India-US Relations : News and Discussion

saip · Post by **saip** » 16 Jan 2015 03:51

ramana wrote:Eventually it is to pave the way to provide drones to TSP.

This particular drone seems to be already in use by TSP

shyam · Post by **shyam** » 16 Jan 2015 10:40

Indian defense forces could join fight against ISIS soon

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 16 Jan 2015 10:45

^^^^

India has decided to join the fight against the Islamic State that has been reigning terror in the middle-east, sources privy to the information have disclosed to Tehelka.

Who are these sources hain? The usual un-named sources that give info to our Journalists (who are the Pillars of Integrity, Meritocracy, Professionalism and Sobriety)?

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 16 Jan 2015 10:51

shyam wrote:Indian defense forces could join fight against ISIS soon

No body is fighting for us, why are we even considering fighting someone else war?? Sure, kerry will ask because he wants to see less of amreki body bags and his gelfie friends do not want to see any gelfie body bags at all.

they have been very keen to get us involved since the eyrak war, when ABV almost agreed. It was a big mistake to even consider it then and an even bigger mistake to consider it now.

For now it looks like an standard tehelka dirty tricks effort to polarize the delhi voters

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 16 Jan 2015 10:55

shyam wrote:Indian defense forces could join fight against ISIS soon

Although I would love to see Indian Army setting up a date for ISIS fighters with 72 houris, I don't want folded tricolor and boxes in C-130s returning from Islamic Badlands. IAF can do sorties but boots on ground is a different story. Let the Christian crusade armies take on Islamic hordes.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 16 Jan 2015 10:59

No one is going to join any war gurus. It is all kite flying by Con Media. They want to have lot of lefty, peaceful protests during Obomber visit to India. Obomber, the most leftist Khan leader to win top post is being opposed by our lefties. Ironic. One report says that Kerry snubbed NM and this report says that he is impressed. It all depends on which leaf you smoke while writing.

This Jindal fellow is having objection to " American Indians" or "Indian Americans". So he decided to cut his link to India ever by blood. Culture etc already gone when he converted to EJ faith. I wish to see how he will fare in next elections. Dude is making lot of changes to who he is.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 16 Jan 2015 11:38

Good this should take care of the house nigger phenomenon. When it comes to Indians who are speaking for America.

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 16 Jan 2015 12:04

Pratyush wrote:Good this should take care of the house nigger phenomenon. When it comes to Indians who are speaking for America.

That's wishful thinking as we can see a just a few posts above

And those are "Americans" speaking for America. They may choose to speak "for" India as long as it is "congruent with American interests and policies."

nvishal · Post by **nvishal** » 16 Jan 2015 12:12

Can we slow down on the unnecessary gossip talk increasing the post counts on this and many BR threads

nvishal · Post by **nvishal** » 16 Jan 2015 12:40

Key points to note:

1) Obama is an outgoing president.

2) Modis idea of domestic manufacturing(MII) stalls wests ambitions

3) India got an NSG waiver via Indo-US nuke deal but it was consecutively repelled. India is a NSG member only on PR books.

4) Global jihadism has affected the great game. Islam is cutting through western societies on ground. It is penetrating races again. India needs to mind its own business and keep out of the islam-christianity power play. This means that indians should not criticize or even quote muslim activities on western soil. Keep out strictly.

Courting the americans and the west is necessary during interactions but india must not get involved. All current paths taken by states and entities will reach their logical ends.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 16 Jan 2015 13:24

Tuvaluan wrote:So Basically these US SD mofos including this pr!ck is going to the US ambassador to India next, think they have jurisdiction of acts committed on Indian territory and can prosecute Indian citizens who have been found not guilty in Indian courts for such acts by the Indian supreme court, like the current PM, but they are not responsible for even sharing the proceeds of reparations that is rightfully owed Indias who may have sacrificed their lives for americans. What a humanitarian bunch of gaandus in the USA. Thoo. #$%%$s. And please stop jumping to the defence of the scumbags like Richard Verma.

Technically, the US legal syatem does have the authority to prosecute claims arising from crines committed (including political acts) overseas. US Congress passed a law giving the courts that right. Not saying that is righteous or moral but a judge would be obliged to entertain cases brought under that law.

Only recourse for foreign sovreign states is to use political and diolomatic apptoaches.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 16 Jan 2015 13:27

Altair wrote:
shyam wrote:Indian defense forces could join fight against ISIS soon
Although I would love to see Indian Army setting up a date for ISIS fighters with 72 houris, I don't want folded tricolor and boxes in C-130s returning from Islamic Badlands. IAF can do sorties but boots on ground is a different story. Let the Christian crusade armies take on Islamic hordes.

Please don't react to Tehelka report as though it were a fact.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 16 Jan 2015 14:17

Passing similar laws in India and prosecuting Obomber and Bush etc in India for killing people in Af-pak is the proper responce. retaliation and not the diplomatic means etc. Relations between nations are done on reciprocal basis. Time we show some spine.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 16 Jan 2015 20:11

Relations between nations are done on reciprocal basis.

Exactly! that's why Wahabi islam should be banned in India as Indian Sampardayas are not allowed in Saudi Arabia!

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 16 Jan 2015 20:13

Pratyush wrote:Good this should take care of the house nigger phenomenon. When it comes to Indians who are speaking for America.

Please mind the language

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 16 Jan 2015 20:38

Yagnasri wrote:Passing similar laws in India and prosecuting Obomber and Bush etc in India for killing people in Af-pak is the proper responce. retaliation and not the diplomatic means etc. Relations between nations are done on reciprocal basis. Time we show some spine.

Yes, oc course that is another way, though it is a bit theoretical at this point in history.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 16 Jan 2015 20:38

LokeshC wrote: Who are these sources hain? The usual un-named sources that give info to our Journalists (who are the Pillars of Integrity, Meritocracy, Professionalism and Sobriety)?

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 16 Jan 2015 21:00

^^should go into BRF lexicon - outstanding.

Sardesai is definitely such a pillar. So is Karan Thapar.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 16 Jan 2015 22:45

Kashi wrote:
Pratyush wrote:Good this should take care of the house nigger phenomenon. When it comes to Indians who are speaking for America.
That's wishful thinking as we can see a just a few posts above

And those are "Americans" speaking for America. They may choose to speak "for" India as long as it is "congruent with American interests and policies."

What exactly is "house n**** phenomenon? Who exactly are these and in what context?

And - Can "we" point to explicitly WHICH POSTS you are referring to where "we can see this?"

Thanks in advance.

FWIW: For most, in India (and other countries) the use of "n" word is not proper in civil discussion.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 17 Jan 2015 02:25

Indians are in general, innocently unaware that there is anything wrong/demeaning about the word "n...o" (the ******** version ending in 'er" is an illiterate creation of the social stratum best described as (gora) trash. We worship Krishna, He Who Has the Color of The Monsoon Cloud, of the SalaGrama, of the Rudra-Aksha. (well.. some of us worship Mo, who was probably as Krishna as Yeso ben Ouseph ul Nazareti, that Great North African, was.

The word n...o is proper Latin/Spanish/North African description that means the same as Krishna. Surely calling someone Krishna is not demeaning? But yes, Indians do need to learn that these words bring traumatic connotations that people are trying to forget. They wish to be called, well.. Krishna, but in English, not in Spanish. "Black" which means exactly the same as 'N..o" == 'Krishna'.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 17 Jan 2015 02:58

Amber G. wrote:
What exactly is "house n**** phenomenon? Who exactly are these and in what context?

And - Can "we" point to explicitly WHICH POSTS you are referring to where "we can see this?"

Thanks in advance.

FWIW: For most, in India (and other countries) the use of "n" word is not proper in civil discussion.

Its taken from a speech by Malcolm X
http://ccnmtl.columbia.edu/projects/mmt ... mxa17.html

Most people in India use the word "n**ro" quite innocently. Most African students who come to India are referred that way (unfortunately there is a lot of "othering" going on in India as well, since we have an obsession with the white color).

The politically correct term would be "Sepoy", or one who does the dirty work for his foreign masters in exchange of some self-respect or some money.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 17 Jan 2015 03:01

shiv wrote:
LokeshC wrote: Who are these sources hain? The usual un-named sources that give info to our Journalists (who are the Pillars of Integrity, Meritocracy, Professionalism and Sobriety)?

Damn you shiv, since I got into trouble bad mouthing some journo here I had to invent such praise for them (I learned my lesson). You have exposed my trick

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 17 Jan 2015 03:08

Instead of Sepoy, we should use Gungadin to make it very clear.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 17 Jan 2015 03:44

LokeshC wrote:
Amber G. wrote:
What exactly is "house n**** phenomenon? Who exactly are these and in what context?

And - Can "we" point to explicitly WHICH POSTS you are referring to where "we can see this?"

Thanks in advance.

FWIW: For most, in India (and other countries) the use of "n" word is not proper in civil discussion.
Its taken from a speech by Malcolm X
<snip>
The politically cor<rect term would be "Sepoy", or one who does the dirty work for his foreign masters in exchange of some self-respect or some money.

My question to the poster(s) was, exactly what CONTEXT, specifically which "posts shows what they claim it shows..

As to what is "civil", and what is not, I used "FWIW" .. one can take the advice or not for I care.
What I can tell you that, from what I know the term is not used in civil forms like Brf. ("negro" BTW is not considered offensive... It is the word for "black" in Spanish (and a few other languages) just the other n- word is very offensive)

UBji - FYI (Added later)

Till recently (Oct 2014) according to US Armed Forces per (AR600-20 para. 6-2 - no I am not making it up, google it if you want), Officially it was Okay to refer Krishna like person as Krisna, as well as Negro, Haitian etc.. for more clarity.

In the document describing "race and ethnic code definitions," the regulation states: under the category "Black or African American" that would include,

"A person having origins in any of the black racial groups of Africa. Terms such as "Haitian" or "Negro" can be used in addition to "Black" or "African American."

Per CNN, IIRC, Army is going to change that policy.. and the new policy states that "Black or African-American" are the only acceptable terms.

Things you learn in Brf///

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 17 Jan 2015 03:57

Amber G, I understand why that word is offensive to most people (myself included).

N*gger specifically was the term southern whites used to call a black person and that is a uniquely American term with a heavy historical baggage. It might be offputting to Amrikan lurkers and posters here without a doubt.

Negro is considered offensive in the USofA. No one I know will ever use that term to ever refer to a black person. It is still a loaded word in the USofA but not in most other countries.

These two words are symbols of slavery.

Having said all that, the poster (Pratyush) was referring to Bobby Jindal.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 17 Jan 2015 04:07

ramana wrote:Eventually it is to pave the way to provide drones to TSP.

sign with baba with a clause that disables the drones once it crosses yellow sea. if any drone found dead on indian soil, liquidated damges, security infringement damges, blah blah in mean terms as the massans would like it so!

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 17 Jan 2015 04:12

Amber G. wrote:
Kashi wrote:
That's wishful thinking as we can see a just a few posts above

And those are "Americans" speaking for America. They may choose to speak "for" India as long as it is "congruent with American interests and policies."
What exactly is "house n**** phenomenon? Who exactly are these and in what context?

And - Can "we" point to explicitly WHICH POSTS you are referring to where "we can see this?"

Thanks in advance.

FWIW: For most, in India (and other countries) the use of "n" word is not proper in civil discussion.

Calling some one Negro/nigger by itself is offensive. By the way Indians are also niggers in some places.

However, house negro and field negro are common usages to refer to people who are servile or not-servile to whites.

Recent movie The Butler shows the contrast of house negro and field negro.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 17 Jan 2015 04:15

If I have to use that term I use : House Slave. (conveys the same thing).

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 17 Jan 2015 04:16

Amber G. wrote:What exactly is "house n**** phenomenon? Who exactly are these and in what context?

And - Can "we" point to explicitly WHICH POSTS you are referring to where "we can see this?"

Thanks in advance.

FWIW: For most, in India (and other countries) the use of "n" word is not proper in civil discussion.

I should have been more explicit in my post. I do not condone the use of the term "nigger". My reference was to that bit about "when it comes to Indians who are speaking for America."

I only pointed out that it was unlikely because
a. Despite all the US shenanigans we STILL have "Indians" continue to speak for US, and to be fair in most cases they are US citizens of Indian origin.

b. Those "Indians" within India who take such a stance, will continue to do so, since that is all they have ever done and this will only intensify as long as Narendra Modi is the PM

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 17 Jan 2015 04:44

Negro has a wikipedia entry as well. One important point is that it has been made a "bad" word by that paragon of non-violence Macolm X but Dr. MLK - arguably one true Gandhian, who was able to get Afircan-Americans the same legal status as the whites and probably had done lot more for their cause than several other black leaders since then, was not averse to the word.

Wikipedia wrote:The word "Negro" is used in the English-speaking world to refer to a person of black ancestry or appearance. Negro denotes "black" in Spanish and Portuguese, derived from the ancient Latin word, niger, "black", which itself is probably from a Proto-Indo-European root *nekw-, "to be dark", akin to *nokw-, "night".[1][2]

"Negro" superseded "colored" as the most polite terminology at a time when "black" was more offensive.[3] This usage was accepted as normal, including by people classified as Negroes, until the later Civil Rights movement in the late 1960s. One well-known example is the identification by Martin Luther King, Jr. of his own race as "Negro" in his famous 1963 speech I Have a Dream.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 17 Jan 2015 05:13

MLK was good cop. Malcolm X was bad cop.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 17 Jan 2015 05:19

Malcolm X has had a huge effect despite what is commonly believed.

He subscribed to justified violence and there was a movement of a lot of blacks in that direction, which obviously scared a lot of whites. The "Gun Control" people owe their legal heritage to racist gun control laws that were put in place specifically to avoid blacks getting access to guns.

A similar phenomenon happened when Ombaba got into power (record gun sales to you know who), since they were afraid that the "Gun Control" law would now be applied everywhere equally (communist style).

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 17 Jan 2015 05:38

How is Spike Lee's movie historical authenticity wise? I haven't seen the movie but Spike Lee is supposed to be a very good diro.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 17 Jan 2015 06:53

Kashi wrote:
Amber G. wrote:What exactly is "house n**** phenomenon? Who exactly are these and in what context?

And - Can "we" point to explicitly WHICH POSTS you are referring to where "we can see this?"

Thanks in advance.

FWIW: For most, in India (and other countries) the use of "n" word is not proper in civil discussion.
I should have been more explicit in my post. I do not condone the use of the term "nigger". My reference was to that bit about "when it comes to Indians who are speaking for America."

I only pointed out that it was unlikely because
a. Despite all the US shenanigans we STILL have "Indians" continue to speak for US, and to be fair in most cases they are US citizens of Indian origin.

b. Those "Indians" within India who take such a stance, will continue to do so, since that is all they have ever done and this will only intensify as long as Narendra Modi is the PM

Are Jewish Americans 'House 'Ki#e$' '? when they speak for America? Are German Americans (Eisenhower et al) 'House 'K%aut@'' ?

Why place a special burden on Indo-Americans?

The diaspora is hugely valuable even if it does not fit your narrow worldview. Think it through.

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 17 Jan 2015 08:20

Cosmo_R wrote:Are Jewish Americans 'House 'Ki#e$' '? when they speak for America? Are German Americans (Eisenhower et al) 'House 'K%aut@'' ?

Why place a special burden on Indo-Americans?

The diaspora is hugely valuable even if it does not fit your narrow worldview. Think it through.

Looks like I touched a nerve there.

No one is placing a burden on anyone else. American citizens of Indian origin are free to peddle American point of view and bat for American interests even if they conflict with Indian ones.

Likewise, INDIAN citizens are free to put forth and support arguments that favour Indian point of view, irrespective of how many "burdens" it places on citizens of another country.

The diaspora is an amorphous entity which is not exclusively confined to "Indo-Americans" (whatever that means), as per your "worldview" and they do not need a certification from you for others to realise how valuable they are. Think about it.

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 17 Jan 2015 08:35

Also, where was this diaspora when DK was arrested in New York? When the daughter of a consular official was arrested and released without a word of regret? When some (Indian American?) dude went and filed a useless case against two sitting Indian PMs coinciding with their visit? When the Bhopal case was thrown out? When a former President was frisked in violation of protocol?

To their credit, Jewish Americans are effective in shaping US foreign policy to benefit Israel. Can we say the same of Indian Americans? Indian Americans are represented by the likes of Bobby Jindal, Nikki Haley and of course, the great hero from Manhattan, Mr. Bharara, who don't think twice before dropping their heritage and/or changing their culture so as to gain acceptability in the US. The abbreviation MUTU or MATA comes to mind.

American policy was and continues to be indifferent towards India at best, and overtly pro-Paki and anti-India at worst, Ombaba's visit not withstanding. Valuable indeed.

Having said that, I don't subscribe to using derogatory adjectives to describe anyone.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 17 Jan 2015 08:35

pankajs wrote:This time it happens to a US company patent ...

http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/cnbc-t ... 75730.html
Patent denied on Gileads Hepatitis C drug Sovaldi
It's the controversial anti-evergreening patent law at work again. In what came as a shock to US biotech giant Gilead, the Indian Patent Office denied a patent for its blockbuster Hepatitis C drug Sovaldi, citing lack of invention. The order shakes the global pharma industry and opens up a legal can of worms.
...
Indian drug maker Natco and patient aid group I-MAK (Initiative for Medicines, Access &Knowledge) entity had filed pre-grant opposition saying the base compound, chemical name Sofosbuvir, is not inventive enough as compared to a previous known formulation.
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Tahir Amin, lawyer and Director, I-MAK in a statement said, "The bottom line here is that India's patent law doesn't give monopolies for old science, for compounds that are already in the public domain. Gilead's strategy of charging as much as USD 84,000 per treatment for a drug that is predicted to be simple and cheap to produce, and is now un-patentable in India, has been exposed for what it is - seeking to squeeze as much profit out of the sick as possible."
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Section 3(d) of the Indian Patent Act bars patents on different versions of a known compound, saying that such inventions are patentable only if "they differ significantly in properties with regard to efficacy."
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Gilead is expected to appeal against the order and this will certainly turn into a heated patent battle, one that the whole world will be closely watching.

Some background on sofosbuvir- some experts are saying it is a blockbuster drug revolutionizing hepatitis care.
Has very good results in trials curing viral hepatitis in upwards of 90% with minimal side effects.

Very expensive .
Due to this drug NY state has mandated every patient in middle age be screened for it. Patients have to be offered the option of getting it done. We have to document it.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 17 Jan 2015 08:56

LokeshC wrote:Negro is considered offensive in the USofA. No one I know will ever use that term to ever refer to a black person. It is still a loaded word in the USofA but not in most other countries.

These two words are symbols of slavery.

Having said all that, the poster (Pratyush) was referring to Bobby Jindal.

Again from what I know, and seen, the uses changes.. As someone pointed out at some time (I remember in 60's 70's) "Black" was more offensive that "Negro".

MLK in his speech used the term, and there is, just to give one example, United Negro Fund.

The term is less used now than before..

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 17 Jan 2015 09:07

OT, but "negro" is not considered offensive in Spain and in Central and South America- I have comes across a few research papers (biology) with an author with the family name "Negro".

The term is deemed offensive in English speaking countries. We saw an example of that in the recent English kangaroo court involving Luis Suarez.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 17 Jan 2015 09:41

Kashi wrote:OT, but "negro" is not considered offensive in Spain and in Central and South America- I have comes across a few research papers (biology) with an author with the family name "Negro".

The term is deemed offensive in English speaking countries. We saw an example of that in the recent English kangaroo court involving Luis Suarez.

Negro = Black Blanco = White rojo = red, they are just words for colors. Nothing offensive in them per se.

When the word is directed at person with some malintent it is offensive. I was watching watching some show where that word was used heavily to discuss black history and black stories and social relations. It is not offensive if it is used as subject of study.

It is like psecs made Hindutva word offensive that some Indians try to hide due to their low self-esteem.