Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 31 Oct 2011

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 30 Nov 2011 10:20

Now it would want tallel friend's intervention. It is a matter of time before Beijing concludes that increased trouble and friction with civlised India to please these sewer animals is not worth the price and dump TSP.

niran · Post by **niran** » 30 Nov 2011 10:31

Suppiah wrote:Now it would want tallel friend's intervention. It is a matter of time before Beijing concludes that increased trouble and friction with civlised India to please these sewer animals is not worth the price and dump TSP.

Saar you discount the fact of "loss of Face" China will never easily dump poaks, for them India is the enemy which the had taught a lesson in the past but now is ready to slap China back, this causes tremendous heart burn calculating the Loss of Face if India slap back in open encounter hence
this indirect tactics by tallel than ocean and deepel than mountain dost.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 30 Nov 2011 10:38

It is said that an American would sell his mother if the price is right, because he can always buy her back when he has more money...with our tallel, they would sell her at discount and not even bother to buy back as it costs money to maintain. So don't discount that possibility. It is all a matter of cost versus benefit. At a personal level, Chinese hate poaks and beards. They handle them now the way a lab assistant handles stool samples..with gloves, face mask and all other protection.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 30 Nov 2011 10:54

vayu wrote:
SureshP wrote:Just saw the BBC 10 o clock news. TODAYS report from the Afghan side shows BBC reporter at US camp very close to the PAKI border, an airdrop of supplies followed as they try to collect the drop TaliTSPA fire mortars at the camp . The Khan in charge fires back and CALLS IN THE F16's which bomb Pakistan territory across the border until all mortar attacks stop. NO APOLOGIES NO DISGUISE NO APOLOGY by the US camp commander that they and the F16's were bombing Pakistan territory. I will add the video link when BBC decides to upload it to its news website.
This is the link to the video that SureshP metioned.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-15955179

So apparently the US routinely uses F-16 to bomb the Paki? Good job America!

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 30 Nov 2011 11:19

vayu wrote:
SureshP wrote:Just saw the BBC 10 o clock news. TODAYS report from the Afghan side shows BBC reporter at US camp very close to the PAKI border, an airdrop of supplies followed as they try to collect the drop TaliTSPA fire mortars at the camp . The Khan in charge fires back and CALLS IN THE F16's which bomb Pakistan territory across the border until all mortar attacks stop. NO APOLOGIES NO DISGUISE NO APOLOGY by the US camp commander that they and the F16's were bombing Pakistan territory.
This is the link to the video that SureshP metioned.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-15955179

I think this has started occurring since late last year when the munna relationship became precarious.

Now, one understands the Hillary Clinton phraseology, 'Fight, Talk, Build' though it was in the Afghan context.

I quote what she said: "Under the circumstances, we must do all three at the same time," Clinton said. "So we want a very clear message to the insurgents on both sides of the border that we are going to fight you, and we are going to seek you in your safe havens, whether you're on the Afghan side or the Pakistani side. They must be dealt with.. We are taking action to target Haqqani leadership on both sides of the border. We are moving toward a very international effort to squeeze the Haqqanis with the funding and other aspects of the operations. So, I think there is a lot going on that will be more apparent in days and weeks ahead. It has nothing to do with Pakistan hedging against India or whatever the explanation is. It has to do with this group that has a safe haven in Pakistan targeting Americans. And that changes the calculation for us, and it should change the calculation for the Pakistanis. It took time to get us in a position where we could turn with real intensity toward the safe havens in Pakistan. And now it's a question as to how much cooperation Pakistan will provide in going after those safe haven"

The above is as clear as it can be.

anishns · Post by **anishns** » 30 Nov 2011 11:23

Video seemingly shot after the pounding

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 30 Nov 2011 11:24

x-mex Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ ... story.html
How to win in Afghanistan

On my most recent trip to Afghanistan I found improvement. The Afghan army is growing and will be better by 2014. Insurgent expansion into the north has been contained. District and provincial government positions are being filled. Despite periodic high-profile attacks, the Taliban was unable to disrupt a recent three-day gathering of more than 2,000 Afghan notables in Kabul. If time and money were unlimited, this progress would be reassuring. But they are not.The alternative is to begin going directly after the sanctuaries — not all at once but slowly, with increasing missile and air attacks. The aim would be to degrade them, put militants on the run, disrupt the serenity of leaders who send their forces into battle while they remain safe, and make clear that Pakistan cannot safely retain the insurgent card for later use. We should press Pakistan to aid the effort while expecting an angry initial reaction. Truck convoys would get burned; the Afghan border would be closed, at least temporarily , as it is now. We would have to prepare to answer such measures with even more attacks, including hitting the sanctuaries in Baluchistan (despite Pakistan’s vehement objections) to show our resolve. Islamabad might ban the flights that bring our munitions to Afghanistan. One answer would be to fly anyway with fighter escorts. ( Jindabad, Jindabad, O Baluchistan Jindabad.Azadi ki larai hokerahegi,Pakjabi Badmasho se)
This policy would be highly dangerous. Pakistan’s military will not bend easily. Its support for Afghan militants is as deeply embedded as the conviction that only such allies can prevent Afghanistan from becoming an existential threat. To control tension with Pakistan we would need attacks in the border areas over time — not a one-time strike or ground invasion and certainly not hitting Pakistani troops — and do it while maintaining economic assistance and other help to Pakistan. Both confrontation and assistance have to be maintained, with care on which is emphasized at any particular moment. The quiet message to the Pakistani military would be: It’s your choice — you can stay in power and we’ll help you, but if the sanctuaries aren’t brought under control we’re going to hit them harder, even if that causes you pain.This policy would not solve the poor governance in Afghanistan, a separate, critical issue that we will not get to if we lose on the battlefield. And this approach could leave Afghanistan and Pakistan in turmoil. It is not an approach I advocated when I was in Afghanistan — when our time horizons seemed longer — or one I would choose now if Washington had the will to remain engaged. But would its risks be worse than losing after 10 years of war, being faced down by a small, vicious group of insurgents allied to al-Qaeda and watching the whole area in chaos for years? Top military and civilian officials in Afghanistan say the option is to defeat sanctuaries and succeed, or ignore them and lose. Our choices are that stark

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Ronald E. Neumann was U.S. ambassador to Afghanistan from 2005 to 2007 and is the author of “The Other War: Winning and Losing in Afghanistan.”

partha · Post by **partha** » 30 Nov 2011 11:24

Maybe just maybe Pakistan skipping Bonn meeting is what the US wanted

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 30 Nov 2011 11:32

anishns wrote:[
Video seemingly shot after the pounding

Pakis are past master in putting up fake camps for propganda purpose. They used this skill to extract money from kaffirs when Mother Indus gave them a Floody Jhaapar. The man in the video use the word God , a natural born Paki Kabuttar will say Allah .
Well, Paggi Got Bonned by Uncle without going to Bonn.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 30 Nov 2011 11:34

See this news about China:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/nat ... aphic.html

Read it in conjunction with Mushy's bragging: http://archives.dawn.com/archives/18651

This from the Hersh article “Musharraf also confirmed that Pakistan had constructed a huge tunnel system for the transport and storage of nuclear weaponry. `The tunnels are so deep that a nuclear attack will not touch them,` Musharraf told me, with obvious pride. The tunnels would make it impossible for the American intelligence community — `Big Uncle`, as a Pakistani nuclear-weapons expert called it — to monitor the movements of nuclear components by satellite.”

Taller than mountain friends have shared their expertise perhaps?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 30 Nov 2011 11:35

Satya_anveshi wrote:BTW a pooch: what really is a "settled village"? Heard this term so many times now. Are Pukis and Afghanistanis undertaking border marking afresh and there are "disputes"? Another Paki "core issue" emerging?

The term 'settled' refers to areas outside the seven 'agencies' and tribal areas around Peshawar, Kohat, Bannu, Lakki Marwat, Tank, and Dera Ismail Khan where the FCR (Frontier Crimes Regulation) does not apply and normal criminal and civil procedure codes apply under Pakistani constitution.

There is absolutely no 'border dispute' except the Afghan claim on Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa upto the western banks of the Indus.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 30 Nov 2011 11:37

Anujan wrote:See this news about China:

Read it in conjunction with Mushy's bragging: http://archives.dawn.com/archives/18651

This from the Hersh article “Musharraf also confirmed that Pakistan had constructed a huge tunnel system for the transport and storage of nuclear weaponry. `The tunnels are so deep that a nuclear attack will not touch them,` Musharraf told me, with obvious pride. The tunnels would make it impossible for the American intelligence community — `Big Uncle`, as a Pakistani nuclear-weapons expert called it — to monitor the movements of nuclear components by satellite.”
Taller than mountain friends have shared their expertise perhaps?

They have replicated their own storage techniques for n-weapons. We must not discount such Pakistani braggings about the help from their swwtest friends. Later reports have always verified such Pakistani claims.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 30 Nov 2011 11:40

NATO Strike Can Lead to Breach With Enemy-Ally Pakistan:
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-1 ... -view.html

Nov. 30 (Bloomberg) -- When NATO aircraft killed 24 Pakistani soldiers in a strike near the Afghan border on Nov. 25, U.S. press reports called it a case of “friendly fire.” That seems the wrong term. It has been some years since the U.S. and Pakistan could be accurately described as friends.The U.S. and Pakistan have a handful of common goals but far more that conflict. The U.S. wants to fight all forces opposed to Afghanistan’s government; Pakistan nurtures remnants of the Haqqani Network and the Afghanistan Taliban as a way of maintaining influence in that country. The U.S. wants to be equally friendly with Pakistan and its archenemy, India; Pakistan considers that a betrayal.Most importantly, relations give the U.S. a window on Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal --a grave threat to U.S. national security. Some have suggested that the U.S. government abandon Pakistan -- cut off its $3 billion in annual aid, place it on the state-sponsors-of-terrorism list and throw in its lot fully with India. This would be unwise: An isolated Pakistan would be more likely to go to war with India, more vulnerable to disintegration into a nuclear-armed jihadist state and less able to keep its weapons technology secure from terrorists.If the investigation shows that NATO forces were at fault, the U.S. and NATO commands should apologize at a high level and see that the Pakistani soldiers’ families receive compensation, as was done after Central Intelligence Agency contractor Raymond Davis shot and killed two Pakistanis in Lahore in January

partha · Post by **partha** » 30 Nov 2011 11:47

But Pakistan is not for Ahmadis, Shias, Hindus, Christians and other minorities.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 30 Nov 2011 11:54

^ What happened to all the bravado. When oblivion comes, instead of angered fists, raised hands are seeking help and mercy.

sum · Post by **sum** » 30 Nov 2011 12:03

kmkraoind wrote:^ What happened to all the bravado. When oblivion comes, instead of angered fists, raised hands are seeking help and mercy.

^^ Hope that MMS and his coterie is watching and understanding the Paok psyche when put into a corner. No cornered rats here, only begging rats when in a bind.

Roperia · Post by **Roperia** » 30 Nov 2011 12:14

Jamaatud Dawa (JuD) has vowed to convert Pakistan into a Taliban state and to train young people to wage jihad against America and India

JD activists as well as school children as young as 10 were were brought in by telling their parents that they were going to a science exhibition.

JD will make all of its fighters into Taliban

Thousands of fighters are ready and waiting for a call from our leader Hafiz Saeed,

Abdullah Gul, son of former ISI chief Gen (retired) Hameed Gul, said it was time to “complete the revolution”. He said the people of Pakistan aspired to wage jihad and it was time to take up the sword.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/299747/lash ... ban-state/

Food for thought for all yamriki agencies that LeT/JuD is no more an India-centric terrorist organization although the primary dream is still to liberate Kashmir.

Pakis should be ashamed to take so young children and fill them with hate against yindoos, yamrikis and yahudis.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 30 Nov 2011 12:22

Arun Roperia wrote:Jamaatud Dawa (JuD) has vowed to convert Pakistan into a Taliban state and to train young people to wage jihad against America and India
Abdullah Gul, son of former ISI chief Gen (retired) Hameed Gul, said it was time to “complete the revolution”. He said the people of Pakistan aspired to wage jihad and it was time to take up the sword.
Food for thought for all yamriki agencies that LeT/JuD is no more an India-centric terrorist organization although the primary dream is still to liberate Kashmir.

Abdullah Gul waged jihad under Haqqani. The fact that such a Haqqani admirer is speaking for JuD confirms the coalition of evil forces.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 30 Nov 2011 12:34

Why are you surprised? Aren't they both (Hakkani n JUD) fellow subsidiaries of the same holding company (TSPA)?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 30 Nov 2011 12:40

Satya_anveshi wrote:Unprovoked’: DGMO gives details of aerial assault

A significant tidbit from the above

By 1 a.m. all channels of communications with the other side were activated and the helicopters were pulled back. But as Pakistani troops moved from one post to the other to assess the damage and aid the injured, the helicopters reappeared and pinned them down. Some 26 artillery airbursts were fired by the Pakistani side and the engagement lasted until 0215.

If this were true, then only means one thing to me: that the PA was up to some mischief under the guise of 'moving from one post to the other to assess the damage and aid the injured'. That was why the helicopters reappeared and put paid to the mischief.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 30 Nov 2011 12:42

SSridhar is not suprised, he understands the animal, he just wants the Indians and Westerners, many who have WKK feelingsand love that these Non state actors to understand that ALL Terrorism flows from the same Fountain head, i.e GHQ Pindi. For world peace this entity needs to be liquidated.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 30 Nov 2011 12:45

Suppiah wrote:Why are you surprised? Aren't they both (Hakkani n JUD) fellow subsidiaries of the same holding company (TSPA)?

In the corporate world of M&A, when there a possibility of change of management or ownership of the holding company,the subsidiaries cuddle each other to form groups as a show of strength. It is done to resist replacement of the existing chain of command,any layoffs etc. Standard tactics

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 30 Nov 2011 12:52

Suppiah wrote:Why are you surprised? Aren't they both (Hakkani n JUD) fellow subsidiaries of the same holding company (TSPA)?

No, I'm not surprised, not the least. We know that the two Kabul Embassy bombings, for example, were by LeT fidayeen assisted in logistics by Haqqani and planned-and-coordinated by the ISI. I was looking for open confirmation of the nexus between these two. Off and on, we have had reports of LeT foot-soldiers being embedded among the TTP under Baitullah Mehsud. We have also heard of some suspicion of the PA-pasand LeT cadres by other components (like the IMU). Later, the reports on the presence of LeT within TTP dwindled. Of course, Haqqani is a different matter. He is a pure warlord above these wranglings. He has always been tasked by Mullah Omar to heal the rift among the various components of the TTP. So, my hunch was that he took the LeT under his wings when differences surfaced within TTP, where some sections were suspicious of LeT's objective.

I think, I have a confirmation today.

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 30 Nov 2011 12:59

I tend to agree with this opinion:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opi ... le2254119/

AFGHANISTAN

The Pakistani tail is wagging the American dog

david van praagh

Special to Globe and Mail Update

Published Wednesday, Nov. 30, 2011 2:00AM EST

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 30 Nov 2011 14:55

TimesNow channel is reporting that TSP has asked the UK to mediate between itself & US.

partha · Post by **partha** » 30 Nov 2011 15:01

SSridhar wrote:TimesNow channel is reporting that TSP has asked the UK to mediate between TSP & US.

Oh man.. how times change. Some questions:

1. Why not sweeter than honey friend China?
2. What happens to Kashmir mediation now? Should we wait till UK successfully mediates and resolves all issues between US and Pak for Pak to again request US for Kashmir mediation?

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 30 Nov 2011 15:06

^^ It means they are asking some lube before Gubo. Chinese patrons are penny pincers and are not as generous as US-UK combo who showers them with nickels and dimes.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 30 Nov 2011 15:35

SSridhar wrote:TimesNow channel is reporting that TSP has asked the UK to mediate between itself & US.

I will TRY to put it in a crude way

The wh0re was flirting with the cash cow customer's rival on the beach
The cash cow customer saw it and got real angry and guboed her very rough
In extreme pain and humiliation the wh0re shouted and asked him to get out of her brothel-house
.......a week passes....
recovering from seething pain, the whore is having no money and only cheap customers who do not offer good tip to take care of her b@$tards and her aids treatment
wh0re cannot call her cash cow customer for loss of face,so calls her other customers for a patch up meetup with him
........story so far.......

admins: please feel free to remove if found distasteful.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 30 Nov 2011 15:53

>>Video seemingly shot after the pounding

Indeed, after pounding, but not the pounding by US/NATO. This video was uploaded earlier after some other engagement, with the "bad Taliban" IIRC.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 30 Nov 2011 15:56

Sridhar-ji do you see any evidence of anti-Army pure groups taking control over or mixing with pro-Army pure groups? The worst nightmare would be if TSPA were to pacify the anti-Amry groups and make them part of the 'family' in the larger interest of the 'cause'..

Somehow it does seem one of them (the pure / TSPA) is going to end up as useful idiot, question is which one..

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 30 Nov 2011 16:07

http://battleland.blogs.time.com/2011/1 ... -pakistan/

Quote by TIME of an article by leftie Paki seems a long lost sibling of MKB...

Some gems, as usual..

Islamabad was allowed a legal fig-leaf: in official documents the base was officially leased by the UAE – whose ‘sovereignty' is even more flexible than Pakistan's.

Perhaps it was simply a tit-for-tat to punish the Pakistani military for dispatching the Haqqani network to bomb the US embassy and Nato HQ in Kabul's ‘Green Zone' a few months back

which means more could be on the way..

Haqqani, often referred to as the US ambassador to Pakistan

And he links it to the Hakkaani - not the bearded one, the OTHER one in Unkil land..

Demands for his trial and hanging (the two often go together when the military is involved) are proliferating. Zardari is standing by his man. The military wants his head. And now Nato has entered the fray. This story is not yet over.

Venkarl · Post by **Venkarl** » 30 Nov 2011 16:12

partha wrote:
SSridhar wrote:TimesNow channel is reporting that TSP has asked the UK to mediate between TSP & US.

Oh man.. how times change. Some questions:

1. Why not sweeter than honey friend China?
2. What happens to Kashmir mediation now? Should we wait till UK successfully mediates and resolves all issues between US and Pak for Pak to again request US for Kashmir mediation?

wow, if all of this was premeditated, it is an excellent chess game to watch. Enjoy folks.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 30 Nov 2011 16:22

partha,

We are still against third party mediation, since we both speak the same language and they are our neighbours

partha · Post by **partha** » 30 Nov 2011 16:25

^
Of course

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 30 Nov 2011 16:40

Based on Tariq Ali's article it does seem Unkil is bent upon stirring the pot and smoking out various barbaric animals out into the open where they can be taken out. Also it is a nice game to play against Kiya-nahin - if he takes on US, Unkil can take gloves off and roast TSPA with no further justification required. If he doesn't he gets roasted by bearded animals and mullabarics..and loses face and echandee..who knows, some Abdul in TSPA may decide to become Qadri version 2.0

uddu · Post by **uddu** » 30 Nov 2011 16:54

spoat the cee eye a agint.

http://www.wfaa.com/news/slideshows/Pho ... lery-image
Spot the same agint here as well in support of Baki fauj. 10 stribes to those with good cee eye ..

Somewhere somethng is barning. It's not the oil tankers. Spat the illusive rage boy.

Nanna Mujahids

The bious Maulanas

The Ayatollah

GuBU-31 be upon you.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 30 Nov 2011 16:57

I am just imagining what is happening in Washington now.
Is this the case of the old Cold war veterans are slowly being pushed out out of reckoning - the attack on TSP is a clear indicator IMO. From being called an ally despite the loss of Amreeki lives and continuous back stabbing from TSP to an overt attack requires serious fighting within the ranks in Washington.

Amreekis are the most stupidest nation on the face of the planet! It has taken them 11 years since the start of GWOT to find the right target!

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 30 Nov 2011 17:02

Anujan wrote:See this news about China:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/nat ... aphic.html

Read it in conjunction with Mushy's bragging: http://archives.dawn.com/archives/18651

This from the Hersh article “Musharraf also confirmed that Pakistan had constructed a huge tunnel system for the transport and storage of nuclear weaponry. `The tunnels are so deep that a nuclear attack will not touch them,` Musharraf told me, with obvious pride. The tunnels would make it impossible for the American intelligence community — `Big Uncle`, as a Pakistani nuclear-weapons expert called it — to monitor the movements of nuclear components by satellite.”
Taller than mountain friends have shared their expertise perhaps?

Now that Mush told his secret, all the NATO has to do is to monitor these tunnels and nuke them with small nuclear weapons. The trucks with nuclear bombs will be in the tunnels for ever.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 30 Nov 2011 17:29

Pak army says Nato attack a 'deliberate act of aggression'

I think its time Pakistan bites the Bullet and Declares war on NATO.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 30 Nov 2011 17:30

Aditya_V wrote:Pak army says Nato attack a 'deliberate act of aggression'

I think its time Pakistan bites the Bullet and Declares war on NATO.

You are asking too much from cowards.