Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May 2012

[AbhiJ]

Islamic Superpower - Not even in the Top 10 Muslim Countries.

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[jrjrao]

US agenda exposed
http://pakobserver.net/detailnews.asp?id=163992

Trailers of upcoming movie “Last Resort” are already aired and these are available on websites like YouTube. Story of the movie revolves around the crew of submarine who are ordered to launch atomic attack on Pakistan. Their refusal to this order from US govt. unfolds a series of dramatic events....Most of Pakistanis might not like the movie “Last Resort”, but I think it’s a blessing in disguise. It shows us the real worth of Pakistan for US.

[Agnimitra]

Shiv-ji,

All I said was that Pakistan derives its strength from events earlier. Nowhere did I mention that Pakistan ruled India.
To clarify what I said earlier, IMO, Pakis think that if the earlier invading armies could do it, it should be possible for them too. And they will not stop trying.And even if a new entity is born out of a break-up, it will continue that goal.

Neela ji, this is a very important point you make - in understanding the "psychosomatics" of Pakistaniyat.

1. The thing is, the "earlier invading armies" had "done it" mostly to the ancestors of today's Pakis. They were the ones who mostly felt the pain and the humiliation, and all its consequences for individual and collective Memory.

2. This pain-memory has no sense of "time" - i.e. it can restimulate all aspects of the original experience in present-time if any restimulators are present. And in this case all prominent restimulators ARE present, including their own land, the Hindu neighbors, the ashraafs.

3. Subsequently, as multi-valent personalities, when this pain-memory is in restimulation, it provides a seemingly inexhaustible source of energy for the person to "act out". This is important, and is the gist of your post, IIUC. The "power source" for Pakistaniyat is their identification with certain painful historical events - except that instead of identifying with the humiliated valence, they are identifying with the triumphant valence.

4. But that valence manifestation is only the mask, beneath which lies all the subconscious pain, guilt, rage, etc. Without even being in their original valence, they are not even close to diffusing the pain memory and coming to terms with it, thereby denying themselves a psychosomatic release.

5. When such a pain-memory is in chronic restimulation, it leads to illnesses. In the case of an individual it leads to physical illnesses or other conditions. For a society it leads to bouts of violence or a general lethargy and dwindling spiral.

Conclusions:

(a) These pain-memories are deep wellsprings of "power", "inspiration" and "survival potential" for Pakistaniyat that must never be underestimated by its targets. Its the sort of thing that produces Alexanders and Ganghis Khans.

(b) One way to disarm and diffuse Pakistaniyat is by a genuine psycho-spiritual process, but that would require us to build affinity at a mass, people-to-people level. This would be a wonderful thing if it could be done. But the fact that we ourselves are a restimulator makes an approach on this circuit difficult and full of traps. Think of a person trying to play guru to his or her spouse in a violent marriage!

(c) So when that genuineness is not forthcoming, then one must take all precautions to prevent a dramatization of pain-memory -- prevent them from acting out, or punish every such episode. As part of punishment, one could eliminate one-by-one certain obvious restimulators in the environment, such as monuments erected by perpetrators of pain whom they venerate. E.g. the Badshahi Mosque in Lahore, etc. The clinging to physical bodies and perceptics is characteristic of such pain-memory driven identity psychology. Knocking them out may help dissociate such identity.

Punishment and suppression of dramatizations also pushes them down further, though unfortunately it doesn't resolve the problem. But at least it quarantines it ... until such time as the sheer necessity level of survival surges up and dislodges the hold that such pain-memories can have on the psycho-somatic system. Then a space for rational action is created.

[shiv]

All I said was that Pakistan derives its strength from events earlier.

Neela Pakistan derives its strength from a powerful military. No military. No Pakistani strength. It is military power that allows Pakistan to get away with a lot of things. The same military power that was created to help the US against the USSR is used to ensure that India is punished severely for military misadventure. The same military power and training has been used to send 3 army divisions worth of men and arms into Kashmir in 20 years. The same military power trained terrorists that came into Mumbai.

That military has one huge superpower ally. The USA. The USA has supplied F-16s in 2011 and P-3 Orion aircraft in 2012.

Any power that the Mughals may have had was based out of Delhi, or some part of India, not out of Islamabad.

[ramana]

quote="krithivas"Didn't the No-bright Moron Secretary of State claim/allude that the Sikh massacre was engineered by Indian Army?

LeT hand in massacre of J&K Sikhs in 2000: Jundal
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 752888.cms
Albright is another case. But, many Indian WKKs tried to tarnish our own Army. They should all be legally proceeded with for deliberately spreading misinformation.

It was Klinton Sahib in the preface to Madame Secretary book "The Mighty and the Almighty"
half bright always wrong and was right choice for Tweedledee Tweedledum Klinton.

During my visit to India in 2000, some Hindu militants decided to vent their outrage by murdering thirty-eight Sikhs in cold blood.
If I hadn’t made the trip, the victims would probably still be alive. If I hadn’t made the trip because
I feared what religious extremists might do,
I couldn’t have done my job as president of the United States.
The nature of America is such that many people define themselves—or a part of themselves—in relation to it,
for or against. This is part of the reality in which our leaders must operate.

Introduction to The Mighty and the Almighty
by William J. Clinton, 42nd President of the United States

For Allah's Sake, I killed my Fellow Mohmmedians, Not Indian Army

For years, the Army was blamed for the Chhattisinghpora massacre. But now, it now out the bloodbath was orchestrated by Lashkar's operational head, Muzammil Butt.

it was Muzammil, then operating in Kashmir, who along with dozen men in Army fatigues went to the village in Kashmir's Anantnag district on March 25, 2000 and killed 35 Sikhs.

Sources said Jundal's interrogation had revealed that Muzammil, along with his associates, drew all the men of the village out of their homes and asked them to gather near the village gurdwara. The Lashkar men then shot 35 Sikhs in cold blood.

The revelation is significant given that sections of Kashmiri political parties and civil rights activists in the country have always asserted that it was the handiwork of the Indian Army.

Muzammil, who home minister P Chidambaram recently said had replaced Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi as LeT's operational head

[Rangudu]

There have been some major power outages in the US, in the suburbs of Washington, DC. There was a nasty storm the Friday before last and many areas have been out of power for a week or more and that too with temperatures of 100 deg Farenheit or above.

Why is this relevant?

The power company in the area is called Pepco and obviously people are not very fond of it. See this report in the Washington Post.

“I have a lot of people in my district who’ve lived all over the world, and they’ve never seen such unreliable service,” said Montgomery County Council President Roger Berliner (D-Potomac-Bethesda). “People joke about Pepco being the Pakistan Electric Power Company . I’m just so tired of Pepco’s PR. It’s time for performance, not PR.”

[arun]

Didn't the No-bright Moron Secretary of State claim/allude that the Sikh massacre was engineered by Indian Army?

LeT hand in massacre of J&K Sikhs in 2000: Jundal
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 752888.cms

It was Klinton Sahib in the preface to Madame Secretary book "The Mighty and the Almighty"

half bright always wrong and was right choice for Tweedledee Tweedledum Klinton.

During my visit to India in 2000, some Hindu militants decided to vent their outrage by murdering thirty-eight Sikhs in cold blood.
If I hadn’t made the trip, the victims would probably still be alive. If I hadn’t made the trip because I feared what religious extremists might do, I couldn’t have done my job as president of the United States.

The nature of America is such that many people define themselves—or a part of themselves—in relation to it, for or against. This is part of the reality in which our leaders must operate.

Introduction to The Mighty and the Almighty
by William J. Clinton, 42nd President of the United States

Pakistani origin convicted terrorist Daood Sayed Gilani who changed his name to David Coleman Headley, admitted the role of Mohammadden Terrorists in the massacre to our National Investigation Agency (NIA) in the presence of agents of the US investigative agency, the FBI.

See this Hindustan Times report dating back to October 2010:

Lashkar behind Sikh massacre in Kashmir in 2000, says Headley

[ramana]

Did someone notify Halfbright and her ex-boss?

[member_22872]

Pakistani origin convicted terrorist Daood Sayed Gilani who changed his name to David Coleman Headley

arun ji, should have added his US citizenship:
Pakistani origin convicted terrorist Daood Sayed Gilani who changed his name to David Coleman Headley and an American citizen... (brings to fore American link to terrorist act)

[arun]

2 day conference of all Jihadi groups active in JK was organized in Pindi. About 1000 attended with speeches soliciting recruits and money for intensifying JK jihad.

Seems the new ISI chief is settling into his job.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/405671/jiha ... awalpindi/

“Our commanders in Kashmir and Afghanistan say they will carry out big attacks if they are provided with resources. They have the spirit but they are facing a shortage of supplies.”

in Pindi was it inside or just outside GHQ?

7 Security Personnel Killed in Pakistan

Suspected militants attacked a security forces camp near the city of Gujrat in Pakistan’s Punjab province today, killing six soldiers and a policeman.

Five soldiers were injured in the pre-dawn attack, officials said.

TV news channels reported that the security personnel were attacked by a group of gunmen shortly after they had offered their morning prayers. {Allah-o-Akbar. The jihadists have confirmed once again that they are more pious than the PA and Allah is on their side}

The gunmen, who were using cars and motorcycles, fled after the shooting. The military confirmed the incident and the casualties in a brief statement.

It said seven security personnel, including a police official, were killed and five others were injured “due to firing by unknown assailants near Wazirabad”, a town located 12 km from Gujrat city.

The security personnel were part of a small rescue party that had camped on the bank of the Chenab river to search for the body of a pilot mission since a military helicopter crashed on May 23, the statement said.

The attack occurred hours after thousands of supporters of the Defa-e-Pakistan Council arrived in Gujrat as part of a “long march” to protest the government’s decision to reopen NATO supply routes to Afghanistan.

Gratifying to see un-uniformed Jihadi’s who are permitted to operate with impunity in the Garrisson town of Rawalpindi that serves as the Head Quarters of the Army of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan on the expectation that they will target India, take it out on the uniformed Jihadi’s of the Army of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan elsewhere in that country.

[arun]

X Posted from the “Oppression of Minorities in Pakistan” thread.

Excerpt from a letter to the editor of the Express Tribune which is published in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan on the oppressive treatment meted out by the majority Mohammaddens to the minority Kaafir Dhimmi’s:

Pakistan is clearly not a secular state. Consider the following facts which show state-level discrimination based on religion:
1) Pakistan calls itself an ‘Islamic’ republic. By this identity itself people of other faiths are excluded
2) Blasphemy against Islam is punishable by death as per law. Blasphemy against other religions is treated differently.
3) By law, the president and the prime minister must be Muslim.
4) Recently, a lower court ordered that the dome of an Ahmadi ‘place of worship’ be destroyed. This is not consistent with guarantees regarding freedom of worship.
6) There is no process for registering Hindu marriages under Pakistani law.
7) Pakistan’s population of minorities has been reduced from a healthy proportion at the time of independence to two to three per cent of the population now.

Express Tribune

[KLNMurthy]

Until recently, I used to rubbish Jinnah's claims of seeking Pakistan due to the Pakistani Muslims being of a different breed, with their own culture, customs, practices and heroes, as a ruse for his political ambitions. But I have to agree with Jinnah that he was RIGHT! What we have in front of us is a sociological experiment of a breed of people who cannot coexist with anyone else. First it was the Hindus and Sikhs. Next it was the turn of the Christians and Ahmedias. Later it was the Shias. Next up are women. What next? Donkeys, camels, goats ... be warned of the Paki Sunni Muslim male!



I have regretfully come to the same conclusion.

Pakistan is a laboratory of Islam.

Jinnah, thank you: I am not being facetious, thank you again.

Lab needs observers.

If a djinnah builds a laboratory and the experiment succeeds but the world refuses to observe, is it still a laboratory?

[KLNMurthy]

...

I am now more confused than before!
...
Is Israeli lobby the key to declaring Pakistan a terrorist state? If so India has failed.

Israel is in a de facto tactical alliance with the sunni/wahabandi gang against Iran. Pakis are part of this gang.

[KLNMurthy]

We also should not forget a qazi takeover in the short term. This will have to be replaced with the qabila guards taking over in the medium term though.

Wonder if Mushy represents the Indonesia model for unkil: military plus RAPE-equivalent cronies donning the garb of democracy while holding the line on the qadris.

Would explain why mushy is allowed to live and prosper in the west and presented as a kind of statesman-sage.

[RCase]

Islamic Superpower - Not even in the Top 10 Muslim Countries.

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Baah! Butt Pakistan is the top Muslim country in the export of IT and with the fastest growing nuclear arsenal! The DS100 did not consider the growth in quite a few industry segments where Pakistan is numero uno:

1. Education and Training (the martial warrior type, jihadi camps)
2. Gaming Industry (match fixing)
3. Chemicals and Fertilizers (Explosives and IED raw materials)
4. Infrastructure (demolition and destruction)
5. Green Energy (harnessing the power of djinns, cars that run on water/diesel, free hydrogen from water)

[RCase]

Until recently, I used to rubbish Jinnah's claims of seeking Pakistan due to the Pakistani Muslims being of a different breed, with their own culture, customs, practices and heroes, as a ruse for his political ambitions. But I have to agree with Jinnah that he was RIGHT! What we have in front of us is a sociological experiment of a breed of people who cannot coexist with anyone else. First it was the Hindus and Sikhs. Next it was the turn of the Christians and Ahmedias. Later it was the Shias. Next up are women. What next? Donkeys, camels, goats ... be warned of the Paki Sunni Muslim male!



I have regretfully come to the same conclusion.

Pakistan is a laboratory of Islam.

Jinnah, thank you: I am not being facetious, thank you again.

Lab needs observers.

If a djinnah builds a laboratory and the experiment succeeds but the world refuses to observe, is it still a laboratory?

If the experiment succeeds, the laboratory will be destroyed. It is just like cancer. If the cancer succeeds in growing, the person will die.

[Agnimitra]

Lab needs observers.

If a djinnah builds a laboratory and the experiment succeeds but the world refuses to observe, is it still a laboratory?

If the experiment succeeds, the laboratory will be destroyed. It is just like cancer. If the cancer succeeds in growing, the person will die.

No no. KLNMurthy has a point, TSP needs an observer and a "handler".

1. It must be "handled" to keep its tamasha contained within itself. This includes suppression and punishment of its violent dramatizations and delusions, and neutering its "tactical brilliance".

2. It also means that we have to, both, be operating at a higher platform than the Pakrat mindset, and at the same time employ controlled processes on the same mental platform as Pakrats.

If we fail to do either one of the above, then we will also die as that cancer grows -- we will become the brain that succumbs to the weight of the growing tumour.

If TSP is "left to itself" then it would be a big mistake. If TSP is treated solely like a "foe" then that would also be an error.

Rather, we need to "bracket and broadside" it in order to achieve two things:

(a) Push TSP down the scale of activity and potential and send it into disillusion, or even apathy (this is lower than anger, lower than fear);

(b) Increase its necessity level for survival, and approach them with a comprehensive solution on a different circuit than moronic "victory - defeat - surrender" logic.

Its going to be a test for Indic civilization.

[Neela]

All I said was that Pakistan derives its strength from events earlier.

Neela Pakistan derives its strength from a powerful military. No military. No Pakistani strength. It is military power that allows Pakistan to get away with a lot of things. The same military power that was created to help the US against the USSR is used to ensure that India is punished severely for military misadventure. The same military power and training has been used to send 3 army divisions worth of men and arms into Kashmir in 20 years. The same military power trained terrorists that came into Mumbai.
That military has one huge superpower ally. The USA. The USA has supplied F-16s in 2011 and P-3 Orion aircraft in 2012.
Any power that the Mughals may have had was based out of Delhi, or some part of India, not out of Islamabad.

Where was the USA in 1948? It had no backers and yet it managed to usurp Gilgit-Baltistan.
The thing is, I don't know if I am right or wrong - but what I know is that the word infidel and un-believer has been said since 1100 AD to justify wars and I believe it remains a strong force. Carl captured some of it in his post ( in a detailed technical way) . It is a mix of this hate, sheer opportunism and Islam-allows-this-against-kafirs that makes Pakis who they are. I am not sure if USA if removed from the cpicture completely, TSP will suddenly become a reformed state. It will continue to hate India. They have already identified themselves to be part of those who invaded India. That glory of having invaded India earlier , as Carl said, is a source of strength for them. To me, it appears as though the Islamic hordes have temporarily put camp in western border of India.
Some time ago, I wrote that Pakis swore by the Koran and Indians want to swear by secularism - the contrast cannot be more amplified. This is what Tavleen Singh writes:

Only when we recognise that it was an act of war will we begin to start evolving a new strategy to do to deal with the Islamist republic next door.

IMHO, they want a war and will keep pricking till we succumb. India can go to UN VN , IMF, WB - nothing will happen to those who want to fight India.

[abhishek_sharma]

Neela: Brits were playing the role of nanha-US in 1948. However,I agree with the rest of your post.

[rohitvats]

Where was the USA in 1948? It had no backers and yet it managed to usurp Gilgit-Baltistan.
<SNIP>

You might want to read up on certain Major Brown of Gilgit Scouts and his role in capture of Skardu. Also, please do read-up on him being given some sort of Knighthood by the Crown for 'Services' rendered.

[SSridhar]

Some more info. on the attack on PA soldiers case

Meanwhile, the banned Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) claimed responsibility for the killings. The TTP spokesman said the Punjab wing of the group had carried out the attack. They would continue such attacks in the future also, particularly in Punjab, he added.

Condemning the attack, Prime Minister Raja Pervez Ashraf said that such cowardly acts of terrorism would not weaken the resolve of the government to defeat the forces of terrorism and extremism. He said the government was determined to defeat the scourge of terrorism no matter how many sacrifices it had to render. He offered condolences to the bereaved families.

Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif also condemned the attack. {A couple of years back, he had requested the TTP not to target the Punjab because they were with them ideologically} He said those defending the country against terrorism were writing a new history.

The country's "war on terror" alliance with Washington and the reopening of NATO supply routes to Afghanistan is bitterly opposed by the DPC. Their convoy of thousands travelling by bus, truck and car with the protest march stopped for the night in Gujrat, across the river Chenab from Wazirabad.

[anishns]

Aman ka Tamasha.....Jai Ho!!!

These awestruck Indian's should stay there!

Pak hospitality leaves Indians awestruck

[shiv]

I am not sure if USA if removed from the cpicture completely, TSP will suddenly become a reformed state. It will continue to hate India.

The hatred comes from Islam. The military strength comes from the USA. Pakistan derive strength from US support. Not from 700 years of Islam. It is, in my view, only a deep and inexplicable need to act like apologists for the USA that Pakistan's military strength and economic survival is being blamed on India and credit for that strength being given to Islam.

[ManuT]

The issue of apologies

By C Christine Fair

Published: July 10, 2012

http://tribune.com.pk/story/405852/the- ... apologies/

For many Americans, Pakistan got what it deserved after some eleven years of support to those groups attacking US and allied troops occupying Afghanistan.

This sense of accumulated outrage decreased any appetite for apologies.

That this is an election year further compounded the Obama Administration’s considerations.

There is no more appetite for continued engagement of Pakistan among an increasingly broke and war-weary public.

Prior to Salala, Americans were incensed by the revelation that Osama bin Laden had been living in a town a short distance from the Pakistan Military Academy.

While some analysts concede that there is no hard proof that the ISI or other senior leadership knew about Bin Laden’s presence (including this author), many Americans find this hard to believe.

Pakistan has done little to assuage their incredulity.

For example, it has shown no interest in discerning who helped Bin Laden remain in Pakistan undetected for years.

Instead, Pakistan has focused singularly upon a hapless physician who helped bring down Bin Laden.

Former Pakistan Ambassador Husain Haqqani was berated in Pakistan’s media, Supreme Court, khaki circles and parliament for allegedly selling Pakistan’s sovereignty by issuing visas to the various CIA agents who brought down Bin Laden.

No one has bothered to discern who sold out Pakistan’s sovereignty by aiding and abetting Bin Laden’s tenure in the country.

All of this has accumulated in a simmering sense among Americans that it is Pakistan who owes the Americans some apologies.

Having taken more than $22 billion in US taxpayers’ money since 9/11, many believe that Pakistan is more intent on helping our enemies than helping us to defeat them

I think it would worth counting the wet towels thrown in response to this one.

[Altair]

Aman ka Tamasha.....Jai Ho!!!

These awestruck Indian's should stay there!

Pak hospitality leaves Indians awestruck

Classic IFS babu scrooge tactics. They deliberately did not pay today. Pakis being pakis played for the gallery and missed the indian googly.

[Prem]

explain the Chowwriya latta in Tokyo
US asks Pakistan to stop Haqqani network from operating

WASHINGTON: US State Department spokesman Patrick Ventrell, while briefing journalists in Washington said that the Haqqani network was involved in attacks on US troops in Afghanistan and the US wants Pakistan to stop the network’s activities, DawnNews reported.The spokesman added that the same stance had been reiterated during the Tokyo meeting between the Foreign Minister of Pakistan, Hina Rabbani Khar and US Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton.

[SSridhar]

The issue of apologies

By C Christine Fair

While some analysts concede that there is no hard proof that the ISI or other senior leadership knew about Bin Laden’s presence (including this author), many Americans find this hard to believe.

In these cases, getting a 'hard proof' that will stand a rigorous scrutiny of a court of law would be very difficult, if not impossible. However, as I posted earlier, a former PA Chief, no less, has said for a second time within about six months that a very close confidante of Gen. Musharraf, Brig. Ijaz Shah (the ISI handler for Omar Saaed Sheikh to whom the latter surrendered and who protected him for a week before handing him over to GoP, a former IB Chief whom Ms. Bhutto has named as a prime suspect if she were to be killed, a man who paid for Omar Saeed Sheikh's attorney's fees when he was in Tihar jail, a close confidante of Gen. Musharraf, a man who later became Home Secretary of the Punjab province during the period of Daniel Pearl's murder, who was appointed by Gen. Musharraf as Pakistan's High Commissioner to Australia only to be rejected by that country) ensured the safe-keeping of OBL in an IB safe-house at Abbottabad. So, there is more than enough prima facie evidence that Gen. Musharraf was in the loop as far as OBL's safe-keeping went.

Again, one can easily deduce the involvement of other powerful ex PA/ISI officers in OBL's safe-keeping. Just before 9/11 happened in circa 2001, the extremist Dar-ul-Uloom Haqqania madrassah in Peshawar (belonging to Maulana Sami-ul-Haq aka Maulana Sandwich for the positions tha he prefers to assume during certain times) organized a meeting which was attended, among others, by Gen. Hamid Gul, former DG of ISI and Gen. Mirza Aslam Beg, former COAS, wherein a declaration was made to defend Osama bin Laden and attack the Western countries as a sacred duty of Muslims. Jihadi terrorists, armed to the teeth, guarded the venue and Gen. Musharraf's government which had banned public display of weapons did nothing to stop this meeting.

It is very obvious therefore that all top Jihadi Islamists, of both open and closet varieties, were together in 'Project Abbottabad'. If the US wants to 'believe' otherwise for tactical reasons and strategic stupidity, that is quite another matter though.

[kenop]

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[Pranav]

Where was the USA in 1948? It had no backers and yet it managed to usurp Gilgit-Baltistan.
<SNIP>

You might want to read up on certain Major Brown of Gilgit Scouts and his role in capture of Skardu. Also, please do read-up on him being given some sort of Knighthood by the Crown for 'Services' rendered.

Plus Nehru was very amenable to British suggestions, being a product of British brainwashing.

But I agree with Neela's point about psychological motivations.

Since they cannot psychologically cope with the horrors inflicted on their ancestors, they have to identify with the historical oppressors, and release the rage by hating Kaffirs.

[jrjrao]

Here is what I am tellin' you is what really happened.

Five days ago, the scumbags who run the NY Times suddenly woke up in the middle of the night, horridly in despair, and hollering, "where the fick is Pankaj Mishra when we need him this bad"???

They needed PeeMishra bad, real bad -- and as usual, to pee at India.

But PeeMishra was absent this time, and so the scumbags at the NY Times found this Mirza Waheed instead. And the Times then gets what it wants:

Opinion: India’s Blood-Stained Democray
By MIRZA WAHEED

Incredibly, this Waheed pees better for the NY Times than even PeeMishra. To see this, see how he nails the "Indian government" for everything, including for failing the Kashmiri Pandits, who "who fled in 1990 after some were targeted and killed by militants".

Comments to this Mirza Waheed garbage are here:

http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/07/ ... democracy/

[abhijitm]

Neela Pakistan derives its strength from a powerful military. No military. No Pakistani strength. It is military power that allows Pakistan to get away with a lot of things. The same military power that was created to help the US against the USSR is used to ensure that India is punished severely for military misadventure. The same military power and training has been used to send 3 army divisions worth of men and arms into Kashmir in 20 years. The same military power trained terrorists that came into Mumbai.
That military has one huge superpower ally. The USA. The USA has supplied F-16s in 2011 and P-3 Orion aircraft in 2012.

+1.

The same US of A pressuring us to give up strategic relationship and our lifeline trade with Iran, and the same US of A is blatantly arming PA against India; PA who sponsor terrorism in India and responsible for countless murders of Indians.

There is no quid pro quo between USA and India. There is only a height of hypocrisy and arrogance from one side.

[jrjrao]

Oh drat... Now what? Is this the end of Bradfordstan, Birminghamstan and Leicesterstan?

New UK rules to hit Pakistanis hardest

Hopefully, this will also lead to the end of the "grooming" of white teenage girls for sex by Pakistani men in UK.

[Neela]

. It is, in my view, only a deep and inexplicable need to act like apologists for the USA that Pakistan's military strength and economic survival is being blamed on India and credit for that strength being given to Islam.

America is not fighting a war on its border and America has shown what will happen if it is attacked.The USA took the war to where it came from (or very close to it at least ) . It also was duped all along and they are partly stupid. But the intent is there to fight. After a decade, it has learnt and things are beginning to unravel. It still can pull out and it has no territory to lose and it can hurt TSP economically really hard.

We seem to be fighting inside our border. And multiple fronts at that all emanating from the same source.
Sooner or later , whether GoI likes it or not, it will be forced to fight with the Islamist state. Again, this "feigning of rationality, responsible state" done by the Indian state - it really looks clumsy. There is a good chance that is can be misinterpreted as submissive and I fear it has been already. We seem to want international approval for what we are doing. Something as dastardly as Mumbai - and NOTHING has come out of it. You see, what happens when you dont act. A Paki panelist on NDTV says "stop milking 26/11" - that statement does not come out of fear. It comes out of 1) a lack of Indian reaction b) even if it comes , people at the top who were responsible will be unaffected c) contempt and disdain 4) from sheer arrogance when the oppsite party gives a submissive demenour . All these things add up to form the image of us.

Sometime back, there was a discussion about India is not giving Pakistan a reason to fight and the idea behind that was Pakistan would crumble wihtout a reason to unite. I am saying that it will be long before that happens and when it does, there will be something that will come out of it which will still want to fight India. We have to take the fight to foreign lands and keep unrest far away from Indian borders.

[Suppiah]

explain the Chowwriya latta in Tokyo
US asks Pakistan to stop Haqqani network from operating

WASHINGTON: US State Department spokesman Patrick Ventrell, while briefing journalists in Washington said that the Haqqani network was involved in attacks on US troops in Afghanistan and the US wants Pakistan to stop the network’s activities, DawnNews reported.The spokesman added that the same stance had been reiterated during the Tokyo meeting between the Foreign Minister of Pakistan, Hina Rabbani Khar and US Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton.

TSPA/Jehadi terrorist courts have already acted against the Haqqani network comprising of Zardari, Sherry, Groper, Haqqani and Tandapani and others. What more does Unkil want?

[abhijitm]

[url=xxxhttp://dawn.com/2012/07/09/pakistanis-are-second-fastest-growing-race-in-us-says-report/]US getting increasingly infested with pakis[/url]

The per capita income of Pakistani-Americans was USD 24,663 from 2007 to 2009. Poverty rate in Pakistani immigrants hovers around 15 per cent. The research proclaimed that eight per cent of Pakistanis living in the US, aged 16 and above, are unemployed.

It is also proved that 55 per cent of the Pakistani-Americans live in rented premises whereas 14 per cent live in overcrowded households.

The findings of the research proved that Indian-Americans have a very high income scale. Indian-American’s median annual household income is USD 88,000 per annum as compared to USD 66,000 of Asian-Americans excluding pakis here and USD 49,800 of an average American household.

[Aditya_V]

Neela-> One can argue America took the relatively easy option of attacking AFganistan adn Iraq and not Pakis and Saudis who attacked it, it rather appeased them

[pgbhat]

Not worth the time --- By Feisal H Naqvi

Does the Court now have any option but to disqualify the new PM. Yes, it does. What it can and should do is write the damn letter itself and let the Swiss take it over from there. Indeed, Justice Khosa’s famous ‘six options order’ had specifically mentioned this as a possibility.

[Anujan]

^^^
I had suggested tying up the wife and daughter of the PM to a pillar, and threatening dire things to them if the PM does not write the letter.

[shiv]

America is not fighting a war on its border and America has shown what will happen if it is attacked.The USA took the war to where it came from (or very close to it at least ) . It also was duped all along and they are partly stupid. But the intent is there to fight.

Neelaji are you writing this to make me laugh, or are you writing it as an example of what should be done. It sounds like a classic example of screwing oneself while making some people poorer in your country and ensuring that the wrong Pakis get rich and powerful.

Sometime back, there was a discussion about India is not giving Pakistan a reason to fight and the idea behind that was Pakistan would crumble wihtout a reason to unite. I am saying that it will be long before that happens and when it does, there will be something that will come out of it which will still want to fight India. We have to take the fight to foreign lands and keep unrest far away from Indian borders.

From the Indian viewpoint (as I see it) nothing would be better than the US and Pakistan fighting. Is that happening or is that not happening? Should we encourage this happy development or stop the fight and allow Pakistan to concentrate on India?

[joygoswami]

Another Paki Cricketer shows his real-side in UK

A 'star' Pakistani cricketer has been jailed for 20 months for trying to falsely marry a British woman whom he had never met for the sole purpose of gaining permanent residency in the UK.
39-year-old Javid Iqbal, described as a 'star', played for Holmfirth, Skelmanthorpe and Almondbury in the Drakes League.