Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2011

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 25 Jul 2011 19:10

RajeshA wrote:Pakistan is not a Venereal Disease - Hina Khar

What happened to you. You used to be a liberal. ??

Runs and hides in his kave complex

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 25 Jul 2011 19:39

Pakistan is not a Rabid Dog - Hai na Khara

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 25 Jul 2011 19:54

RajeshA wrote:Pakistan is not a Rabid Dog - Hai na Khara

Agree with this one. TSP is actually a cross between suar and khuspoo that is infected with rabies.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 25 Jul 2011 20:11

http://newsinsight.net/archivedebates/n ... recno=2167
Between a rock...
Pakistan may barely survive the US military-aid cut, says N.V.Subramanian.

akistan has dug itself into a hole. It can come out of it only if it makes a clean break with terrorism which it cannot and won't. The civilian political leadership (both on the ruling side and the opposition) is too weak and divided to take on the military and save Pakistan, because the Pakistan military is at the root of the present crisis. India can do nothing to save the situation and should not even try. Its entire efforts should be focused on securing its national territories and on countering the fallouts of Pakistan's imminent collapse.
The trigger for all this has been provided by the US decision to withhold a little under a third of its military aid to Pakistan which was due for payment ($800 million). The decision has come after much agonizing and dithering. The Barack Obama administration (including the Pentagon) would have preferred the choices not to have turned so stark. But the US Congress had been steadily growing agitated over unquestioned disbursal of vast sums of taxpayer's monies to a country which has established a consistent record of acting against United States' interests.

Within the Pakistan military, the army chief, General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, has become the weakest ever in his three-year service extension. His brief, as prepared by Pakistan's powerful corps commanders, was to extract the most monies and concessions from the US while playing the counter-terrorism game to Pakistan's advantage. Which is, as explained before, instigate and support terrorism against Afghanistan (and India), and use an eventually terrorist-controlled Afghanistan against India. The US is not bothered about Pakistani terrorism against India. It could not, however, tolerate Pakistan's double game in Afghanistan, and a military aid cut has followed weeks after Osama Bin Laden's assassination.
With Kayani leading the Pakistani double game on terrorism, naturally he has been hurt the worst by Bin Laden's death. Initial US reports suggested he would be overthrown in a colonel's coup. Follow up intelligence said he had become very vulnerable and was no longer in a dominant position vis-a-vis the corps commanders. This writer assessed Kayani would go. He has no reason to change the analysis. To save himself, Kayani has had to distance from the US anti-terror campaign, and the consequences have followed. It is US aid cut now.

So, while China has huge strategic stakes in rescuing Pakistan (as a counter to India, as a gateway to mineral-rich Afghanistan, and so on), it is also fully aware of the downside of getting too closely associated with that failed state. China will not commit US mistakes in Pakistan. Indeed, China has been counseling Pakistan not to make a final break with the US.

But Pakistan's internal dynamics make such a break inevitable. Anti-Americanism is all-pervasive. The jihadi influence in the military is rising. The Pakistan military also needs the jihadis to advance its interests in Afghanistan and against India. And the civilian political leadership is powerless to break this nexus. Any which way you look, Pakistan is programmed for destruction.
India can do nothing to stop this, and it shouldn't. Obviously, India has no role in Pakistan's present turmoil, and that is the way it should be. But in Pakistan's break up lies salvation for India. It could be argued that in deciding to cut military aid to Pakistan, the US has reached the same decision, without knowing it or even articulating it. India has to take the usual precautions in Jammu and Kashmir and elsewhere. The Pakistan military might calculate that a terrorism-triggered war with India would take the current pressure off it. Insane as it sounds, India should be prepared.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 25 Jul 2011 20:53

gakakkad wrote:
RajeshA wrote:Pakistan is not a Rabid Dog - Hai na Khara

Agree with this one. TSP is actually a cross between suar and khuspoo that is infected with rabies.

How dare you insult the suar and the khuspoo

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 25 Jul 2011 21:06

vijayk:

I don't agree with NSN's analysis. Reasons being:

1) TSP still has lotsa lovers and India haters in DC
2) While India has lovers in DC, but they are also ambivalent about getting too close until India caps, rolls back, and elimintaes its nuke unequivocally
3) 4-way Civilization war in full throttle: western, Islamist, Confuscian, and Hindu. While the first 3 are not quite friends, but they see a common threat in Hindu civilization
4) For all the hype & bluster, Pakijabis know their game is over with India if US really comes down hard on them, whether or not US actually does it for the sake of India

ajinkya · Post by **ajinkya** » 25 Jul 2011 21:13

http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/hafiz ... dia-121936

Making provocative comments again, Jamaat-ud-Dawah (JuD) chief Hafiz Muhammad Saeed has vowed to enter India through Jammu and Kashmir.
Saeed, the founder of the banned Lashkar-e-Taiba and blamed by India for masterminding the 2008 Mumbai attacks, said: "From the door of Kashmir we will launch Gazwah-e-Hind (battle for Hindustan)".

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 25 Jul 2011 21:15

CRamS wrote:4-way Civilization war in full throttle: western, Islamist, Confuscian, and Hindu. While the first 3 are not quite friends, but they see a common threat in Hindu civilization

Bullshit. Or, we can pick any 3 of the list and say the same thing about the threat from the remaining one.

In reality, the biggest conflict today and for the forseaable future is with the Islamists on one side and rest on the other.

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 25 Jul 2011 21:24

Rangudu wrote:
CRamS wrote:4-way Civilization war in full throttle: western, Islamist, Confuscian, and Hindu. While the first 3 are not quite friends, but they see a common threat in Hindu civilization
Bullshit. Or, we can pick any 3 of the list and say the same thing about the threat from the remaining one.

In reality, the biggest conflict today and for the forseaable future is with the Islamists on one side and rest on the other.

My take on this is that in the long run it will be Western + Hindu Vs Confuscian and Islamist. And I would include Eastern Europe in the western mix. Based on the fact that it is Pakistan and China who have profressed territorial ambitions in the sub continent. And the US knows that the long term goal of China is to subjugate the US and therefore its poodles.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 25 Jul 2011 21:39

krishnan wrote:"gakakkad"]"RajeshAPakistan is not a Rabid Dog - Hai na Khara[/color][Agree with this one. TSP is actually a cross between suar and khuspoo that is infected with rabies.

Kaun hai woh kaun , Jisne yeh Poaq banaya
Single cell Amoeba kee aisee Shape banaya
Naa Aqal, Naa Shakal, Naa Bheja isme paaya
Naa haath se, naa paanv se ,
Siraf Musharraf se kaam Chalaya!!
Koi Kahe Arabi, Koi kahane Irani,
Koi Kahe Toorki , Koi Kahe Afghani
Koi patta nahi, Poaqaulad ko kisne Zaaya.

Indians have no shame in admitting that Poaqerstan Excell in Mussharrf Sell to avoid domestic hell and digging cesspit Well so Madam, no need to Yell , world know you Well and now trying best to quarantine this Hell.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 25 Jul 2011 22:23

Rangudu wrote: Bullshit. Or, we can pick any 3 of the list and say the same thing about the threat from the remaining one.

In reality, the biggest conflict today and for the forseaable future is with the Islamists on one side and rest on the other.

You are obliquely making my point. To slightly elaborate, western civilization is the most powerful, Confuscian comes next, and then Hindu/Isalmist. Of course the mighty west has issues with the other 3. The west is at loggerheads with Isalmist. Hindu civilization doens't quite alarm west, but it has universal contempt for Hinduism as such, which they view as nothing but an oppressive caste hierarchy, and so they want to control the Hindu rate of growth. TSP is very useful in this regard. Likewise, TSP can't get too uppity, west/Confuscians have them by their b@lls. And lastly, while west and Confuscians are somewhat ambivalent about each other, this is where Condi's BS about "making India a global superpower of the 21st century" comes in; to keep Confuscians on notice.

krithivas · Post by **krithivas** » 25 Jul 2011 22:26

Rangudu wrote:
CRamS wrote:4-way Civilization war in full throttle: western, Islamist, Confuscian, and Hindu. While the first 3 are not quite friends, but they see a common threat in Hindu civilization
Bullshit. Or, we can pick any 3 of the list and say the same thing about the threat from the remaining one.

In reality, the biggest conflict today and for the forseaable future is with the Islamists on one side and rest on the other.

IMO, The entire world is a witness to the ward between soft-but-Rabid Evangelical Christian efforts on spiritual colonization vs. hard-IED-type-Islamists efforts waging Jihad. They both are on a war-path to recruit believers and Hindu civilization is a resource pool to dive into as far as the EVJs and Islamists are concerned.

sanjeevpunj · Post by **sanjeevpunj** » 25 Jul 2011 22:29

rajanb wrote: My take on this is that in the long run it will be Western + Hindu Vs Confuscian and Islamist. And I would include Eastern Europe in the western mix. Based on the fact that it is Pakistan and China who have profressed territorial ambitions in the sub continent. And the US knows that the long term goal of China is to subjugate the US and therefore its poodles.

A natural agreement exists on a Hindu-Christian coalition.I also do see the Chipak (China Pak) movement catching on, with Zardawala heading off to China more often than London.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 25 Jul 2011 22:41

one more word about war of civilizations in this thread and people are going to get warned.

ranjbe · Post by **ranjbe** » 25 Jul 2011 22:49

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vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 25 Jul 2011 22:51

CRamS:

I understand what you are saying. But overall, what I see is a realization in many Indian journalists that conflict with Pakistan is not resolvable no matter what. Now they even realized that Pakis can't stop fighting the west/US even if that means their own destruction.

Vir Sanghvi, Praveen Swami and now Subramanian are all saying same thing that we have been saying for long time here. They used to call us all kinds of names: saffron types, ultra-nationalists by painting every patriot as Hindu bigot and fascist.

Here is another WKK outlet:

http://www.rediff.com/news/column/indo- ... 110725.htm

A dialogue at the foreign minister's level is scheduled between India and Pakistan towards the end of the month. This will not be a unique event since several other dialogue fora have been continuously active over a long span of time.

The Neemrana Dialogue (track-two diplomacy) between the self appointed intellectuals has been going on for more than 20 years. Various think tanks with funding from foreign sources are at it fairly regularly at diverse external locations. There are other civil society groups engaged in similar activity.

In addition, there have been officially inspired track II discussions. The forthcoming track I exchange between the two foreign ministers will be the latest one in an official series in which the heads of two governments have also been participating. However, in terms of real progress between the two countries, the outcomes are nothing much to talk about. The process itself remained objectively a sterile exercise, not withstanding some minor achievements which are vaingloriously labelled 'confidence building measures'. The reasons for such continuous failure are not difficult to fathom but the dialogues are kept going simply in the hope that a more fruitful dawn may miraculously arrive.

There are fundamental differences in the perspectives of the two countries which rule out substantive progress. India looks at Pakistan through the prism of geography and territory, whereas, for Pakistan the problems with India are rooted in the mists of ideology. A meeting ground is, therefore, difficult to attain.

This theory has compelled Pakistan continuously to deny the Hindu and Buddhist traditions of common culture of the sub-continent and to project non existing Arab underpinnings as the heritage of Pakistan. The idea of Pakistan has been nurtured through such denial.

Over the decades Pakistan has been in existence, Hindus have been systematically driven out and its Islam widely Saudiised and Wahabised. The traumatising experiences of partition, resulting in the killing of hundreds of thousands, etched deeply in the Pakistani psyche, also contributes in the defining of Pakistan. That country will not accept any solutions to its problems with India which do not fit in its ideological framework or run counter to its two-nation theory.

Therefore, Pakistan's deadly confrontation with India has become an abiding reality. Kashmir alone is not its cause. Solutions lie well beyond the capacity of any dialogue.

Another significant contributory factor is the absence of a defining national identity in Pakistan. The gap is filled up artificially by building up an identity through confrontation with India. This make believe process wounds Pakistan in multiple ways but the irony is that it holds India to blame for its wounds

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Those who engage in track II or civil society dialogues with Pakistan largely interact with their opposite numbers and broadly their interlocutors remain the same individuals at successive sessions. Very rarely they have access to what actually constitutes the civil society in Pakistan, i.e. students, labour activists, professionals from different sectors, teachers, farmers; religious, political and sectarian workers, and leaders from the grass-roots.

The assessment received from such civil service groups are heavily out of tune with the ground realities. Views such as those of the former Pakistan Chief of Army Staff General Jehangir Karamat that war alone could bring a solution to India-Pakistan problems, are rarely, if ever, reflected. Pakistani intentions about their nuclear arsenal have remained largely clouded as government dialogues ensure no access to serving military personnel of Pakistan who control this arsenal and decide policy about its uses.

There is a distinctive downside to the dialogue process. It has not succeeded in arresting the terrorism campaign against India. There was a time when it was happily believed that Al Qaeda [ Images ] was not targeting India and that indigenous elements were immune from its virus. That myth now stands blown out.

The danger is not Al Qaeda but its ideology which no longer needs an Osama bin Laden [ Images ] or Al-Zawahiri to grow to new heights. The sights are now well set on India. The protagonists of the dialogue process need to reflect how the enlarged threats can be combated, at the ground as well as in the philosophical spheres. That such currents should cross into India is a fervent hope and cherished dream of Pakistan.

see... None of these points are new to us. Many people in BRF put forward this analysis long long time back. Some people like B.R.Raman even referred to this site and called it a hyper national or ultra nationalist site.

The only difference now is many many analysts are coming to the same conclusion years later. Finally the world is accepting the truth. We need to encourage them since they influence the common man more than we can do.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 26 Jul 2011 00:55

vijayk,

The articles re-iterates everthing someone even perpherally knowledgable with TSP knows, but he doesn't recommend anything concrete. What we need is a clear articulation of India's diplomatic options visa vi TSP that have some chance of hurting TSP so they desist from pursuing their use of terror as instrument of state policy. Certainly I agree as the author argues that useless talks with TSP are a waste of time, but what else?

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 26 Jul 2011 01:30

CRamS wrote:vijayk,

The articles re-iterates everthing someone even perpherally knowledgable with TSP knows, but he doesn't recommend anything concrete.

This itself is a progress for our DDM. They were either too dumb to know this little while ago or too canny to admit since that would come across their agenda of labeling any one or every one who is patriotic as hardliner, right-wing, sanghi, saffron type, hindutvavadi, ultra-nationalist etc. At least, now they are admitting the futility of talking to the loonies on the other side. That does not mean that they would admit mistake and give due respect to other's views.
They already started linking RSS and Hindus to the loony who attacked people in Norway. They are even asking questions about how Norwegian incident and hindutva groups are inter related. The honorable HM chidu started expounding on the dangers of Hindus making bombs and killing people.

What we need is a clear articulation of India's diplomatic options visa vi TSP that have some chance of hurting TSP so they desist from pursuing their use of terror as instrument of state policy. Certainly I agree as the author argues that useless talks with TSP are a waste of time, but what else?

Most of the DDM/liberals take cue from this useless Govt. which is running the Govt. like a headless chicken. So I won't expect any of these idiots to come up with possible options to defend India. For them, talking about defending India is criminal and fascist act.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 26 Jul 2011 08:02

Book Review: Joby Warrick's 'The Triple Agent'

arun · Post by **arun** » 26 Jul 2011 08:19

The sectarian politics of the Mohammadden world in play.

Sunni majority Pakistan’s overture to Shia majority Iran is reportedly not going done well with Sunni majority Saudi Arabia.

Isn’t Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari an adherent of the minority Shia sect?

Pakistan's Iran overtures test Saudi faith

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 26 Jul 2011 08:32

Rahul M wrote:one more word about war of civilizations in this thread and people are going to get warned.

Sorry Rahul. Didna mean to cross any lines. Cheers.

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 26 Jul 2011 08:44

An oblique reference to Indian Intel agencies influence:

http://pakobserver.net/detailnews.asp?id=105422

FBI officials’ anti-Pakistan feeling lands Dr Fai in trouble

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 26 Jul 2011 09:14

Alright gentlemen. No more links from Pakobserver it is run by a rabid Paki who is Zaid Hamid types and invents stories form his musharraf. None of them are based in any kind of truth or reality. Please refrain from posting articles from that site.

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 26 Jul 2011 09:35

Anujan wrote:Alright gentlemen. No more links from Pakobserver it is run by a rabid Paki who is Zaid Hamid types and invents stories form his musharraf. None of them are based in any kind of truth or reality. Please refrain from posting articles from that site.

Anujan, to me these articles fall in the realm of black humour. Good to see their BP soaring.

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 26 Jul 2011 09:57

when's the next hajaam sethi coming up? would love to see comments of fai episode.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 26 Jul 2011 10:30

rajanb wrote:Anujan, to me these articles fall in the realm of black humour. Good to see their BP soaring.

Put the links in "code" tags. Then the Pakistani site would not benefit from a better search engine ranking.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 26 Jul 2011 11:24

Blowing Hot, Blowing Cold: the norm in US-Pakistan relations - Anita Joshua

Lt. Gen. Pasha left for the U.S. two days after the White House spoke about $800-million cut in military aid to Pakistan and in the 10 days between that statement and Dr. Fai's arrest, both sides did some give and take. As is always the case with this relationship, no details were officially forthcoming but the buzz is that Washington may not withhold the green bucks and Islamabad has agreed to allowing 87 CIA operatives to return.

But the pause in the constant sniping at each other's heels through the media was short-lived as Dr. Fai was picked up. Islamabad remained quiet for two days after his arrest and — by default or design — broke its silence just hours after the U.S. Congress rejected an amendment to cut off all assistance to Pakistan.

A demarche was made to the U.S. Embassy in Islamabad to register Pakistan's concerns; particularly the slander campaign against the country. Though no mention was made of Dr. Fai's co-accused, Zaheer Ahmad, the possibility of his presence in Pakistan could open another round of sparring if U.S. insists that Islamabad hand him over. Already, linkages are being drawn of how this case could also be a bid by the U.S. to get Pakistan to release a native doctor who is alleged to have helped the CIA ascertain al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden's presence in Abbottabad.

Addressing this narrative in his analysis on Pakistan's internal dynamics and external challenges, former Foreign Minister Inam-ul-Haque asked if Pakistan could afford to confront the U.S. and deal with the isolation that is bound to follow. No, was his answer; adding that even the Islamic world would not stand with Pakistan.

While Washington has made it amply clear that the drone attacks will continue with or without Islamabad's support, Pakistan's leverage because of the transit route it provides for movement of supplies to U.S.-led forces in Afghanistan is also weakening as a bulk of this is being shifted to the Northern Distribution Network (NDN). The NDN is a series of commercially based logistical arrangements connecting the Baltic and Caspian ports with Afghanistan through Russia, Central Asia and the Caucasus.

Barring weapons — which are mostly flown in — much of the supplies and fuel for the ISAF in Afghanistan used to be taken over land through Pakistan after they arrived by ship in Karachi. But an increasing number of attacks on these supply trucks has forced the U.S. and its allies to shift to the NDN. From nearly 70 per cent last year, only 35 per cent of supplies to U.S. troops in Afghanistan goes through Pakistan now and this is expected to go down further before the year is through.

Elaborating on why Pakistan is still aid-dependent, Prof. Naseem told The Hindu : “The economic managers saw the marginal costs of raising foreign aid — presenting Pakistan's case for its needs to the international community — far lower than the cost of mobilising domestic resources, which required bold and painstaking land reforms, educational and taxation reforms and prevention of leakages (including corruption). The ruling elite had a vested interest in not undertaking, or at least deferring them until they became inevitable – and even then without sufficient seriousness or political will.”

And, this ruling elite across all segments of society does not bat an eyelid criticising the U.S. while digging into a burger at the American joint, Hardee's. The irony could not have been more stark. Just the week before the U.S. threatened to cut military aid, Hardee's opened its outlet in Islamabad and people have been queuing up in the fortnight since. Even at 2 a.m., finding a place to sit inside the large three-outlet is like a game of musical chairs.

No one even suggested a token boycott since Hardee's is as American as it can get. In fact, recalls defence analyst, Ayesha Siddiqa: “Even when we attempted to organise a boycott some years ago against U.S. brand names in reaction to the Iraq war, there were few takers.” Mecca-Cola — an alternative inspired by Iran's Zam Zam Cola to American cola brands — did enter the Pakistani market in 2003 but is hardly ever seen in a market flooded with Coke and Pepsi. Even, a locally manufactured cola — Pakola with all the variants — is seldom found.

Even otherwise, the American dream continues to be pursued by youngsters coming from families with some means despite the difficulties in getting a visa. Most well-to-do children are the products of schools following the British ‘O' level and ‘A' level systems of education. The duality is amazing and widespread, said one academic; faced with students, with American or British accents, spewing venom at the West while applying for college admissions in these very countries; not once bothered by the contradiction.

While on the one hand the Pakistani elite has internalised the Western way of life with all its trappings — copied even by the middle class as best they can with their limited resources — there is no equal appreciation for America's adherence to democracy, free speech, freedom of religion.

The U.S., too, while pumping in a lot of money into this country, has failed to invest effort in understanding Pakistani society as was evident from the Embassy's decision to host the first ever “Gay, Lesbian, Bi-sexual and Transgender Pride Celebration” last month in pursuit “of equal rights for all, regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity.”

This move surprised not just the Pakistanis but the sizable international community present in Islamabad as nothing could have been more out of sync with the prevalent mood in the country and the U.S. of all countries — with its large presence here — should have seen the writing on the wall. The celebration earned the Americans the accusation of spreading “cultural terrorism” and caused further suspicion about the U.S. agenda in Pakistan.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 26 Jul 2011 11:57

^^^ if the embassy is hosting such a celebration, then unkil understands pakistani society far better than the paquis give them credit for!

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 26 Jul 2011 12:06

Come on, the elections in USA are drawing close, and Obama wants to make an impression on the Gays in USA, that the Democrats are totally for gay rights and where else to do this, but there where it causes the most upset people - in Pakistan.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 26 Jul 2011 12:41

Violence continues in Karachi

An MQM activist, 25-year-old Fayyaz Hussain, was shot dead in Ramaswami area.

Shrinivasan · Post by **Shrinivasan** » 26 Jul 2011 12:51

Pratyush wrote:It is my experience that when some one speaks of not being inferior to some one else, they are inferior to that some one else. Otherwise they don't need to speak of inferiority / superiority.

Good point... this has been proven from Freudian times.

Narad · Post by **Narad** » 26 Jul 2011 13:01

RajeshA wrote:Come on, the elections in USA are drawing close, and Obama wants to make an impression on the Gays in USA, that the Democrats are totally for gay rights and where else to do this, but there where it causes the most upset people - in Pakistan.

Shrinivasan · Post by **Shrinivasan** » 26 Jul 2011 13:01

rajanb wrote:An oblique reference to Indian Intel agencies influence: http://pakobserver.net/detailnews.asp?id=105422
FBI officials’ anti-Pakistan feeling lands Dr Fai in trouble

This is more a rant than a journalistic piece. e drones on reeling out names and places. Someone had leaked a bunch of data to this hack to write an article and this A$$ just messed it up. He makes it sound like vengeance for something Pakis had done to him etc. As usual they miss the point of "Why Fair has been arrested? Why now? What other shit will get poured on us? instead they are launching on to an attack on Yindia Yisrael...

Shrinivasan · Post by **Shrinivasan** » 26 Jul 2011 13:07

SSridhar wrote:Blowing Hot, Blowing Cold: the norm in US-Pakistan relations - Anita Joshua
but the buzz is that Washington may not withhold the green bucks

Where did Anita Joshua hear this "Buzz", probably form her Paki contact who gave her this Buzz about the "coming green bucks" when he slipped her "hafta green bucks". Who is the audience for this article in the Hindu? WKKs have no qualms about writing anything?

Shrinivasan · Post by **Shrinivasan** » 26 Jul 2011 13:09

RajeshA wrote:Come on, the elections in USA are drawing close, and Obama wants to make an impression on the Gays in USA, that the Democrats are totally for gay rights and where else to do this, but there where it causes the most upset people - in Pakistan.

This has got nothing to do with US elections in 2012 Nov, this is just another instance of Uncle poking the pigs eye and grinning at him. Uncle wants to show "who is king" at every available opportunity.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 26 Jul 2011 13:50

Shrinivasan wrote:
RajeshA wrote:Come on, the elections in USA are drawing close, and Obama wants to make an impression on the Gays in USA, that the Democrats are totally for gay rights and where else to do this, but there where it causes the most upset people - in Pakistan.
This has got nothing to do with US elections in 2012 Nov, this is just another instance of Uncle poking the pigs eye and grinning at him. Uncle wants to show "who is king" at every available opportunity.

Well of course Uncle was not all too worried about how the Pakistanis would look at the event and its theme! But how come they came to this wonderful idea? Why wasn't the issue of women's rights or minorities' rights taken up instead? May be because those issue don't reverberate so strongly in America! As a women's rights issue it would not have created much of a fuss, and less credits to take back home!

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 26 Jul 2011 14:10

RajeshA wrote: Well of course Uncle was not all too worried about how the Pakistanis would look at the event and its theme! But how come they came to this wonderful idea? Why wasn't the issue of women's rights or minorities' rights taken up instead? May be because those issue don't reverberate so strongly in America! As a women's rights issue it would not have created much of a fuss, and less credits to take back home!

Was it merely to tell the paki mard "shove it up"??

or even simply imply that all pakis were Gay, Lesbian, Bi-sexual and Transgender Pride Celebration aficionados?

Very strange to take up the "“Gay, Lesbian, Bi-sexual and Transgender Pride Celebration”" among the paki mard whose tastes lean more towards the capra hircus of the bovidae and caprinae families

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Shrinivasan · Post by **Shrinivasan** » 26 Jul 2011 15:00

RajeshA wrote:Well of course Uncle was not all too worried about how the Pakistanis would look at the event and its theme! But how come they came to this wonderful idea? Why wasn't the issue of women's rights or minorities' rights taken up instead? May be because those issue don't reverberate so strongly in America! As a women's rights issue it would not have created much of a fuss, and less credits to take back home!

Rajesh, that is probably next... When Sec Clinton meets Hina Khar, she will stress this and the US Embassy might do that... probably also a Christian Bishops conference to suck to evangelicals back home... I am not saying GOTUS won't play politics, it will. Events like this, now won't have any bearing on US elections in Nov 2012. US public's memory is so fleeting. Even Norway matter would die down tomorrow with the NFL deal being announced. Everything else would die with the announcement of the debt deal. Nobody remembers happenings in Pakistan except probably something like OBL killing raid. my 2 cents.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 26 Jul 2011 16:20

Pak will survive.A European diplomat once said that he never was amazed more how the Paki ship of state almost scraped its keel and ran aground time after time,or words to that effect.There was one recent report that the Chinese are actually gifting free 50 of the fighter aircraft that Pak is buying/building at home.With free wepaons from China from one side and mountains of aid from the US and Saudi Arabia (inexchange for nukes and missiles) from the other,the paki ship of state though it may flounder from time to time.,survives because of the two "tugs" that always extricate it from its difficulties.This creaking ship though is suffering from hull fatigue ,with plates groaning and rivets popping,and one day despite all the help it gets from its "tugs",will either capsize or disintegrate on the high seas from its internal turmoil.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 26 Jul 2011 16:41

We should not be held hostage by history: Ms. Khar

All important political parties and leaders, including PML(N) chief Nawaz Sharif, Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain of the PML(Q) and Maulana Fazlur Rehman, are backing the peace process with India, she said.

That was how PM Man Mohan Singh was tricked at Sharm-el-Sheikh. Let us see what happens now.