Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 14 Nov 2013 17:36

negi wrote:
kapilrdave wrote:^^ Mauka koi bhi ho, chhodna nahi chahye
Hamein to iska vipareet bataya gaya tha.

aapko yeh gyan kisne dhiya aur aapne uska kithna paalan kiya? agar kiya hai, tho uska parinaam kya hua?

There is a difference between 'dna' and 'dhna'.

Thats why I write the indian words in english like that. For example, I write 'Hindu' as 'Hindhu'.

BTW, saar, how to write more than one line in location area without messing up the forum format?

Negi saar, really liked your 'location', so I tried to translate it to sanskruth and added a few more lines... Posted it here

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Atri saar,
in maraati, 'pahatha' means 'seeing'? If so, it may directly derived from 'pashya' of Sanskruth.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 14 Nov 2013 17:37

Sushupti wrote:
Modi’s campaign far more successful than sceptics predicted
Vir Sanghvi,

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news-feed ... 50835.aspx

Look in there how these scums started attacking&insulting middle class

Experience has taught us that the middle class is not always right. In fact, when it comes to Indian politics, the commentariat is frequently wrong. The example of the last general election should still be fresh in our minds.

The first is that Modi’s campaign is proving to be far more successful than the sceptics had predicted. He is attracting large crowds in North India and while he is still an old-style demagogue, all dramatic gestures and rhetorical outbursts, the public mood seems to favour demagogues.

Nobody is looking for substance in his speeches or for evidence that he has the intellectual dexterity or experience to lead India in the 21st century.

What is the point of intellectual dexterity, they ask. This is a government led by guys from Cambridge, Harvard and Oxford and look at the mess they have got us into!

India needs pragmatism and direction. And Modi provides that.

negi · Post by **negi** » 14 Nov 2013 17:43

Seh-paathiyo that was tongue in cheek .

Anyways JhoneeG sir your sanksrit is fundoo; did you have it in your curriculum after high school ?

My memory fails me but iirc these lines are from Ramdhari Singh Dinkar's poem or was it Maithilisharan Gupt ?

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 14 Nov 2013 17:52

johneeG wrote:Atri saar,
in maraati, 'pahatha' means 'seeing'? If so, it may directly derived from 'pashya' of Sanskruth.

yes, paahaNe is tadbhava form of pashyati (to see)

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 14 Nov 2013 17:55

vivek.rao saar,
yep saar, I stopped reading that article as soon as I got to that statement about 'Experience has taught us that the middle class is not always right.'
What nonsense! It is the educated middle-class(including the 'internet Hindhu') who are primarily responsible for the rise of Modi in the initial phases. Even today, the educated middle-class forms the major bulwark of Modi's fanbase.

That guy is just talking nonsense! And the self-appointed title of 'intelligentsia'?! Who are they? Who acknowledges them as 'intelligentsia'? The paid-media? or the grand-old-corrupt-party? All these 3 i.e 'intelligentsia', paid-media and grand-old-corrupt-party are equally responsible for the mess that they have made of the desh in the last 60+ yrs.

Middle-class has seen through this nonsense and wants a change. Paid-media is being challenged through social-media, 'intelligentsia's' intelligence is being questioned and grand-old-corrupt party is being challenged through Modi.

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Negi saar,
my sanskruth is very elementary, I am sure there are many grammar mistakes there. But, what the hell, I am trying to (re)learn Sanskruth, so besharmly posted that poem. We had it in curriculum in school and college(inter i.e. +2), but it was all ratta maro(by-heart) onlee saar. Didn't learn the language at the time. Now, I am trying to (re)learn. I thought the best way is to translate some poems. So, doing so with old Hindhi songs on and off.

But, how to write more than one line in location area without messing up the forum format? Bliss to answer this question...

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 14 Nov 2013 18:08

kapilrdave wrote:
negi wrote:Hamein to iska vipareet bataya gaya tha.
lahol-wila-kuvat . Ye aaj kal ke mushdande, i tell you.... ho gaya "bharat nirman"...

I always suspected Negi believes in vipareet reeti onlee.

negi · Post by **negi** » 14 Nov 2013 18:30

JohneeG you just have to type it in single line , text box will format it on it's own. I did not test it for character limit though

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 14 Nov 2013 18:40

#TeaboyStorm is trending on twitter... quite a lag from Naresh Agarwal's comments... wonder if something else happened meanwhile...

Anyway, bjp should zimbly setup such stuff around tea stalls (of vendors who are willing only, of course) in all major and minor towns... nice use of real estate for the adverts...

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 14 Nov 2013 19:43

johneeG wrote: Didn't learn the language at the time. Now, I am trying to (re)learn. I thought the best way is to translate some poems. So, doing so with old Hindhi songs on and off.

That is one heck of a task for a learner. That might give you pee yehh dee if you do it seriously.
Reminds me of a funny advertise - 'bade aaram se'

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Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 14 Nov 2013 19:48

Hari Seldon wrote:
Anyway, bjp should zimbly setup such stuff around tea stalls (of vendors who are willing only, of course) in all major and minor towns... nice use of real estate for the adverts...

[img https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZCPnSNCYAE0VvA.jpg:large[/img]

Possible only in NDA ruled regions. Tea stalls of desi kind dont have much paperwork and exist onlee on the meherbani of the pulice and local strong men . So out of question in urban centers - may be possible in village centers of non NDA ruled states though.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 14 Nov 2013 19:52

Hari Seldon, How about setting a barometer of Modi factor by indexing the number of presstitutes/gas bag statements per week?

Sushupti can collect the tweets from such chracters. And others can collect the different articles and video interviews.

M Joshi · Post by **M Joshi** » 14 Nov 2013 20:25

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 14 Nov 2013 21:37

hope may kuch nahi chalega.. do a network management - get people understand enough is enough of dynasty.. and here is one person who we should and must try out for change.

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 14 Nov 2013 22:08

Why the hell is Sushma Swaraj harping again on Sonia-Italy-PM-not-acceptable theme of 10 years ago? She is a liability which should be kicked out of BJP asap.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 14 Nov 2013 22:13

Can Sushma Swaraj do anything without BRF coming down on her about D4, etc? I mean, if she criticizes Sonia, she is D4. if she doesn't criticize Sonia, she is D4. if she talks about Sonia's foreign status, she is D4. exactly what should Swaraj say, that will stop us from constantly bringing up D4? this is ridiculous. there should be limits. and knowing which battles to fight is one of them. she should be criticized for right reasons, including colluding with INC bigwigs. but within reason, and with facts on our side. the above is just totally inane.

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 14 Nov 2013 22:18

She also said that her relationship with Sonia is 'sahaj aur sabhya'. Whatever that means?

Not once has SS actually went all out & attacked the queen bee and the fact that SS has no cases/fixes pending from Congress is proof for me that INC doesn't consider SS a threat. Anybody in BJP who cannot be a threat to the fascist, nazi dynasty is persona non grata for me.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 14 Nov 2013 22:27

It's good to have several apparently independent power centers in BJP, as it allows the party a higher level of freedom to do Taqiyya politics with other parties.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 14 Nov 2013 22:51

One test of 'mythical' D4 action is the context and the fallout of the action. D4 expected behavior is to help INC.
By reviving the dead issue of Sonia's foreign origins, which has been accepted/condoned by the samaj, for one doesn't question a bhau, she is giving a sympathy card for SG.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 14 Nov 2013 22:55

ramana wrote:By reviving the dead issue of Sonia's foreign origins, which has been accepted/condoned by the samaj, for one doesn't question a bhau, she is giving a sympathy card for SG.

Out of personal interest I would welcome such an attitude of embrace and affection. But Chanakya uvacha:

SagarAg · Post by **SagarAg** » 14 Nov 2013 23:07

Gus wrote:when is delhi state elections? friend of mine if going to help AAP in their campaign...as in taking leave from work and going to delhi. I asked him about the possibility of anti-congress votes getting split and AAP might help Congress indirectly by this...he says Delhi BJP is useless and he still supports NM for PM..

I think the Delhi elections are on Dec 4. Tell your friend by supporting BJP in Delhi he will actually be supporting NaMo for PM of Bharat. Tell your friend to read:
http://www.newslaundry.com/2013/10/shaz ... ncensored/
http://www.aamaadmiparty.org/news/aap-s ... khan-issue
http://www.mediacrooks.com/2013/11/desp ... oling.html

See this:

Then watch this:
http://bitcast-b.bitgravity.com/ndtvod/ ... _99907.mp4 (Dr. Harsh Vardhan on National Reporter)

Especially the last question "What is the slogan of Dr. Harsh Vardhan?" Notice the interruption in between by the reporter "Will Narendra Modi get victory for BJP in Delhi" trying to put words in mouth of Dr. Harsh Vardhan.

The idea is simple. MSM don't gives a rat's ass about AAP, so why they are given so much media coverage/space. The answer is quiet clear. All roads lead to one Man, Narendra Modi. Its to counter the NaMo wave. MSM have all planned out.
MP and Chhattisgarh victory for BJP will be credited to good governance by the respective state BJP leadership negating NaMo wave. Rajasthan victory will credited to anti-incumbency and corrupt Khangress govt there again negating NaMo wave.

Its Delhi where the game lies for the crooked MSM. If by any chance CONgress is back to power in Delhi our MSM will be all out diminishing Namo wave not just in Delhi but across India. Making corruption/mis governance void as an electoral issue. If AAP gets the votes the media houses will sensationalize that younger generation, first time voters, lower/upper/middle class are not with BJP in turn with NaMo and that metros across India are unaffected by NaMo wave.

The one point agenda of every patriotic nationalist Indian should be CONgress Mukth Bharat. AAP is not helping in this cause either by doing the monkey balancing act between BJP and CONgress. Its the need of the hour. We have waited 66 years for it. Its a long time to realize our dreams and aspirations for our country's future. This is the one opportunity we have got after 66 years of independent India and we MUST utilize to the core. The onlee yodha who can deliver it for us is Shri Narendra Modi ji.

By voting for AAP people may feel a sense of flawed morality. But it will be nothing more than that of candle march to India Gate during protests. A wasted opportunity to uproot the cause of all evils CONgress. In fact people will be benefiting CONgress. They will be falling in the trap set by MSM's.

By voting for BJP in Delhi and giving it a thumping victory the common man will be giving a tight slap on the faces of all these media houses and CONgress who will go to any lengths and breadths to stop NaMo from reaching the Delhi Sultanat.

Their crooked plans will bite the dust and NaMo wave will grip them across all fronts.

This will be the laying foundation of CONgress Mukth Bharat.This will truly be the real victory of Aam Aadmi.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 14 Nov 2013 23:13

Interesting idea by Ramdas (one of the better leaders in BJP in Karnataka, by the way). He is walking with his group from Mysore to Bangalore, drumming up support for the BJP and Modi, along the way.

http://www.starofmysore.com/main.asp?ty ... item=38213

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 14 Nov 2013 23:22

RajeshA, Nice sentiment but Mrs G should have been careful when she agreed to her bahu. The horse bolted long back. At that time Rajiv was no where on the political radar as he was Indian Arilines pilot.
He got into politics when his younger brother dien in the plane crash. And the dilli billis aointed him as PM
Even if the above quote is correct, raising it now among the deracinated public only generates sympathy for SG.

member_22872 · Post by **member_22872** » 14 Nov 2013 23:56

RajeshA ji, could you please tweet that? is that possible? not a titar literate here. But then they might say SG is not patni anymore....vo ek maa hain...the "maa" sentiment.

SagarAg · Post by **SagarAg** » 15 Nov 2013 00:10

Was this posted here. Gr8 article to stamp on the faces of all those bring up Godhra issue. In fact any issue concerning NaMo.
modi-phenomenon-propaganda-or-reality

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 15 Nov 2013 00:23

Remember "What will Modi do for S.TN" on this thread.
Well forget S.TN. But here is a name of a person of Tamil lineage from Anuradhapura in SL. "Dhwaraka". Enough said.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 15 Nov 2013 01:21

Trouble brewing for the Congress in Haryana?

Interestingly, in the run up to the preparations for the rally, there were no visible posters of either Congress president Sonia Gandhi or vice president Rahul Gandhi and even the speeches of both Hooda and son Deepender Singh Hooda made no mention of either Sonia or Rahul even as the chief minister listed his own achievements in running the state.

Haryana is flanked by Delhi on one side and Rajasthan on the other, and with high-voltage elections on in both the states, political observers are taken aback at the timing of the rally and why it should be held in this way without any particular presence of senior leadership from the Centre.

All India Congress Committee general secretary in-charge of Haryana Shakeel Ahmed was present on the dias, but spoke very briefly without saying anything much. Two important leaders of the state Selja Kumari and Virender Singh were absent.

According to a senior congress leader it was obviously a show to send the message to Delhi that they should not mess with him and he has his own power and can stand on his own also if a decision is taken to change him, as is speculated from time to time.

The rally was clearly not a ‘Congress’ show. It was Hooda’s own. He had even distributed "gulabi pagdi" (pink turbans) among thousands of supporters

It is no secret that Rahul is not happy with Hooda’s leadership, as a large number of senior leaders have complained against him over a period of time; but like Rajasthan Chief Minister Ashok Gehlot, he has continued to be in power.

Senior leaders say part of the reason is also the windfall gains made by Robert Vadra in both Rajasthan and Haryana and the question being asked is whether their survival or remaining in power is connected to the benefits accrued to Vadra.

It is also interesting that just the next day after the rally, Rahul had a review meeting on Haryana which he takes with all states and where goals for the next three months are put in place.

This time, he told Hooda that within the next three months he must ensure that 3 n non-Jat leaders are given leadership status. Rahul has obviously taken the complaints against Hooda seriously that he only patronises the Jats and that non-Jats are ignored and are not included in any meaningful exercise.

While Hooda is obviously flexing his muscles by showcasing his Jat support base, Rahul is clearly spelling out that non-Jats will also have to be taken on board. The impression is gaining ground that National Lok Dal leader Om Prakash Chautala would be the real beneficiary of the Jat support, since Hooda is limited to the Rohtak belt and has little support beyond that.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 15 Nov 2013 02:42

If any creative minds are out there, may be we should make a video on little chai boy delivering tea braving all kinds of weather where loot maro Italian looting

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 15 Nov 2013 02:42

SagarAg: This message that AAP will be used to slowdown NaMo needs to be spread.
There are three weeks and lot can change...

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 15 Nov 2013 02:52

devesh wrote:Can Sushma Swaraj do anything without BRF coming down on her about D4, etc? I mean, if she criticizes Sonia, she is D4. if she doesn't criticize Sonia, she is D4. if she talks about Sonia's foreign status, she is D4. exactly what should Swaraj say, that will stop us from constantly bringing up D4? this is ridiculous. there should be limits. and knowing which battles to fight is one of them. she should be criticized for right reasons, including colluding with INC bigwigs. but within reason, and with facts on our side. the above is just totally inane.

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/agenda ... o-featured

Watch 12:54 onwards. How she is being quoted as an exemplar to be emulated by uncultured people like Modi.Also,it comes from BJP spokes person, first time, that she is D4.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 15 Nov 2013 03:17

. Yesterday, it was with Shivraj Singh which i can understand. But why with Sushama? what role she is playing to deserve this honor generally reserved for Congi CMs. Is it to make Modi feel jealous so he grants an interview?

Election-nama with Sushma Swaraj

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/the-bu ... o-featured

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 15 Nov 2013 04:27

BETTER TO SELL TEA THAN NATION (Comment on rediff- not original)

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 15 Nov 2013 04:46

venug wrote:RajeshA ji, could you please tweet that? is that possible? not a titar literate here. But then they might say SG is not patni anymore....vo ek maa hain...the "maa" sentiment.

I've already retweeted that!

syele · Post by **syele** » 15 Nov 2013 05:01

That Haryana situation is another page in Congress's decline. Janata Dal, NCP, YSRCP etc are its predecessors. If Gandhis lose next election, they will give birth to more regional congresses.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 15 Nov 2013 06:09

DDM wrote:Nobody is looking for substance in his speeches or for evidence that he has the intellectual dexterity or experience to lead India in the 21st century.

What is the point of intellectual dexterity, they ask. This is a government led by guys from Cambridge, Harvard and Oxford and look at the mess they have got us into!

India needs pragmatism and direction. And Modi provides that.

hang on...wait a minute...not so fast

WHAT intellectual dexterity was provided by sonia, mms and rahul, that modi is lacking.

member_22539 · Post by **member_22539** » 15 Nov 2013 06:25

^The intellectual dexterity to worm themselves to power, rob astronomical amounts and keep robbing for 10 years.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 15 Nov 2013 07:27

Modi for early Yeddy return

New Delhi, Nov. 14: Narendra Modi is goading his BJP colleagues to take an early decision on B.S. Yeddyurappa’s re-induction.

It has been learnt that rather than have Yeddyurappa back with his party as an NDA constituent, Modi wants his fledgling outfit, the Karnataka Janata Paksha (KJP), to be merged with the BJP.

Yeddyurappa was initially averse to the idea. But sources close to him said he was convinced by his son Raghavendra, a Lok Sabha MP, that re-joining the BJP was the best option.

“Yeddyurappa is 70. His son thought at this age, he is not in a position to build a party, raise resources, organise cadres.... They felt it was better he returned to the BJP,” a source said.

The BJP had reservations on other scores. It felt if Yeddyurappa came back as the head of an NDA constituent, he would have the same status as the other coalition leaders like Parkash Singh Badal (Akali Dal) and Uddhav Thackeray (Shiv Sena).

“That thought discomfited those leaders who remain opposed to him because they visualised Yeddyurappa seated next to Advani in an NDA meeting as an equal. But a more serious reason is that if he remained outside the BJP, he could continue to damage its prospects in the Lok Sabha polls in the seats contested by the BJP. Our information is the Congress has tapped him for help,” a source said.

Party sources said a “formal” decision could be taken in the first week of December.

Yeddyurappa quit the BJP in November 2012, nearly six months before the Karnataka elections, and floated the KJP.

Although the KJP won just six seats, it damaged the BJP in several places dominated by Yeddyurappa’s Lingayat caste.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1131115/j ... 571475.jsp

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 15 Nov 2013 07:33

This will a coup

Amethi insider challenge buzz
TAPAS CHAKRABORTY

Lucknow, Nov. 14: Amethi is aflutter, guessing whether Rahul Gandhi will witness a slice of family history repeat itself as a tragedy or a farce.

The Gandhi pocket borough is watching with some trepidation the moves of Sanjay Singh, the sitting Congress MP from nearby Sultanpur, whose presence at recent BJP events and utterances have fuelled speculation that he is about to jump ship and contest against Rahul from Amethi next year.

The 62-year-old — born into a family that once ruled Amethi but with a reputation as a party-hopper over the past two decades — had contested from Amethi against Rajiv Gandhi in 1989 as a Janata Dal candidate but lost. In 1999, he was pitted against Sonia Gandhi on a BJP ticket and lost again.

This time, the buzz has been sparked by an event on Monday when Singh shared the dais with some BJP leaders in Amethi. At the meeting, held on his birthday, the Congress leader said development works were not satisfactory in the constituency.

As the comments fuelled speculation about his plans, Singh was asked about it. “I have not quit politics. Wait for sometime. Everything will be clear once the list of candidates for the Lok Sabha polls become public,” local media quoted him as saying. He hasn’t denied the statement yet.

A senior BJP leader said: “Negotiations are on with Sanjay Singh for his candidacy from Amethi but nothing has been finalised yet.” Calls to Singh went unanswered.

But central Congress leader Madhusudan Mistry claimed Singh had told him the reports were “planted”. “Sanjay Singh rang me up to say the reports are planted,” PTI quoted the AICC general secretary as saying in Delhi.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1131115/j ... 571489.jsp

KLP Dubey · Post by **KLP Dubey** » 15 Nov 2013 08:32

Sushupti wrote:This will a coup

The Gandhi pocket borough is watching with some trepidation the moves of Sanjay Singh, the sitting Congress MP from nearby Sultanpur, whose presence at recent BJP events and utterances have fuelled speculation that he is about to jump ship and contest against Rahul from Amethi next year.

Isn't this the same dude who was charged in the badminton player Syed Modi murder case ? IIRC he was on the DL with the badminton player's wife. Seems like a typical congress thug with criminal mentality. I hope Narendra Modi will have nothing to do with this guy.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 15 Nov 2013 08:37

member_22539 · Post by **member_22539** » 15 Nov 2013 09:00

^Translation please or at least a summary.