTE has been accused of knowingly recruiting and using child soldiers as front-line troops. Amid international pressure, LTTE announced in July 2003 that it would stop conscripting child soldiers, but both UNICEF and HRW have accused it of reneging on its promises, and of conscripting Tamil children orphaned by the tsunami.

How the UN failed in Sri Lanka-Amnesty International.
(They were the prime culprits who preached peace but practised war to endure)

" As its forces were depleted, it intensified conscription of child soldiers."

The UN failed to protect civilians during Sri Lanka’s armed conflict, according its own report, prompting Amnesty International to renew calls for an independent investigation into alleged war crimes by the Sri Lankan army and the Tamil Tigers (LTTE).

The Report of the UN Secretary-General’s Internal Review Panel on United Nations Action in Sri Lanka, submitted to Ban Ki-moon, offers a strong indictment of the UN’s response to Sri Lanka’s armed conflict.

It deals with a period of conflict in Sri Lanka when very grave violations of international law are alleged and where effective UN action might have averted some of the worst of the violations.

Instead the text describes a scenario where UN officials repeatedly failed civilians they were entrusted to protect, while ignoring or downplaying mounting evidence of war crimes compiled by their own staff, as they struggled to appease Sri Lankan authorities intent on restricting humanitarian space.

“Unfortunately this report confirms the many troubling allegations of UN failings we have heard since the May 2009 end of the conflict,” said José Luis Díaz, Head of Amnesty International's UN New York office.

“We hope that the report’s strong findings will help improve the way the UN and the international community protect civilians in times of conflict and reform errant relief systems.”

The report should also help to refocus international attention on the very grave problem of impunity in Sri Lanka.

Tens of thousands of Sri Lankan civilians may have been killed through the indiscriminate actions of combatants.

Allegations that war crimes were committed, by both the Sri Lankan armed forces and by the LTTE, were deemed credible in an earlier report produced by Ban Ki-moon's Panel of Experts on Accountability in Sri Lanka. It recommended an independent international investigation.

This recent Internal Review describes vividly the conditions faced by civilians and UN workers.

It details how they were trapped in the conflict region where both sides attacked civilians, but the UN suppressed information about humanitarian law violations, particularly those committed by the Sri Lankan forces.

“This report is also a wake-up call for UN member states that have not pushed hard enough for an independent international investigation into alleged war crimes committed by both Sri Lankan forces and the LTTE in the last phase of the war. The report clearly illustrates the Sri Lankan government’s lack of will to protect civilians or account for very serious violations. There is no evidence that has changed,” said Jose Luis Díaz.

Testimony of survivors collected by Amnesty International alleges that both sides knowingly killed and endangered civilians, and contains details about enforced disappearances of surrendered combatants by the Sri Lankan army.

Eyewitnesses say the LTTE used civilians as human shields against the approaching army, and shot civilians who tried to escape. As its forces were depleted, it intensified conscription of child soldiers.

The Sri Lankan government declared a “No Fire Zone” and directed civilians caught in the conflict to relocate there.

Witnesses say the army shelled the “No Fire Zone”, which both the Sri Lankan army and political leadership knew was densely populated by civilians.

They hit hospitals, killing and injuring patients and staff.

More than three years later, there has been no impartial investigation into these alleged crimes under international law and no one has been brought to justice.

This failure sets a dangerous precedent sending the message that states which, like Sri Lanka have not ratified the Rome Statute, are beyond the reach of international justice and that crimes committed in the name of “combating terrorism” can simply be ignored.

[Baikul]

ow about you, Suryaji, were you there when Stalin was murdering his people in the 1930s?
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and on that note we bid good bye

You are bidding me good bye but quoting me selectively, Suryaji. Let me provide perspective below:

A boy seems to have been murdered, and people are justifying it.

you should have come in when lots of boys were being murdered in the last 2 decades by the clan

Yeah that old debating line: where were you when....

How about you, Suryaji, were you there when Stalin was murdering his people in the 1930s?

Where I was, where you were is irrelevant to what seems to be the slaughter of a boy.

Good bye, Suryaji.

[Baikul]

^^ Here's an equivalent economy of words: A boy seems to have been murdered, and people are justifying it.

The GOI had actively blocked all the sea escape routes of the rats and GOI +GOSL did not relent inspite of the very great pressure from all the western governments like US,UK France, Germany and all the other crooks who now portray themselves as angels and are currently raking the muck for the GOSL, to let VP escape.

There were impassioned pleas for VP's life starting with the vatican and covering all governments in europe that was inexplicable and was very rightly was ignored by both the governments.

na rahegi bas na bhajegi bansuri, no?

Get real mate, countries don't worry too much about the odd life here and there. The supreme national interest is always the primary driver. Unfortunate for dead of course. Tough shit. Why don't the amrekis or the brits and lately the french get asked questions about the lives that they have wantonly taken??

Or will you bully only tiny Srilanka?? Budhist Srilanka?? asian Srilanka?? brown skinned Srilanka?? All others are exempt??

I'm not sure any of what you've said above - most of which I agree with, by the way, except for the bullying tiny Sri Lanka bit- can be used as a logical argument for defending killing of a boy. I fail to see any ground for it.

Just because realpolitik exists, drives the affairs of nations does not mean that one can be blasé about incidents like these.

[Philip]

I've once before used Donne's famous words to illustrate the humanitarian viewpoint of wars like the Lankan war,Iraq,Afghanistan, et al.When the bell tolls,it does for all humanity.

"No man is an Island, intire of it selfe; every man is a peece of the Continent, a part of the maine; if a Clod bee washed away by the Sea, Europe is the lesse, as well as if a Promontorie were, as well as if a Mannor of thy friends or of thine owne were; any mans death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankinde; And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee."

[Baikul]

In my opinion Phillipji, Donne's words also apply exactly to that boy.

[chetak]

{quote="Baikul"}^^ Here's an equivalent economy of words: A boy seems to have been murdered, and people are justifying it.

The GOI had actively blocked all the sea escape routes of the rats and GOI +GOSL did not relent inspite of the very great pressure from all the western governments like US,UK France, Germany and all the other crooks who now portray themselves as angels and are currently raking the muck for the GOSL, to let VP escape.

There were impassioned pleas for VP's life starting with the vatican and covering all governments in europe that was inexplicable and was very rightly was ignored by both the governments.

na rahegi bas na bhajegi bansuri, no?

Get real mate, countries don't worry too much about the odd life here and there. The supreme national interest is always the primary driver. Unfortunate for dead of course. Tough shit. Why don't the amrekis or the brits and lately the french get asked questions about the lives that they have wantonly taken??

Or will you bully only tiny Srilanka?? Budhist Srilanka?? asian Srilanka?? brown skinned Srilanka?? All others are exempt?? {/quote}

I'm not sure any of what you've said above - most of which I agree with, by the way, except for the bullying tiny Sri Lanka bit- can be used as a logical argument for defending killing of a boy. I fail to see any ground for it.

Just because realpolitik exists, drives the affairs of nations does not mean that one can be blasé about incidents like these.

Sorry, no one is being blase about the unfortunate death of the boy. Don't forget that his mother and sister were also taken out equally efficiently. No one seems to be talking about them.

In the affairs of nations this was just a simple pest control excercise and should be seen as such. In fact the rest of the pests infesting south India should also be eradicated equally efficiently. Some tamilians are not only bullying SL but also India. A swift kick in the family jewels and some random sedition charges should put paid to them, Just as we don't like the pappi jhappi of some misguided & evil panjabis and the pakis we also object to the pappi jhappi of some evil foreign sponsored Indian tamillians. Both sets of useful idiots are being manipulated from beyond our borders and are benefitting financially from the muckraking that they do in India.

vaiko has an orgasm every time he appears on TV. This muckracking is his ONLY CHANCE of remaining relevant and his only chance of not losing his deposit in the coming elections. Every other crook has made his or her pile and salted it away.

When father VP did take out many hundreds of even younger boys using them as child soldiers, no one from anywhere objected wtih the same vehemence that we are seeing now. Were those kids not dear to some mother, father, sister, brother or other family members??

look at the larger picture. VP and family reaped exactly what they had sowed. How come no one ever mentions that the ltte was a christian terrorist organisation?? or is only saffron to be singled out by our home minister??

[rohitvats]

This fact hit me quite late.

This fervent appeal for saving VP and LTTE in the end and duplicitous role played by those paragon of neutrality, the Norwegians, was because of christian dispensation of VP. They were rooting for a Christian leader led homeland in South Asia - a dagger pointed at India and a base in Indian Ocean. What better place than North Sri Lanka to dominate SLOC, keep Chinese in check and box India in.

Well, good riddance, I say.

[chetak]

This fact hit me quite late.

This fervent appeal for saving VP and LTTE in the end and duplicitous role played by those paragon of neutrality, the Norwegians, was because of christian dispensation of VP. They were rooting for a Christian leader led homeland in South Asia - a dagger pointed at India and a base in Indian Ocean. What better place than North Sri Lanka to dominate SLOC, keep Chinese in check and box India in.

Well, good riddance, I say.

Better late than never.

This very orchestrated campaign against the Srilankan state is driven by those very governments and religious organisations who failed miserably to save VP. They had nurtured him for decades! His head being blown away is a major setback bacause the GOI and the GOSL have seen through the charade. The campaign for a east timor like state in this part of the world has not ended. The contours have already been fleshed out and it includes large parts of south India. The new dramatis personae are being readied and rest assured that you have not seen the last of it. The ease with which east timor was prised away has given them new courage that the excercise can very easily be repeated in AP-KAR-Ker-TN-SL as well as the Indian north east.

The steady conversion of the coastal population in TN has been on for decades. They have already acquired political power. The elapsed timelines should show you the seriousness and focus of their intent.

[hnair]

Felt bad for that rather clueless looking boy, as by that age, I would have said "f*ck my psycho-dad, I want to live!" and ran off from the fine parenting he must have been getting. But then Prabhakaran would not hesitate to kill this boy himself, if his obese ass is on the line and some H&D is at stake.

Wonder why the Lankans (with their chankyan politicos as chetak-saar has rightly pointed out) have not done what the US has done with Saddam and his boys: hire a proxy for this hit?

[chetak]

Felt bad for that rather clueless looking boy, as by that age, I would have said "f*ck my psycho-dad, I want to live!" and ran off from the fine parenting he must have been getting. But then Prabhakaran would not hesitate to kill this boy himself, if his obese ass is on the line and some H&D is at stake.

Wonder why the Lankans (with their chankyan politicos as chetak-saar has rightly pointed out) have not done what the US has done with Saddam and his boys: hire a proxy for this hit?

I spoke with quite a few sinhalese businessmen. Their peripheral vision did not cover east timor. The reality began to dawn on the lankans around the time they were beginning to corner VP and his top management and fervent pleas to spare him came from "respectable" governments. Now it is slowly sinking in that maybe another great game is being played out here. They are confused and mad as hell with the visicious campaign against them.

[Surya]

Some tamilians are not only bullying SL but also India.

sadly that includes ones on BRF

under the garb of Tamil plight

btw look at how it comes out - where the ltte propaganda arms were strong.

[Surya]

When father VP did take out many hundreds of even younger boys using them as child soldiers, no one from anywhere objected wtih the same vehemence that we are seeing now. Were those kids not dear to some mother, father, sister, brother or other family members??

oh pssshhaaw

that was in cause of Eelam this was slaughter


don't you see the difference - there is no equal equal

[SwamyG]

All the talk is nice and handy. Time India made Srilanka a state - it is as simple/complex as that. Srilanka was part of Indic sphere thousands of years ago. In the 21st century........it has to become a state. If USA can take in Hawaii, India can take in Srilanka too.

[SwamyG]

Philip,

Time to now comment on the role of Nehru and his ideas of how Sri Lanka Tamils are Sri Lanka responsibility and how that led to the present conditions.
He basically left the Tamils to SL good graces. It was similar to the fate of Hindus in Pakistan.
And role of senior TN leaders of that time on this subject.

What was C Rajagopalachari's views? Kamaraj Nadar? Anyone else?

And left Tibet to China. There was this core he wanted to protect, but he let the periphery be stolen away. His focus on developing institutions and a developed India is very akin to MMS idea of India being strong economically ignoring its other dangers. It is growth at a terrible cost.

[hnair]

rohitvats-saar/chetak-saar, not just the scandies. Do not forget the running dog of such projects in that area : Oz, in all these machinations.

Anyone here remember how they "magically" found arms meant for a mythical Indian uprising in Fiji? Still remember how this made New Delhi chicken out like hell at that time, in raising these issues in UN etc

http://www.bmartin.cc/pubs/88gm.html

The resistance to the Fiji military regime has been explicitly and consistently nonviolent.[12] It is telling that the regime claimed that illicit arms shipments to Fiji, which were revealed by Australian Customs, were destined for coalition members, thereby trying to discredit them as planning violence. (It is said in Suva that a story set in print for the Fiji Times of 22 June 1988, claiming that the arms were imported by the Alliance Party, was censored by the army and all copies of the printed papers destroyed.)

It is just plain sad that the Sri Lankans are such punk-ass bitches, when it comes to dealing with the tamil ethnics or we don't have to deal with this in a painful fashion.

[Prem Kumar]

I have just returned from SL where I was was for three days.

The countryside is peaceful and progressive.

+1

I saw pictures of my friend's recent vacation. Was stunned when I realized that it was in SL. 5 years ago, an Indian going to SL on vacation (or for anything else, for that matter) would have been unthinkable.

Good riddance to VP and the Christian terrorist group called the LTTE

[SwamyG]

For all those people looking at how peaceful it is in SL, would you feel the same if some dude goes to Jammu and claims, it is all peaceful onlee... Ignoring the fact that the Pundits were ethnically cleansed and driven out?

[hnair]

For all those people looking at how peaceful it is in SL, would you feel the same if some dude goes to Jammu and claims, it is all peaceful onlee... Ignoring the fact that the Pundits were ethnically cleansed and driven out?

hell yeaah!! I infact was super happy, when a friend of mine was posting photos of a fine Srinagar vacation.

Stabilizing a region is the first step towards rehabilitation of refugees.

[Prasad]

Gentlemen, a kind request? Could we please stop beating each other up over the murder of that kid? What's done is done. As an India, I would like GoI to grow a pair and start taking the centrestage on getting SL back in line which would include integrating the tamils into the nation and getting a move on with their lives. And influencing them enough to see how being on amiable terms with us helps us both and keeps the porkis and chinese out. Not just for a feel-good hindi-srilankan bhai-bhai euphoria but on more hardcore terms of trade and national security.

That is my biggest regret with our past dealing with SL. We've never been able to get them to see the light that their internal discrimination against tamils isn't good for anyone. But unless we get a different govt at the centre, that isn't going to happen, what with our great foreign minister who doesn't know head or tail of any issue.

[Surya]

swamyg

from what i have heard there are Tamils in colombo - in fact they have been through the conflict and the LTTE tried to exploit it in every which way it could

so cannot compare to Kashmir

[SwamyG]

For all those people looking at how peaceful it is in SL, would you feel the same if some dude goes to Jammu and claims, it is all peaceful onlee... Ignoring the fact that the Pundits were ethnically cleansed and driven out?

hell yeaah!! I infact was super happy, when a friend of mine was posting photos of a fine Srinagar vacation.

Stabilizing a region is the first step towards rehabilitation of refugees.

So you think all the tamil refugees will be taken back by GoSL? And what about all the dead tamilians, and Sinhalese, huh?

How about we kill all to stabilize a region, maybe that is swell idea. jeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrd.

[anupmisra]

swamyg

from what i have heard there are Tamils in colombo - in fact they have been through the conflict and the LTTE tried to exploit it in every which way it could

so cannot compare to Kashmir

I have met some high profile Tamils in Colombo. Actually many serve the president on an advisory basis. They are the loyal ones.

[SwamyG]

Surya saaar......the point is migration of tamilians to other countries because of the conflict. Sure there are tamilians still left around in Srilanka, that is undeniable, and equally it is undeniable of the ethnic cleansing. Sad nobody fights for them, enough. Even HAF, in maasa, that continuously brings attention to the Hindus plight in Pakistan is mum. It seems they broached the subject once, but then dropped it....... I guess the really really SDRE do not have any value.

[habal]

Sinhalas with their historical baggage are not capable of giving justice to the SL tamils or treating them as equal citizens. If India doesn't step in, then de-facto colonisation of north will carry on and juvenile exercises like changing of names and installing statues will be what keep the Sinhalas occupied. What then will happen in the future will be a western sponsored anti-Sri Lanka coalition that will either pit Karava Sinhala (a coastal community with many christians in the group) against the Govigama (mainly buddhist) or some group of Sinhala disaffected will team up with Tamils with foreign support and destabilize Lanka.

If India steps in and handholds the Tamils and ensures their right to life, & right to dignity, only then the above scenario can be avoided. The publishing of this photo shows that the western interests are not done with Lanka yet, & they are not prepared to leave it alone.

[Prem Kumar]

For all those people looking at how peaceful it is in SL, would you feel the same if some dude goes to Jammu and claims, it is all peaceful onlee... Ignoring the fact that the Pundits were ethnically cleansed and driven out?

Yes - I would feel "how peaceful J&K is" once we have wiped out every jihadi pig there AND restored the Pandits to their homeland. Your analogy is just plain wrong

[SwamyG]

Prem, you don't even understand the analogy. Sad onlee.....

[Prem Kumar]

No sir. I do. And that's why I call it a flawed one.

[Yayavar]

The Pundits were pushed out by secessionists in the name of religion. The Tamils in SL had a path forward, but Prabhakaran/LTTE turned it into a full fledged war killing all moderate Tamil politicians - including all the way in Chennai(killing innocent Indian Tamils - multiple instances). He further destroyed the Rajiv Gandhi accord with Premadasa and accelerated the carnage. The resulting conflagration caused Tamil emigration. This is not the same as what happened to the Pundits. Wrong analogy.

[Aditya_V]

For all those people looking at how peaceful it is in SL, would you feel the same if some dude goes to Jammu and claims, it is all peaceful onlee... Ignoring the fact that the Pundits were ethnically cleansed and driven out?

Yeah! if Hurrirats (ISI Moles) and thier rabble rousing stone throwers and supporters were history too both in the valley, Delhi and Islamabad.

If peace holds out Tamils will return to being a prosperous and healthy minority in SL.

[Gus]

I cannot believe that people are saying
-its happened before, so its ok
-america did it, so its ok
-you were not there, so don't judge
-where were you when VP killed kids (NOTE: nobody here is supporting VP at all. Why this kolaveri in assuming that if someday says the kid was murdered then it is == I SUPPORT VP)
-rahul gandhi grew up to inherit the dynasty. So would this kid (This is the stupidest argument. yeah HE AND WHAT ARMY???? The one that is all dead bar none???? If the SL tamils form another terrorist group, it would have more to do with how SL handles things NOW...and by the way, killing kids are not the best signals of 'lets work for peace'.

Is it so complex a concept that a person can not be a LTTE supporter/sympathizer, but still be against the murder of a kid?

[Philip]

Donne's words do apply to that unfortunate kid and all the other unfortunates who lost their lives in that futile war.No one also wants to remember how ruthlessly the fascist fuhrer of the LTTE exterminated ALL moderate Tamil opposition leaders from Amirthalingam to Kadirgamar.Neelam Tiruchelvam who during CBK's time was entrusted with drawing up a new Constitution was deliberately exterminated by the LTTE so that no peaceful alternative would be available for the war weary Tamils of the north and east.This why Karuna revolted,taking the eastern Tamils away from the LTTE,splitting the movement into half,which was the first major factor for the LTTE's downfall.In fact a film with the same name,just like the one on the Nazi leader and his last days should be made of the LTTE's fuhrer!

[hnair]

SwamyG, I dont think an alive Piribhakaran (or Arafat) would stabilize a region and return even a semblance of normalcy (not rapid progress, just silent guns). With his elimination and the resultant lack of instability, India can push for the rehab. And India must try hard, with lots of prodding from TN to make sure the Sri Lankans play nice.

[Satya_anveshi]

Is it so complex a concept that a person can not be a LTTE supporter/sympathizer, but still be against the murder of a kid?

Would you say that same as above if you knew that the said "kid' had participated in killing others? Not claiming that I know but a very reasonable guess as lot of kids were used as cannon fodder by LTTE. You think VP can encourage other kids to hold guns without his own kid involved?

Further, I hope it is also not complex to understand that national security cannot be held hostage to emotions of few especially with situations around people with questionable background.

That is all there is to it. Good riddance of LTTE. Kudos to SL and hope that SL has learnt its lessons around who its real friends are and where its future lies.

[Javee]

Kudos to SL and hope that SL has learnt its lessons around who its real friends are and where its future lies.

Did they really?
By the looks of it, they haven't learnt squat. If they do not take care of the tamils or for that matter muslims, they will have to fight a bigger long drawn out war. Sadly, the book thumping buddhist monks do not understand it, nor their self proclaimed Duttagamu. Every dog has its day and today is theirs.

[vina]

You think VP can encourage other kids to hold guns without his own kid involved?

Ok. What about his wife Mathivathani, what about their daughter, Duvaraka ? From the looks of it, that kid wasn't holding a gun. Murder is murder.

The Sri Lankans are dumb beyond belief. They probably won the war, the jury is out on that (which India helped them win, without which the LTTE would be ruling in the North and East like they did for nearly 20 years), but they have definitely lost the peace. The "Tamil Problem" will come back roaring again in another generation or so, if the current scheme of things continue.

[Yayavar]

If it was not LTTE would the other Tamils have fought such a protracted war? Btw, Prabhakaran had shootouts in TN. And wasnt there a bomb at Meenambakkam killing lots of Indians by these SL secessionists? And of course when they killed Rajiv Gandhi, about 50 other locals died too. SL did the same to the Sinhala JVP or whatever it was called , as they did to LTTE. The civil war spoilt all the good thet RG-Premadasa accord had put in place. (Not that Premadasa was unhappy).

[member_20292]

a simple pest control excercise and should be seen as such. In fact the rest of the pests infesting south India should also be eradicated equally efficiently. Some tamilians are not only bullying SL but also India. A swift kick in the family jewels and some random sedition charges should put paid to them, Just as we don't

this is not good and reads like the start of justification for shia/ahmadi massacres that happen in our friendly neighbour.

India ....there is no choice but to be secular, and accomodate everyone. Yes...almost everyone.

Because otherwise our union leads to disintegration like , for example, the USSR.

[Theo_Fidel]

The terms of the war is set by the Sri Lankan constitution which does not permit any compromise. For now the Tamils are licking their wounds and rebuilding, sooner or later the Buddhist folks will over reach again....

[member_20292]

^^^

theo ji ...I missed getting your e khat id. if you like you can put it again on this thread and then remove it. cheers.

[vina]

If it was not LTTE would the other Tamils have fought such a protracted war? Btw, Prabhakaran had shootouts in TN. And wasnt there a bomb at Meenambakkam killing lots of Indians by these SL secessionists? And of course when they killed Rajiv Gandhi, about 50 other locals died too.

Yes. That is why they are terrorists. BTW, the LTTE was supported, nurtured and supplied by India until Rajiv Gandhi's days, when they turned against us. The India -LTTE history is complex and has too many shades of gray. The LTTE had support right from Mrs Gandhi's days, very strong support during MGR days (more than during DMK) and yes, right until RG days.

SL did the same to the Sinhala JVP or whatever it was called , as they did to LTTE. The civil war spoilt all the good thet RG-Premadasa accord had put in place. (Not that Premadasa was unhappy).

No one talks much about it. But the JVP was crushed by the INDIAN ARMY, not the rump SL Army in those days. We ran the counter insurgency in those days. The Maoist threat in India's neighborhood was real and immediate (1962 was a very near memory as was the domestic naxal threat) and India eliminated it. The trouble is the JVP cadres and their wives and children were not murdered in cold blood by the Sri Lankans like they did with the Tamils.

We really savef the bacons TWICE for the Lankans, scratch that, THRICE for the Lankans. The JVP insurgency, saving their backsides from the LTTE when they threatened to overrun key strategic footholds and access areas like Elephant pass and of course the infamous IPKF period, when they were literally on their knees and Eelam existed defacto.

The sight of the Buddhist monks coming running to the Indian embassy when their backsides are on fire (like when the LTTE overran Elephant pass) is not even funny. All this for a bunch of ingrates , who slept with the Pakis in 1971 (and refueled their subs) and are now jumping on to the Chinese.