J & K news and discussion

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 16 Nov 2009 08:23

I was hoping for a better commentary from subject matter experts and other enthusiasts on the recent reports of the Paki election facade in Gilgit and Baltistan.

We haven't covered it here but it does appear to be a departure from an ealier strategy from Pakistan. Indian reaction was very luke warm and quite symbollic and if I must say bordering on tacit agreement.

Can some one please elucidate:

a) what is happening?
b) Why?
c) Impact for J&K, India, Pakistan,
d)Impact on terrorists in jhabbas with beards (jihadis), clean shaven terrorits in suits (West -America and UK)
e) Impact on UNSC resolution
f) possible next steps from India, Pakistan

If there is any media report covering all this, pointer is much appreciated also.

Thanks in advance

sum · Post by **sum** » 16 Nov 2009 13:02

Top BSF officer killed in terrorist ambush

Jammu: Top BSF officer killed in terrorist ambush

A deputy inspector general of the Border Security Force was killed in a powerful blast near Balad Ramgrah along the international border in Jammu region on Monday morning.

DIG O P Tanwar went to the spot at 9 am after heavy exchange of fire between the BSF and terrorists, who were trying to infiltrate into the Indian side from Pakistan during the night, official sources said.

Preliminary information said the terrorists had planted an improvised explosive device on the Indian side and taken cover at a safe place in the Pakistani territory.

As soon as they saw a senior officer visiting the site, the IED was detonated, killing the DIG on the spot.

Police sources said two guards who were accompanying the officer were critically wounded in the blast.

The vehicle, sources added, was extensively damaged in the explosion.

Senior BSF officers have rushed to the spot.

HUUUGE blow, IMHO...
This is as big a blow as loosing a brigadier and a general( Gen Niranjan Prasad ??) getting seriously injured in a fidayeen attack 7-8 years back..morale had taken a beating after that incident.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 17 Nov 2009 07:10

sum wrote: HUUUGE blow, IMHO...
This is as big a blow as loosing a brigadier and a general( Gen Niranjan Prasad ??) getting seriously injured in a fidayeen attack 7-8 years back..morale had taken a beating after that incident.

Need to analyze why this happened. Generally forces do have protocols for guarding against IEDs.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 17 Nov 2009 07:11

Shopian case: Doctor submits own vaginal swab
http://www.ndtv.com/news/india/shopian_ ... l_swab.php

NDTV Correspondent, Monday November 16, 2009, Srinagar

In a strange twist to the investigations into the case of alleged rape and murder of two women in Shopian, the doctor who conducted the post-mortem of the victims has reportedly told investigators that she submitted her own vaginal swab samples instead of one of the victim's.

DNA samples of Dr Nighat Chiloo and her husband were taken last week as asked for by the CBI after Chiloo's confession that one of the slides of the two victims were made out of her own vaginal swabs.

Dr Chiloo who works at the Pulwama district hospital had conducted the second post-mortem on the victims, Nelofar (22) and Asiya (17).

Hundreds of people had taken to the streets in Shopian town after the May 2009 tragedy.

The state government ordered several probes before the CBI took over the case on September 17.

Four police officers from Shopian were arrested on charges of destroying evidence.

The CBI will submit its probe report to the Jammu and Kashmir High Court on December 14.

sum · Post by **sum** » 17 Nov 2009 09:12

In a strange twist to the investigations into the case of alleged rape and murder of two women in Shopian, the doctor who conducted the post-mortem of the victims has reportedly told investigators that she submitted her own vaginal swab samples instead of one of the victim's.

Events in J&K never cease to amaze!!!

sum · Post by **sum** » 17 Nov 2009 09:14

Hurriyat holds secret meeting with Chidambaram

NEW DELHI: Jammu and Kashmir secessionist leaders have held a second round of secret dialogue with Union Home Minister P. Chidambaram, in an effort to push forward the stalled peace process in the State, highly-placed government sources told The Hindu.

Hurriyat chairperson Mirwaiz Umar Farooq, along with his coalition colleagues Abdul Gani Bhat and Bilal Lone, the sources said, met with Mr. Chidambaram for two hours on Saturday. The Mirwaiz, Mr. Bhat and Mr. Lone, the sources said, were met at Khan Market here at just after 12:30 p.m., and driven in an unmarked official car to a government facility in the nearby Lodhi Estate area.

Jammu and Kashmir Police and Delhi Police intelligence personnel, who maintain surveillance on the Hurriyat leadership during their visits to the capital, were instructed to withdraw their watch units before the meeting took place, the sources said.

The Mirwaiz, however, denied he met with Mr. Chidambaram. “No meeting took place while I was in New Delhi,” insisted the Srinagar cleric, who returned home from New Delhi on Monday.

However, he admitted that there had been “some back-channel contacts between the Hurriyat and the government.” He argued that these contacts amounted to “communication, rather than a dialogue.”

Mr. Chidambaram’s office did not reply to queries from The Hindu. The Minister had announced the initiation of a process of “quiet diplomacy” on Jammu and Kashmir, and made clear he would not make its details public.

Earlier this month, The Hindu broke the news that the Mirwaiz and Mr. Chidambaram met in secret in September, before the cleric’s departure for a meeting of the Organisation of the Islamic Conference in New York.

In recent weeks, the Mirwaiz has appeared in his public pronouncements to rule out direct dialogue with New Delhi, which is bitterly opposed by his hardline opponents, notably Tehreek-i-Hurriyat chief Syed Ali Shah Geelani.

What is this about?

manjgu · Post by **manjgu** » 17 Nov 2009 14:27

sum.. Gen Niranjan Prasad lost his jeep & marbles in 1965 war and not 6-7 years ago...

satya · Post by **satya** » 17 Nov 2009 15:25

Protocol of senior BSF officers visiting the incident site seem to have been compromised either via an insider or via keen observation of BSF officers movement at site of past incidents .Need changes ,nothing to panic about .

Sum

what the article meant was PC's meeting with Hurriyat leadership was off the record completely where an open exchange of ideas can take place without tapping fears that had been used against Valley politicians in past .GoI is trying to convey its seriousness about talk & solution ,need to be read in that context .No harm if that means even one of Hurriyat leader get swayed and give impression to their masters across the border that GoI is serious and maybe their wetdream just might come true thereby delaying another terror incident . GoI is buying time in nutshell .

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 17 Nov 2009 22:13

If its successful can bet they will get bumped off by the terrorists.

Something is rotten in the Shopian case. What makes the establishment fix the evidence. I think the forensic surgeon Dr Chilloo, tampering with evidence is to claim that there was rape when she found no evidence.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 18 Nov 2009 08:46

Our goal: Delhi-Srinagar pact, Pak on board

Mirwaiz said the basic paradigm of the engagement is inspired by former Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf’s four-point proposal for an acceptable solution to Kashmir. “India is not ready for the joint-management part of the proposals which talk about joint control of foreign affairs, currency and communications in Kashmir,” Mirwaiz said. “There’s a broader agreement on the other aspects of this settlement model”

The Hurriyat chairman said the new momentum in back-channel engagements is also because the US is pushing for movement in Kashmir to address Pakistan concerns. “There are several geo-political factors that are in play and persuading New Delhi to act,” Mirwaiz said

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 18 Nov 2009 08:52

Folks,
Can someone help me understand the real reason why we still have article 370. If we could absorb sikkim and goa why could we not do the same with J&K. What is the deal? Why are major players so interested in J&K? Is it the routes?

Also, what the hell is happening in Kashmir? Is it a result of Paki blackmail and now the China-Paki combine? Why is the govt capitulating now

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 18 Nov 2009 11:54

Jarita wrote:Can someone help me understand the real reason why we still have article 370.

Start reading from page one of this thread, which discusses the stormy events of the Amarnath agitation and the nationalist Jammu versus communal Kashmir debate.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 19 Nov 2009 07:19

US pushes for Kashmir peace deal
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -deal.html

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 19 Nov 2009 07:23

Can someone help me understand the real reason why we still have article 370. If we could absorb sikkim and goa why could we not do the same with J&K. What is the deal? Why are major players so interested in J&K? Is it the routes?

religion of the residents for art 370.

gateway to CAR for interest of major players.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 19 Nov 2009 07:31

CAR makes perfect sense. Thanks

Leonard · Post by **Leonard** » 20 Nov 2009 03:32

FANTASTIC -- !!!!!

An Open Letter To Yasin Malik

A true commitment to non-violence should not be conditional and fragile. Gandhi did not say: "Give India independence or else I will unleash terrorist brigades on you." That was Jinnah’s method, not Gandhi’s.
Madhu Purnima Kishwar

http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?262922

.....

You claim to have taken to Gandhian methods and claim that the movement for "azadi" in Kashmir is non violent —all on the grounds that some years ago you gave up the gun. Dear friend Yasin, you gave up the gun after you were arrested and jailed, not while you were on the outside, fighting. You never gave up supporting and defending those who continued using the gun. In the November 7 meeting, you declared openly that you are proud of having been the first one to take up the gun for the cause of Kashmir. When a young Kashmiri Pandit commented: "You may have given up the gun but that does not mean Kashmiri Muslims gave up the gun. The Hizbul Mujahiddin is also comprised of Kashmiri youth." Your response was: Since the Indian government did not hand over "azadi" to the "non-violent" JKLF, and since human rights organizations in India failed to persuade the Indian government to do so, Hizbul Mujahaddin are justified in taking up the gun. Yasin bhai, a true commitment to non-violence should not be so conditional and fragile. Gandhi did not say: "Give India independence or else I will unleash terrorist brigades on you." That was Jinnah’s method, not Gandhi’s.

...

For example, when you asked me to intervene on behalf of some of your colleagues held in detention centres who you claimed and seemed to me to be innocent, I did so without hesitation. I even succeeded on some occasions in helping get them released—your verbal assurance that they were not involved in any terrorist crimes was an important consideration in my efforts. Do you think you could get such relief for your colleagues if they had been arrested on account of suspected terrorist links in England—a nation you so ardently admire— or in the US—the country you had put most faith in to help you gain "Azadi"?

In the November 7 meeting, you expressed your annoyance over the fact that representatives from Ladakh, Jammu, Poonch, and Rajouri had been invited. You dismissed their presence with open contempt saying: " Is this a mohalla meeting that we have gathered all these people to discuss local affairs?" This attitude of assuming that it is only Kashmiri Muslims of the Valley— and that too of a certain political persuasion— who ought to have the right to determine the future of the entire state of J&K has created huge fault lines and murderously hostile camps in the State.

No one organization has the right to be the sole spokesperson of the Kashmiri people. The strong voices opposing your politics in Jammu, Ladakh and even within Kashmir have to be given their due importance.

While you expected human rights organizations in India to help you secure "Azadi"—you have allowed the concept to remain so fuzzy that I have not yet understood what concretely you mean by it. I have spent hours trying to persuade you to work out the concrete modalities of your plank of "Azadi" and explain to us how your Azadi will be any different from the bloody 1947 Partition of India. What will be the fate of minorities in your 'Azad' Kashmir? What happens to the rights of those in Kashmir, Jammu, Rajouri, Poonch, Leh and Kargil and those in the Valley who do not wish to secede from India and do not want to live in your mythical Azad Kashmir? I never got anything resembling an answer. It also makes me very uneasy that the JKLF does not even have a constitution, leave alone any democratic machinery for managing its affairs.

....

You say you are still proud of the fact that you took up the gun because without that the Kashmir issue would not have gained due attention. This is not how morally committed non-violent satyagrahis reason. That is not how those who draw inspiration from Gandhi should earn world attention. One does not become a satyagrahi by merely laying down arms, that too without ever expressing remorse for having unleashed a reign of terror and violence. A satyagrahi does not romanticize the power of the gun, especially when it has already caused havoc for millions.

To qualify being a satyagrahi also means:

* Being an unconditional soldier of peace by actively opposing all forces of violence. Unfortunately, your love affair with the gun is not yet over, or else you would not claim to be proud of having been the first one to take up the gun as a means of furthering your politics; Even today, you do not condemn terrorist killings without reservations.
* Being committed to the path of Truth ( Satya) as a permanent seeker rather than as a self declared authority on Truth. A satyagrahi cannot be selective in choosing facts to suit his political arguments, which you often do. Being able to face unpalatable facts about one's own movement and an ability to take diverse view points and perspectives into account is vital for adhering to the path of Truth. A truth seeker does not indulge in mere partisan politics nor does he/she overstate his /her case, as you often do
* Being able to keep one's anger under check and control so that it does not distort one's vision. A Satyagrahi does not demonize his/her opponents, nor does he/she hold malice and ill will towards others whose politics and vision are at variance from that of the satyagrahi. You seem to be in a permanent state of upset with people who do not agree with your politics.

......

It was a very revealing moment, Yasin, when you told me after one of your visits to Pakistan which I quote from memory:

"I have now realized the great difference between the human rights activists in India and Pakistan. The Indian activists mostly come from ordinary middle class families so they are small minded. The Pakistani human rights activists are mostly from aristocratic families—daughters of generals and wealthy land owning aristocrats. Therefore, they are large hearted and have a broader vision."

You have been understandably impressed by their pampering and hospitality extended to you. But you would do well to remember, many of them pamper you because you are a thorn in the flesh of the Indian establishment. They do not pamper their home grown secessionists--the Baluchis, the Pakhtoons and Sindhis, who wish to break away from Pakistan, as they do you.

You would also do well to remember that the aristocratic elite of Pakistan has done a poor job of defending their own democracy. They have also done a poor job of resisting the growing influence of the Taliban over their polity and civil society. Pakistan Administered Kashmir has a much poorer track record of democracy than the Kashmir you inhabit. The diverse ethnic groups and regions in Pakistan have far fewer rights than minority communities and regions have in India. No matter how well they treat you personally, the aristocratic elite of Pakistan are unlikely to deliver the "azadi" you are seeking.

...

Well Done Madhu !!!!!

Personally, YM should be hung from the nearest Chinar Tree ...

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 20 Nov 2009 03:49

What annoys me the the mindset of some Indians who believe that we should part with Kashmir (trade off the Indian Muslims etc). Do they have no clue about the strategic importance of Kashmir? The river waters etc.
As it is we are mohtaj to China for the Brahmaputra - Thanks Nehru, you fiddled while Tibet burned.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 20 Nov 2009 10:52

Hurriyat chief Mirwaiz Umar Farooq to visit China

CNN-IBN

Fri, Nov 20, 2009

New Delhi: India may have rejected United States of America President Barack Obama's offer to China to be the supercop in India-Pakistan matters but sources say Hurriyat Chairman Mirwaiz Umar Farooq is going to China to give them his perspective on Kashmir.

"Yes, I will visit China soon. I have been invited by a Chinese NGO to talk about Muslim issues. It is basically a Muslim NGO," Farooq has been quoted as saying by The Indian Express.

Farooq is likely to meet diplomats and administrators in Beijing during his visit later in 2009.

If the visit goes through, it would be the first time that any separatist leader from the Valley has gone to China.

Earlier Farooq had called for a joint contact group on Kashmir between India, China, and Pakistan.

China's invitation to Mirwaiz comes when relations between China and India are strained following Beijing's criticism of the Dalai Lama's visit to Tawang..

Moreover, the recent US-China statement on India-Pakistan relations prompted India to say that there was no third-party role in bilateral relations with Pakistan.

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/hurriyat-chi ... ml?from=tn

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 20 Nov 2009 11:14

More

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/mirwa ... na/544071/

He said he had been invited by the Han Foundation, a Chinese “NGO” to talk about “Muslim” issues. “It is basically a Muslim NGO,” Mirwaiz said.

Mirwaiz needs to propagate his religion in China. That will take care of PRC. Let's throw the pitbull pups over the fence

sourab_c · Post by **sourab_c** » 20 Nov 2009 19:31

RoyG wrote:Hurriyat chief Mirwaiz Umar Farooq to visit China

China is playing the game of chess here, we let Dalai Lama lose into Tawang, they invite Kashmiri separatists.

This guy is going to lose a lot of domestic support by involving China into this!!

Now I know why New Delhi let him roam around... Great game by New Delhi!

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 20 Nov 2009 19:51

Let's see how China stamps the Visa on his passport. If it is on a separate piece of paper, obviously he cannot travel from an Indian port. If he tries to be smart by going to China after visiting another country, then he should be sent to jail after return. But, that is an option that the present Indian government may lack the guts to implement. Considering GoI's ineptitude in such matters, it is better that we do not allow him to travel especially after his recent statement that China has a stake in Kashmir as it also holds Aksai Chin ! It is becoming clear now. The Obama-Hu reference to Kashmir has been in consultation with characters like Mirwaiz.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 20 Nov 2009 20:06

Let's see how China stamps the Visa on his passport.

Ah, my very thought when I first heard the news. Usko visa kaun sa milega.... But, lez assume PRC is chaloo and gives him a proper visa, then what?

James B · Post by **James B** » 20 Nov 2009 20:14

Hari Seldon wrote:
Let's see how China stamps the Visa on his passport.
Ah, my very thought when I first heard the news. Usko visa kaun sa milega.... But, lez assume PRC is chaloo and gives him a proper visa, then what?

We can accuse china of double standards and that of fomenting trouble in kashmir through Hurry-rats and do a big media show.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 20 Nov 2009 20:51

Under normal circumstances i dont think we would have let him go...but now with a depreciating dollar, 17% effective unemployment, and the US increasingly ceding strategic and economic space to its primary creditor, China playing a more proactive role in JK seems inevitable. I have a feeling the next couple are going to be rather shaky. Pressure Pressure!

manjgu · Post by **manjgu** » 20 Nov 2009 21:10

if our sardar has any gairat ... he should postpone US trip citing new developments in the subcontinent and till clarifications are obtained on some matter of utmost important to India... and also announce speedy development of 10000 km ICBM ...

))

if Mirawiz has to go to china it has to be from Pakistan... no 2 thoughts about it. another test for indian statecraft ( which they will surely fail with flying colors) ..

D Roy · Post by **D Roy** » 20 Nov 2009 21:23

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 251958.cms

"China is a global power and has huge influence in the region and as such China also has a direct link with Kashmir because certain parts of Kashmir are in Chinese control which have been given by Pakistan to them — Aksai Chin and those areas," he said.

"I believe that China is not a party to the conflict (over Kashmir) but China has a stake as far as peace in the region is concerned. So, the Hurriyat Conference welcomes the approach adopted by China and America jointly in terms of addressing the issue of Kashmir in South Asia," he said.

It had said the two countries "support the improvement and growth of relations between India and Pakistan, and are ready to strengthen communication, dialogue and cooperation on issues related to South Asia and work together to promote peace, stability and development in that region." India has taken strong objection to reference to Kashmir in it.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 20 Nov 2009 21:48

D Roy wrote:http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 251958.cms

"China is a global power and has huge influence in the region and as such China also has a direct link with Kashmir because certain parts of Kashmir are in Chinese control which have been given by Pakistan to them — Aksai Chin and those areas," he said.

"I believe that China is not a party to the conflict (over Kashmir) but China has a stake as far as peace in the region is concerned. So, the Hurriyat Conference welcomes the approach adopted by China and America jointly in terms of addressing the issue of Kashmir in South Asia," he said.

It had said the two countries "support the improvement and growth of relations between India and Pakistan, and are ready to strengthen communication, dialogue and cooperation on issues related to South Asia and work together to promote peace, stability and development in that region." India has taken strong objection to reference to Kashmir in it.

You'll start hearing stuff like this more and more over the next couple months. "China is a global power and has huge influence in the region" oh and who can forget the "linkages" yet "is not a party to the conflict"? Pakistan = India, Peace in the region = concessions from india. = only!

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 20 Nov 2009 22:44

SSridhar wrote:Let's see how China stamps the Visa on his passport.

He can always go to Dilbullah.

(sorry couldn't resist)

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 21 Nov 2009 08:52

D Roy wrote:http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 251958.cms

See the double speak of this guy.

Kashmir is a political issue and not any territorial or religious dispute. . .The Hurriyat chairman sought the joint role of the U.S., China and the Organisation of Islamic Conference (OIC) in pushing for a resolution of the Kashmir issue

sum · Post by **sum** » 21 Nov 2009 15:13

Chankian SDREs also upto games of their own:
Delhi turns tables on Beijing over Mirwaiz trip to China

New Delhi on Friday turned the tables on Beijing by stating that Mirwaiz was free to go to China, provided he got a visa recognised as valid by the Indian government.

New Delhi had recently stated that it would not accept as valid the “stapled paper visas” issued by the Chinese embassy and consulates in India exclusively to the people of Jammu and Kashmir and Arunachal Pradesh.

“He (Mirwaiz) is free to go wherever he wants to,” external affairs minister S M Krishna told journalists when he was asked to react to Mirwaiz’s statement that he had received an “invitation” from “a Chinese NGO” to travel to that country for a seminar on Muslims there.

Foreign secretary Nirupama Rao later told a news conference that the Indian government had never prevented the Kashmiri leaders from travelling to other countries. She, however, made it clear that Mirwaiz would have to get a “valid visa” from the Chinese government to travel to that country.

The ministry of external affairs (MEA) recently issued a travel advisory stating that the Indian government did not recognise the stapled paper visas as valid travel documents and immigration officers in the airports would not let people with such visas to fly out.
“If China issues stapled paper visa to Mirwaiz, he would not be allowed to fly out — only for technical reasons and not because of the Indian government’s disagreement with the separatist agenda of the Hurriyat Conference,” an MEA official said.

And, if the Chinese government issues a regular visa to Mirwaiz, it will tantamount to backtracking by Beijing from its earlier decision not to treat the people of J&K on a par with Indian citizens from other states.

Not sure what happens if he flies through TSP ( as he most likely will)

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 22 Nov 2009 03:07

Is this the Han Foundation whatshisface is visiting

http://www.hanwaves.org/

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 22 Nov 2009 04:21

sum wrote: Not sure what happens if he flies through TSP ( as he most likely will)

If I understand the process correctly, if he goes to PRC thru TSP, he would get his PP stamped with the exit/entry information?

If YES then can GOI deny his entry back to India that he travelled without a proper visa?

If NO can't our immigration officials find some "other" valid reason to deny his entry back?

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 22 Nov 2009 04:48

RamaY wrote:
sum wrote: Not sure what happens if he flies through TSP ( as he most likely will)
If I understand the process correctly, if he goes to PRC thru TSP, he would get his PP stamped with the exit/entry information?

If YES then can GOI deny his entry back to India that he travelled without a proper visa?

If NO can't our immigration officials find some "other" valid reason to deny his entry back?

Once he makes his trip China via porkistan and returns the immigration officials surely can manage to send him to Tihar 5 star resort for a few nights in the company of rapists and felons(the non religious ones and not the ones he hangs around with) in the process he might even get his multiple entry Canada visa stamped.
i dont understand why the GOI gives any credence to these Mir-not so-wize folks, why should the FM even comment on this criminal?

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 22 Nov 2009 04:59

It'll be doubly interesting to see what happens, as Mirwaiz is supposed to be the moderate one in Hurri-rat cabal. His father was assassinated by paki terrorists. His views are very often divergent from swornly anti-Indian Gilani, Malik and the rest.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 22 Nov 2009 05:52

jamwal wrote:It'll be doubly interesting to see what happens, as Mirwaiz is supposed to be the moderate one in Hurri-rat cabal. His father was assassinated by paki terrorists. His views are very often divergent from swornly anti-Indian Gilani, Malik and the rest.

I will be really interesting. His dead father said to all so called freedom fighters of JK that there is no point in fighting with India as it is another bigger power on the horizon. Better to negotiate and be friendly and there is no gold on the otherside. Within few months after that he is killed. Moral of the story is even if any rat is even moderate they will not speak the truth because their life will be on line.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 22 Nov 2009 06:14

There is no friggin Han Foundation. Been searching and only came up with a link to an itsy foundation in Florida which basically runs the senior center etc.
Nothing, nada.

Neshant · Post by **Neshant** » 22 Nov 2009 07:03

maybe the Han foundation in china can educate this goat on how Hans wipe out muslim minorities there.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 22 Nov 2009 13:07

"Chinese NGO" - that's an oxyjackass!!!!

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 22 Nov 2009 13:35

The Indic Foundation should invite some mirwaiz types from Balochistan, PoK, Tibet & E. Turkestan for chai pani--on the same type of visas the chinese give to J&k and Arunachali visitors.

sum · Post by **sum** » 22 Nov 2009 13:40

Victor wrote:The Indic Foundation should invite some mirwaiz types from Balochistan, PoK, Tibet & E. Turkestan for chai pani--on the same type of visas the chinese give to J&k and Arunachali visitors.

IIRC, This was done a couple of months back. The seminar was called " Beyond the Karakorma" or something of that sort.

Of course, doubt that Chini people were called but loads of PoK big shots turned up...