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This once a keeper. Apologies if posted.

True Lies
For Muslims, the day of Friday is blessed. It is the juma prayers that bring many Muslims to the mosque, clad in their freshly washed and starched shalwar kameez. Mosques in Pakistan witness their highest attendance on Friday – a good thing for the maulvis who lead the khutbah. The more people present, the more the impact.

Last Friday, there was reason to celebrate. Pakistan test fired its Hataf 2 (Abdali) missile that has a range of 180 miles – another feather in the cap of the armed forces and its engineers. Pakistan is safer today courtesy the latest addition to our weapons arsenal. Maybe there’s hope for hundreds of people who gather in mosques on Friday, or collect to offer namaz-e-janaza. Perhaps our nuclear capability will also offer some security to the minorities – may the Hataf protect them from false fatwas issued by clerics ordaining their death.

A few hours later India tested its Prithvi-II missile and burst my bubble. For us, our enemy is still across the border – and aren’t we glad Pakistan tested its ballistic missile first. Our powerful army has the India problem sorted. Bless them. But isn’t that what we thought in 1965, in 1971 and in 1999? The greatest threat to Pakistan security is always being ‘sorted’. And if the cause is so noble, then why are we fed lies by both - our political leaders and our military establishment?

In 1965, we read in our textbooks that India attacked Pakistan in the middle of the night for no reason or because some of their generals wanted to have a non-vegetarian meal at the Lahore Gymkhana! But then I grew up and found out that we started this confrontation by picking a fight along, what we now refer to, as the LoC. India overreacted by starting a war on international borders. Why is it so hard for us to speak the complete truth? The truth is that Pakistan believes that it has a legitimate right on Kashmir and history is rife with war attempts we have made to take over what is already ours. Then why not accept it? Why exaggerate the Indian threat and undermine our own confrontational policies.

The lies carried on in 1971. We had West Pakistan believe that we were on a winning streak till the 15th of December. However, on the morning of the 16th we had lost East Pakistan. We were also told that the Pakistan Army was up against just a bunch of mukti bahinis – however, truth be told, we were actually fighting against the entire nation of East Pakistan. Ironically, we were fighting against those in ‘71 who had helped build what we stand for since ‘47.

Come 1979 and we started living another lie. For ten years, we were told that Pakistan was just a source of moral support for the mujahideen waging jihad against the Soviets. The truth: we were creating an enabling environment for them to grow in. We were responsible not just for their recruitment but also their training. We were fighting a war against a superpower for another superpower, which we now identify as the greatest evil. Yet, she was our only companion through most of these lies. With the Soviet War ending, we decided to morally engage ourselves in “our jugular vein” – Kashmir. Again our ‘moral support’ included training camps, militant groups and a few operations, Kargil being one of them.

The Kargil War, we were told was initiated and fought by the mujahideen. Again, we were only ‘morally’ supporting them. Yet, hundreds of our soldiers were martyred – and there were brave men like Lalak Jan Shaheed who sustained serious injuries as enemies pounded the area with heavy mortar shells. It is these foot soldiers that protect us from internal and external threat. While the Pakistan government continued to harp on its “successes” in Kargil, Pakistani media – over the years – discovered that not only was Kargil Pakistan’s misadventure, but also a diplomatic disaster. And the world was no longer sympathetic to the cause of religious militancy.

That’s the power of an independent media. The truth finds its way to the people, as it did in the case of Kargil. However, in ‘65 and ‘71 there was only state-controlled media and we were made to believe what now appears to be only the partial truth. This evasiveness has led our Establishment to control our thoughts and speech. We blame political forces for diplomatic disasters, forgetting that the only constant throughout our 63 years of existence has remained our military establishment.

We drone on endlessly about drone strikes, sometimes blaming the US, at other times demanding explanation from our political leaders. However, when Major General Ghayur Mehmood gave his personal assessment to the media in Miranshah, hardly anyone noticed. In what he termed his ‘personal assessment’ the General said that most of those killed in drone strikes were “hardcore Al-Qaeda and Taliban militants”. Some media gurus demanded the General be court martialled. Not a whimper from the ISPR. The establishment needs to come clean on whether the drone strikes are indeed helping get rid of militants or killing innocent civilians. They shouldn’t allow the drones to continue in either case. But at least we should know who is the driving force behind these pilotless drones? They should not be allowed to fan the flames of extremism in the garb of their hidden ‘interests’.

These lies have helped create a nation with strange characteristics. We would go to war with India in an instant, yet just one Indian entertainment channel has more viewership in Pakistan than all Pakistani channels combined. We will continue to see our people die in bomb blasts and wonder where these ‘terrorists’ came from. No one concedes to the fact that these terrorists were bred for our own “national interest” and “strategic depth”.

Years and years of concocted lies, artificial or make-believe truth has led our nation to suffer from a multiple personality disorder and paranoia. :rotfl: :rotfl: We smell a conspiracy at every corner; blame the ‘foreign hand’ for all evil. Friday is believed to be the day when the sun rises best and the day when prayers are surely answered. This Friday, say a little prayer for Pakistan: God give us the strength to fix it.



The writer works for Geo TV.
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Legislator. I am always impressed Pakistan has Senators and Legislators and India has to make do with goondas and netas. Hehehehe.
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Cricket lovers hurt in grenade attack

PESHAWAR, March 13: Suspected militants attacked and injured five young cricket fans with handgrenades as they sat watching the exciting India-South Africa World Cup match in the privacy of a room in Badhber suburbs on Saturday night.
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Charlie wrote:True Lies
Years and years of concocted lies, artificial or make-believe truth has led our nation to suffer from a multiple personality disorder and paranoia.
The question to ask is 'why'. What drives Pakistan to go nuts like that ? Insh'a All'ah, the writer will explore in a sequel that question truthfully.
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Pakistan drone attacks 'kill three militants'

I wonder Indian WKK's are not really baki supporters, but want to undermine their own motherland India for highest bidders. I have not seen one Indian news channel like NDTV or IBN reporting them as freedom fighters or ordinary citizens. Why this open blatant discrimination. If they would have patriotic they would have undermine PA and their impotence by bringing these issues openly. For PA the motto is America-o-Akbar. Any how, nice Predator with moon in horizon. Message to bakis, better to redefine AOA.

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shravan wrote:Cricket lovers hurt in grenade attack

PESHAWAR, March 13: Suspected militants attacked and injured five young cricket fans with handgrenades as they sat watching the exciting India-South Africa World Cup match in the privacy of a room in Badhber suburbs on Saturday night.
RAA agents watching "exciting" Kufr matches?
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Reuters: http://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews ... GX20110314
A Pakistani court declined to rule on Monday on whether a CIA contractor held on murder charges has diplomatic immunity, saying a court hearing the murder case would decide.
And for some Lulz
The court also asked the foreign ministry to submit a reply on a petition challenging Vienna convention.
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Baikul wrote:
jrjrao wrote:WSJ op-ed:

OPINION MARCH 14, 2011
Pakistan's Army Is the Real Obstacle to Peace --
It shelters jihadists and cows liberal civilian politicians
By MIRA SETHI
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Ms. Sethi, a native of Lahore, Pakistan, is assistant books editor at the Journal.
Gawds above, of all the cuttles that could be cuttled, this could be one of most most wajib-ul, eh?
Mira Sethi is Najam Sethi's daughter. She works for the Wall Street Journal. Sorry about the big picture size!

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hmmmm.. :P
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Originally posted by jrjrao
Link to complete article

Published on Mar 14, 2011
By Mira Sethi
Pakistan’s Army Is the Real Obstacle to Peace: WSJ

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http://pakistanexaminer.com/2011/03/14/pakistans-army-is-the-real-obstacle-to-peace/
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RajeshA wrote: OPINION MARCH 14, 2011
Pakistan's Army Is the Real Obstacle to Peace --
It shelters jihadists and cows liberal civilian politicians
By MIRA SETHI
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Ms. Sethi, a native of Lahore, Pakistan, is assistant books editor at the Journal.
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She looks terribly young to be writing such serious articles. Probably papa Sethi contributes as a personal editor.
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RajeshA wrote: OPINION MARCH 14, 2011
Pakistan's Army Is the Real Obstacle to Peace --
It shelters jihadists and cows liberal civilian politicians
By MIRA SETHI
..........................

Ms. Sethi, a native of Lahore, Pakistan, is assistant books editor at the Journal.
Ambar wrote:She looks terribly young to be writing such serious articles. Probably papa Sethi contributes as a personal editor.
Mira Sethi's Bio!

She did her internship at the Indian Express. Suspicious/interesting networking here!
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Dipanker wrote:One of the reason Adm. Ramdas may be in India-Pak peace business because his daughter is married to a Paki. She met the Paki while studying in US.
One more thing can be said about the ramdas couple.

The Mrs. is far far more intelligent than the Mr.
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RajeshA wrote:
She did her internship at the Indian Express. Suspicious/interesting networking here!
Not really surprised. Sethi is good friends with Shekar Gupta.
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Ambar wrote:
RajeshA wrote:
She did her internship at the Indian Express. Suspicious/interesting networking here!
Not really surprised. Sethi is good friends with Shekar Gupta.
And, N.Ram too. This is through such networks that Pakistan blunts Indian actions.
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ISI planning attacks in India to avoid LeT split?
The United States believes that the Lashkar-e-Tayiba is no longer a force that focuses only on India, but also has under its hit-list the country's troops stationed in Afghanistan and Europe.

While it is a known fact that the Lashkar has been looking to expand and take its fight global, Indian Intelligence agencies point out that this sort of change is always a danger for India.

For three years now, Lashkar cadres have been pressurising their higher ups in Pakistani intelligence agency Inter Services Intelligence to battle American troops, but they have always been pulled back.

The reason? The ISI does not want the only outfit that it has complete control over to go out of hand.
The last time around when the Lashkar forces had expressed their desire to battle the US troops in Afghanistan, the ISI had to plan a 26/11 (Mumbai terror attacks) in order to keep them quiet.

Around five years ago, the Lashkar was on the verge of a split with several cadres threatening to leave the outfit and join hands with the Taliban. The ISI had a tough time coaxing these cadres to stick together.


Around the same time, the Al Qaeda's 313 brigade was planning the 26/11 attack. The ISI hijacked the plan and used the Lashkar to stage this attack. This kept the cadres quiet.

However, the ISI is today facing a similar situation again. This time around the Lashkar cadres are even more aggressive in their demands.
Intelligence agencies have picked up movements by ISI agents. Intelligence reports trickling in would suggest that attacks are being planned on a large scale.

The immediate threat India faces is to the ongoing cricket world cup. There have been very specific alerts regarding an attack on this event and Indian security agencies are working round the clock to prevent any such attack.
The Americans though think otherwise. They feel that the next attack on their soil would be from the Lashkar itself.


Indian intelligence believes that the ISI will do its best to keep the Lashkar out of any attack other than in India. It would want the Al Qaeda to focus on that job.

The ISI realises that its most important battle is in Kashmir and if the Lashkar starts to deviate into the US or into Afghanistan then the primary objective would suffer.

And the ISI's efforts are evident. It has been trying to get the Students of Islamic Movement of India and the Indian Mujahideen to re-group. Not only is it enhancing their bases in Kerala but has also shifted the counterfeit currency market down South.
Well, going by the amount of articles on Paki intentions, would assume that a major strike is very, very close.

Anyways, the GoI has shown chankian-ness and resumed talks just before the talks. So, when the attacks finally happen, the GoI can "act tough" and suspend talks for next 1 year.. :roll: :roll:
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Bad news from the ICC world cup!

Rain has delayed Ghazi Bakistani team's match with little bit shorter than Himalaya friend Zimbabwe.

That apart 19 promising Wajib ul Cuttle expert stroke makers have been denied permission to play for Pakistan

See here
19 shadowy police commandos sidelined
They belonged to the Elite Force, as did Malik Mumtaz Hussain Qadri who is facing trial for gunning down Punjab Governor Salman Taseer in Islamabad while on duty to protect him on January 4.

“Yes, the 19 have been relieved of security duties and have been sent to Police Lines,” Regional Police Officer Hamid Mukhtar Gondal confirmed to Dawn.

“I had proposed to the authorities to take them off VIP duty but let them perform other duties because their immobilisation would create shortage of manpower in the department and demoralise the force,” he added.

A senior official of the Elite Force said the 19 had been off the VIP security duties immediately after receiving the word from AIG Elite Force Syed Kalb-i-Abbas while written orders were yet to come.
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http://tribune.com.pk/story/130606/amon ... asphemers/
So whether it was the villagers, the educated masses or the politicians — the stance against blasphemy was the same.

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I asked Khawaja Saad Rafique if it was wise to mix politics and religion. “This is not politics; it is our duty as Muslims to defend Islam,” replied the parliamentarian before leaving in a convoy of jeeps.

“Islam will prevail no matter what,” screamed the loudspeakers around me as another political activist started to speak.
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Wa-Post today:

Pakistan assassinations highlight sway of radical clerics
PESHAWAR, PAKISTAN - Yousaf Qureshi made international headlines in December when he offered $6,000 to anyone who killed a Pakistani Christian woman convicted of blasphemy. This month, the cleric told worshipers packed into his 17th-century mosque here that extremists had done a "marvelous job" days before, by assassinating a cabinet minister who had defended the woman.

Those statements might count as incitement to violence under Pakistani law. But no government or law enforcement officials have confronted him, Qureshi said on a recent morning.

Qureshi, the Peshawar imam, also runs a 700-student madrassa that teaches only the Koran. Studying other topics, he said, would instill materialism in students.

Qureshi said his reward offer for the killer of Asia Bibi, the Christian woman, still stands, and he boasted he could collect the money from worshipers in 15 minutes. He said he already has $1 million in a briefcase, ready for anyone who kills a Danish cartoonist who drew the prophet Muhammad.

Qureshi said his rhetoric has occasionally led local officials to briefly bar him from sermonizing. But they always buckle when his congregation starts rumbling.

"I have 10,000 followers. All are holy warriors," he said. "They will come out to the streets without thinking, just in the name of Islam."
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Taseer's little brat is getting more & more vocal

Getting ready for next election to contest or getting ready to be qadrified?

Frontiers of expression have shrunk in 'democratic' Pakistan: Shehrbano Taseer
"In a country that calls itself a democracy, the frontiers of expression have shrunk," The Express Tribune quoted Shehrbano, as saying on an Express 24/7 show, commenting on the murders.
Shehrbano revealed that her family had received several threatening letters after her father's assassination, and vowed to continue living in Pakistan despite requests from friends, urging her family to leave the country.
Now thats not a great idea :shock:
The slain governor's daughter said that she does not live in fear because that is what the terrorists capitalise on.

"I am not going to give my country to them on a silver platter," she said.

On a positive note, Shehrbano said she sees "unwavering hope in Pakistan," and if everyone was to work for a better Pakistan, they would see the fruits in the next 20 years or so. (ANI)
Spoken like a true R.A.P.E. :rotfl:
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The myth of Pakistan’s infinite gas reserves
Pakistan’s gas crisis is the product of decisions taken by a military leader who was short-sighted enough to announce a major policy shift based on a whimsical, anecdotal understanding of the energy sector and arrogant enough to implement it without even bothering to study the situation carefully.
The gas crisis in Pakistan is caused by a decision taken by the Musharraf administration to begin converting much of Pakistan’s hydrocarbon-based energy production – both for transportation as well as electricity – from oil to gas.

“Why would we import so much expensive fuel from abroad when we have an abundant supply of gas at home?” said the former president on several occasions when he defended his policy as an example of how his government had supposedly done wonders in managing the Pakistani economy.
guess he meant gas from pindi chana that he produces and consumed in GHQ not natural gas. :rotfl:
All of those legendary stories about Balochistan having massive gas fields are just that: myths and legends. It turns out that, despite Sui being one of the largest gas fields in the country, most of the country’s gas does not come from Balochistan. In fact, about 71 per cent comes from Sindh.
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This goes here or the benis dhaga? Adminullah can decide

‘Nepal to take help from Pakistan’s Constitution’
Chief Justice of Nepal Ram Prasad Shreshta has said, “We will take help from the Constitution of Pakistan in designing the same document for our homeland.”

He was talking to media during his visit to the mausoleum of the founder of Pakistan, Quaid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah here on Sunday.
He was of the view that all the ingredient of an independent nation including democracy and an independent and active judiciary are available in Pakistan.
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LOL, Thats surely is a benis material !
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“Padded Bras are Devil’s Cushions” says Council of Islamic Ideology

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“Those lacy bras? They are an abomination! Do you even know how they’re made? They’re made in China by underfed and underpaid children. That’s how they’re made.” said a placard that was held by a protester.

http://www.roznamajawani.com/?p=1117


http://www.sify.com/news/pak-council-pr ... ggjjb.html
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From the link posted above...(BTW why do we need a BENIS thread for TSP? The whole of TSP is BENIS worthy)
The Council of Islamic Ideology is recommending that Pakistani Muslim researchers should try to invent a bra that makes the female chest area unnoticeable.
they can seek advise from the taller than mountain friends on this aspect... :rotfl:
Zakir Naik, one of the leading Islamic scholars commented that if ....the country is successful at making such a bra that makes the chest of women unnoticeable, Pakistan might become the biggest exporter for Shariah compliant underwear.
In fact they should be ashamed of their breasts, both of them.
that is absolutely fair...no discrimination against one of them...to be shariah compliant.
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BTW the site does look like a spoof one...
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sum wrote: Anyways, the GoI has shown chankian-ness and resumed talks just before the talks. So, when the attacks finally happen, the GoI can "act tough" and suspend talks for next 1 year.. :roll: :roll:
In addition to that if Pakistan can arrange LET to blow up a NATO Military canvoy; it will make Pakis the "victim of same terrorism that India is facing".

MMS can return to sleep.
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SSridhar wrote:
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And, N.Ram too. This is through such networks that Pakistan blunts Indian actions.
SS saar, Why does the reverse not work for India?
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^^^
Because
(a) opinion of the ruling class in Pakistan is not shaped by the English media. The media only serves as a facade for external/Western consumers as an indication of "free press", "democratic credentials", etc. and
(b) Agenda of the press is controlled by the military. No amount of contacts/networking can counteract direct orders from jernails.
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Ambar wrote:
RajeshA wrote:
She did her internship at the Indian Express. Suspicious/interesting networking here!
Not really surprised. Sethi is good friends with Shekar Gupta.
SSridhar wrote:And, N.Ram too. This is through such networks that Pakistan blunts Indian actions.
I don't know if such networks are used to blunt Indian actions; to my mind it's not yet proven. But I do know that there is - hopefully a fast dying, on the Indian side at least - elite across both countries that looks down on the rest of us.

As reporter in the mid- 90s, one incident in particular can still get my blood to boil. It was cultural event at the Taj Mansingh (IIRC) in Delhi. You had the cream of Indian journalism and Pakistani diplomats hob nobbing. Nothing actually 'happened', but I can see them even now, preening like peacocks, drop dead disdain for the SDREs, an almost indescribable "we're the elites" camaraderie, and "the rest are the hoi polloi" style that filled me with contempt then, as it does now.
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Baikul wrote:
As reporter in the mid- 90s, one incident in particular can still get my blood to boil. It was cultural event at the Taj Mansingh (IIRC) in Delhi. You had the cream of Indian journalism and Pakistani diplomats hob nobbing. Nothing actually 'happened', but I can see them even now, preening like peacocks, drop dead disdain for the SDREs, an almost indescribable "we're the elites" camaraderie, and "the rest are the hoi polloi" style that filled me with contempt then, as it does now.
Well they have had the Americans fooled as well. In general a lot of Americans who dealt with Pakis thought they were fun guys as opposed to Indians who "are jerks". This is an interesting phenomenon because the RAPE have successfully "hidden" several tens of millions of SDRE Pakis while giving the impression that all Pakialnd is composed of the elite. Part of the reason may be the fact that at partition the elite among Indian Muslims moved en masse to Pakistan. anad populated all positions of power and wealth. That had the effect of filling Poakland with the elite while leaving India with the SDRE hoi polloi - the (formerly) leaderless Muslims of India.
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The Hindu has a bunch of wikileaks articles on its home page ...

‘PM isolated on Pakistan’
After a meeting with India's National Security Adviser M.K. Narayanan in August 2009, American Ambassador Timothy Roemer was driven to the conclusion that Prime Minister Manmohan Singh was isolated within his own government in his “great belief” in talks and negotiations with Pakistan.

During the interaction, Mr. Narayanan, who had been described by the Embassy in a January 12, 2005 cable (25259: confidential) as a long-time Gandhi family loyalist “who is seen as part of the traditional ‘coterie' around Congress Party President Sonia Gandhi,” came through as a hardliner on Pakistan, never afraid to voice his differences with Prime Minister Sin
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Mr. Roemer observed that although Mr. Narayanan's tough stance on Pakistan was well known, his readiness to “distance himself from his boss [Manmohan Singh] in an initial courtesy call would suggest that PM Singh is more isolated than we thought within his own inner circle in his effort to ‘trust but verify' and pursue talks with Pakistan particularly in the wake of the hammering his government took from opposition for the July Sharm al-Sheikh statement with [Pakistan Prime Minister Yusuf Raza] Gilani.” (The BJP had criticised the statement for de-linking the dialogue process from action on terror.)
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The Ambassador's comment on the NSA's “rather blunt assertion” that foreign policy was being run out of the Prime Minister's Office was that it lent “credence to recent media chatter describing a marginalized Ministry of External Affairs under FM Krishna [Foreign Minister S.M. Krishna].”
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Interestingly, looking ahead to the appointment of Mr. Narayanan as the NSA, the Embassy noted in the 2005 cable: “Along with Principal Secretary TKA Nair, Narayanan constitutes what is now a Keralite ‘mafia’ in the PMO. In a bureaucratic culture dominated by North Indian Hindi speakers, this Keralite lock on the PM's inner bureaucratic circle represents something of an anomaly, which could in the long term create new faultlines around the Prime Minister.”
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

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India, U.S. faced off on sharing 26/11 information with Pakistan
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During the India-Pakistan standoff in the aftermath of the 26/11 attacks, the Federal Bureau of Investigation helped the two sides share information of each other's investigations.

But India, suspicious of Pakistan's intentions, tried as long as it could to fend off U.S. pressure on information-sharing — before relenting, but with some conditions.

Unhappy about those conditions, the U.S. then sought to work around them through a “broad” reading of the assent.
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In a second cable on January 5 (185722: confidential), Mr. Mulford, sounding defeated, relayed that the Indian government “appears to have withheld consent to share the results of FBI investigations in Mumbai with Pakistan in order to turn over the information as it deemed appropriate.”

He wrote that “the Indians want to control precisely what information reaches Islamabad.”
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Six killed in Karachi violence


KARACHI: At least six people were killed in the last 24 hours in the ongoing spate of violence in the city.

It is pertinent to mention here that 51 people have been killed in the metropolis during the past one week. SAMAA
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Interestingly, looking ahead to the appointment of Mr. Narayanan as the NSA, the Embassy noted in the 2005 cable: “Along with Principal Secretary TKA Nair, Narayanan constitutes what is now a Keralite ‘mafia’ in the PMO. In a bureaucratic culture dominated by North Indian Hindi speakers, this Keralite lock on the PM's inner bureaucratic circle represents something of an anomaly, which could in the long term create new faultlines around the Prime Minister.”
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Great way to divide the country. I think one reason for this takleef is Mr. A. K. Antony, who refuses to be seduced by America's military-industry complex.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Feb. 12, 2

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Wisdom from the chaighar:
Whether it was right or wrong, the fact is that vast majority of the Pakistani population wants Pakistan to be Islamic and ruled under sharia laws. It does not matter what Jinnah thought or Zia-ul-Haq did because the only issue that matters, today, is what does the present generation of Pakistanis want for Pakistan.

Zia-ul-Haq is just a blink of the eye in the narrative and Zia only put the capstone on the work that was started in 1947. In 2011, it really does not matter what was promised in 1947 or what was the reason for Pakistan in 1947. The vast majority of Pakistanis believe that Pakistan was created in the name of Islam and it is their perceptions of Pakistan, which matters and will decide how Pakistan’s future evolves.

This is what the majority of the Pakistanis think and if true democracy is allowed in Pakistan, the majority of the Pakistanis will vote in favor of Islam and sharia. Therefore, true democracy of one person-one vote cannot be allowed to exist in Pakistan. The denial of this demand then creates an emotional and instinctive hatred for the centers of power in Pakistan, which keep proming this eventuality, but do not deliver on it.

The logical outcome of this is a massive sense of alienation between the people and the rulers as their interests in Pakistan and its forms of goverance are diametrically opposed. The electoral dissatisfaction of the Pakistani populace, once it has grown disenchanted of its ruling cadres, automatically sought other alternatives of pursuing their vision of Pakistan.

This vision, then, finds a sense of identity and commonality with the religious parties in Pakistan and thus, the people support the religious parties not because they agree with them, but because the religious parties are seen to be representing the ideas that the people wish to see being implemented.

The ideas in politics are not measured in the grains of reality but in the sands of perception. There are been a silent coup d’ etat in Pakistan and this coup has forever changed the balance of power in Pakistan. This coup has given substance to three new political ideas in Pakistan, which influence the direction of Pakistani politics. These ideas are the people, the mosque and the Pakistani army.

There is a common linkage between these three ideas. The common thread is all of these ideas; the people, the religious right and the army stand for Islam and see Islam as the source of their identities. Not only does this troika see a common purpose between them; they also see any obstacle to this idea as a common threat and they will support each other in order to remove this threat.

Once this new trinty of power is understood in Pakistan, it also explains the fissures in Pakistani society that came to surface in the aftermath of the assassination of Salmaan Taseer and the popular reaction to it. The religious right refused to blame the murder and instead glorified the murderer of Salmaan Taseer and the people cheered their verdict by coming out on the streets in demand for religious laws and army supported all of this by its silence on the matter.

If there was a doubt as to where the Pakistani army’s heart was in the matter, it should have been disspelled by its silence over the killing of Salmaan Taseer and Shahbaz Bhatti. There is a duality in the policies of the Pakistani army vis-a-vis the issue of religion and extermism in Pakistan. Pakistani army encourages religious extermism where it suits its interests, as in the case of patronizing certain religious groups, which are seen as strategic assets and it fights religious extermism, as in the case of the Taliban, where such activities are seen as a threat to its ideas of being govering Pakistan and being the defenders of its “ideological and geographic frontiers”.

The day Salmaan Taseer was killed, January 4th 2011, was the day that Jinnah’s Pakistan and any dream or hope associated with it died. It was on that day that the first shots of this coup were fired which changed Pakistan forever. The Pakistan of today, in the aftermath of the murders of Salmaan Taseer and Shahbaz Bhatti, is a theocratic state dedicated to the principles of sharia and Islam and it refuses to tolerate any more dissent against those ideas.

Pakistan is not at a cross-roads any more, old friend; it has crossed the Rubicon!
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Whatever differences we may or may not have,we have no differences in recogonising the evil that is TSP.
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Cardinal Pakistan aid blast
THE leader of Scotland's Catholics accused the UK Government yesterday of being "anti-Christian" by boosting aid to Pakistan.

Cardinal Keith O'Brien said Foreign Secretary William Hague should have got "guarantees" of religious freedom before he doubled the country's grants to £445million.

And he said a definite commitment to protection for minorities should have been required.

His comments followed last week's assassination of Shahbaz Bhatti, the only Christian minister in Pakistan's government.

The cardinal said: "To increase their aid when religious freedom is not upheld and those who speak up are killed is tantamount to an anti-Christian foreign policy.

"The provision of aid must require a commitment to human rights."

He added: "Christians face violence and death because of their beliefs. This is unacceptable."

The Foreign Office said: "We condemn religious persecution in any form."

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abhishek_sharma wrote:
Interestingly, looking ahead to the appointment of Mr. Narayanan as the NSA, the Embassy noted in the 2005 cable: “Along with Principal Secretary TKA Nair, Narayanan constitutes what is now a Keralite ‘mafia’ in the PMO. In a bureaucratic culture dominated by North Indian Hindi speakers, this Keralite lock on the PM's inner bureaucratic circle represents something of an anomaly, which could in the long term create new faultlines around the Prime Minister.”
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Great way to divide the country. I think one reason for this takleef is Mr. A. K. Antony, who refuses to be seduced by America's military-industry complex.
More than that it shows the racially biased mindset of the US ambassador since one could single out any number of regional subgroups in the government and make the same statement: Christian mafia, Sikh mafia, Bengali mafia, bihari mafia, so on and so forth without end.
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