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Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 08 Mar 2011 22:21
by vijayk
Check this about undyTV and the chor Roys ...
http://www.sunday-guardian.com/investig ... saved-roys
NDTV Limited and associate companies in which Prannoy Roy and Radhika Roy have a majority stake have indulged in financial misdemeanours and malpractices in connivance with ICICI Bank, and raised funds by misdeclaration of the value of shares in NDTV. These shares were held by a company called RRPR Holding Private Limited. The deal took place between July and October 2008 during a "buyback" of shares from the stock market announced by NDTV Limited at the price of Rs 439 per share.
The collateral of the India Bulls loan, therefore, depreciated, compelling India Bulls to recall the loan. NDTV did not have the money to do so. They approached ICICI Bank to lend them money. ICICI gave a loan of Rs 375 crores in October 2008 against the collateral of 47,41,721 shares held by RRPR, at an average price of Rs 439, representing a gross value of Rs 208 cr.
This was the first financial malfeasance, since the worth of the collateral was far less than the amount given. This was further compounded by what can only be described as financial chicanery, since the price of the shares given as collateral was not Rs 439 but was actually Rs 99 in the market, as of 23 October 2008. The gross value of the collateral was only Rs 46.94 crores, or one-eighth of the loan given. ICICI, a publicly traded company in which the government and its institutions have a substantial stake, therefore accepted a lie purveyed by Prannoy Roy and Radhika Roy, the only two shareholders in RRPR. It is also important to note that RRPR did not own a single NDTV share before July 2008, authorised and subscribed capital of a mere Rs 1 lakh.
Shockingly, just days after the disbursal of the monies, one of the directors of RRPR Holding [there were only two directors, the husband-wife team of Roys], was granted an interest-free loan of Rs 73.91 crores from the funds that had suddenly come into this inert company through the ICICI loan. The ICICI loan was an open violation of the SARFAESI Act of 2002.
To put this malfeasance in context, last month CBI arrested eight senior managers of LIC and other banks for a loan scam amounting to Rs 2000 crores in multiple transactions. NDTV has been a frequent borrower abroad, and also selling stakes in subsidiaries abroad and repurchasing these shares through various interested parties at prices that have no relationship to actual market values. For instance, NDTV Imagine [now sold] shares representing a face value of Rs 10, were sold at Rs 776. The benefit of such high premium obtained by these shares has not reached the Indian investors in the company. NDTV shares, on the other hand, are slipping even further, and losses rising. Its business overseas is through subsidiaries, which conduct financial dealings through accommodation addresses; one is 90 High Holborn, London.
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 08 Mar 2011 22:24
by vijayk
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 09 Mar 2011 05:11
by ramana
More confirmation:
Blame the PM
It is well-known that Thomas was not the PM's candidate for the CVC job. (Thomas's response to the PMO pressure is revealing but awaits disclosure another time.) Thomas's appointment was decided outside the government and the PM was meant merely to execute the decision. It is made out that the relevant alleged corruption charges against Thomas were not on file at the time of considering his CVC appointment.
Even if this is true, who tampered with the file? The file belonged to the Department of Personnel and Training which is under the PM. So is it the case that the PM did not know about the tampering in a department in his direct charge? That is a little hard to believe. It is impossible to accept that anyone can get away tampering files under the PM's nose, as it were. If that is indeed what happened, is Manmohan Singh worthy of remaining PM?
......
Deep within, the PM believes that his image of personal incorruptibility will ride him through. But how is Manmohan Singh clean when he knew extra-constitutional forces wanted Thomas as CVC and did their bidding? What would happen if Manmohan Singh refused? Probably his days as PM would be numbered. So to remain prime minister, he condones every wrongdoing: 2G, CWG, Adarsh, the AntrixDevas deal; a crook like Hasan Ali becomes immune from prosecution. And the PM stakes his reputation to appoint a dubious CVC.
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 09 Mar 2011 08:09
by krisna
Waiting for India’s request in Hasan Ali case:Swiss
Switzerland on Wednesday said it was waiting for a “complete” request from India seeking help in probe against Hasan Ali Khan, even as the domestic enforcement agencies tightened their noose on the farm owner accused of having billions of dollars of black money in Swiss banks
The Indian government had first sought freezing of Mr. Khan’s bank accounts in Switzerland way back in 2007. It had made several requests since then to the European country for help in probe against the Pune-based businessman, accused of having massive illicit wealth in foreign banks.
However, Swiss authorities have rejected all requests, saying they did not conform to necessary grounds for mutual assistance in this particular case and have asked India to submit a fresh request with certain facts and details.
whom to believe- GOI made requests but swiss turned down or is it GOI deliberately made such requests that it will be turned down by swiss.
In reply to this request, the Swiss Ministry, the Federal Department of Justice of Switzerland, had said that India needed to submit a “complete” request by corroborating about issues like suspected tax frauds to get the assistance.
However, the request has not been completed so far, the spokesperson for Swiss Law Ministry said and added that “Indian authorities may complete their request at any time.”
Supreme court is forcing the issue with the GOI.
what does the swiss want in the requests-These specific details included a confirmation that the Indian investigation is a criminal one (no tax or related investigation), a better description of the predicate offences which are object of the Indian money-laundering investigation and to show the relation between the predicate offences and the accounts in Switzerland. “Without these information the Swiss authorities cannot examine whether the conditions to grant legal assistance are fulfilled or not. Indian authorities have not submitted the necessary specification so far,” he added.
This will be difficult to prove as anyone illegally stashing money in swiss is likely related to tax purposes- majority of times.
In the same month (August 2010), the FoJ told the Indian authorities: Switzerland does not grant mutual assistance for tax evasion. However, mutual assistance may be granted in cases of tax fraud (fraudulent evasion of duty and taxes by using false, forged or untrue information, documents etc.)” the official said.
Hope SCI tightens the screws in GOI.
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 09 Mar 2011 08:16
by Sushupti
Swami Ramdev in show Aap Ki Adalat
http://www.haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.a ... 395&SKIN=B
Watch second video
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 09 Mar 2011 11:46
by Murugan
In Hindi
http://www.bhaskar.com/article/chh-rai- ... 17353.html
काले धन को टैक्स चोरी बताकर भ्रम पैदा कर रही है सरकार: रामदेव
उन्होंने संयुक्त राष्ट्र संघ द्वारा 140 देशों के हस्ताक्षर से पारित प्रस्ताव कन्वेंशन अगेंस्ट करप्शन के तहत सरकार द्वारा अब तक पुष्टि नही किए जाने को भी गलत करार दिया। ज्ञातव्य है कि यह वहीं प्रस्ताव है जिसके जरिए विदेशों से कालाधन वापस स्वदेश लाया जा सकता है।
बाबा ने बड़े नोटों को समाप्त किए जाने पर भी बल दिया। उन्होंने कहा सरकार वेश्यावृत्ति, समलाकंगिक तथा लिविंग रिलेशन शिप आदि के हित में कानून बनाकर इस पापों को जायज ठहराने की वकालत तो करती है परंतु गो हत्या तथा शराब जैसे दुष्कर्म को वैधता प्रदान करती है।
उन्होंने कहा कि देश में गरीबी, अशिक्षा, बेरोजगारी, नक्सल वाद, जनसंख्या सहित तमाम समस्याओं का मूल कारण भ्रष्टाचार तथा विकास का अभाव है। बाबा रामदेव ने कहा यदि समय रहते भ्रष्टाचार को समाप्त करने सरकार कोई ठोस कार्यवाही नहीं करती है तो हम केंद्र सरकार के खिलाफ ऐसा अभियान शुरु करेंगे कि उसका असली चेहरा एवं चरित्र देश के सामने आ जाएगा।
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 09 Mar 2011 13:37
by James B
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 09 Mar 2011 14:08
by Venkarl
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 09 Mar 2011 16:46
by James B
New pickle (achar) in the market that will never spoil.

Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 09 Mar 2011 18:00
by Pranav
AnimeshP wrote:This had me
Sonia blames PMO for CVC mess
The Congress core group, which met here on 4 March to take stock of the Supreme Court verdict quashing the appointment of Central Vigilance Commissioner PJ Thomas, is understood to have directed Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to revamp the Prime Minister's Office (PMO).
Sonia said the conduct of the officers in the PMO must be probed because their wrong advice has been repeatedly putting the Congress in a difficult position, the sources added.
Jai Ho !!
PM blames Prithviraj Chavan for Thomas fiasco -
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 659722.cms
Chavan is a Sonia man who was also named in the ISRO spectrum scam.
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 09 Mar 2011 19:33
by chaanakya
I was watching PM statement in Parliament.
It is one of those rare moments in Parliamentary history when PM owns up only to blame Minister for State and a Department.Did he change the secretary of the Dept??
Must be peeved by blame on PMO officials.
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 09 Mar 2011 21:26
by ramana
Again guys, the system has many operatives. Blaming MMS will not cut ice. Its the low level guys who do the scams with the support of the 2Gs. The PM really cant do anything to folks under the 2Gs patronage. And him resigning in a huff will leave the governance even weaker with more corrupt and venal folks in charge. Atleast by his inability we are seeing who is the real corrupt folks. With 2Gs in charge we would never see anything like that. Its clear that Chavan had the file doctored prior to the Cabinet approval of PJ Thomas as CVC. And hence Thomas turned out to be Poor Joke on India. And Chavan was also the guy who enabled the ISRO spectrum scam.
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 09 Mar 2011 21:33
by Virupaksha
ramana wrote:Again guys, the system has many operatives. Blaming MMS will not cut ice. Its the low level guys who do the scams with the support of the 2Gs. The PM really cant do anything to folks under the 2Gs patronage. And him resigning in a huff will leave the governance even weaker, with more corrupt and venal folks in charge. Atleast by his inability we are seeing who is the real corrupt folks. With 2Gs in charge we would never see anything like that. Its clear that Chavan had the file doctored prior to the Cabinet approval of PJ Thomas as CVC. And hence Thomas turned out to be Poor Joke on India. And Chavan was also the guy who enabled the ISRO spectrum scam.
so basically you are saying that MMS is the super duper paper name with no power of the casino.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casino_%28film%29
2Gs are the "owners" and we are yet to know the robert di nero, who runs the affairs.
If that is the case, why should we stop someone if he wants to tarnish MMS??
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 09 Mar 2011 21:40
by ramana
Because its wasted thunderbolts. Brutus fulmen.
Direct them at real culprits.
The game is to put non impactable as a lightning arrestor. This way the 2Gs and their minions can say "tchi, tchi you are saying bad things to a honest man. Shame on you!" and public will agree with them that MMS is honest. This begs the question then who is enabling all these scams and who benefits? Quo bono? Its the 2Gs.
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 09 Mar 2011 21:49
by chaanakya
ramana wrote:Because its wasted thunderbolts. Brutus fulmen.
Direct them at real culprits.
The game is to put non impactable as a lightning arrestor. This way the 2Gs and their minions can say "tchi, tchi you are saying bad things to a honest man. Shame on you!" and public will agree with them that MMS is honest. This begs the question then who is enabling all these scams and who benefits? Quo bono? Its the 2Gs.
Its sad indeed, but I agree here with you. MMS as lightening arrester. That has been happening for quite sometime.
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 09 Mar 2011 21:54
by Virupaksha
The owners, 2Gs will come out only if the "money bags" stop coming and I cant see an approach which does that.
The "paper owner" MMS is protecting Robert Di Nero, the actual player, and until we find them. We have only 3 names.
i) The owners, 2Gs
ii) "paper owner" MMS.
iii) The minions / muscle - A.raja, Kalmadi and so on.
- 2Gs are protected because "they have full power but no responsibility", i.e. the only connection is money bags and nobody is in a position to stop them. All they have to say is, "we are not in govt"/"we are not involved in casino".
- The minions/ muscle are replaceable and any loss of these people will be filled without any even a loss of continuity.
- MMS, Brutus fulmen, all the same but is having his own clean name tarnished.
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 09 Mar 2011 21:55
by Sushupti
Behind the patch-up
The newspapers dutifully frontpaged that Sonia had put the "prestige" of the "Indian National Congress" before the survival of the UPA government -- and won.
Well, not quite.
To start with, no one is very sure what started the Congress-DMK fracas that boiled to a point when Karunanidhi ordered his Central ministers to resign. It would appear to be the three extra seats' demand of the Congress which the press attributed to the home minister, P.Chidambaram.
But there's an extra layer to that.
A view emerging from the Congress camp is that the party got aggressive with the CBI interrogation of M.Kanimozhi in the 2G scam to pressure the DMK on the extra seats. The coterie around Sonia Gandhi is being identified with this pressure tactic.
It is the disastrous prospect of Kanimozhi's CBI questioning that apparently enraged Karunanidhi against the UPA's Central leadership. Karunanidhi dotes on his daughter and fears the end of her political career should she be interrogated by the CBI.
So when the DMK-Congress seat-sharing talks hit a low and Karunanidhi ordered his Central ministers to resign, the ruling party sent emissaries to cool the Tamil Nadu chief minister. He would have nothing to do with them.
Karunanidhi apparently specified for Pranab Mukherjee to be sent. When the finance minister met him, he had an inkling of what to expect. Being shrewd, he realized Karunanidhi was rattled about Kanimozhi. Therefore, according to inside Congress information, he carried assurances from the UPA-Congress leadership that his daughter would be spared.
The moment Karunanidhi met Mukherjee, the chief minister took the offensive.
He "shouted" at the finance minister. He said the DMK stood with the Congress unlike other coalition partners who were daily creating trouble for it.
"Isn't there an NCP scam? Aren't Congress ministers making money? Why are you targeting the DMK?" This was generally the line of Karunanidhi's complain. Then the conversation turned to Kanimozhi.
Pranab Mukherjee said that the 2G inquiry was being monitored by the Supreme Court. The government could do little about influencing it. The bottomline was that Kanimozhi had to meet her fate.
This apparently infuriated Karunanidhi.
"Don't teach me politics," he is reported to have said. "I have been chief minister five times."
Eventually, Pranab Mukherjee left the meeting giving the assurance -- which he carried -- that Kanimozhi would be protected.
After that, Sonia's meeting in Delhi with Karunanidhi's emissaries was a formality. She may have complained about the DMK hurting the "prestige" of the "Indian National Congress" -- as if all that has transpired in the serial scams have lifted its image. But it was not in the nature of a challenge to the DMK to do its worst as the Congress spin managers would have you and I believe.
And insiders say Sonia resisted till the last sending Pranab Mukherjee to negotiate with Karunanidhi. She feels she is getting too dependent on the finance minister to, so to speak, pull her chestnuts out of the fire.
But once Karunanidhi insisted on meeting Pranab Mukherjee, there was no option.
Several larger issues are raised by the Congress-DMK break-and-make.
But what is especially revelatory to this writer is that the looters have begun to fight over the spoils.
Only this way will the scams come to light. Supreme Court anti-corruption activism and press exposes (rare now), unfortunately, count as aberrations.
http://www.newsinsight.net/archivedebat ... recno=2114
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 09 Mar 2011 22:01
by RamaY
chaanakya wrote:
Its sad indeed, but I agree here with you. MMS as lightening arrester. That has been happening for quite sometime.
There are two approaches to this.
1. Barking at lightening arrester and get him kicked out. That would force the 2Gs to take power directly or put another dupe in place. Keep repeating this until 2G is exposed.
2. Falling for the 2G game by not barking at the lightening arrester. That is exactly what they want. How can one expose a 2G player; that too when they don't have a direct connection?
The only solution is to take out all dummys and force 2G to show face. There is no other way. That is why MMS has to get out of the place, taking as much muck as he can; that too if he is a real lightening arrester to start with. If not he should expose everyone else (I presume at least the lightening arrester knows who are his true bosses).
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 09 Mar 2011 22:07
by svenkat
Kiran Karnik makes the case that in 2003 there were nobody else who had the technology,which he claims was a new and innovative one.There was no one else in the queue.So auction/corruption does not arise.Can gurus comment?
Pranab Mukherjee did not meet Mu.Ka.in person after the 'pull out'.It is the fertile imagination of the reporter.
Regarding Kanimozhi being in the firing line,the last word has not been said though DMK would like to sweep it under the carpet.
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 09 Mar 2011 22:16
by Venkarl
<INC at arm twisting again>
DMK's Napolean in trouble for violating norms set by EC...FIR filed...same with INC's Vasanth
Yeddy getting muddy again with some company donating crores of rupees to Yeddy ka bacha's Trust.....so continues the blame game and arm twisting....
Seriously...our politicians are a laughing stock...
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 09 Mar 2011 22:18
by RamaY
Venkarl wrote:
Yeddy getting muddy again with some company donating crores of rupees to Yeddy ka bacha's Trust.....so continues the blame game and arm twisting...
Hopefully Yeddy have that transaction audited and puts both parties behind jail if it is found that this money is "donated" for personal favors.
This is exactly what I fear with Baba Ramdev (I posted a couple of weeks ago). Some agent may donate "few crores" and blame BR for corruption/lack of personal integrity.
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 09 Mar 2011 22:23
by Venkarl
Actually HDKS claims that Yeddy did some favors to that company....and in return that company donated heavily to Yeddy ka bacha's Trust
Added Later:
{Some
vague recollection from Newshour Debate today}
Kumaraswamy claims that he has a letter written by Revenue Secretary to Principal Secretary that Yeddy is trying to stop Revenue Dept's inquiry on this "Company's" encroachment and this "company" after getting benefits donated monies to Yeddy ka bacha's trust.....and we have this news 18 hours ago
New principal secy for revenue dept
any connections?
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 09 Mar 2011 22:45
by ramana
Also read PP guy. He is accurate on any matter not related to 2Gs. He has ablind spot for them.
The deal seems to be to postpone CBI inquiry till TN elections are over so as not to impact the 'goody' image of MK's family.
Ravi_Ku and RamaY, MMS is doing his bit. When he is absolutely cornered he reveals the scamster eg Chavan. And that again cleans up his image. And game starts again. I think Opposition wants to keep him and get him to reveal all the scamsters.

Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 09 Mar 2011 23:07
by ramana
For what ever its worth PP thinks that UPA is working on a plan to ensure they comply wtih SC directive and retain the govt!
http://www.politicsparty.com/TAMILNADU_ ... S_2011.php
Could be hyper, but very entertaining!
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 09 Mar 2011 23:12
by RamaY
ramana wrote:
Ravi_Ku and RamaY, MMS is doing his bit. When he is absolutely cornered he reveals the scamster eg Chavan. And that again cleans up his image. And game starts again. I think Opposition wants to keep him and get him to reveal all the scamsters.


That much I got Ramanaji.
Probably that is the reason why spectrum scam is revealed. To put a leash on MMS.
The running up to 2014 elections will be very interesting.
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 09 Mar 2011 23:22
by ramana
One more thing we know the elected INC minions as they are revealed. We know nothing of the unelected minions who walk the corridors of power with cudgels on behalf of the 2Gs. In all these revelations we did not hear of even one unelected minion being revealed.
Another thing

, The govt is a babudom. It fears the Sc only not the political opposition. Note the tough questions the SC asks which the Opposition should ask in the Lok Sabha! And the directives to do the job they are expected to doper the Consititution.
Eg.
- Take the CBI inquiry to its conclusion by March 31 in the spectrum scam case.
- Slap national security charges in the hasan Ali case. Shoulnt this have been odnmewithout direction from the SC? Why wasn't that done as matter of course? The guy has $8B in Swiss banks and GOI is going round the issue submitting rejectable documents to Swiss since 2005! Most likely the guy has co-mingled the funds from terrorists and INC leaders.
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 09 Mar 2011 23:22
by RamaY
Was about to write about that. He writes as if it is like a project plan - schedules, dependencies etc., funny guy... but a keen eye can present the undercurrents...
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 09 Mar 2011 23:24
by ramana
He is cover for leakers in the INC and babudom. Its not his own ideas.
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 09 Mar 2011 23:38
by RamaY
The Opposition is hounded by INC and others in parliament with counter allegations and saffron-terror type diversions...
More over the opposition itself is split and working towards 2014...
The most interesting thing for me is the "Silence of Dye-nasty" in view of all this nonsense. Where is Rahul-mian with his nonsensical proclamations.
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 09 Mar 2011 23:42
by Virupaksha
ramana wrote:
Ravi_Ku and RamaY, MMS is doing his bit. When he is absolutely cornered he reveals the scamster eg Chavan. And that again cleans up his image. And game starts again. I think Opposition wants to keep him and get him to reveal all the scamsters.

The lesson for me, seems to be corner him again and again.
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 10 Mar 2011 00:14
by Venkarl
ramana wrote:He is cover for leakers in the INC and babudom. Its not his own ideas.
If so...his site's contents are supposed to be in mainstream media.... but his analysis don't hit the mainstream media....who will read his stuff? what purpose is PP site fulfilling?
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 10 Mar 2011 01:46
by RamaY
Venkarl garu,
PP guy the rumor mill (aka chai-wala); where as NVS is the analysis. He infers what Ramanaji is saying...
Behind the patch-up
Several larger issues are raised by the Congress-DMK break-and-make. But what is especially revelatory to this writer is that the looters have begun to fight over the spoils.
Only this way will the scams come to light. Supreme Court anti-corruption activism and press exposes (rare now) {They became part of the 2G system, thanks to Undtv types}, unfortunately, count as aberrations.
Ordeal by slow fire
Now cut to the present. The Nehru-Gandhi family represented by Sonia and Rahul still occupies the central place in the Congress. The family has taken a position where it enjoys all the powers and carries no burden of responsibility. Nor is it accountable to you and me. The result is there for all to see.
A figurehead PM takes the rap for P.J.Thomas.
...
By insulating themselves from the heat and dust of hard-power politics, the Gandhis may have prolonged their political shelf-life. But it has made them dependent on dodgy advisers and self-serving mediators.
...
It can only be downhill from here for the Congress party. Congress leaders are reconciled to a rout in Andhra Pradesh, the state that brought them to power in the Centre. With Sharad Pawar on a warpath, it doesn't look good any longer for the Congress in Maharashtra. Not one coalition partner of the Congress has a good word for the party leadership.
Meanwhile, the clashes in the top government hierarchy are worsening by the day. There is an unwritten understanding all around that nobody will pull down the government {2G system affect}. But everybody, both in government and in the opposition outside (with the Gandhis' exclusion), will derive from the government whatever advantage suits them.
For the opposition, every additional day that the government survives (and it lives now on a daily respirator) buries irretrievably deeper the future of the Congress party. And for the top government infighters, there is no better time to extract their respective pounds of flesh from the family.
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 10 Mar 2011 02:00
by RamaY
On CVC Thomas issue; close to my thought process.
(1) Apologies if posted earlier (2) Posting in full
Blame the PM
4 March 2011: We are now told that in the last fifteen days, the prime minister's office desperately pressured P.J.Thomas for his resignation anticipating a shocker of a Supreme Court verdict against his appointment as CVC. If this is an attempt to reduce prime minister Manmohan Singh's culpability in clearing Thomas' appointment as the central vigilance commissioner, it won't wash. The blame for the appointment entirely lies with him, and nobody else.
It is well-known that Thomas was not the PM's candidate for the CVC job. (Thomas's response to the PMO pressure is revealing but awaits disclosure another time.) Thomas's appointment was decided outside the government and the PM was meant merely to execute the decision. It is made out that the relevant alleged corruption charges against Thomas were not on file at the time of considering his CVC appointment.
Even if this is true, who tampered with the file? The file belonged to the Department of Personnel and Training which is under the PM. So is it the case that the PM did not know about the tampering in a department in his direct charge? That is a little hard to believe. It is impossible to accept that anyone can get away tampering files under the PM's nose, as it were. If that is indeed what happened, is Manmohan Singh worthy of remaining PM?
Now it transpires that Sushma Swaraj, as the opposition representative in the CVC-nominating committee, mentioned the corruption charges against Thomas. P.Chidambaram, according to press reports, tried to convince Sushma that Thomas had been cleared. What Chidambaram's agenda was in saying and doing all this is best left to him to explain. But the PM cannot claim he wasn't apprised of the charges against Thomas at all.
What was the PM's reaction to Sushma's rejection of Thomas and her plea to consider any of the other two shortlisted candidates? He apparently said the CVC's swearing-in was fixed for the next day. Is that any reason to make a tainted candidate as CVC? When Sushma insisted with her objection, the PM observed, according to her (and there is no reason to doubt her version): then put in your dissent note.
That shows arrogance. Nobody, least of all the PM, expected the Thomas affair to snowball to where the Supreme Court would savagely intervene. Anyone who thinks the PM is humble has got it dead wrong. Manmohan Singh is arrogant. He was arrogant about the Indo-US nuclear deal, riding roughshod over opposition and strategic-community objections. He has been arrogant and insensitive to the crippling price rise (particularly uncontained food inflation), and he has developed a thick skin to charges of misrule.
Deep within, the PM believes that his image of personal incorruptibility will ride him through. But how is Manmohan Singh clean when he knew extra-constitutional forces wanted Thomas as CVC and did their bidding? What would happen if Manmohan Singh refused? Probably his days as PM would be numbered. So to remain prime minister, he condones every wrongdoing: 2G, CWG, Adarsh, the AntrixDevas deal; a crook like Hasan Ali becomes immune from prosecution. And the PM stakes his reputation to appoint a dubious CVC.
This writer has never been impressed by Manmohan Singh's so-called honesty. He is a variant of V.P.Singh sans his viciousness but with all his opportunism and ambitiousness. Manmohan Singh knows that he can continue to remain PM for the rest of the term if he does not rock the boat for the Gandhi family/ Congress leadership. He will continue to bend for them.
Is there to be no respite from his plundering UPA government? Not until 2014 at least. There is huge infighting in the top government leadership. More scandals and disclosures and embarrassing leaks will rock the government and embitter voters. Manmohan Singh's friends say he has spoken about his post-Thomas injured pride to some Congress leaders. But it is meaningless. If he had any pride or sense of self, he would apologize to the nation and leave.
In any case, Manmohan Singh has brought himself to this pass. If anyone has diminished the prime-ministership, it is Manmohan Singh. It is often said, for example, that the Gandhis have all the powers but no accountability. Who has made this possible? Look no further than Manmohan Singh for the rut India finds itself in.
N.V.Subramanian is Editor,
http://www.NewsInsight.net, and writes internationally on strategic affairs. He has authored two novels, University of Love (Writers Workshop, Calcutta) and Courtesan of Storms (Har-Anand, Delhi). Email:
[email protected].
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 10 Mar 2011 02:47
by anmol
Venkarl wrote:ramana wrote:He is cover for leakers in the INC and babudom. Its not his own ideas.
If so...his site's contents are supposed to be in mainstream media.... but his analysis don't hit the mainstream media....who will read his stuff? what purpose is PP site fulfilling?
I did some Googling on this guy, and turns out he mentions this lady called "Thara Devi" quite a lot. Thara Devi is daughter of some rich coffee estate owner. Indira Gandhi once stayed at their farm house when she fought elections at Chikmagalur. Later on Thara Devi fought elections while representing INC, and even became Minister of State for Health and Family Welfare. After that she even switched sides and joined BJP.. More can be found on her through Google.
Thara Devi's full name in
here (list of members of Parliament) is "Thara Devi
Siddhartha"
I have a hunch that P.R.
SIDDHARTHA(guy operating Politics Party) is Thara Devi's husband and is pissed because his wife is no longer being considered by the Sonia Congress..
And he uses this site to throw dirt at people in Congess competing with his wife. While he can throw dirt on every one in Congress and outside, but he obviously cannot throw dirt at the Big Boss in the party.
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 10 Mar 2011 02:53
by vera_k
Perhaps this might help triangulate PP. He's a Sonia loyalist for one.
Miracle Strategy
29 Years ago I introduced YSR to Rajiv Gandhi
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 10 Mar 2011 09:44
by Dhiman
Eventually, Pranab Mukherjee left the meeting giving the assurance -- which he carried -- that Kanimozhi would be protected.
When the entire political establishment along with the subservient babudom is corrupt, the only possible way out is: 1) emergence of a gandhi that will lead to a new political order through the constructive rise of new leadership, 2) mutually assured destruction of the old order as a result of its key components gunning for each other and leading to mutually assured destruction, and 3) through a general Egyptian style revolt.
When this brouhaha started, I was hoping for BJP and Kangress gunning for each others corrupt deals and leadership thereby taking the entire political establishment down. And this is what it seemed like during the intial stages.
Since then things are have certainly cooled on the political front of this battle. First it was the BJP and Kangress that signed backroom deals in order to protect their top leaders (and hence the establishments they head) and now its Kangress and DMK. Basically a lot of backroom talks in progress by the corrupt in order to save the corrupt establishment (at the expense of the people) so that the corrupt (i.e top leadership) can preserve their gaddies and ill-gotton money that their nalayak son's and daughters will chew off for the rest of their lives at the expense of poor and starving people in elsewhere who barely have enough to eat.
This 60 year old political order has turned into dead-wood with self-serving babudom, widespread corruption, and inbred leadership that passes from one family member to another and supported by the rich with same inbred mechanisms for passing wealth. The system at top has become stale and a powerful combustion and exhaust system is need to vent all this crap out otherwise rest assured this staleness will take deep roots in the years to come.
What is needed is a regime change, where regime is the entire top establishment and pecking order of the country. Such rotation is a must for growth and development of any healthy society over time.
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 11 Mar 2011 03:59
by Sushupti
CBI set to quiz Kani
New Delhi, March 10: M. Karunanidhi’s daughter Kanimozhi will be questioned over the 2G scam “soon”, CBI chief A.P Singh said today.
Although he did not specify any date, agency sources said
it could happen before March 31. The Supreme Court, which is monitoring the probe, has asked the CBI to file the chargesheet by that day.
The Rajya Sabha MP is likely to be quizzed about a Rs 214-crore loan given by arrested Swan Telecom promoter Shahid Usman Balwa to Kalaignar TV, which is owned by Kanimozhi’s family. Her phone conversations with lobbyist Niira Radia are also under the scanner.
The CBI has told a Delhi court that it is probing whether the money was part of the kickbacks routed to A. Raja, the former telecom minister in custody for alleged irregularities in awarding 2G licences and spectrum. The channel has denied any connection between the loan and the licences given by Raja.
A senior CBI officer said it had not yet been decided whether to summon Kanimozhi to its headquarters in Delhi or to question her in Chennai. “We will take a final call on the issue in the next few days,” he said.
The 43-year-old leader was set to be questioned after the CBI raids on the Kalaignar TV office and other premises in Chennai on February 18 but the sleuths were asked to “go slow” considering the political repercussions ahead of the budget session, the sources said.
According to the CBI officer, Kanimozhi holds a 20 per cent stake in Kalaignar TV while her step-mother and Karunanidhi’s second wife Dayalu Ammal has a 60 per cent stake. Sharad Kumar, the channel’s managing director who is said to be a close associate of Raja, holds the remaining 20 per cent.
Dayalu is unlikely to be questioned, though. “We do not want to question Dayalu as she is a sleeping partner (someone who does not play an active role in a business venture) in Kalaignar TV. Most of the decisions were taken by Kanimozhi and Kumar.
The decision not to question Dayalu has come from the top,” the officer said.
CBI director Singh today met Murli Manohar Joshi, chairman of the Public Accounts Committee, in connection with the scam. This was his second appearance before the House panel.
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1110311/j ... 698893.jsp
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 11 Mar 2011 05:15
by JwalaMukhi
http://www.newkerala.com/news/world/ful ... 63944.html
“The prime minister said the government has no time to consider the issue of corruption till the 13th May due to the ongoing Parliament session and the impending elections in five states,” alleged the IAC.
PMji almost spoke truth. Full truth would have been like this:
prime minister said the government has no time to consider the issue of corruption. Period
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 11 Mar 2011 05:21
by Muppalla
Let us see if Maha CM Chavan resigns. He is caught by the MMS google. Either he has to go or implicate Sonia if push comes to shove. MMS is definitely on the chop block and 2G will dispose him at the first opportunity.
http://freepressjournal.in/Details.aspx ... id=1490828
Re: Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up
Posted: 11 Mar 2011 05:29
by Hari Seldon
Am finding it a tad hard to understand the mi$$ionary zeal with which some tv channels (times now in particular) have been going after Hasan Ali. Are 'em b@lls on display home-grown, borrowed or HMVs only?
Its no secret sri hasan has deep roots in our permanent establishment connecting netas babus dakus mafiosi arms dealers and what not in a mutually vulnerable web of intrigue. Thus, no one but no one has any reason to whistleblow and out the others. I would imagine sri hasan is above & beyond the law. Way above and beyond. So where from this dhimmedia zeal?
Arrey, when kumari Radia herself wasn't inconvenienced too much, GoI ki aisi kya aukad ki sri hasan ko ungli karein?!?!? just wondering only....