Since 5000 BC and maybe even before, the religion has been the BIGGEST profit making business and MOST important tool to influence politics and thus protect monopolies in mining, trade, industry etc. And we all know --- real profits come from monopoly and not from non-monopoly businesses. And monopoly , be good or bad, can come only from legal/police/military aka political protection. So the MNC-owners and Missionaries were always aligned and they are aligned even today.nageshks : The tactics of the British had *always* been far softer and far gentler when it came to conversion of the infidels when compared to the tactics of the Spaniards or the Portuguese. The British were always interested in more and more profits (something that the Dutch also did). However, their tactics of trying to convert the Hindus was never ever in any doubt and in fact, after 1860, the government, the mercantile interests, and the missionaries were far more aligned than at any other time. Your theory that the British MNCs and the missionaries were not aligned falls flat on its face. Can you provide any evidence that the British missionaries disagreed with what their merchants were doing?
After 1860, MNC-owners in India asked Missionaries to go slow because (1) conversion can cause backlash in locals (2) rebels may get weapons from Germans, French, Russians and grow strong. In absence of (2), MNC-owners were worried about (1) at all. It was (2) that was critical to them.
During 1857, Maratha artillery was managed by French. French had even setup factories to make cannons in Delhi. Aside (1) Afghan Pathans in 1800s defeated British only because they got cannons and later guns from Russians. (2) Umar Mukhtar of Libya was able to fight against Italians only because he was getting guns from British from Egypt .
So across the third world, the rebels were getting weapons from one or another western power. So though British won 1860, they always feared that too much haste in conversion can cause backlash and if backlash gets weapons from other western countries, then rebels can become too powerful to subdue. So after 1860, they asked Missionaries to go slow. The FIRST change was that British stopped mixing cow/pig tallow in bullets. And they started allowing Hindu/Muslim priests in baracks to perform rites to give spiritual counseling for Indian soldiers. And many heavy handed methods ended.
But come 2015, no Western power will give any weapons to local rebellions. The Western powers have formed NATO and MNCs in which elitemen from all countries have shares. And when one western country loots, he gives shares to all. eg when USA looted Iraq oil, UK, France, Germany, Netherlands etc all got share in the loot. Likewise, when USA loots Indian mineral mines after coming USA-India war, all western countries will get a share. So when India will face any problem against USA , no country will come to give weapons.
(Aside example : Forget rebellions, during Kargil war, we needed laser guided bombs to bomb the bunkers on mountain tops. And even Russia refused to sell LGBs !! And only after ABV accepted defeat before Clinton , USA asked France to sell laser guided bombs to India. And USA = France refused to let us use laser guided on point-5353, which is why point-5353 is still under Pakistani occupation. The French have activation codes for laser guided bombs they have sold to us and so we can use them only after French approves it. )
So now MNC-owners arent worried about local backlash anymore. The locals' backlash wont get advanced weapons. And without weapons, the backlash can be crushed easily.
Also, as I explained later, the new methods used by MNC-owners and Missionaries for conversion in India and much of third world is following
1. Bribe Ministers, destroy education in govt schools - so poor will run for Missionary schools
2. Bribe Ministers, destroy health care in govt hospitals, make medicines and health care expensive, and so poor will run for Missionary run clinics. Missionaries get medicine for free from MNC-owners. eg cancer injection which cost Rs 10000 are being given free by missionaries across India, but only to the "harvested souls".
Since no violence or heavy hand will be used by Missionaries. So a direct backlash wont crystallize into something big. And small backlash here and the backlash wont get much legitimacy or strength, and would get suppressed. eg there was backlash against Missionaries in Kandhamal , Orissa. But it got suppressed.
The help was offered by French, Germans etc to British to get their troops inside India using British logistics. But once French and German troops are in and make local bases, they can very well fight against British to capture the territory away from British. And thats why British didnt take their help. For that matter, if French were interested in helping British in 1857, they could have simply stopped helping Maratha. Each Western power was worried about other western power and there was no trust. They were always back-stabbing each others using all possible means, and biggest means was to use locals against other western power. eg British used Omar Mukhatar against Italians. Russians in 1800s used Pathans against British. And back then, USA was also enemy was UK.nageshks : Who were the British worried about between 1860 and 1900? In the First War of Indian independence, France, Netherlands, and Prussia offered help to the British in slaughtering the Indians (it is another matter that the British did not accept). All interests in Europe were intent on keeping India crushed. In fact, in the aftermath of the collapse of the First War of Independence, there were more calls from Prussia, and France to commit genocide in India. If the British had decided to forcibly convert Indians, they would have found a lot of support among the other Europeans.
Rahul Mehta: Also, this time, Missionaries will NOT use any force to convert. MNC-owners will bribe education ministers to ruin govt schools. That will force poor to send kids to Missionary schools. MNC-owners will push of policies that will make medicine prices will go 5 times. This will make poor run to Missionary hospitals. And MNC-owners will bribe Ministers to hand over all temple wealth to Missionaries. QED. No force.
nageshks : This is so disgustingly contemptuous of Indians that it shocks me that any Indian can harbour such disdain for his compatriots. Why have your MNCs not already done it if it is so easy? And if they cannot do it under Manmohan Singh, why would they be able to do it under Modi? Finally, if every minister has already been bought and paid for, then India is doomed, Modi or no Modi
You call education minister Kapil Sabil a "compatriot"? I dont call him my compatriot.
The MNC-owners are already doing it. The education ministers across India are being bribed since 1990s to weaken maths\science education in all govt schools many ways. And so poor are running towards missionary schools. And by bribing MPs and Ministers, health care costs have been increased to sky-high which has made poor across India (including NaMonagar aka Ahmedabad no-longer-known-as Karnavati) run towards Missionary clinics. In addition, MNC-owners are bribing Ministers and judges to make laws more and more pro-money-lender. So money-lenders across India have become bigger and bigger leeches. This has also made poor run towards Missionary run credit-unions which lend money at 2% per month. (The Indian money lenders charge 4% to 10% per month)
nageshks : Finally, if every minister has already been bought and paid for, then India is doomed, Modi or no Modi
Yes . NaMo or no NaMo, we are doomed. Thats exactly what I had tried convincing LKA-bhagats from jan-2008 to may-2009 and now I am trying to convince NaMo-bhagats . That our enemies --- namely MNC-owners and Missionaries are 1000 times stronger than LKA\NaMo. We need to spend time in replicating US laws in India so that India can become as strong as USA and can fight against MNC-owners and Missionaries. But LKA-bhagats from jan-2008 to may-2009 insisted that we must not "waste" even 1/10th time in improving laws of India and every second must be spent for LKA-bhakti. After may-2009 till may-2012, they insisted in spending all time in mourning and crying. And since may-2012 till now, they have been insisting on "waste no minutes in law-improving and spend all seconds in NaMo-bhakti".
MNC-owners have won 1000 battles in India. Just because they lose one Posco battle, it doesnt mean anything. Also Posco is South Korean company, and could be still wholly or partially Buddhist owned. The Supreme judges are loyal to British (now American) elitemen and Missionaries, and some judges are loyal to Saudies. They are NOT loyal to other elite such as SoKo-elitemen or Chinese-elitemen . And so it is possible that Supreme judges at the order of American-elitemen didnt allow Posco. Otherwise, Supreme judges giving a damn about tribals is only a fairy tale. For that matter, another MNC Salem lost in West Bengal because Salem was Chinese\Muslim owned and USA didnt want Salem to come into India. Salem losing doesnt mean that we Indians are now more powerful than MNCs.nageshks : Conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory, with not an ounce of any evidence. Let me ask you one simple counter question. Why has POSCO still not got clearance, if MNCs are so powerful? Surely, they should be able to brush aside a bunch of tribals?
Admins have told me not to write about SMS here . So please see my post in the SMS thread.Rahul Mehta : Many believed till 2-oct that RSS\NaMo will never dump Tridevalaya issue. And even when Sb4D statement came, and I told them, that the only reason behind making Sb4D statement is to dumpt Tridevalaya, they did NOT believe me, till Amit Shah himself made it clear in TV-interview that Tridevalaya issue will not there at all. And I never said that that "NaMo will convert all Hindus to Christians". What I am saying is that NaMo will end up making India dependent on FDI = MNC-owners, and that will lead to wholesale Christianization after 10-20 years.
nageshks So - what is your solution? Send more SMS? Make Rahul Mehta the prime minister?
No . I am only part of "common sense". In fact, I didnt know what GlobalResearch was. I googled after you told me, and found that it is just a front by MNC-owners to misguide people !! The first article I read on GlobalResearch was "global elite dominate using banking system". What a baloney !! The Global-elitemen dominate due to weapon-making factories , NOT because some 2 bit banking system. IOW, GlobalResearch is only meant to take focus away from the FACT that global-elite is dominating due to raw weapons. Anyway, I have nothing to do with GlobalResearch.Rahul mehta : .... India's final war with USA
nageshks : Final war against Americans!!!! Well, you can leave me out of your war.
Rahul mehta : It is not my war. And when war choses you, you may not unchose war. Death, taxes and wars always come. If you think that USA will stop devoring countries after it has broken China, you will be very surprised. Because the day USA manages to break China, next day it will break India. And at that time, if all our weapon factories are running on FDI, then none of their weapons will work. Now USA may win that war without firing a gunshot, just as USA won Kargil war without firing a bullet from US guns. (Yes, Kargil war was unleashed by USA on India with Pakistan as proxy to teach ABV a lesson for doing Pokharan-2 against orders of USA). But war with USA will surely come.
nageshks Are you part of GlobalResearch?
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@ramana , RajeshA, @all ,
I agree with you on RJB-Devalaya. But you forgot to mention Krishna Janam Bhoomi Devalaya and Kashi Vishvanath Devalaya. Pls do comment on all Tridevalaya. Also, pls do comment on renaming Ahmedabad to Karnavati and Aurgabad to Sambhajinagar. Many RSSians till 2002 used to tell me about fiery speeches NaMo used to give on renaming Ahmedabad to Karnavati !! They dont, after I told them that 13-day ABV Govt did NOT pass that proposal. And Gujarat Govt NEVER re-asked Central Govt to rename Ahmedabad to Karnavati after asking once in 1993 !! And NaMo as CM never sent any reminder to Central Govt on status of Central Govt's action on renaming proposal.ramana: My reply: Article 370, uniform civil code and Ram temple at Ayodhya along with foreign and economic policies ...
Ram temple in Ayodhya is about reclaiming the nation from the colonists. It is same as renaming cities or any other cultural reclamations. .... On economic policy Modi has already stated he is for equal growth for all citizens.
RajeshA: Ram Janambhumi is a clear cut case of an outsider Babar invading India and his general Mir Baqi destroying a Hindu temple and building a Mosque there. .... There is simply no reason for showing any sympathy to such a "mosque"! In fact RJB is not even a Hindu-Muslim issue, but an Indian-Invader issue.
And I request ALL to refer RJB, KJB, and KV as RJB-Devalaya, KJB-Devalaya and KV-Devalaya respectively. Please use FULL the word "Devayala" in full and never use letter "D" for Devalaya , except in Sb4D case only.
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BTW, FYI, BJP had already ditched Krishna Janam Bhoomi Devalaya and Kashi Vishvanath Devalaya issues in 1999 itself. Pls see PDFs of 1999-manifesto, 2004-manifesto and 2009-manifesto. They only talk about RJB-devalaya and DO NOT even mention Krishna Janam Bhoomi Devalaya and Kashi Vishvanath Devalaya !!! And rumor is that this time, BJP-apex and RSS-apex has asked all BJP-leaders to dump RJB-Devalaya issue as well. The instruction is that RJB-Devalaya issue must not be raised, and if adversary raises it, then downplay it by raising so called "development" issue.
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Congress may try to organize debate between Bianca Ghandy, NaMo and AK. Only middle class will watch that debate. So Congress has nothing to lose, as middle isnt going to vote for Congress anyway. But NaMo may lose many votes to AK. AK already got about 5% to 10% of e-Votes on India Today. And his votes in netizens will increase. Thanks to MNC-paid mediamen's hyper-coverage, AK will get about 15% votes in Delhi. This will bring him < 5 seats, but will make him national figure. And sponsors of AK will soon challenge NaMo for debate with AK or ask NaMo to give MP-tickets to MNC-puppets. Solution? I will post in my facebook post later tomorrow.
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A semi-mis-leading picture. The REAL dynasty-raj in India is in judiciary not politics or even Congress. The British appointed their key puppets apex levels in Congress, RBI and Supreme\High Courts. Of this, they lost Congress by 1972, later also lost RBI, but judiciary remained loyal to them for long time. They lost Congress due to process of election and lost RBI as RBI is under PM. But "judges appoint judges" so judiciary remained loyal to British (and later American) elitemen. Later MNC-owners regained Congress and RBI both in 1991, because Indian nationalists between 1972-1991 acted in very inefficient ways. After 1972, Saudies managed to buy a big political space in India. Between 1947-1991, USSR also bought a lot of space in Indian polity, judiciary etc, But USSR lost almost everything they owned by 1991.
From Facebook: Indian Army Fans: Ruling clans of India
Anyway, now dynasty-raj in Congress is passe, as WHOLE Congress-apex is now MNC-owned. The dynasties in Congress are like kings of India in 1860-1950 . They were king of name-sake only. Those blaming Congress IMO are like someone who would blame Indian Kings for Indian miseries between 1860-1950. IOW, only those who want to shy away from REAL enemies, namely MNC-owners, Missionaries, Chinese and Saudies, use Congress\Dynasty as strawmen . Those who have courage to call spade a spade now only talk about MNC-owners, Missionaries, Chinese and Saudies, and no longer even bother at what Congress-apex says or does.
. Along with Nambi Narayanan there were other scientists arrested as well. One was one Mr. Chandarsekharan. Couple of folks were also picked up from Bangalore. The initial arrest of was of one Maldivian lady Mariam Rasheeda. This was done by Insp. S. Vijayan. But I dont think he alone (he is not a very high ranking officer) could string up an entire case which involved two Maldivian women, a series of scientists, even a high ranking IPS officer and a strong politician (K.Karunakaran). So other agencies were certainly involved. Nambi Narayanan repeatedly says folks from IB was involved.
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