Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

[CRamS]

svenkatJi,

Not even close. To attribute any other motive other than "South Asia" brotherhood, at the expense of India, to our current crop of eunuch leaders is an insult to Chanakya. But of course, these eunuchs have been voted to power by 1.2 billion Indians. So you draw the syllogistic conclusion.

[ramana]

To gurus,
Can we interpret GOI moves as chankian of the greatest degree?By professing amankey asha,we are letting pakhanastan auto-cannibalise itself giving them no chance to gang up?

TSPA personnel are being sent to jannat,not just FC men.Also Lakki marwat is in KP,not FATA.This is causing enormous khujli in deffndumb forums.

I don't know if its Chankian but definitely they are inspired by fall of Soviet Union and the unification of Germany. The Pakis should beware of their moves and be on eternal watch and keep purifying themselves of weak kneed leaders and jihadis.

The West wants India to get embroiled in a fight that would take down the TSP but more importantly India would be wounded grievously if not fatally. This want never materializes as the much touted "Indian rope trick" that every Westerner claims to have witnessed but is never witnessed by the Indian public.

So the GOI definitely wants to let TSP take itself out like Dalrymplestiltskin in rage. So they keep giving homage to the greatness of the Islamics.

[Baikul]

http://ispr.gov.pk/Gyari%20Shuhada.pdf
This pdf seems to be a link to all those who met their 72 in the Siachen avalanche.......

This is a small sample size no doubt, but I found it interesting that from the pictures a 100% of the officers (3) had full length beards, but it was nowhere as high for the mango abdul soldier.

[anupmisra]

Kargil war (please note that I am not calling it an incident or a half war) is turning out be a bigger blowback in pakiland than previously thought, with all the new revelations. Not sure if the following episodes of Capital Talk have been posted but it would be worth our time to do a carfeul review of the three episodes, draw a time line, infer the thought process amongst the military paki leadership, and perhaps revise our projections on the events that are likely to take place from now on (Hint: PA reaction to the Kargil enquiry commission).

First the links:

Capital Talk January 31 - part 1

Capital Talk January 31 - part 2

Capital Talk January 31 - part 3

Basically, Kargil war, for the pakis in my opinion, will turn out to be bigger than the one in 1965. One fundamental point that comes across is that the paki leadership (read: PA) is incapable of strategic thinking and only focuses on tactical moves for momentary gains. Secondly, PA has always underestimated their adversaries. Thirdly, no one (including those inbreds on the panel) even accepts the immorality, illegality and the uselessness of initiating the Kargil war. These same morons would have praised Musharraf if he had been successful in his tactical move.

[CRamS]

Two events in India, one good and the other bad from a TSP bashing PoV.

First the good. I notice the IPL actions have started in India full swing, and no Paki terrorist player is being auctioned. TSP must be seeting with anger. I love it. But is my happiness only temporary, and at some point MMSJi will intervene and let the Paki terrorists play in IPL?

Now the bad. I watched an interviw with Kamal Hasan about his movie Vishvaroopam. Apparently, what upset Indian Muslims is some American soldier being killed by Al Queda with Quaran verses being played in the background. This is apparently stereotying Muslims, so says even loud mouth Arnab. Now from a TSP PoV, why is this bad? Here is why. What has some Al Queda doing to an American of any interest to India and Kamal Hasan? Couldn't he have picked a Paki pigLeT slaughtering an Indian? He sure would have educated Indians about the vilness of TSP using Islamic terrorists against India. But no, the lazy route is about what harm is done to whites by Islamists, and thats his depiction of evil, not what is more closer to home. Of course the ensuing protests and India's caving is even worse. Thus, for me the whole episode, what he chose to portray and the protests, are symptomatic of bogus secularim rendering India impotent in the face of TSP onslaught.

[Prem]

svenkatJi,

Not even close. To attribute any other motive other than "South Asia" brotherhood, at the expense of India, to our current crop of eunuch leaders is an insult to Chanakya. But of course, these eunuchs have been voted to power by 1.2 billion Indians. So you draw the syllogistic conclusion.

Suspicion of Vision for the Blind Men of Hindoostan is unfounded. The Dung Tupao external, internal policy of GOI is like Walnut on a round plate carried by Hunchbacked Piggmy.

[arun]

X Posted from the “Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine etc.” thread.

Green on Green Intra-Mohammadden violence by way of a demonstration of the IEDology of Pakistan results in the Ununiformed Jihadi’s killing two Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Army of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan:

Must be pretty confusing to belong to an Army whose motto touts “Jihad in the Path of Allah” or in Urdu “jihad fi sabilillah” and then get killed by others also claiming to wage Jihad:

Two soldiers killed in Orakzai IED blast

[ashkrishna]

"Iman, Taqwa, Jihad fi sabal allah" - Obedience, fear and Jihad in the name of Allah. That was the creation of the greatest military-mullah Zia-ul-Haq.

[Lilo]

http://ispr.gov.pk/Gyari%20Shuhada.pdf
This pdf seems to be a link to all those who met their 72 in the Siachen avalanche.......

This is a small sample size no doubt, but I found it interesting that from the pictures a 100% of the officers (3) had full length beards, but it was nowhere as high for the mango abdul soldier.

Also of the five Sweepers in the list, three were Masih (i.e Christian) and one was Ali (probably Shia) .
The Pakjabi army is thus a paradigm of Islamic purity, the higher you are in the hierarchy the purer you are compared to lower levels.

[sum]

^^ No SSG Kammandus in the list or there are some unmentioned folks also like in Kargil time?

Saw just one officer with para wings....

[SSridhar]

TTP express 'conditional willingness' to hold talks - DAWN

The spokesman for the outlawed Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) Ehsanullah Ehsan has said that the organisation was willing to hold talks with the government and security forces provided that Pakistan Muslim League – Nawaz (PML-N) chief Nawaz Sharif, chief of the Jamiat Ulema-i-Islam-Fazl (JUI-F) Maulana Fazal-ur-Rehman or Jamaat-i-Islami (JI) Ameer Syed Munawar Hasan were guarantors for the talks , DawnNews repored on Sunday.

The TTP spokesman said in a video interview received by Dawn.com that in order to hold talks the organisation wanted Maulvi Omar, TTP’s Swat leader Muslim Khan and other leaders and commanders who are in government custody to be freed adding that Maulvi Omar and Muslim Khan, would lead the Taliban delegation to hold the talks.

Ehsan further said that the Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) was responsible for the killings of religious scholars in Karachi warning that the killers would be sternly dealt with.

[JohnTitor]

Must be pretty confusing to belong to an Army whose motto touts “Jihad in the Path of Allah” or in Urdu “jihad fi sabilillah” and then get killed by others also claiming to wage Jihad

[pgbhat]

http://ispr.gov.pk/Gyari%20Shuhada.pdf
This pdf seems to be a link to all those who met their 72 in the Siachen avalanche.......

This is a small sample size no doubt, but I found it interesting that from the pictures a 100% of the officers (3) had full length beards, but it was nowhere as high for the mango abdul soldier.

Hardly any Pakjabis in the list (probably not cut out for mountain warfare) most of them are from POK looks like.

[svenkat]

ramanaji/CRSji.
Thanks.

CRSji,
Please go through ramanajis comments.

[ramana]

svenkat, We used to have "think like a Paki" thread. Time to revive it?

[Anujan]

Here is an article that says terrorism in Pakistan is same as tourism in India because both yields dollars and oh Indians are brown and smelly.

http://dawn.com/2013/02/01/tourism-terr ... nd-empire/

[sadhana]

In the last few weeks there has been so much Pak venting against India on the flimsiest of excuses. Now it is how disobliging of India to exist so Westerners cook up books and movies about it.

I wonder if Life of Pi involving SDREs was the trigger of latest Pak angst

Waiting for Pak writers to express their existential hurt about proliferation of ubiquitous Injun characters in American TV serials.

[CRamS]

Here is an article that says terrorism in Pakistan is same as tourism in India because both yields dollars and oh Indians are brown and smelly.

http://dawn.com/2013/02/01/tourism-terr ... nd-empire/

This takes TSP obsession with India, and equal equal to dizzying heights. .

SadhnaJi, I think latest TSP angst comes from calls in India to cut pee pee contacts and has shown TSP that India is actually doing them a favor by alllowing pee pee contact, and India can live without it, while they can't.

[Anujan]

Bina Shah wrote a column on "oh why do they hate us? Is it because of partition? Is it because of dominating mother? Etc etc ". The whole column is drivel (she misses the basic point -- most Indians are too young to remember partition. Going by the same logic we should all hate Britain and Portugal for colonizing India ) the issue is Pakistanis train and send terrorists. Well we've had srilankan terrorists too -- one of them killed rajiv Gandhi. We aren't pissed with srilanka because "we are victims too " was actually true in Sri Lankan context. Pakistanis on the other hand don't understand that we are pissed with them because of terrorist support from army, judiciary, omission and commission from politicians. Fellows who planned Mumbai attacks are still running free.

Then why is a smart and educated motorma not understand this? It is because in any conflict where Side A is playing dirty (sending terrorists ) and demanding something (JK) and Side B wants the dirty tricks to stop and status quo maintained -- when the conflict stops -- side A has stopped sending terrorists and withdrawn demand for JK and thinks it has compromised. Side A asks "we have been so nice what do we get in return? " Side B thinks "WTF?! What do you want now that you stopped asking what is mine and stopped sending terrorists? A cookie? "

That is the problem of Pakistanis. Their angst is that they haven't sent terrorists for spectacular terror attacks in the past month and think that they are being nice. They want siachen in return.

So that's why India should demand all of JK and send money and arms to Baluchistan. That way a compromise could be: we stop asking each other what is not ours and stop killing people.

[RajeshA]

So that's why India should demand all of JK and send money and arms to Baluchistan. That way a compromise could be: we stop asking each other what is not ours and stop killing people.

We should not compromise with a pig! Pigs should be slaughtered and be grilled. Sorry to all vegetarians!

Baluchistan should not be compromised on! Our compromise should be only that after Pakistan has been broken up, we are willing to consider whether we hit them on the nose or in their bellies.

[putnanja]

Bina Shah wrote a column on "oh why do they hate us? Is it because of partition? Is it because of dominating mother? Etc etc ". The whole column is drivel (she misses the basic point -- most Indians are too young to remember partition. Going by the same logic we should all hate Britain and Portugal for colonizing India ) the issue is Pakistanis train and send terrorists. Well we've had srilankan terrorists too -- one of them killed rajiv Gandhi. We aren't pissed with srilanka because "we are victims too " was actually true in Sri Lankan context. Pakistanis on the other hand don't understand that we are pissed with them because of terrorist support from army, judiciary, omission and commission from politicians. Fellows who planned Mumbai attacks are still running free.

Then why is a smart and educated motorma not understand this? It is because in any conflict where Side A is playing dirty (sending terrorists ) and demanding something (JK) and Side B wants the dirty tricks to stop and status quo maintained -- when the conflict stops -- side A has stopped sending terrorists and withdrawn demand for JK and thinks it has compromised. Side A asks "we have been so nice what do we get in return? " Side B thinks "WTF?! What do you want now that you stopped asking what is mine and stopped sending terrorists? A cookie? "

That is the problem of Pakistanis. Their angst is that they haven't sent terrorists for spectacular terror attacks in the past month and think that they are being nice. They want siachen in return.

So that's why India should demand all of JK and send money and arms to Baluchistan. That way a compromise could be: we stop asking each other what is not ours and stop killing people.

Anujan mian, why don't you send your response to the site? Will be interesting to see if they publish it:D

[Anujan]

Well, it will be buried under a pile of Pakis yelling "Bravo" and Indians yelling "terrorists!" and Pakis yelling "What about 600000000 cashmeeris killed by 7000000000000 army men?!"

I have other means of responding to her.

BTW that reminds me of a form of prisoner control in Jails. When convicts start protesting for better treatment, the Jailers take away their mattress. And after a week or so and after much negotiation the jailers return the mattress. Satisfied that their demands are met, the convicts stop protesting.

[partha]

Here is an article that says terrorism in Pakistan is same as tourism in India because both yields dollars and oh Indians are brown and smelly.

http://dawn.com/2013/02/01/tourism-terr ... nd-empire/

Bhaat the phock? The same old - India Pakistan same onlee but India good in PR, marketing onlee. This author is a PhD candidate it seems. How come some of the best Lahori logic comes from Pakis doing higher studies in Western Universities? Do these Unis have some quota for Pakis?

[Anujan]

The best and most relevant comment there was "Did you know that all rock pigeons all over the world originated from India, Pakistan and Iran three thousand years ago?" "There was no Pakistan 3000 years ago".

[Prem]

The best and most relevant comment there was "Did you know that all rock pigeons all over the world originated from India, Pakistan and Iran three thousand years ago?" "There was no Pakistan 3000 years ago".

This is where simple people get it wrong.Pakistan came along as natural need from the humanity's shift to sedentary life style. Indus Valley ruins tell us that every house had Pakistan and the mechanism to flush it . Sunn Deol was right when he said Lahore Dhi Gandi Nali Da Gunda Deen Muhamad at Longewala.

[Cosmo_R]

The best and most relevant comment there was "Did you know that all rock pigeons all over the world originated from India, Pakistan and Iran three thousand years ago?" "There was no Pakistan 3000 years ago".

Dear Anujan ^^, they are claiming credit for 3,000 year old pigeon droppings that apparently are the dark matter genesis of pakistan. I for one say it fits a pattern and that they can be allowed to claim lineage.

[shiv]

I wonder if Life of Pi involving SDREs was the trigger of latest Pak angst

Not just plain ol' SDREs but the SDREiest of SDREs speaking that awful Dravidian language that we fair skinned and tight assed Pakistanis who came riding on horses from Europe and defeated and sent packing to SDREland.

But Pakistan is older than you guys think and I shamelessly promote:

Pakistan - Amazing facts and myths

[Brad Goodman]

Ghost of Inder Kumar Gujaral is still haunting us

Unreliable sources may be taking intelligence agencies for a ride

NEW DELHI: A series of dramatic intelligence inputs by various agencies from along the India-Pakistan border has raised troubling questions if untrustworthy sources are feeding fantastic stories for a payment.

The situation is worse along the border, where there is jostling among the several intelligence agencies to collect information from Pakistan. So a flourishing intelligence industry has sprung up, with many sources. Some of these sources are smugglers who frequently cross borders, and most others are residents of villages along the border. In a large number of cases, they are just feeding the information that Indian agencies want to hear and not always the truth, many here suspect.

[Anujan]

Shady intelligence and planted stories are always part of the game. People might be doing for money or worse are mole of the enemy. Nobody is immune from it. Event the great Massa was taken for a ride by Chalabbi.

Every professional intelligence agency knows how to sort the nandi dropping for gold nuggets

[saip]

Thenews.com.pk is hacked by Pakbugs.com!

[Anindya]

That is the problem of Pakistanis. Their angst is that they haven't sent terrorists for spectacular terror attacks in the past month and think that they are being nice. They want siachen in return. That is the problem of Pakistanis. Their angst is that they haven't sent terrorists for spectacular terror attacks in the past month and think that they are being nice. They want siachen in return.

Bina Shah's rant does not explain why in the yearly BBC poll of countries, Pakistan invariably lands amongst the most hated countries in the world. Why is this the case?

India has been more than generous to Pakistan – we have provided access to our markets, our medical facilities, our job markets and our educational institutions to them, for almost nothing in return. After all, what is the value of getting market access to Pakistan for India – given, the size of our total trade, this is pittance. On the other hand, Pakistan getting access to significant trade dollars from India will result in more funding of waging war against India.

Providing access to Pakistanis, to our universities will invariably result in headlines like “IIT student blows up building” at some point in the future.

People to People contacts is just another red herring – b’cos people to people contacts with Pakistan has always worsened the internal security of non-muslim countries, that has been the target of such contacts.

Strategically, we have agreed to (at the detriment to our own interests) providing 80% by volume of Indus waters to Pakistan, which at the most should have been 40%. What has India received for this generosity?

In the end, India and Indians have not been able to ask the basic question – what has Pakistan put on the table, for all that they have been given by India.

[Prem]

Poaqs Remain Crow
Afghans stop 200 Pakistani containers

QUETTA: The Afghan border authorities have stopped over 200 Pakistani containers carrying food items to Turkmenistan and other Central Asian states under transit trade from entering Afghanistan via Chaman.Pakistani border authorities said on Sunday that Afghan security forces also retuned a number of containers which had entered Vesh, the first border town on the Pakistan-Afghan border.When the Chaman Chamber of Commerce and Industry approached the Afghan authorities, they said ]“We will not allow the Pakistani containers to move to Turkmenistan and other Central Asian states unless our containers are given clearance,” CCCI President Daru Khan Achakzai quoted the Afghan officials as saying.According to sources, the authorities in Islamabad have contacted officials in Kabul to resolve the matter as early as possible because the containers are carrying perishable items which will get damaged in a few days.“The government should immediately step in to resolve the issue because exporters will suffer losses of billions of rupees if the Afghan authorities do not allow the containers to continue the onward journey,” Daro Khan said.Haji Ghuos Allah, an exporter, suggested that if Kabul failed to resolve the issue the Pakistan government should not allow Afghan trade with India through the Wagah border.

[sadhana]

Then why is a smart and educated motorma not understand this? It is because in any conflict where Side A is playing dirty (sending terrorists ) and demanding something (JK) and Side B wants the dirty tricks to stop and status quo maintained -- when the conflict stops -- side A has stopped sending terrorists and withdrawn demand for JK and thinks it has compromised. Side A asks "we have been so nice what do we get in return? " Side B thinks "WTF?! What do you want now that you stopped asking what is mine and stopped sending terrorists? A cookie? "

That is the problem of Pakistanis. Their angst is that they haven't sent terrorists for spectacular terror attacks in the past month and think that they are being nice. They want siachen in return.

So that's why India should demand all of JK and send money and arms to Baluchistan. That way a compromise could be: we stop asking each other what is not ours and stop killing people.

If India does send money and arms to Baluchistan, Lahori logic will turn it around and blame India 'Pak sent terrorists for spectacular terror attacks 1987-2013 because India sent men and money to Baluchistan in 2012'.

Not opining here on whether India should or should not/does send money and arms to Baluchistan, just pointing out that Lahori logic by definition turns all earthly logic on its head.

Examples
Jinnah demanded Pakistan and berated Congress in public for 7 years 1940-1947 for not agreeing to grant Pakistan but Jinnah didn't want Pakistan and Congress is responsible for granting it.

Jinnah and ML celebrated Pakistan Day every year from 1940-1948 but Pakistan Day was not celebrated till Ayub Khan's military government 'created' this day.

Pakistan attacked India in 1948, 1965, 1999 but India was responsible for creating the conditions for Pakistan to attack.

https://twitter.com/NasimZehra/status/2 ... 6373826561
@NasimZehra
@asgj390 @marvisirmed @ejazhaider Pakistan started the wars and India created the conditions."

[svinayak]

So that's why India should demand all of JK and send money and arms to Baluchistan. That way a compromise could be: we stop asking each other what is not ours and stop killing people
Pakistan attacked India in 1948, 1965, 1999 but India was responsible for creating the conditions for Pakistan to attack.

@asgj390 @marvisirmed @ejazhaider Pakistan started the wars and India created the conditions."

Pakistanis also think they are a nation. They think they are entitled to many things and they are the chosen people.
Pakistan has a first claim and all the needs of the Muslims in the world including India is their property

[member_20292]

good

http://dawn.com/2013/01/31/zero-iq-thirty/

[Comer]

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/the-r ... /1068806/0

Shastri's greater worry was about the withdrawal of troops to the positions they held before Pakistan's infiltrations into Kashmir on August 5. The Indian army had paid a heavy price to wrest from Pakistan the highly strategic Haji Pir Pass, the most convenient route for Pakistan's infiltrators.

The message he brought back was that while the Soviet Union stuck to its traditional stand that Kashmir was a part of India, it was also of the firm view that peace between India and Pakistan must be established on the basis of the UN Security Council resolution of September 20, which demanded the "withdrawal of all armed personnel to positions held prior to August 5, 1965".

Am not familiar with this episode, why was FSU keen on a balancing act between India and Paki?

[anupmisra]

Poaqs Remain Crow
Afghans stop 200 Pakistani containers

Haji Ghuos Allah, an exporter

[anupmisra]

That is the problem of Pakistanis. Pakistan attacked India in 1948, 1965, 1999 but India was responsible for creating the conditions for Pakistan to attack.

Yep! The pakis are right after all. There's always a reason that leads to their blood boiling and a war becomes necessary. Its called victimhood. Ask a German why the Nazis murdered six million Jews and he will probably give you the same lame argument going back to the Elders of Zion. Ask a Turk about the Armenians and you will get the same nauseating response of how the Armenians did this or that. But then the pakis have learnt it from the best teacher there ever was or will be, their prophet. Al Kitab has glorious examples extolling the hind sight virtue of their fearless leader marauding communities, always with a reason. Bin Qasim (remember him?) also was given a mundane reason by his uncle.

[RajeshA]

Ask a German why the Nazis murdered six million Jews and he will probably give you the same lame argument going back to the Elders of Zion.

hardly! How many Germans did you hear say that?

[SSridhar]

Mullah Diesel Welcomes Taliban's 'Positive' Conditions for Talks with Government of Pakistan - DAWN

Jamiat Ulema-i-Islam-Fazl (JUI-F) chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman on Monday welcomed “positive” demands by Pakistani Taliban of making Sharif, Hasan and himself guarantor for holding peace talks with the government, DawnNews reported.

Speaking to media representatives, he said the conditions set by the banned Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) for holding talks was a progress in the right direction.

TTP spokesman Ehsnaullah Ehsan, in a video interview, had said on Saturday that if Pakistan Muslim League–Nawaz (PML-N) chief Nawaz Sharif, Jamaat-i-Islami (JI) Ameer Syed Munawar Hasan and Fazlur Rehman acted as guarantors for the peace talks, they would be willing to negotiate in the best interest of the country.

The JUI-F chief recommended using the platform of FATA’s grand Jirga for peace negations with the outlaws.

Meanwhile, expressing his reservations on the issue, JI’s Deputy Secretary General Farid Ahmed Piracha had told Dawn that his party was not going to oblige the TTP’s demands.

“How can we become a guarantor (in talks) when the government is not ready to implement even the resolutions of parliament,” he added.

Earlier, speaking to a press conference, Maulana Fazlur Rehman, who also heads the National Assembly’s Kashmir committee, said Kashmir was a human and political issue and Pakistan was fighting a war of rules rather than of land.

He said the committee has submitted its recommendations to the government on the Kashmir issue.