Levant crisis - III

Bhurishravas · Post by **Bhurishravas** » 08 Oct 2016 03:30

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-midea ... SKCN1270X0

Turkey says Shi'ite role in Iraq's Mosul battle will 'increase problems'

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 08 Oct 2016 06:08

Obama wont wade into this swamp. Hillary might

So aleppo capture window is 2 months

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 08 Oct 2016 06:26

Us turkey combine has put to work all their aq boys led by ahrar al sham to kill the is allied jund al aqsa in idlib and hama. Executing prisoners on both sides and taking over bases and checkpoints

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 08 Oct 2016 06:43

Wonder who shot down the Turkish F16.

Y. Kanan · Post by **Y. Kanan** » 08 Oct 2016 08:17

TSJones wrote:the sword cuts both ways.......if the russians/syrians start shooting at US planes then something will be done about it.

so they can arm themselves with all the SAM's all they want but once the first shot is fired they will get to show how bad a$$ their tech is.....or most likely *isn't.*

if you think wild weasels haven't been studying and practicing then you might want rethink it over. I mean right down to simulating the same radar and tactics. how many f-22s have the russkis practiced on when the f-22s weren't wearing their radar reflection luneburg lens?

What are you so proud of smartass? That your govt backs muslim extremists? You don't care about the thousands of your "countrymen" that already died at the hands of these savages that you're so eager to start WW3 over? This is a war of civilizations and you're on the wrong side. What you really need is a military coup to take all your Islamist-loving politicians and shoot them dead like the traitorous scum they are.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 08 Oct 2016 08:32

Saker: If US Attacks Syria Expect an Asymmetric Russian Response

http://russia-insider.com/en/russian-op ... ia/ri16870

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 08 Oct 2016 08:59

ASIR, SAUDI ARABIA (2:00 A.M.) - The Houthi forces fired a Qahir-1 ballistic missile at the Al-Faysal Military Base in the Saudi Arabian province of Asir on Friday night, scoring a direct hit on this imperative installation.

According to the Yemeni Republican Guard's official media wing, the Houthi forces launched the Qahir-1 missile at night, targeting the Al-Faysal Military Base that is located in the village of Khamees Masheet, which is located in the Asir Province.

The Republican Guard's media wing added that the entire military base went up in flames, killing several Saudi soldiers and Hadi loyalists in the process.

The Qaher-1 ballistic missile is modified version of Russian SAM-2 missile, which is used to hit ground targets with its 200kg of explosives.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 08 Oct 2016 08:59

They also attacked a saud uae occupied island in bab el mandab with uragan rockets from the mainland

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 08 Oct 2016 09:01

Khamis mushayt is a major saudi city and airbase iirc

habal · Post by **habal** » 08 Oct 2016 10:07

TSJones wrote:the sword cuts both ways.......if the russians/syrians start shooting at US planes then something will be done about it.

so they can arm themselves with all the SAM's all they want but once the first shot is fired they will get to show how bad a$$ their tech is.....or most likely *isn't.*

if you think wild weasels haven't been studying and practicing then you might want rethink it over. I mean right down to simulating the same radar and tactics. how many f-22s have the russkis practiced on when the f-22s weren't wearing their radar reflection luneburg lens?

One nuke on London and one on New York, end of Syrian war.

all the studying and practicing will come to naught then.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 08 Oct 2016 10:42

^This is like Paki threat of using tactical nukes even if a BSF soldier sneezes on LOC. There are a number of stops in the escalation path from SU getting shot down in SYria to launching nukes on the west. Besides why will Russia risk its interests for a tribal war in the middle east.

TSJ is right, Russians will come off second best if bullets start flying in Syria. Only way Russians can hold them off is to extend the front to the Baltics or the Caucasus.

LokeshC · Post by **LokeshC** » 08 Oct 2016 10:50

In such wars, it is not the technology or the nocoolar bum that matters. What matters is solely one thing, which would be the amount geopolitical investment each side has in these hostilities. What is the price they are willing to pay, can they stomach their kids coming home in body bags in large numbers? Can they absorb the secondary effect of PTSD that their soldiers are guaranteed to end up with.

Even with BXXXX, F-XXXXX what happened in Vietnam and Eyeraq?

Using technology or noocollaar bum is just to show how big each others shafts are. Like a cat arching its back when its spots a hostile dog approaching. Simplistic thinking, to say the least.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 08 Oct 2016 11:06

Paul wrote:^This is like Paki threat of using tactical nukes even if a BSF soldier sneezes on LOC. There are a number of stops in the escalation path from SU getting shot down in SYria to launching nukes on the west. Besides why will Russia risk its interests for a tribal war in the middle east.

TSJ is right, Russians will come off second best if bullets start flying in Syria. Only way Russians can hold them off is to extend the front to the Baltics or the Caucasus.

The Russians and Iranians and Hizb hold the ground in Syria , irrespective if Asad is there or not and US has no control over either the FSA or the terrorist there.

Like all good terrorist they are now pretty much out of control of their master hence US could not keep to its agreement on Allepo , All the US can do now is to do something that helps this terrorist and try to dislodge Assad.

This is classic Libya redux just more deadly , Will remove Gadaffi out of power and later we will see how we can form a government.

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 08 Oct 2016 12:07

habal wrote:
TSJones wrote:the sword cuts both ways.......if the russians/syrians start shooting at US planes then something will be done about it.

so they can arm themselves with all the SAM's all they want but once the first shot is fired they will get to show how bad a$$ their tech is.....or most likely *isn't.*

if you think wild weasels haven't been studying and practicing then you might want rethink it over. I mean right down to simulating the same radar and tactics. how many f-22s have the russkis practiced on when the f-22s weren't wearing their radar reflection luneburg lens?
One nuke on London and one on New York, end of Syrian war.

all the studying and practicing will come to naught then.

glad to see the Hindu terrorist is still advocating the bombing of civilians in the US and London.

one wonders what LokeshC, the social justice warrior(SJW) who lives in Montana thinks about nuking all those minorities in NYC at the advocacy of a Hindu terrorist??

I also wonder what Preet Bhara who works in NYC would think about all of this? I hear he is really a nice guy and kinda laid back. I think his favorite hobby is spelunking while using latex gloves and a flashlight.

LokeshC · Post by **LokeshC** » 08 Oct 2016 12:20

Keep wondering, I have always envied people who could. Those who keep rolling those one (or two) marbles up in their heads and wonder about how this world works. Live long and prosper TSJ. May the marbles be with you! (Star Trek and Star Wars in a single para, justice for all

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Paul · Post by **Paul** » 08 Oct 2016 12:30

A face off between Russia and US over Syria will not be dissimilar to the SYrian Israeli air war over South Lebanon in 1982 where Syrian MIGs faced Israeli F16s and F15s. The Israelis got involved when they were threatened by Syrian SAM missiles, The situation has some parallels to Syria today. The result may not be very different....If the Americans limit their involvement to air war.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 08 Oct 2016 13:37

amrika has much more fighting assets in the region...but its all about raising the potential cost and staying cool at the card table.

a couple of awacs and another squadron of flankers could be flown in at short notice and few more islander-M/GLCM batteries marked with the cloverleaf symbol.

also turkey has started to drift away from american into russo-iranian orbit .... its historical role as a bottle cork to keep the russians contained in the black sea may be open to question once Erdoganji is done with his "moscow pivot" and purging ever more number of alleged kemalists, gulenists and NATO agitprop spies and counter revolutionaries

Putin is visiting ankara in a weeks time to cement this new 'partnership'

if the americans attack assad, it will create trouble for them in iraq also with the PMU and its iranian contacts ... the PMU has sent 2nd line units with basic training to fight with the assadists in aleppo mainly because they are busy in iraq itself and preparing for mosul, but that can change ...

even in current or future POTUS is not willing to wade in, there are factions within the MILIND complex, CIA , SD, Pentagon each playing their own sides and games in the region and could trigger crises deliberately ... the faction which is operating in Iraq + helping the SDF-YPG looks to be the most sane of the lot. the rest vary from chronic cold warriors (like a certain member here...) , to anarchists to cats paws of the GCC.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 08 Oct 2016 13:52

even TSP "holds India at bay" with 1/7 of our economy and perhaps 1/5 of our strike power

LokeshC · Post by **LokeshC** » 08 Oct 2016 13:55

Guts decide wars..... technology is only a tool.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 08 Oct 2016 13:56

Assad's boys just defeated China in the World Cup Soccer qualifiers,sending the PRC into acute shock.Read details in the China td. It should be a great morale booster to his troops in the field!

Bhurishravas · Post by **Bhurishravas** » 08 Oct 2016 14:22

UlanBatori wrote:Wonder who shot down the Turkish F16.

Was a plane shot down at all?! Or is it another of those numerous propaganda things pasted on this thread.
Can someone provide a link?

Thanks in advance.

Bhurishravas · Post by **Bhurishravas** » 08 Oct 2016 14:29

Moscow was declaring some months ago that Turkey was helping ISIS and Erdogan`s family was directly earning profits from oil trade with ISIS. Now Putin talks on phone with Erdogan every weekend.
It is kind of rich for roos lovers to accuse US of supporting terrorists now.
Is hamaam mein sabhi .... hain !!!

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 08 Oct 2016 14:39

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... john-kerry

Kerry asks Ru-Sy to be investigated and punished for war crimes. Either it is a pressure tactics or getting UN on side for a formal declaration of military attack on Ru assets in ME.
Regarding war crime charges--what about toppling Iraq regime and sending that country to stone age back, in name of hunt for WMD? No war crime?

Bhurishravas · Post by **Bhurishravas** » 08 Oct 2016 14:46

^^ Posturing by US govt to please Saudis and Turks. Obama is the first non-warmongering president of US in decades. He is unlikely to wade into any military conflict in Syria.
He was under tremendous pressure during the chemical weapons propaganda drama but resisted the urge.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 08 Oct 2016 14:47

The disintegration of diplomatic talks with Russia has left the Obama administration with an array of bad options for what to do next in Syria.
Despite harrowing scenes of violence in Aleppo and beyond, President Barack Obama is unlikely to approve any dramatic shift in strategy before handing the civil war over to his successor early next year.
The options under discussion at the White House — limited military strikes, sanctions, more weapons for rebels, multi-party talks — have one thing in common: None appears likely to halt the bloodshed in the short-term. The more aggressive proposals come with the added risk of pulling the U.S. into direct military confrontation with Russia, a threat illuminated by a string of recent taunts from Moscow.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/art ... z4MU2P0jsz

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 08 Oct 2016 14:51

Other Russian officials used the occasion to speculate that Moscow might be thinking of reopening its former bases in Cuba and Vietnam, an idea already floated in the past by President Vladimir Putin.

http://www.euronews.com/2016/10/07/russ ... e-in-syria

A Su 24 at a Syrian airbase.
https://www.rt.com/news/361976-russia-s ... unlimited/

Russian MPs back unlimited deployment of Air Force in Syria

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 08 Oct 2016 14:54

Russia has its permanent air base in Syria. Now it’s looking at Cuba and Vietnam.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... d-vietnam/

while Ru is rubbing salt into US bruises, later looks clueless regarding how to inflict '1000 cuts' on Ru.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 08 Oct 2016 14:58

saudis seem quite eager to fish in syrian waters, despite being in trouble on their own southern border.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 08 Oct 2016 15:08

https://southfront.org/pkk-fighters-dow ... q-reports/

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 08 Oct 2016 15:20

US has little appetite for war unless US is ready to put troops on ground , The Jihadis are out of US control admitted by Kerry himself and no general can fight a war unless they have their soldiers under control. The Hizb , Iran backed militia and SAA are far more disciplined and under their respective head control. In the end it is a fight for their basic survival and not some grand game plan for the Shiah which is what the Sunni/GCC cause is.

The next US president not only has to inherit the utterly complex Syria issue but a far more serious situation in their economy which all but under recession ....Obama has done every thing possible to make a good legacy of his presidency but that would leave the next one with myrid of problems and neither Hillary or Turmp has the leadership of Ronald Regan to solve these ,yes they can make it worse though.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 08 Oct 2016 15:30

IndraD wrote:Russia has its permanent air base in Syria. Now it’s looking at Cuba and Vietnam.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... d-vietnam/

while Ru is rubbing salt into US bruises, later looks clueless regarding how to inflict '1000 cuts' on Ru.

The idea to set up base in Cuba and Vietnam has been in works for long atleast since 2010 , Both counties have infact invited Russia to set up their presence and Rus Ships frequently visit Cuba and berth at their ports for long time and Vietnam is a long term buyer of Russia arms and treats Russia presense as stabilisng factor against China

There are couple of other countries Rus is in talk with for Replenishment and Berthing facilities similar to LEMOA that India US has.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 08 Oct 2016 16:09

this is very complex! Vietnam is buyer of Ru arms and at the same time, Cheen and Vietnam are at loggerheads re SCS. Ru & Cheen may form some sort of alliance to checkmate US in ME.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 08 Oct 2016 16:14

IndraD wrote:this is very complex! Vietnam is buyer of Ru arms and at the same time, Cheen and Vietnam are at loggerheads re SCS. Ru & Cheen may form some sort of alliance to checkmate US in ME.

Cheen is comfortable with Rus presense in South china sea or Vietnam , Cheen never complained to Rus on arms sale to Vietnam , that is why I said Vietnam feels Rus presense as stabilising factor in the region as all parties are comfortable unlike US presence.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 08 Oct 2016 16:16

Found a good term for Moderate Jihadist on internet " Coalition of Moderate Islamist Beheaders "

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 08 Oct 2016 16:43

Kerry asks Ru-Sy to be investigated and punished for war crimes.

Interesting. Note that COTUS has recently overridden the Al-Obamic Veto of a bill to allow US citjens to sue KSA etc for damages. So same can be done by nations elsewhere citing "precedent" - I mean sue the US, citing the precedent in US law.

First lawsuit claims that the regime of KSA helped the 9/11/2001 ~~terrorists.~~ Moderate Islamic Beheaders

"Without the help and funding from Saudi Arabia, these attacks could not have been made".

Now about those small incidents in Iraq, Syria, Libya, Serbia, Jammu-Kashmir, Mumbai, Bangalore, Mumbai, Uri, Pathankot, Mumbai..
Kissinger, Dubya, Rumsfeld, Clinton, Kerry all come to mind.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 08 Oct 2016 16:48

Wikileaks Clinton Syria NFZ position https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/784525764595187714

Hillary Clinton's #Syria No Fly Zone will require 'boots on ground' #Turkey #ISIS #PodestaEmails https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 08 Oct 2016 17:11

Bhurishravas wrote:
UlanBatori wrote:Wonder who shot down the Turkish F16.
Was a plane shot down at all?! Or is it another of those numerous propaganda things pasted on this thread.
Can someone provide a link?
Thanks in advance.

Ah! The report quotes

ANF reports that F-16 Turkish jet shot down over Qandil mountains, Kurdistan.

Now ASS confirms that.

Links provided** too!

1) https://southfront.org/pkk-fighters-dow ... q-reports/
2) http://en.news-original.ru/in-iraq-shot ... craft.html
3) http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5e8_1475789771

Still looking for confirmation from Kilary Hilton's State IT Department and Clinton Noise Nutwerks (CNN) and Tony Bliar's Brishit Bliars Corporation
** Took about 5 seconds to find those, once I remembered to add "PKK" to the search term. You can do it too! Trust me!

Bhurishravas · Post by **Bhurishravas** » 08 Oct 2016 17:21

Still looking for confirmation from Kilary Hilton's State IT Department and Clinton Noise Nutwerks (CNN)

RT would have sufficed. Russia has got radars there. They would know.
Some tweet from some reports by some media sources doesnt look that credible.

Bhurishravas · Post by **Bhurishravas** » 08 Oct 2016 17:31

http://www.iraqinews.com/arab-world-new ... qi-border/

Dogan said that “Turkey has stepped up air reconnaissance significantly in the areas with the presence of our troops,” pointing out that “we have shot down several Turkish spy planes over the past period.”

According to flimsy sources and PKK spokespersons, they have shot down many a turkish planes in the past too.
Google throws all kinds of results. I can wait for something credible.
Thanks.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 08 Oct 2016 18:46

And what would that be? Western msm has no interest and turkish press has been put under erdoganist boots.