Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10, 2015

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 25 Aug 2015 03:58

http://swarajyamag.com/world/why-delhi- ... islamabad/
Why Delhi Does Not Need A Full Diplomatic Mission In Islamabad
The cancellation of the scheduled talks between the national security advisors of India and Pakistan, Ajit Doval and Sartaj Aziz, felt like euthanasia – unpleasant but a welcome respite given the lack of alternatives. Rawalpindi’s persistence in sabotaging talks – terrorist attacks, cross-border shelling, infiltration attempts, and insisting on talking to Kashmiri separatists, the All-Party Hurriyat Conference (APHC) – ultimately paid off.
There will be an outpouring of concern in editorials over the next few days over how recklessly Narendra Modi is steering the country’s foreign policy with regard to Pakistan, but it is difficult to imagine the editorials remaining silent had talks continued – in all likelihood, the Modi government would have been criticised for continuing with talks despite repeated and deadly provocations, not to mention an inexplicable and sudden softness in its Pakistan policy. As such, these opinions are worthless for the goal appears to be more Modi-bashing and less critical thought.
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If Pakistan cannot conduct itself in the manner befitting the basis of diplomatic exchange, there is no reason to accord them that privilege. In fact, there is little reason for Delhi to maintain a full mission in Islamabad. India can request the United States, Pakistan’s great benefactor, to host an Indian diplomatic interests section within its embassy; all critical communications can be relayed out of the section without having to maintain the charade of normal relations.......
Gautam

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 25 Aug 2015 05:04

Cosmo_R wrote: Fault the idiots in MEA for the UFA stupidity. Doval is batting under his capability and average.

It is pretty clear that Ufa idiocy was the brainchild of the MEA, as they have been repeating this same idiocy as pak policy for decades. For the first time, India has acted as unpredictably as Pakistan, which is an improvement. While the likes of KC Singh are arguing about the language of the Ufa text to blame the Modi govt. and disparaging Doval, what the duo have done is basically ignore whatever was written, and lay down the line outside of the written agreement, exactly as pakistan does all the time. Screw written agreements when it comes to effing pakis --- India is no more beholden to any script just like pakistan. Reasonableness be damned.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 25 Aug 2015 05:11

Creepy traitor Thappad and old fart having a love chat on India Today TV.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 25 Aug 2015 05:38

http://thewire.in/2015/08/24/indias-sig ... ying-9085/

KC Singh vomits in Siddarth Varadarajan's blog....very appropriate spot for it.

his was a repeat of Act I, which commenced during the PM’s swearing in ceremony in May 2014 with the visible bonhomie similarly altering a year ago in August, on the eve of Foreign Secretary level talks over the Pakistani induction of Hurriyat into a bilateral engagement, into identical bickering.

You would think this wanker KC Singh, with all his years in the govt. would know enough about pakis to know that such "bickering" is never of India's making, but apparently not.

KCSingh wrote: Firstly this may be pragmatism laced with hyper-nationalism. In other words, he is looking at Pakistan primarily through a security perspective, which his core support applauds. This would be a mirror image of how Pakistani army looks at India.

According to this moron Pakistan commiting terror and its implacable hostility is because the army looks at India through a"security perspective" -- that fact that pakistan's terrorism is why India is forced to look at pakistan through a security perspective is lost on this fool? He does not even have the understanding CFair has of Pakistani army's motivation to be hostile to India. Gratuitously terms it "hyper-nationalism" while he is at it too.

The tool's opinion of Doval

KCSingh wrote: I've known him for 20yrs. He's a great field operator. But NSA mustn't handle ops. He has2 present policy options.

What "ops" did Doval handle here exactly? He was going to hold talks with Gollum which is part of his job description.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 25 Aug 2015 05:49

A Lt. colonel, you say?

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 25 Aug 2015 06:18

KC Singh is a C-System breed just like MKN, SSM, etc. Their primary aim is preservation of the Lutyen's clique and their allies which keep them running. It's a huge architecture which spans the scientific, corporate, defense, education, PSU, etc sectors. We should rejoice at his outburst against Doval. It only means that they have been stabbed and are bleeding out slowly.

I'm more convinced now that the long term threat to our dharmic civilization and nation state is the West. It's not China or Pakistan. When the US and EU go through economic and social crisis they will fall back on their Christian heritage and whip up anti-minority rhetoric. What better battleground than India for their security architecture. They'll need something to do too. They will try to turn us into a Khichdi state and use us to scorch the whole neighborhood. If they can't be # 1, they won't let anyone else take it either.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 25 Aug 2015 06:19

there is no end to the traitory of the haters of bjp. just to spite bjp these haters would go to any extent.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 25 Aug 2015 06:48

Very sad to see KC Singh go down this route.
The guy was very reasonable in the past when MMS was PM.

He probably is a MMS-Cong stooge.

There are two breeds of such animals that desh needs to guard against
1. These anglisized, incompetent morons, whose natural breeding ground is the Congress ecosystem, with the lisense permit raj and babucracy
2. The 5 star hopping jhola chaaps - left leaning, disruptors, and antinationals

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 25 Aug 2015 07:07

KC Singh is a mole.... his blogs article a veiled signal to his masters...MAD will crack his ....

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 25 Aug 2015 07:11

I think KLNMurthy's description of just regular cliquish behavior and khujli re: doval explains KCSingh's asshattery. Apparently he is "intrigued" by the "signals" sent by this NSA meeting "deadlock", and did some anal-e-sys in siddarth varadarajan's blog.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 25 Aug 2015 07:27

gakakkad wrote:
Gagan wrote:The status of Pakistan's nuclear weapons program is well known.
It is a bit of a non issue at its current status.

What is of concern is them aquring a Pu based option in the future

do they have a functional FBR somewhere ? most probably they ll have semi assembled Pu based devices .. one thing we need to watch out for is unconventional delivery platforms ...like civilian airliners ...or a train or bus even... In event of a war , I doubt they ll rely on missiles for delivery...16s can probably deliver them ...but I doubt they could config it...and they don't have a bomber...

Some technical info FWIW -- (For technology standpoint..specially for a non-technological unit)

As some say, for technological challenges -- Uranium based weapons are easy to build but raw material is difficult to get.
(Centrifuges require much more technology than building a gun-type firing mechanism)
For Pu, it is opposite..The raw material is easy to get but implosion type device still requires technology that is not available that easily. (One can smuggle Pu from existing reactors etc..any old fashioned nuclear reactor will produce Pu - and chemical separating is much easier - not to mentioned that lot of Pu (one requires only about 5-10 Kg - can be acquired from black market etc) ..

Since Pakis have centrifuges so they have HEU..With Khusab, they ought to have enough Pu for their suicide vest.. don't know if they have perfected any implosion type trigger

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 25 Aug 2015 07:27

Pakis wanted to bury the Ufa document and they succeeded.

As opposed to the previous regime's objective (Pakistan-India bhai bhai, people to people contact, lunch in amritsar, dinner in lahore, open borders, A monkey ayesha etc etc), this dispensation just wants to contain Pakistan. Therefore the talk was to be about only terror. Pakis somehow agreed to it at Ufa and when they went home is when they realized what they had signed up for. They had to somehow trash the document and they did it through a combination of border firing, terrorism, hurri-rats and insisting that JK should be discussed first.

I think that India should not give up this approach. We should explore avenues multilaterally where all regional and non-regional countries (Afghanistan, China, India, Bangladesh, Massa to name a few), all hold multilateral discussions with Pakistan on controlling the terror emanating from Pakistan. I think India has a core role to play.

member_23370 · Post by **member_23370** » 25 Aug 2015 07:55

Pakis cannot bury Ufa. India has forced them to back out of talks they agreed to. Now at every opportunity remind them that they backed out and if they want talks just pull out the Ufa playbook. It tales care of this talk nonsense for a couple of years. It should be enough to cut down pakistan to size.

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 25 Aug 2015 08:03

AmberG
If they have something , it is most likely a Chinese device in semi assembled state...You might remember (IIRC you were an active participant , who made the point ) that radionuclide signature in pakee dud test resembled a Pu device ... we concluded hiyar that the chinese gave some stale bread to its munna...

Other thing is the recent spat with phore phaaders...the phore phaaders expected a bum..and they probably realised that AQ Khan was a fraud... and paakis had no Bum to begin with...

In Freudian psychology , there is a defense mechanism called "acting out".. Whistling in the dark is a way of coping with the underlying fear of the dark...There is another mechanism called reaction formation..A boy who is intrigued by pronography organizes a campaign against it. .. A guy wanting to get into a med school , paradoxically expresses relief that he did not get into one.

What does a country , who wants and claims to have nuke does , when it realizes that it does not and cannot have the capability to nuke others ? Threatens to nuke other countries , that are far more superior..

That is what STFU-P is upto..

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 25 Aug 2015 08:21

Anujan wrote:Pakis wanted to bury the Ufa document and they succeeded.

Ufa and its followup provides explicit proof for any international observer that Pakistan cannot be trusted to stick to letter or spirit of any agreement. Thats a huge strategic win for India.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 25 Aug 2015 08:21

Anujan wrote:
I think that India should not give up this approach. We should explore avenues multilaterally where all regional and non-regional countries (Afghanistan, China, India, Bangladesh, Massa to name a few), all hold multilateral discussions with Pakistan on controlling the terror emanating from Pakistan. I think India has a core role to play.

If wishes were horses, beggars would ride. This ain't gonna happen. The countries you mentioned might discuss with TSP on ways to control terror, and TSP will gladly oblige if the said countries don't include pigLeT terror against India. And they will gladly oblige. So we are stuck with this abomination, and we need to sort it out. But as I said in an earlier post, should there be a consensus among all countries on eliminating TSP terror, 95% of India's problems with TSP will be solved.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 25 Aug 2015 08:35

I am reading Ufa as ULFA - United Liberation Front of Assam - all these days.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 25 Aug 2015 09:00

Gakakkad,
so thinking about it.... With no other scientific product to its credit to demonstrate capability, it becomes quite difficult to imagine Pakis can produce a bum.
So what do they have? Surgical instruments, textiles, football and mangoes-nothing here that can't be done by Uneducated kids.

My point being, Pakis don't show evidence in other technology domains or product development that they have a scientific or Engg aptitude. How then can one assume they have the aptitude for bum.?

if it can produce a bomb , some kind of evidence like nuclear power generation as a spinoff would have happened. Also I don't know if Pakis present their findings in scientific journals .... Pakis don't show that either. They in fact have nothing in their entire spectrum that can be said to have come out of scientific research . So it does seem less credulous

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 25 Aug 2015 09:11

^^They got the blueprints and probably a few finished bums too from PRC.

partha · Post by **partha** » 25 Aug 2015 09:12

Pakis are issuing threats of using nuclear bomb every week now. Not just the laltopi anal-yeasts types but even govt ministers / officials / establishment wallahs. Something is wrong here. Any serious nuclear power will know the havoc even a single bomb can cause and hence STFUP and be responsible about it but these Pakis talk about nuke bombs like Diwali crackers. They may not have any! At the most they may have bought a handful of ready made bombs from China?

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 25 Aug 2015 09:22

^^^Just making note that just recently Sharif held the groundbreaking ceremony for K2 and K3 (two Chinese nuclear plant right next to Karachi)
This is built near Kanupp (their old 40+ year old nuke plant)

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 25 Aug 2015 09:27

partha wrote: Pakis talk about nuke bombs like Diwali crackers.

Also like a soccer ball, per Xerox Khan. This has appeared here in brf before..but it is still funny.
(I must say this is one of the funniest presentation I ever saw anywhere..

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 25 Aug 2015 09:36

^^ is photochor teaching 10 year old kids ? his depiction of fission of u 235 looks like sperms trying to enter an ova....

o my..look at the cross section of the ?boosted fission device...our class 12th textbook had a better version...this guys can't even teach high school fizzicks...

>>Pakis are issuing threats of using nuclear bomb every week now. Not just the laltopi anal-yeasts types but even govt ministers / officials / establishment wallahs. Something is wrong here. Any serious nuclear power will know the havoc even a single bomb can cause and hence STFUP and be responsible about it but these Pakis talk about nuke bombs like Diwali crackers. They may not have any! At the most they may have bought a handful of ready made bombs from China?

I think the threats mean something...next drama to watch out for is nukes passing to the non state actors...

partha · Post by **partha** » 25 Aug 2015 09:49

Amber G. wrote:
partha wrote: Pakis talk about nuke bombs like Diwali crackers.
Also like a soccer ball, per Xerox Khan. This has appeared here in brf before..but it is still funny.
(I must say this is one of the funniest presentation I ever saw anywhere..
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/uNWRKB5Z3ew/hqdefault.jpg

haha..that board has everything from JJ Thomson to mushroom from nuclear explosion. Talk about escalation

It clearly shows that was purely a photo op. Football is a mystery though.

habal · Post by **habal** » 25 Aug 2015 09:49

Anujan wrote:Pakis wanted to bury the Ufa document and they succeeded.

As opposed to the previous regime's objective (Pakistan-India bhai bhai, people to people contact, lunch in amritsar, dinner in lahore, open borders, A monkey ayesha etc etc), this dispensation just wants to contain Pakistan. Therefore the talk was to be about only terror. Pakis somehow agreed to it at Ufa and when they went home is when they realized what they had signed up for. They had to somehow trash the document and they did it through a combination of border firing, terrorism, hurri-rats and insisting that JK should be discussed first.

I think that India should not give up this approach. We should explore avenues multilaterally where all regional and non-regional countries (Afghanistan, China, India, Bangladesh, Massa to name a few), all hold multilateral discussions with Pakistan on controlling the terror emanating from Pakistan. I think India has a core role to play.

slightly more sinister stuff is at work here. NS is on same page with Modi. NS wants to curtail or contain PA. So do all other political parties in pakistan. His partner in this is the Indian PM. Now what is the means to do that.

1. Ufa document signed by Nawaz and political establishment, 'gives in to Indian stand'.
2. Obviously not supported by military.
3. TSPA curtails progress in delhi round of NSA.
4. whole blame is thus on TSPA and it's showmanship.
5. TSPA forced to respond to show it's martial prowess.
6. Brutal response by India leaves it broken.
7. NS gains domestic political space on this pretext.

TSPA deserves it anyways, so all parties are in agreement here. This is the political consensus across lines. Anyway what does NS control in Pakistan anyway. Sindh is under rangers rule. Balochistan is under Army. KP has South and North Waziristan under army. Foreign affairs of all that matters is with military. All NS is that he is glorified PM of Pakjab.

K Mehta · Post by **K Mehta** » 25 Aug 2015 12:32

I think that the statements being copied from NOKO. After all if the rockets can be painted and used, why not foreign policy.

More and more they have started to resemble their ding dong supplier.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 25 Aug 2015 13:08

The way the pakis are subserviant to the chinese smacks of them being blackmailed by them over something big.
The chinese may have a rivalary with India, but they didn't hand over a complete bum to the pakis.
Massa and the other P-4 prolly sat with the newer cheeni leadership and told them not to proliferate weapons tech.

So the cheenis allowed pakistani scientists to train in their nuclear facilities, they demonstrate that CHIC-4 works, they give them HEU for? 2 bums, get centrifuge tech in return and call it a day.

Now one wonders who would troubleshoot the abduls' million problems with the whole technology. So the NoKos and the abduls are trying to do this on their own with some chinese handholding on the sly. The chinese can't do this overtly.

Amber ji,
Do the pakis have pure enough U?
The way they went after Xerox khan suggests that his bluster got caught once the chagai bums fizzled
I just posted an urdu article which had Pervez Musharraf claiming that Pakistan had been successful in making bums with 'less than critical' uranium.

wig · Post by **wig** » 25 Aug 2015 13:38

Any dialogue sans Kashmir will be futile: Nawaz Sharif
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 665663.cms
excerpts

Two days after a scheduled meeting between the national security advisers of Pakistan and India was called off, Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif said any dialogue between the two countries without the Kashmir dispute figuring will be pointless.

"Any dialogue sans Kashmir issue will be futile," said Sharif in a cabinet meeting in Islamabad on Monday.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 25 Aug 2015 13:41

^^Excellent. That's exactly where they should be. Right in the monkey trap. Was briefly concerned they may take their hand out. Big risk taken by government with Ufa, but I guess they know the Pakisatans much better than we do.

sudhan · Post by **sudhan** » 25 Aug 2015 15:15

partha wrote:Talk about escalation It clearly shows that was purely a photo op. Football is a mystery though.

The blithering idiot is probably using the foot ball as an analogy to show how the fyzzics pkg of an implosion type fission device will look once the core is surrounded by the directional high explosive outer shell.. I would pay 2 rupees to hear from Pervez Hoodboy or someone similar that the math behind the design of such precise conventional high explosives (to trigger a fusion) is beyond the pea-sized brain of photochor (or anyone else in porkland)

RamSuresh · Post by **RamSuresh** » 25 Aug 2015 15:32

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 668213.cms

JCO Killed in Nowgam, by sniper fire.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 25 Aug 2015 15:37

Damn we need Vidvanshak in nos in the LOC, along with Anti tank rounds to start taking Pakis in Numbers. The cancelling of Denel rifles for the Army using of Funds to buy Barretta 9mm from Italy causes these kind of issues.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 25 Aug 2015 15:55

IA has been using ack ack batteries on the Paki posts, much more destructive power than vidhwansak

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 25 Aug 2015 16:03

Problem is, they hide in villages.
The jihadis are taken directly to the LOC from a staging ground, several miles deep. They're afraid that if a jihadi is caught alive, he'll blurt out which village or army post he was taken to.
ISI afsars visit daura-e-khaas camps in civilian clothes. Retired NCOs prolly do all the training shaining at the camps.

So there is a firewall always between serving RAPE afsars and poor malnourished and inbred pakjabi village jihadi

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 25 Aug 2015 16:09

Let us now try to gauge the ISI's response time from the loss of H&D after they had to downhill ski from the NSA level talks, to a suitable H&D restoring terror strike.
Otherwise, there's been a very sharp loss of face because, in their words, 'the habibis are taking moooodi around their mosque and building a 'mandar faar mooodi', using words like strategic ally (a word that the Pakis don't quite understand but it sounds good and military), and they are planning $75 billion which is more than $46 billion, and that devil has caused them to downhill ski and an ex ISI afsar met his 72 in a bum blast'

That is a big huge backlog of H&D loss, the pakistan has got jammed in pakistan, and he pressure's gotta be relieved !!!

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 25 Aug 2015 16:22

Watching all these talk shows on modi's visit to UAE, one can't but help noticing the INTENSE khujli that this visit has generated.
All the loud boasts about their fauj and their parliament having taken a principaled stand have vanished and there is gloom and doom all around!

The upcoming egypt visit and a future Israel visit is going to cause even more concern and

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 25 Aug 2015 16:29

Gagan wrote:Let us now try to gauge the ISI's response time from the loss of H&D after they had to downhill ski from the NSA level talks, to a suitable H&D restoring terror strike.

Until Modi and Doval Indian policy has been astoundingly stupid, playing into shitistani hands. They wanted talks to show how keen they were to solve the problem by talks while the terror was an indicator that no one can stop freedom loving people from being violent unless the talks lead to what shitistan claims those people want (which is actually what Pakistan wants).

How stupid has India been to fall for the talks trap which only gave Pakis legitimate cover to carry on their terrorism - and not only that they openly met those Hurriyat sisterfukers.

Now Pakistan's only outlet will be terrorism which is fine. We can handle that. We will use it to bring Pakistan down.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 25 Aug 2015 16:31

The following is an Editorial in DT on the recent cross-border attack on the PA from the Afghan side that killed a few soldiers. The reason I am posting it here is that what the Edit says applies more to India than Afghanistan, both victims of Pakistan for roughly the same length of time. However, the terror inflicted on Afghanistan by Pakistan is also mostly due to the India factor. Anyway, no Pakistani newspaper would have the guts to express similar truth in the Indian context.

Cross-border attack
Excerpt

The strategy that Pakistan applied in Afghanistan in the form of proxy wars has started showing its negative results now. The militants who were pampered by Pakistan have turned into uncontrollable monsters who are threatening the stability of Pakistan. They came into being due to our wrong policies towards neighbouring countries. There is no such example anywhere in the world where a country used the tactic of waging proxy wars to get desirable results. Although in the past, proxy wars provided momentarily successes to the past regimes, yet these non-state actors are now proving the biggest threat to the country’s stability. The present attack is the result of those wrong policies and these incidents would continue unless a unified approach is adopted against all good and bad Taliban. After launching the Taliban in Afghanistan in the past, now we are getting a taste of our own medicine. Pakistan has asked Afghanistan to secure its border and keep control over militants on its side. Only blaming Afghanistan for the situation is not reasonable as we ourselves are responsible for the present scenario. Our government and security agencies need to revisit the whole idea of proxy wars. Pakistan claims that it has been the victim of terrorism. In fact, Pakistan dug a pit for itself and is now paying the price as things have changed.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 25 Aug 2015 18:21

Guys, soon after ModiJi govt took office, I recall there was one no-nonsense former UN ambassador who was roped into the cabinet. His name was Hardeep Singh something. Where is he these days, In times like these, BJP should put someone like him out especially since he knows TSP perfidy well, and can counter all the anti-ModiJi rubbish masquerading as anal-ysis.

I don't know if Uncle is playing silent role, but yesterday the old Paki fart, in response to Thappad's question that Indian govt suggested a compromise on Harried rats, namely, that TSP could meet them somewhere after the official level talks. To which the old fart said Indian govt never formally suggested that, but it came to him from someone in Washington via TSP embassy. He did not elaborate.

My point being that there is this Uncle-sponsored poison that seems to have taken deep root among the de-racinated secular elite in India, and that is "joint soverignty" over Kashmir valley. This will be couched as LoC == IB formula, but giving TSP a huge say in the valley. Thats the reason why TSP needs its Harried rat slaves who can cause havoc to India under such a formula.

Note every one of the anti ModiJi argument is that Harried rats are insignificant and ModiJi elevated them into prominence. Its time for ModiJi's big guns to come out and counter this nonsense, even if the rats get into the prominence in the short term. They need to be publicly humiliated, and more importantly, Indian people should be educated on the kind of slavish traitor terrorist Paki stooges they are.

At no cost should the Uncle-led poison be allowed to spread, and India should not fall in the trap that Harried rats are insignificant and hence allowing them to meet TSP is no big deal. It is a huge deal and a principle at stake that can haunt India later.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 25 Aug 2015 18:25

A significant number of INC mofos support not only setting LoC as IB but also trifurcation of the valley, in the name of pragmatism. Thank goodness for PVNR -designed 1994 resolution that rules out such compromise by political parties.