Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): 29th May 2012

[RajeshA]

Oh drat... Now what? Is this the end of Bradfordstan, Birminghamstan and Leicesterstan?

New UK rules to hit Pakistanis hardest

Hopefully, this will also lead to the end of the "grooming" of white teenage girls for sex by Pakistani men in UK.

Now this is good news! It should stop the Pakis from escaping their sinking ship! They should all die like dignified captains responsible for the iceberg collision.

Two new laws need to be brought out!

1) If a Paki is seen talking to a non-Muslim girl, he should be castrated.

2) If any girl belonging to a "cultural minority" (read Paki) cites oppressive circumstances at home with respect to her free choice to choose a partner, then the state should provide support to her in her capacity to settle down with this partner belonging to a different culturally-defined community.

Corollary - All Paki girls should run away from home. All non-Muslim girls should stop talking to Pakis. Also Pakis cant bring in any girls from Pakistan. End result would be Pakis would become real Pakis and would have to give each other a hand and be content.

These laws need to be extended to other places like Norway, France, Germany as well. Pakis should die at home!

[RCase]

Oh drat... Now what? Is this the end of Bradfordstan, Birminghamstan and Leicesterstan?

New UK rules to hit Pakistanis hardest

They should all die like dignified captains moronic 'martial' lemmings.

Rajesh ji, my inner pakistaniyat could not take the association of sewer rats to heroic dignified kaptans!

[RamaY]

Neela-> One can argue America took the relatively easy option of attacking AFganistan adn Iraq and not Pakis and Saudis who attacked it, it rather appeased them

I want to throw some chanikyanness here.. if MMS can show it, I too can

USA very well knew KSA and TSPA are real perpetrators of 9/11. But it also knew that -
- KSA is a must have to ensure a strong hold over world oil markets ($ as the reserve currency)
- TSPA is a must have to ensure a strong leash to get complete control over India. Without TSPA it will be that much difficult to bring India under its strategic partnership, for a future use as a munna against China (if and when it decides to usurp USA's super power status).

Destroying my $1000 toys (KSA/TSPA) for a $1 loss (9/11) is meaningless financially. But there is one element that is more important, H&D.

Instead of going for TSPA, Unkil did a kick a$$ dhamaka on Afghanistan. Even then they didn't sleep until they killed OBL, that too at close to TSPA testimonials.

In stead of getting at KSA, unkil took a much easier target, Iraq. This achieved multiple results
- Got a potential source of oil under control for future use - lesson to KSA
- Kicked out a sunni-Arap leader under the nose of GCC. The funny thing is GCC is forced to support this.
- Installed a Shia-govt in Iraq, to undermine another enemy Iran.

The real outcome of 9/11 will roll out circa 2020-2030s.

[RamaY]

Oh drat... Now what? Is this the end of Bradfordstan, Birminghamstan and Leicesterstan?

New UK rules to hit Pakistanis hardest

Hopefully, this will also lead to the end of the "grooming" of white teenage girls for sex by Pakistani men in UK.

Now this is good news! It should stop the Pakis from escaping their sinking ship! They should all die like dignified captains responsible for the iceberg collision.

Two new laws need to be brought out!

1) If a Paki is seen talking to a non-Muslim girl, he should be castrated.

2) If any girl belonging to a "cultural minority" (read Paki) cites oppressive circumstances at home with respect to her free choice to choose a partner, then the state should provide support to her in her capacity to settle down with this partner belonging to a different culturally-defined community.

Corollary - All Paki girls should run away from home. All non-Muslim girls should stop talking to Pakis. Also Pakis cant bring in any girls from Pakistan. End result would be Pakis would become real Pakis and would have to give each other a hand and be content.

These laws need to be extended to other places like Norway, France, Germany as well. Pakis should die at home!

Birathers, sonch for a moment...

Just because the enemy puts his rabid-dog in a cage when he is home, it doesn't mean he realized the mistake of using the rabid-dog against others... RamaY-2:13 (PBUH)

***

I protest UK govt for its anti-minority laws and suppressing minority right to free speech, propagating their faith and living their lives according to their culture.

I demand GoI send a fact finding commission to UK to study the plight of Pakistani Muslims and recommend creating Islamic safe zones within Brittain.

[lakshmikanth]

^^^ I completely agree RamaY garu.

The UK is using racist laws to limit sauth asian minorities to lead a healthy normal life. Although the impact of this law does not even come close to the low-caste racist untouchable treatment meted out to Romanis and the Travellers by the institutions in the UK, the law does racially profile minorities!

How can a champion of human rights like UK which butchered Indians in artificial famines in the name of civilizing the savage, treat civilized savages like a second class human? In any case these civilized savages are coming to UQstan looking for living a comfortable life and isn't that what every UQstani wants? So why treat them different onlee?


On a positive note, I hope this makes the Bakis go even more rabid and groom more of UQstani high caste native women to live on hell on earth.

[member_22872]

I too support, Paki muslims should be given what they demand, their rights must be upheld and voices heard and just demands like these must be met:
(posting old article: )
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... osque.html

Choudary, 42 — who hailed the 9/11 monsters as “martyrs” — wants a revolution to overthrow democracy.
His mob then plans to seize the Queen’s pad, which will become the “headquarters of the Islamic States supreme leadership” and a detention centre for non-believers.

[hnair]

Oh drat... Now what? Is this the end of Bradfordstan, Birminghamstan and Leicesterstan?

New UK rules to hit Pakistanis hardest

Hopefully, this will also lead to the end of the "grooming" of white teenage girls for sex by Pakistani men in UK.

an excerpt:

The new rules will take into account £16,000 and above for the sponsor from the UK but in certain cases savings in excess of £90,000 may be required. In a dreadful move, for entry clearance purposes, only the income of the UK partner will be taken into account and it will not matter how much the person in Pakistan is making from his/her businesses or jobs.

So the RAPE can't show huge feudal wealth or land parcels and squirm in their jihadi-tainted progeny into UK? That is only good for UK. Not good for India, as pakis will waste more of our time, squirming into Mumbai....

Jrjrao-saar, as for grooming of poor white girls.... that is going to spike. Even those who ship in some unhappy ayesha-cousin as domestic slaves to UK, will join in the horrors against the unfortunate and economically backward white women. From the reports on grooming, it seemed less about economic migration and more about drug-fueled perversions of the paki nation's golden shower upon UK, their youths.

[RamaY]

Can a Muslim marry four in UKistan?

That should be the first right of any Muslim in the west.

[member_20292]

From the Indian viewpoint (as I see it) nothing would be better than the US and Pakistan fighting. Is that happening or is that not happening? Should we encourage this happy development or stop the fight and allow Pakistan to concentrate on India?

a. The US - Pak fight is a better fight than what we and the Paks are fighting. US-Pak is: I will sleep with you like a husband and provide you money, but will make you my biyotch....make you do jhadoo pocha bartan and generally be very extractive.

India Pak dynamic is non existent. Its the Indian army in Kashmir suffering the pin pricks from the Pak Army...Indian citizens getting terror attacks etc.

b. We should CONTINUE this happy development. America in south Asia is a gOOD thing. for a change, we have outsourced our terror battle to America and sit on our haunches for a while and rest in Kashmir. Of course, the long run, we should hope for the India-pak dynamic to turn to a more America Pak dynamic.
Because letzfazit...without interacting with your enemy, you have no hope of influencing him peacefully and with less brute force cost to you. Maybe the WKKs are correct about more trade etc.....will give us another handle on the Pakistani 22 families; will create an alternate power center of Pakis getting rich on trading with India...this is a good thing.

Pak army has to be undermined at all costs. As Indians, we should
a. increase trade with napakis. Create India lobbies in Pak.

b. increase funding to balochis and assorted talibs from our border consulates in afghanistan. Undermine Pak Army politically, as well as in capabilities, Siachen, aggressive forward postures. Sign No first use agreements and peace treaties with Pak army...and then undermine them . Smile and slit their throats. Try to break Pak if we can. Fund Sindhi associations...Balochi unions and reunions, Pathan-suites, etc.

c. increase funding to the afghan army, training etc....we have to step up here. The afghans are literally an errant, addicted younger brother who has to be rehabbed with our help. Slowly they will act as a soldier who can then attack Pakistan, if there breaks out a war between India and Pakistan.

[partha]

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 812179.cms

MUMBAI: Salman Khan's film 'Ek Tha Tiger' is in trouble in Pakistan. The Pakistan Electronic Media Regulatory Authority (PEMRA) has directed all satellite channels and distribution networks to refrain from airing its promos of the film till an NOC is obtained from the censor board of Pakistan.

Yashraj Films vice-president (marketing and communication) Rafiq Gangjee said, "Unfortunately, possibly owing to certain films in the past having shown the country in a bad light, we are having to pay the price with our theatrical trailer of 'Ek Tha Tiger' being restrained in Pakistan."

The film's director Kabir Khan adds, "It is because of the jingoistic films on Pak-bashing that our film is suffering. Just because there is a mention of the ISI this problem has occurred."

Gangjee justifies, "If you see the body of work of both Yash Raj Films and Salman Khan, you will appreciate that we would never go down this route."

To quell doubts about the film's anti-Pak nature, plans are afoot to organize a special preview of the film for the Pakistan government officials and agencies before the censor board clears it.

A source said, "Both Yashraj and the Pakistani distributor has big plans for the film and some officials from Yashraj will be flying down to Pakistan for the release.''

Please note that our film makers are not condemning Pak government for its lack of support to freedom of speech and expression but are blaming their fellow film makers for making movies like Lakshya, Border, LoC etc.

[ManuT]

^ 'Tere bin laden' was banned too, and now we know why.

[abhishek_sharma]

A discordant dialogue: Rajiv Pratap Rudy

[arun]

The Islamic Republic of Pakistan drastically cuts down it claim for services rendered.

Is there an element of “tactical brilliance” in this move by the Islamic Republic of Pakistan or has the attempt at blatant price padding brought down as it were, theWrath of the Amir Khan’s ?:

War on terror bills: Pakistan forgoes $1.3b claim under CSF
By Shahbaz Rana
Published: July 10, 2012

Pakistan seems to be in a giving mood, not only has it decided to relinquish transit fees for Nato supplies, it has also given up on a huge chunk of another payment from the US.

Contrary to an official statement issued earlier, Pakistan has decided to forgo $1.3 billion of the total $2.5 ‘reconciled’ outstanding amount the US was to pay under war on terror reimbursement claims of the Coalition Support Fund (CSF).

The $1.3 billion has been excluded from the “reconciled claims of $2.5 billion” for the period from July 2010 to April 2011, said a senior official from the finance ministry. The amount is even more than the $900 million the US had refused to pay.

This means the earlier total bill of $3.4 billion was overstated by a whopping $2.22 billion or 65%, and raises serious questions over the credibility of the country’s financial managers.

The official was not willing to say anything more except that the bills were inflated. ………….

[Kanishka]

The Islamic Republic of Pakistan drastically cuts down it claim for services rendered.

Is there an element of “tactical brilliance” in this move by the Islamic Republic of Pakistan or has the attempt at blatant price padding brought down as it were, theWrath of the Amir Khan’s ?:

War on terror bills: Pakistan forgoes $1.3b claim under CSF
By Shahbaz Rana
Published: July 10, 2012

Pakistan seems to be in a giving mood, not only has it decided to relinquish transit fees for Nato supplies, it has also given up on a huge chunk of another payment from the US.

Contrary to an official statement issued earlier, Pakistan has decided to forgo $1.3 billion of the total $2.5 ‘reconciled’ outstanding amount the US was to pay under war on terror reimbursement claims of the Coalition Support Fund (CSF).

The $1.3 billion has been excluded from the “reconciled claims of $2.5 billion” for the period from July 2010 to April 2011, said a senior official from the finance ministry. The amount is even more than the $900 million the US had refused to pay.

This means the earlier total bill of $3.4 billion was overstated by a whopping $2.22 billion or 65%, and raises serious questions over the credibility of the country’s financial managers.

The official was not willing to say anything more except that the bills were inflated. ………….

It is a crystal-clear case of fraudulent billing. Maybe there is an Islamic explanation for this.

[SSridhar]

It is a crystal-clear case of fraudulent billing. Maybe there is an Islamic explanation for this.

Oh yes.
A Muslim can lie for a good cause.
Gen. Zia-ul-Haq, mard-e-momin.

[pentaiah]

A nation known to cheat cookie Monster by dipping into its jar will stoop to anything, A nation born out fraud, lives in fraud.

http://www.businessinsider.com/us-termi ... eet-2012-6

KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — The U.S. Embassy in Pakistan says it terminated funding for a $20 million project to develop
a local version of Sesame Street amid reports of corruption. The organization in question is the Rafi Peer Theater Workshop,
a local group that jointly developed the show with Sesame Workshop, the creator of the American series.
Embassy spokesman Robert Raines said Tuesday the U.S. terminated funding but declined to provide details.


http://static1.businessinsider.com/imag ... street.jpg
Notice even Elmo joined the looting gang.

Quote:
War on terror bills: Pakistan forgoes $1.3b claim under CSF
By Shahbaz Rana
Published: July 10, 2012

should forgoes is in correct its "forges" (the correct word) claim.

[Roperia]

Terror group United Jehad Council's letters reveal militant strategies, infiltration routes | NDTV Video

Letters from terror group United Jehad Council, now accessed by NDTV, reveal latest militant strategies, their communication with Pakistan’s intelligence agency the ISI and the militants' routes for infiltration. here's an exclisive report.

and the Aman Ka Tamasha from our side goes on...

[Anujan]

Apparently the minarets of a Ahmadi mosque was demolished. The striking quote was:

The local police officers, DSP Kharian, Sultan Amir, and SHO Kharian, Rana Zahid Naeem, both personally supervised the erasure of the Kalima and minarets demolition work, it was further reported.

[arun]

Belief in the Mohammadden religious superstition regards procession by Jinns / Djinns / Genies , results in in a family originating in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan murdering a pregnant woman.

Regrettable living in a more rational society than Pakistan like the UK and a University education was not sufficient to erase religious conditioning:

Husband and his family convicted of killing "possessed" pregnant Birmingham woman

[arun]

Diplomat from the Islamic Republic of Pakistan accused of sexual assault in Canada.

Pakistani consular official accused of sexual assault

Not the first time the misogynist side of diplomats from the Islamic Republic of Pakistan have been on display. Back in 2003 the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s Ambassador to the UN, Munir Akram assaulted his live in girl friend:

Pakistan envoy in assault wrangle

[abhishek_sharma]

Olsen to be next U.S. ambassador to Pakistan

[Prem]

LegendaryPoaqwhore Ki Keemat For service Rendered in full Public View
US senators for release of funds to Pakistan

WASHINGTON: Pakistan should get $1.1 billion in US funds that have been held up for months now that Islamabad has reopened crucial Nato supply lines to Afghanistan, top senators said Tuesday. A major obstacle to releasing the money was removed last week when Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton apologized to Pakistan for the killing of 24 Pakistani troops last fall and Pakistan, in return, agreed to reopen the overland supply lines to US-led coalition forces.Congress has already approved the money to reimburse Pakistan for counterterrorism operations, but it has been on hold for some six months.Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin, D-Michigan, a Democrat and one of the panel’s top Republicans, Lindsey Graham, said the money should be released, albeit reluctantly.”They don’t deserve it. What they’ve done is presumably earned it by the amount of money they’ve laid out in terms of their anti-terrorist activity and protecting our lines,” Levin told a group of reporters.He said he would vote to approve the release.
The Pentagon intends to submit $1.1 billion in approved requests for reimbursement of money the Pakistan government has spent on counterterrorism operations that were incurred largely along the border.“If our commanders believe that releasing the funds helps the war effort, yes. I don’t want to second guess these people,” Graham said. “Pakistan on a good day is very hard. It is an unreliable ally. You can’t trust them, you can’t abandon them. The biggest beneficiary is the men and women fighting the war. And I want Pakistan to be stable. And if the money helps them become more stable, good.””If you cut the money off, what leverage do you have? There may come a day when we do that, but not yet,” he said.Sen Rand Paul, a Republican, is pushing for a vote later this month to cut off future funds.That vote is contingent in part on what Pakistan does in the case of Shakil Afridi, the doctor who helped the United States track down Osama bin Laden but was convicted and sentenced to 33 years for high treason. Afridi ran a vaccination program for the CIA to collect DNA and verify bin Laden’s presence at the compound in Abbottabad where US commandos found and killed the al Qaeda leader in May 2011.

[Prem]

http://dawn.com/2012/07/11/unrealistic-expectations/
Unrealistic expectations
Naa Jammu Din Ass hai Kin

Peace with the Taliban or reconciliation, however, was the principal item for the meeting that Secretary Clinton had with our foreign minister and in the first ministerial-level meeting of the ‘core group’ — Afghanistan, Pakistan and the US. It would not then be wrong to suggest that if there was seriousness and sincerity on the part of the participants the meeting of consequence for Afghanistan in Tokyo was not the jamboree of 70 nations assembled for the Tokyo Conference but these two meetings.Clinton first had a one-on-one hour-long meeting with our foreign minister and emerged to tell the press that “We want to use the positive momentum generated by our recent agreement to take tangible steps on our many shared, core interests”, and that the discussions had “focused on the necessity of defeating the terror networks that threaten the stability of both Pakistan and Afghanistan, as well as the interests of the United States”.
Later, a State Department spokesman confirmed that as always she had raised the issue of action against the Haqqani network asking that Pakistan do more and that the Pakistani minister had said that they would.Earlier, while addressing a press conference in Kabul after announcing the major non-Nato ally status for Afghanistan, Clinton had recalled “the recent call from Pakistan’s parliament that Pakistani territory shall not be used for any kind of attacks on other countries. And all foreign fighters, if found, shall be expelled from Pakistani soil”.Her next sentence was “So we want to deepen our security cooperation with Pakistan”, making clear what her expectations were. If this was not enough she spoke next of reconciliation on which she saw positive signs and connected it to the forthcoming meeting of the core group in Tokyo..
These visits should determine and implement additional concrete steps to advance Afghan reconciliation.”My purpose in using such extensive quotes is to suggest that it appears that Pakistan has at the least committed itself to persuading the ‘armed opposition’ to participate in the reconciliation as part of ‘doing more’. But perhaps this is an overly optimistic reading of what went on. After all, Secretary Clinton in describing her meeting with Minister Khar had also said that “I have no reason to believe that it will not continue to raise hard questions for us both”. This suggests that there has not been a complete meeting of minds.Press reports suggest that both our chairman joint chiefs of staff and the DG ISI are to visit the US shortly. Perhaps we will know more once they have concluded their discussions. Perhaps their talks in the US will take account of the fact that, on the one hand, Afghanistan is now a major non-Nato ally of the United States with all that implies and, on the other, that the brave words at the Tokyo Conference notwithstanding Afghanistan is bound to have an economic downturn after the Nato withdrawal and absent reconciliation this will mean serious problems for us.
The writer is a Toilet in foreign Country.

[anupmisra]

Pakis and democracy. Don't let the title fool you. Democracy still ‘preferable’ in Muslim nations, survey says

In the rest of the region, 84 per cent of Lebanese and 71 per cent of Turks say “democracy is preferable,” but Jordanians and Pakistanis are less enthusiastic, at 61 and 42 per cent respectively. HOkay! So 42% pakis prefer democracy.

In Pakistan, 82 per cent of participants feel “laws should strictly follow the teachings of the Quran.”What! 82% prefer Sharia based on al Kitab!!

How is that possible? So, somewhere there is a disconnect.

The overwhelming majority of most poll participants opposed extremists, even if al Qaeda is seen as favorable by 19 per cent of Egyptians, 16 per cent of Tunisians and 13 per cent of Pakistanis.

Aha! Here's the reason. Pakis that associate rule of law with the al kitab equate that to being democratic. Need a Venn diagram on this.

[SSridhar]

Apparently the minarets of a Ahmadi mosque was demolished. The striking quote was:

The local police officers, DSP Kharian, Sultan Amir, and SHO Kharian, Rana Zahid Naeem, both personally supervised the erasure of the Kalima and minarets demolition work, it was further reported.

This is consistent with Pakistan's Laws. How can a group, declared as non-Muslims and ordered not to use any Islamic symbolisms at all, have the temerity to write the Kalima on their walls ? Didn't the Pakistani state itself erase the word Muslim from the epitaph of Dr. Abdus Salaam leaving it "Here lies the first Muslim Nobel Laureate. . ." ? DSP Sultan Amir, and SHO Rana Zahid Naeem have simply done their sacred duty. Allah-o-Akbar.

[SSridhar]

Unrealistic expectations

Her [Ms. Hillary Clinton's] next sentence was “So we want to deepen our security cooperation with Pakistan”, making clear what her expectations were.

Won't that go against one of the conditions announced by the Parliamentary Committee that reviewed and revised the US-Pak relationship ?

[Anujan]

Bill seeking ISI’s accountability submitted to Senate
http://dawn.com/2012/07/09/bill-seeking ... to-senate/

The presidential camp plans a serious effort to tame the country’s premier intelligence agency — Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) — through parliamentary legislation and make it fully ‘answerable’ to parliament and the government.

The proposed Inter-Services Intelligence Agency (Functions, Powers and Regulation) Act, 2012 (a copy of the draft is available with Dawn), suggests that the ISI should be answerable to parliament and the prime minister. It recommends internal accountability and a better discipline system within the agency to put an end to enforced disappearances and victimisation of political parties.

Babar withdraws proposed draft making ISI accountable
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 012_pg7_11

Following the immense pressure exerted by certain quarters, opposition and coalition partners, the president’s spokesman Senator Farhatullah Babar on Tuesday withdrew his proposed draft bill pertaining to the accountability of Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI).

Downhill Skiing took less than 24 hours

Anyone remember Groper's statement in the US that ISI will be under Parliament's control followed by downhill skiing as soon as he came back?

[rajanb]

Army camp attack: Pamphlet vows more attacks if NATO supplies continue



By Our Correspondent

Published: July 11, 2012

Code: Select all

http://tribune.com.pk/story/406573/army-camp-attack-pamphlet-vows-more-attacks-if-nato-supplies-continue/

Posted in Full

LAHORE:
Militants have threatened to carry out more attacks on soldiers and government installations similar to Monday’s assault on an army camp in Gujrat, according to a pamphlet found by the police.

More attacks were forthcoming if Nato supplies were not closed, an intelligence agency report cited the pamphlet as saying.

Another intelligence agency’s report stated that terrorists linked with Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) involved in Pir Chambal incident were planning more attacks on government installations.

The agency’s report reads “……an unregistered motorcycle with a time bomb was found and the bomb was defused. At 7:30 am on Monday, a hand grenade lying in bushes also exploded but caused no damage, police found a pamphlet in which it has been threatened that their activities would continue in future due to restoration of Nato supply.”

Sadar Police Station SHO Inspector Saeed Warraich told The Express Tribune that the terrorists have warned the public, through a pamphlet, to stay away from police, security forces and intelligence agencies’ personnel because their attacks would continue everywhere in Pakistan, particularly in Punjab due to restoration of Nato supply.
Officials said that the Punjab government ignored warnings from the intelligence agencies to monitor the movement of members of banned religious outfits under the cover of Difa-e-Pakistan Council (DPC) rally.

Persons of banned outfits, who were considered so dangerous that they were barred from travelling beyond the jurisdiction of their local police stations, were seen at the DPC rally in Islamabad, said an intelligence agency report.

I, personally, used to think that we should never hope or even wish for US to quell the problems that Pakistan has inflicted on us. For me, it was always that the we should retaliate against Pakistan by means diplomatic, economic and military.

But, over the years I am beconing more convinced that the Paki use of terrorism as an extension of state diplomacy, of having invented the term "non-state actors" who were actually state brigands, is coming back to bite them. And destroy them. Ably assisted by their bumbling ally, the US.

[SSridhar]

NATO Supply Lines: Crocodile Tears and India dilute Pakistan's Ghairat - IDSA Comment by Sushant Sareen
Excerpts

Tucked somewhere in the 436 word statement of US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was a word ‘sorry’, which Pakistan latched on to as a face-saver to back down from its increasingly unsustainable and completely counter-productive show of puerile defiance.

If there was any ambiguity in Clinton’s statement, it was removed by the State Department spokesperson who said that “the statement makes clear, there were mistakes made on both sides that led to the tragic loss of life, and we are both [emphasis added] sorry for those” and for good measure added that “the intent here is that we are both sorry for the losses suffered by both our countries in this fight against terrorists”

While all of the rest of the terms and conditions on which US-Pakistan relations have been reset are not yet public, there is talk of the US rebuilding the roads damaged by the NATO container cargo, not obstructing multilateral financial institutions from extending loans to Pakistan {now, that has the potential of extending a lifeline unless stringent conditions are attached to such loans}, funding some other infrastructure projects etc.

So what prompted Pakistan to eat humble pie and reopen the logistics lines? Regardless of the spin and gloss that Pakistan puts on this decision, it was in large measure the result of sustained, and therefore successful, US economic, political and diplomatic pressure. Pakistan clearly wilted under the fear of getting completely isolated both globally as well as regionally, especially in the so-called Afghan endgame.

And the unkindest cut of all was that the Americans were blatantly using the India card to ratchet up the pressure and force compliance on Pakistan.

Pakistan was badly shaken by a move in the US Congress to get the Lashkar-e-Taiba and the Haqqani Network declared terrorist organisations, which would in turn allow for Pakistan to be labelled as a sponsor of terrorism {Lashkar-e-Taiba has already been declared by the US State Deptt as a 'Foreign Terrorist Organization'. On that point alone along with the voluminous revelations of the nexus between the PA & LeT as well as state support, Pakistan can be declared as a State Sponsor of Terrorism}

Let’s grant it to the Americans that they know their Pakistan much better than the Indians. They know how to exploit Pakistan’s insecurity and indeed its inveterate hatred of and compulsive hostility towards India

No-war-no-peace suits America for now and in these circumstances the US can cause enormous uneasiness inside the Pakistani establishment circles by not merely tilting but actually weighing in on India’s side.

Pakistan has gone too far down the radical Islamist road for it to ever have peace and quiet.

In other words, after all the song and dance, it will be back to business as usual and none of the apocalyptic scenarios being floated are likely to come into play for some time to come.

[SSridhar]

Anyone remember Groper's statement in the US that ISI will be under Parliament's control followed by downhill skiing as soon as he came back?

The announcement made at 9 PM on July 26, 2008 was rescinded by 3 AM on July 27, 2008 - a matter of 6 hours.

[rajanb]

Good post SS

So, either it is the US or the pakis own homegrown purest mafia-al-kitab which will alternate between squeezing them. Will they ever both squeeze them at the same time (not jointly)?

[Neela]

America is not fighting a war on its border and America has shown what will happen if it is attacked.The USA took the war to where it came from (or very close to it at least ) . It also was duped all along and they are partly stupid. But the intent is there to fight.

Neelaji are you writing this to make me laugh, or are you writing it as an example of what should be done. It sounds like a classic example of screwing oneself while making some people poorer in your country and ensuring that the wrong Pakis get rich and powerful.

The Pakis despite the overt, covert threats, use proxies to fight the Americans. Americans use drones against Pakis .While they maintain a semblance of a working relationship, in reality , they are using their proxy forces in that area to fight each other. I really like that will to fight! Amreekis or Pakis dead - does not matter but each is fighting for something they believe in. I have laboured enough on this and I think I will withdraw from engaging you on this topic. Thanks.

Sometime back, there was a discussion about India is not giving Pakistan a reason to fight and the idea behind that was Pakistan would crumble wihtout a reason to unite. I am saying that it will be long before that happens and when it does, there will be something that will come out of it which will still want to fight India. We have to take the fight to foreign lands and keep unrest far away from Indian borders.

From the Indian viewpoint (as I see it) nothing would be better than the US and Pakistan fighting. Is that happening or is that not happening? Should we encourage this happy development or stop the fight and allow Pakistan to concentrate on India?

Wrong ! "Nothing better" from Indian viewpoint is to de-fang TSP completely and prevent that area from being a source of trouble. And de-fanging here means any organization or cause that is inimical to India. By all means , let the the US and Pakis slug it . But for us , there s no guarantee that in the future, we will have no trouble from that region.
If we want to achieve that, I am pretty sure it does not just mean meditating under the banyan tree and a wry smile when looking at Amreeki-Paki fisticuffs.

[SSridhar]

Tiger touches a raw nerve in Pakistan - Anita Joshua in The Hindu

[Aditya_V]

Tiger touches a raw nerve in Pakistan - Anita Joshua in The Hindu

So now bollywood is free to make movies like Shaurya but praise ISI??

[Dipanker]

Police demolish Ahmadi worship place minarets in Kharian

LAHORE: Six minarets of an Ahmadi place of worship, Bait-ul-Hamd, were demolished by the Kharian city police Tuesday night.
The demolition took place on the application of Saqib Shakeel Ghazi, Syed Iftikhar Kazmi and others from the Barelvi religious organisation called Tehreek-e-Tahaffuz-e-Islam. It had been filed to the Kharian police station.
The application asked the police to take action under the Section 298 B and C of the 1984 ordinance, which declares it illegal for Ahmadis to act or look like Muslims, to practice or propagate their faith and to call their worship place a “mosque”. There were no court orders for the demolition.
Police personnel, under the supervision of DSP Sultan Meeran, assisted by SHO Kharian Sadar Police Station Raja Zahid went to the worship place located near Kabari Bazar, Pul Nullah in Kharian.
Ahmadi community spokesperson Nasir Dar told The Express Tribune that six minarets had already been demolished whereas the police would demolish the two bigger ones later on as one was attached to the worship place’s electric supply and the other would fall on the building if not taken apart with the help of skilled labour.
The Kalma written on the front of the worship place’s entrance was also removed by the police as well, and the complimentary quotes about Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) were whitewashed.

[shiv]

Wrong ! "Nothing better" from Indian viewpoint is to de-fang TSP completely and prevent that area from being a source of trouble. And de-fanging here means any organization or cause that is inimical to India. By all means , let the the US and Pakis slug it . But for us , there s no guarantee that in the future, we will have no trouble from that region.
If we want to achieve that, I am pretty sure it does not just mean meditating under the banyan tree and a wry smile when looking at Amreeki-Paki fisticuffs.

Are you suggesting that India should join in American-Paki fisticuffs rather than watching and enjoying? Join on whose side? Pakistan or America? Are you saying we should help America because Pakistan is an enemy? If America wants to fight Pakistan, it would make sense for India to let them slug it out. You talk as if Pakistan's relations with India have no America factor. That is a lie. I don't know whom you are trying to delude but this is what I call "shielding America" by playing dumb and acting as if there is an innocent two way fight between India and Pakistan, America has played no role and India is "not willing to fight" and you admire people who fight - both Americans and Pakistanis.

I am also admiring the fight. From under the Banyan tree that you mentioned. But we must not join so long as they fight. We need to encourage them to fight by expressing our admiration for both. Especially Pakistan, which is capable of defeating superpowers. Like it defeated the USSR. America does not need our help. America as you have pointed out, has bravely moved the fight out of USA into Afghanistan (with a minor digression in Iraq). They are almost where they need to be, but they are not there yet. Let them find out slowly. What's the hurry? After all they have paid Pakistan 22 billion dollars and given arms to fight India. Why jump into this mess just because some people admire countries that fight?

[SSridhar]

Tiger touches a raw nerve in Pakistan - Anita Joshua in The Hindu

So now bollywood is free to make movies like Shaurya but praise ISI??

Salman Khan & Director Kabir Khan willing to visit Pakistan to set their fears at rest

When asked about it, Kabir told TOI, "It's disturbing for Ek Tha Tiger to be perceived as an anti-Pakistan film. But it isn't surprising. Look at the cheap jingoistic anti-Pakistan films that have released over the years. We can't really blame them if they perceive Ek Tha Tiger as one such film. Neither Salman nor I have ever visited Pakistan. So why not? We are willing to do anything that's required to make Pakistanis believe that our project is not against them. I don't think the trailer being banned is a big deal. Once the film releases, the truth will be out."

[habal]

United States is India's biggest enemy, & it's modus operandi is pretty cute.

It will not allow India to invade Pakistan, as Mr. Pranab Mukherjee has pointed out .. "If we had entered PoK, they would have invaded Kashmir". "they" in this case clearly refers to UN under protection of US.

So game plan of US is to continuously instigate Pakistan against India, and play off both and make a sham pretension to be neutral. It simultaneously ties India's retaliatory capacity with implicit threats to use NATO and UN against supposedly disputed territory. In this play-off against each other only gainer is US.

Someone wrote in the Mughal era thread in general discussion forum on Akbar playing off two groups of brahmins by giving them weapons and replacing the fallen ones by muslim soldiers. So gradually it's anybody's guess as to who really won.

this is whats going on here.

India is not allowed to retaliate, and Pakistan is encouraged to poke and prod. Ultimately it's not Pakistan, but India that will fall underneath this contradiction.

[Altair]

United States is India's biggest enemy

About time India acknowledges this publicly and act accordingly and the Good General did say that exactly. India and US will be seeing eye to eye very soon.

[habal]

there is only a 3-4 year window where India has a chance to prevail.