Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-Jan 24, 2016

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How a student of elite institutions turned to terrorism, Joint Investigation Team (JIT) reveals
KARACHI: Saad Aziz, who was awarded death sentence by the military court for his involvement in the Safoora Goth bus carnage and murder of prominent human rights activist Sabeen Mahmud and other cases on Thursday, had told Joint Investigation Team (JIT) members that they were ‘inspired’ by the sectarian conflict in Yemen, it emerged on Thursday. :roll:

Maybe it was the "final trigger"; but what about the continuous brainwashing this society is exposed to for the last 60+ years !
...community bus near Safoora Goth, they had watched a video in which Houthi rebels were allegedly seen killing ‘women and children’ in Yemen.
But international media has shown other videos where Saudi (i.e. Sunni ) forces have been blanket bombing Houthi areas !
Revealing gruesome details of the incident, Aziz said Tahir Minhas, Abdullah Mansoori and Umer, alias Hafeez, had started killing the passengers while he was making a video with camera, which fell down from his hand when the vehicle took a jerk. He ‘confessed’ killing the driver, but claimed that he did not kill women and children.

This does not make sense !!!
Saad confessed he and the other accused had fired upon and killed Sabeen Mahmud in Defence because she was using ‘filthy language’ against Maulana Abdul Aziz of Lal Masjid.
One would have thought that his "followership" was only confined to Pakjab, but it seems that the Maulana has quite a pull all over Pakiland !
The JIT revealed that Saad studied up to O level till 2005 at a Beaconhouse school in Gulshan-i-Iqbal, but twice attacked the branches of the same school. Saad, alias Tin Tin, alias John, got exposure to militancy when he joined a multinational company.
So, in Pakistan there is no guarantee that a secular education and an employment in a non-Islamic environment (MNC) will make you a "normal" person !
“In 2009 he [Saad] went to Unilever company for four week internship where he met one Ali Rehman who was employed in Demand Planning Department.”Ali Rehman had become a ‘little bit religious’ after performing Umrah. It was Ali Rehman who brainwashed Saad and turned his mind to jihad.
So, this is the "official "explanation ; ; but to me it seems that Mr. Ali Rehman was just performing his "Islamic duties" ; can he also be booked for provocation, conspiracy, incitement or any other suitable section of the PPC.
Next year, Ali introduced him to Haris who had remained associated with the Jamaat-i-Islami and later on joined Al Qaeda (Ahmed Farooq group). He remained in touch with Haris through the internet till he completed his education from IBA Karachi in 2011.Saad had done his A Level from the Lyceum, Clifton. He was sent for militancy training in Miram Shah in 2011 by Haris. The JIT claimed that he had informed his parents that he was going for “training to Afghanistan”.
And the parents just accepted that ! shows the extent to which this whole society is radicalized !
He completed the training in 25 days along with “eight or 10 other boys” and most of them were sent back. However, Saad along with three other boys was asked by one Ustad Ahmed Farooq to stay when he asked about his education.“After about four and half months, he [Saad] came back to Karachi and joined his restaurant business.” Saad got married in 2012 and remained in touch with Ali and Haris and started writing articles about jihad in English.
He completed the training in 25 days along with “eight or 10 other boys” and most of them were sent back. However, Saad along with three other boys was asked by one Ustad Ahmed Farooq to stay when he asked about his education.“After about four and half months, he [Saad] came back to Karachi and joined his restaurant business.” Saad got married in 2012 and remained in touch with Ali and Haris and started writing articles about jihad in English.
Inspired by the IS
Saad told the JIT when the IS announced the Caliphate in Iraq in 2014, Tahir Minhas, Haider Abbasi and he were inspired by this new militant outfit because Al Qaeda had been ‘weakened’. Later they tried to join the IS, but failed. Saad and other accused were arrested by a counterterrorism department team led by Raja Umer Khattab.
All this sounds very prim and proper ; so the case is conveniently closed ? And what about other factors that Ms. Sabeen Mahmud was warned by unidentified phone calls and other messengers that not to "bring up human rights in Balochistan" in her talks ? And no role played by the Deep State in her elimination ? Is it possible that Mr. Saad Aziz himself was an agent of the Deep State ? Too many unanswered questions not cleared by the JIT :roll:
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Equal citizens, eh? - Yaqoob Khan Bangash

A few months ago, a Hindu member of the National Assembly of Pakistan had had it. In a spontaneous outburst, he charged that members of parliament routinely ridicule the Hindu religion and always treat Hindus and Indians synonymously. “Why can’t we be called Pakistanis?” he wondered in the end.

This barely one-minute reaction in parliament hit the nail on the head. However, his fellow parliamentarians and the general public heard him and then ignored him. After all, this is what has been happening in Pakistan since its inception, so why change now?

When Pakistan was created, about 25 per cent of western Pakistan and 30 per cent of eastern Pakistan was composed of non-Muslims, not an inconsequential percentage. This percentage quickly decreased to about five per cent in western Pakistan and about 18 per cent in eastern Pakistan by the middle of the 1950s. The exodus of non-Muslims, however, was not simply a result of Partition. While the bulk of non-Muslims left between 1947-48, a steady trickle continued till the 1965 war, ringing alarm bells throughout. But then we didn’t care. Why? Because even though they were legally Pakistani citizens, most of us thought of them as ‘Indian’ in any case since they were Hindus. Even now there is no reaction when Pakistani Hindus seek refuge in India because we feel that somehow it is ‘right’ and somehow ‘it was going to happen regardless’. The fact is that from day one, Hindu citizens of Pakistan were made to clearly feel that their real country was India and that it might be better for them to leave their ancestral land and migrate to a foreign land simply because their co-religionists live there. Bhim Sen Sachar, a member of the Constituent Assembly and a fervent Lahori who did not want to leave his beloved city, saw the writing on the wall and left Pakistan in 1949, becoming the chief minister of Indian Punjab twice. Jogendra Nath Mandal, so lauded for being the only non-Muslim in Pakistan’s cabinet and law minister also smelled the coffee and departed. The Pakistani Hindu population kept being cornered, kept being ridiculed and marginalised, kept crying out for simply respect as citizens, but no one cared, and no one does.

At the time of Partition, there was another minority left in Pakistan too: the Christians. In Punjab, their members of the assembly voted for Pakistan and at the time of the mass exodus, a number of Christian families even moved to Pakistan, expecting this country to be a better prospect for them. However, their fate has not been very different from the Hindu citizens of Pakistan. In fact, in some ways, their predicament is even worse. For some bizarre reason, most Muslims think that Christians in Pakistan are some sort of Western agents. True, they were mostly converted by Western missionaries, but that made them as much Western as the Pakistani Muslims who these days parade around as Arabs become Arabs, much to the amusement and disdain of ethnic Arabs. Hence, where Pakistani Hindus are supposedly ‘Indians’ (and India does accept Pakistani refugees), there is no place for Pakistani Christians to go to. No Western country regards them as their own, and most even do not want to give them a visa in fear that they might claim asylum there! So, for Pakistani Christians it’s the devil and the deep blue sea — they are not accepted in Pakistan, and nor can they move anywhere else either.

Every now and then, politicians pay a lot of lip service to equal rights and equal citizenship. Yet most of them, immediately afterwards, pass a belittling or ridiculing comment about Hindu customs or Christian beliefs. Such actions are so endemic that most actually do it without thinking, it’s only second nature. Therefore, it remains a lot of talk and no real action.

Non-Muslims are but a tiny minority in Pakistan, so small that they can’t even threaten Muslims in Pakistan, even if they want to. Yet most Pakistanis are not even bothered to treat them equally, let alone better. Pakistanis are often quick to come out on the streets to protest atrocities against Muslims elsewhere, be it the atrocities being committed in Palestine, Burma or Kosovo (and I am not criticising that!), yet they are quiet when their own co-citizens are abducted, forcibly converted, falsely charged with blasphemy, raped and abused, simply because of their religion. Pakistan will only become a nation when Pakistanis start protesting against the discrimination suffered by non-Muslim citizens and start treating them as equals.

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Falijee wrote:How does the NSG internal charter say about entry of new members; is unanimity required from all members ; secondly can the US make this happen in spite of China's objection ; and what is the US wants in return ? lastly, is the timing of this statement "suspicious" ? forthcoming trip of Modi-ji to Massaland !
Falijee, NSG decisions are taken unanimously. As for the question of whether the US can make it happen, history might have a clue. I mean the NSG 'waiver' for India. The US brought to bear its full force on reluctant countries from the PotUS to Secretary of State all the way downwards. See the discussion here

What does the US want in return? Obviously, India. I said in the US thread that the foundational agreements that the US is seeking with us is of a completely transformative character. It is like Olaf Caroe handing over the Indian subcontinent to the US in early 50s. The US wants India to consummate this relationship. In the 70s, the US joined with China to destroy the USSR. Now, it wants to do the same against a rampaging deserved-to-be-destroyed China and it cannot do so without India. Besides, there are other similarities as well such as the access to huge markets of China in the 70s and India now. In both cases, it was the sale of military hardware that played a significant part in cementing the deal, as well as membership to the UN and UNSC (in the case of China) and possibly the UNSC and the four groups (in the case of India).

Is the timing due to Modi's US visit? The NSG is to discuss India's membership next month. I assume that contacts are in full swing now. Hence the urgency by China. In c. 2008, it hid behind a group of small European nations to try to carry out its sinister agenda against us. Its hand was revealed only in the very last minute when these nations ultimately fell in line and agreed to support the waiver to India. China, which had given both the US and India 'assurances' of not standing in the way, was forced to bare its teeth because its facade collapsed. The PotUS had to speak to Hu Jintao personally to get the deal through in the end. This time too, it is trying to employ the same technique of 'hiding behind others' but it is careful to be open and upfront about this.
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China upgrading Military presence in Tibet may the last straw which will make PM sign the deal. India has openly asked China to not to use POK territory thus stating in explicit term that one day India will take over that territory making Chinese investment nil and void. This is the right to pull China's leg when they are engaged in SCS.China have to go to war within decade with either Japan or India to establish itself as Lord Of The Flies. It must be kept off balanced using all tricks and pricks till it grow up as mentally mature entity.
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Bookha Nanga In Phanda, Afraid of Panga
India undermining strategic stability in the region:
ISLAMABAD: The experts have warned that India’s conventional and nuclear build up is undermining South Asia’s strategic stability and could set off an arms race in the region.The experts expressed their views at a round table discussion titled ‘Growing Challenges to Strategic Stability in South Asia’. The Centre for International Strategic Studies (CISS) hosted the discussion for examining strategic stability in South Asia in the context of developments in India and Pakistan, existing nuclear doctrines, conventional deterrence, missile and space programmes and regional security environment.The well attended event featured participation by nuclear experts, academics, and government officials.The Strategic Plans Division Director Dr Adil Sultan said that India besides upgrading its conventional capability in a big way was also developing a complete inventory of nuclear arms ranging from tactical weapons to inter-continental ballistic missiles out of its ambitions to be reckoned as an “undisputed power” at least in the region. He said that India is operationalising its nuclear triad, for which it tested the submarine launched ballistic missile and developing anti-ballistic missile system.Dr Sultan said that “inconsistencies in India’s declaratory policies and evolving strategic thought” and the discord in “India’s security enclave” over nuclear drivers affect the regional strategic stability. He cautioned that the anti-ballistic missile system could give Indian planners a false sense of security while planning any military adventurism against Pakistan.He pointed out that India is also creating instability at the sub-conventional level by shifting Pakistani military’s focus from external threat to internal security challenges. He He said that this is happening because India’s ‘grand strategy’ is being led by its intelligence establishment. A professor at NUST, Dr Riffat Hussain, was of the view that any additional military capability acquired by India would hurt Pakistan.He said that even if India may not be interested in fighting a war with Pakistan at this stage but if it maintains the current growth rate, it might impose war on Pakistan in future. Dr Hussain maintained that Pakistan would have to work harder to counter India-US alliance. Dr Zafar Nawaz Jaspal of Quaid-e-Azam University believed that an arms race is already taking place in the region, which implies that there is no strategic stability.He noted that provocative actions by states involved are against the spirit of having nuclear deterrence stability in the region.
Dr Jaspal pointed out that Pakistan and India have achieved crisis stability over the past 15 years and there is no escalation despite several crisis, which they encountered. CISS Executive Director Amb Sarwar Naqvi said Pakistan need to closely watch the India-US strategic partnership especially in the context of upcoming accord on the Logistic Support Agreement (LSA) and accordingly assess its policy options adding that the LSA is to be signed later this year between India and the US. He said the prospects of conflict between two nuclear armed rivals have only increased due to absence of an institutional dialogue process and deliberate escalation by India both by covert and overt instruments against Pakistan.
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Jhujar wrote:Bookha Nanga In Phanda, Afraid of Panga
India undermining strategic stability in the region:
ISLAMABAD: ...
Dr Sultan said that “inconsistencies in India’s declaratory policies and evolving strategic thought” and the discord in “India’s security enclave” over nuclear drivers affect the regional strategic stability. He cautioned that the anti-ballistic missile system could give Indian planners a false sense of security while planning any military adventurism against Pakistan.

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:lol: Martiallaw

What does the in-quotes while in bold strategically underlined to eliminate unclear inconsistent comprehension of the strategic mind mean? Is one Dr. Majorly P. listening?
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India’s bid for ‘second strike capability’ to put pressure on Pakistan, says SPD official - DAWN
Indian moves towards ‘second strike capability’ would compel Pakistan to follow suit, says an official of Strategic Plans Division (SPD), which serves as the secretariat of National Command Authority. {Which means that China has promised to transfer the required missiles and submarines.}

“Development of second strike capability … would put pressure on Pakistan to take remedial measures and develop its own version of the capability,” the official said while speaking at a round-table discussion on ‘Growing Challenges to Strategic Stability in South Asia’ organised by the Centre for International Strategic Studies (CISS).

The reported successful testing of nuclear-capable K-4 Submarine-Launched Ballistic Missiles (SLBMs) by India last month from its nuclear-powered INS Arihant has taken India closer to what is described as second-strike capability” in nuclear deterrence.

The second strike provides a military the capability to hit back at an enemy in a situation where its land-based nuclear arsenal had been neutralised.

Pakistan had reacted to the testing of SLBM by saying it was a worrisome development for the region.

A statement issued by the Foreign Office had said: “The reported Indian tests of a Submarine Launched Ballistic Missile (SLBM) and development of a nuclear submarine fleet are serious developments, which impact the delicate strategic balance of the region. It has resulted in the nuclearisation of the Indian Ocean.”

Suggesting that Pakistan could have already moved in that direction, the SPD official, who was speaking at the CISS, recalled that Pakistan set up its Naval Strategic Force Command (NSFC) in 2012.

At the time of the commissioning of NSFC Headquarters, the Inter-Services Public Relations said that it “will perform a pivotal role in development and employment of the Naval Strategic Force. The Force, which is the custodian of the nation’s 2nd strike capability, will strengthen Pakistan’s policy of Credible Minimum Deterrence and ensure regional stability”.


Former defence secretary retired Lt Gen Naeem Khalid Lodhi had claimed last year that Pakistan possessed second strike capability against India.

However, defence analysts had questioned the claim, saying that Pakistan was yet to achieve submarine-based ‘assured second strike capability’ for stable deterrence.


The SPD official, speaking about India’s development of anti-ballistic missiles, said it could give its military planners ‘false sense of security’ while contemplating military action against Pakistan.

He said up-gradation of military hardware by India for operationalising Cold Start Doctrine; building a variety of nuclear capable missiles ranging from tactical weapons to inter-continental ballistic missiles, enabling of its nuclear triad; acquisition and up-gradation of aircraft carrier fleet and nuclear submarines were all worrisome developments that would destabilise the nuclear stability.

Alongside these, the official said, India was also disturbing sub-conventional stability by shifting Pakistan military’s orientation from external to internal security challenges by using its intelligence agencies.

Dr Zafar Nawaz Jaspal of the Quaid-i-Azam University believes that it would be wishful to think of strategic stability in the region as long as mistrust existed between India and Pakistan.

He said although there was imbalance of power between India and Pakistan, but still ‘balance of terror’ (due to modernisation of weaponry) was sustaining a semblance of strategic stability in the region.

Dr Riffat Hussain, a professor at NUST, was of the view that any additional military capability acquired by India would hurt Pakistan.

CISS Executive Director Ambassador Ali Sarwar Naqvi said that Pakistan needed to closely watch the India-US strategic partnership, especially in the context of the upcoming Logistic Support Agreement (LSA) and accordingly assess its policy options. LSA is to be signed later this year between India and the US.

The prospects of conflict between the two nuclear armed rivals have only increased due to absence of an institutional dialogue process and deliberate escalation by India both by covert and overt instruments against Pakistan, he added.
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SSridhar wrote:
Falijee wrote:How does the NSG internal charter say about entry of new members; is unanimity required from all members ; secondly can the US make this happen in spite of China's objection ; and what is the US wants in return ? lastly, is the timing of this statement "suspicious" ? forthcoming trip of Modi-ji to Massaland !
Falijee, NSG decisions are taken unanimously. As for the question of whether the US can make it happen, history might have a clue. I mean the NSG 'waiver' for India. The US brought to bear its full force on reluctant countries from the PotUS to Secretary of State all the way downwards. See the discussion here

What does the US want in return? Obviously, India. I said in the US thread that the foundational agreements that the US is seeking with us is of a completely transformative character. It is like Olaf Caroe handing over the Indian subcontinent to the US in early 50s. The US wants India to consummate this relationship. In the 70s, the US joined with China to destroy the USSR. Now, it wants to do the same against a rampaging deserved-to-be-destroyed China and it cannot do so without India. Besides, there are other similarities as well such as the access to huge markets of China in the 70s and India now. In both cases, it was the sale of military hardware that played a significant part in cementing the deal, as well as membership to the UN and UNSC (in the case of China) and possibly the UNSC and the four groups (in the case of India).

Is the timing due to Modi's US visit? The NSG is to discuss India's membership next month. I assume that contacts are in full swing now. Hence the urgency by China. In c. 2008, it hid behind a group of small European nations to try to carry out its sinister agenda against us. Its hand was revealed only in the very last minute when these nations ultimately fell in line and agreed to support the waiver to India. China, which had given both the US and India 'assurances' of not standing in the way, was forced to bare its teeth because its facade collapsed. The PotUS had to speak to Hu Jintao personally to get the deal through in the end. This time too, it is trying to employ the same technique of 'hiding behind others' but it is careful to be open and upfront about this.
SSridharji,

There is nice way to put the cat amongst the pigeons. It would be interesting to put to an open vote the Chinese suggestion of pukistans application. That would help the Chinese openly understand how EVERYBODY feels about their recommendation. Of course there would be no loss of face.
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Pak-US ties complicated but vital

State Department spokesman says they do not see eye to eye with Pakistan on every issue; vows to continue working jointly against threats

WASHINGTON: The State Department has declared that the US is committed to maintaining its important and vital relationship with Pakistan even if it gets complicated at times.

Answering questions about the strained bilateral relationship, the department’s spokesperson said, “It is an important, vital relationship that we strongly believe in. Is it complicated at times? Absolutely it is. And do we see eye-to-eye on every issue with Pakistan? No, we don’t.”

Stressing on the need to keep bilateral ties going, John Kirby said, “The relationship matters so much because we have shared threats and shared concerns, shared interests in the region. And we’re going to continue to work at it.”

Responding to a question on the statement made by Prime Minister’s Adviser on Foreign Affairs Sartaj Aziz that Pakistan’s relationship with the United States had been under stress for the past three months, Kirby said on Friday that he was not aware of the statement.

“I didn’t see his comments. So I’m going to refrain from responding specifically to that sentiment,” Kirby said.

“It is an important relationship that we continue to work at very, very seriously. We’re going to remain committed to. And I would not share that characterisation of it,” he concluded.

John Kirby has said that terrorists have safe havens in Pakistan and Afghanistan. He stated that terrorists were a threat to the people of Pakistan and Afghanistan, a private television channel reported.

He added that the United States was cooperating with Pakistan in hunting down terrorists. He further said that the two countries had a critically important bilateral relationship. Pakistan’s bilateral ties with the United States had recently taken a downward turn when the US government asked the country to finance the purchase of F-16 fighter jets with its own resources instead of the United States financial assistance after members of the US Congress objected to the use of government funds to pay for the military deal.

The US government said in February that it had approved the sale of eight F-16 fighter jets to Pakistan built by Lockheed Martin Corp, as well as radars and other equipment in a deal valued at $699 million. Republican Senator Bob Corker said he would use his power as chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee to bar the use of any US funds for the deal to send a message to Pakistan that it needed to do more in the war against militants.

The State Department spokesperson also said that the US wished to see the Pak-Afghan Torkham border remain open for traffic. It should be noted that Pakistan and Afghanistan agreed to reopen the Torkham border crossing for vehicles coming in and going out, and resumption of routine activities.

The border crossing was closed in the wake of escalating tensions between the security forces of Pakistan and Afghanistan. Afghanistan is opposing installation of barbed wire fencing along the border being conducted by Pakistan to prevent illegal movement on the border.

Comments : After reading the Article one asks "How is it that the Cwapistanis have the You Knighted States of Umrica by the USA's Short and Curlies?"

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Turkey agrees to modernise PAF F-16s fleet for $75 million

ISTANBUL: Turkey has agreed to modernise the Pakistan Air Force’s fleet of F-16s at a cost of $75 million amid the controversy surrounding the purchase of new jets from the United States.

A senior official of the Istanbul-based Foreign Economic Relations Board (DIEK) on Saturday told reporters both countries have struck a deal in an aviation project under which some Pakistani fighter planes have already been flown to Turkey.

Volkan Yuzer, Asia-Pacific regional coordinator at DIEK, said Pak-Turkish multi-faceted relations were growing in the defence sector. He added Turkey was already manufacturing engines for F-16 jets in addition to making some of their spare parts.

Talking about business opportunities in Pakistan, Yuzer said at least 100 Turkish companies were already operating successfully in the country and had invested $2.7 billion in various projects by 2014.

More investment, he added, is expected in the energy, infrastructure and beverages projects. Replying to a question on signing the Free-Trade Agreement between the two countries expected by September this year, Yuzer said both sides were working out the details of the agreement.

According to the website of Turkish Aerospace industries (TAI), the Pakistan Air Force had awarded the tender of modernisation of its 41 F-16 aircraft to TAI in June 2009. The upgrade of jets started in the last quarter of 2010 when the first three aircraft were flown to Turkey.
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Iftikhar Chaudhry- of the Suo -Moto Fame - demands PM Nawaz’s resignation over Panama Papers :roll:
Addressing press conference in Lahore, Chaudhry, who formed political part named Pakistan Justice and Democratic Party ( "Latest product" in the Paki political circus ! completely financed by domestic not foreign loot! )after his retirement as CJP, ...
To a question, former chief justice said that his party strongly supports the idea of ruthless accountability ( should set an example and ask for investigation of his own son , Arsalan the so-called" Doctor")and will back any such effort by government institutions.
Pot calling the kettle black :mrgreen:
On the occasion, he also criticised Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif for avoiding questions raised by parliamentarians. What is he scared of, why Nawaz Sharif doesn’t go to the National Assembly and the Senate? he said.
One has to "admire" this hypocritic international award winning, handicapped ( eye problem !) former CJ of Pakiland (Pakjabi origin but Balochistan domiciled !) basking in the glory afforded to him by the Aam Abduls,( just because he "stood up" to a former military general ). But, public memory is indeed short as Mushy had also rightly accused him of "corruption ", a charge which was sadly true !
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Voice of America Journalists Beaten in Pakistan
WASHINGTON, D.C. —

Voice of America journalists were beaten and harassed by authorities in Pakistan and Iraq earlier this week. One of the journalists was a reporter for VOA Deewa and the other for VOA Kurdish.
“I am appalled that these VOA journalists, who were only doing their job of reporting accurate information, were beaten and harassed by security forces,” VOA Director Amanda Bennett said. “Intimidation only generates an opposite effect. VOA will not be deterred in its efforts to seek out and share the truth.”
Naimatullah Sarhadi, a contributing reporter for VOA Deewa, was attacked by local police Thursday night (May 12) at a checkpoint in the town of Chaman in Balochistan province in Pakistan while returning home from an assignment. When Sarhadi identified himself as a VOA reporter, police severely beat him and broke his nose. A bystander eventually convinced the authorities to leave Sarhadi alone. On Friday, local journalists in Chaman demonstrated to condemn the violence. VOA Deewa is the Voice of America’s popular Pashto language news service to the volatile border region of Northwest Pakistan.
Balochistan , of course, is a no-go area for foreign media, but in this case, the foreign media (VOA) was represented by a "local", which the Deep State made an example of, but now only have "bad publicity" on their hands !
“The BBG calls on authorities in Pakistan, Iraq and elsewhere around the globe to refrain from carrying out these types of aggressive acts, which are only meant to silence independent journalism and freedom of expression,” BBG CEO and Director John Lansing said. “Threats to the free practice of journalism are a denial of basic human rights and must not be supported by any government.” :((
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Lisa wrote:There is nice way to put the cat amongst the pigeons. It would be interesting to put to an open vote the Chinese suggestion of pukistans application. That would help the Chinese openly understand how EVERYBODY feels about their recommendation. Of course there would be no loss of face.
Lisa, that's why China is cleverly masking Pakistan by claiming in generic terms, " "Apart from India, lot of other countries expressed their willingness to join. Then it raised the question to the international community - Shall the non-NPT members also become part of the NSG?"
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PM gives go ahead for the Chinese build Air Defence System for Pakistan

" Rubber stamp approval " given by the rubber stamp PM of Pakiland :mrgreen:
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Details of Fake Cricket Team From Belgium :roll: Now Public !
'Fake' Belgium cricket team visits Lahore on Pakistan govt expenses
LONDON: Scam of plundering national exchequer in the name of arranging visit of a fake cricket team from Belgium to Lahore under sports ministry has come to fore.
According to media reports certain persons affiliated with PML-N UK set up a so called cricket team from abroad and reached Lahore, due to their links with Punjab education and sports minister Rana Mashud and they received all the expenses against their tour from government.
Two years back 3 persons from London gathered 15 persons and brought them to Lahore in the uniform of British Cricket team. They participated in Youth festival. Only two among them were British, while the remaining belonged to Lahore and other cities.
The expenses incurred by the organizers of this so called team and players for travelling from London to Lahore and their lodging and boarding expenses were paid to them out of national kitty. This corruption case is under investigation of NAB.
Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) knows nothing about cricket team which had reached Lahore from Belgium some days back at government expenses. Who accompanied this team is close associate of Rana Mashud. He performs the duty of driving and other special duties for provincial minister. Rana Mashud has appointed him coordinator without completing any legal or constitutional formalities. Rand Mashud has also provided him office, car and other facilities to him.
NAB sources said that NAB has again started inquiry against Rana Mashud on the charges of massive financial irregularities in Punjab Youth Festival.
Couple of unanswered questions in connection :First, have the Belgian Govt and the concerned British Cricket Team aware that they have been taken for a ride by a legitimate arm of the Islamic Republic Of Pakistan and if so, have they at least lodged a protest to clear their "good" name :mrgreen: Secondly, it is humbly suggested to the NAB to take their inquiry one step further and include in their TOR ( Terms of Reference ) the possibility that someone from Nawaz Sharif's , immediate family currently residing in the Mayfair area of London may possibly be involved in this scam to defraud the Pakistan exchequer; thirdly, it would be a good idea to co-ordinate this investigation with the New Panama Leaks Commission that is being set up so as to uncover any connection between the two scams !
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Textile, leather goods: FBR proposes hefty increase in sales tax
ISLAMABAD: The government may double sales tax on domestic sale of textile and leather products and could withdraw exemption from 5% withholding tax on electricity consumed by these sectors to raise roughly Rs13 billion in additional revenues from the next fiscal year.
The proposal to increase the sales tax on textile, leather, carpets, sports goods and surgical goods was part of the tax measures for new financial year 2016-17 that would be presented to Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif for approval, sources told The Express Tribune.
The textile ministry is also against the idea of keeping factories as the FBR’s collection agents.
Sources said if the government decided to increase the tax rates, the capital cost of exporters would go up. Apart from this, the nexus between corrupt FBR officials and the industry will remain in place and the payment of illegal refunds in return for bribes will continue.
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The recent hint of a second strike capability and now the air defence system (which is Chinese ABM shield) suggest that the Sino-Pakistan defence cooperation is moving fast. With the developing India-US proximity, Indian naval developments, the troubles that China is facing in Indo-China Sea, the on-going CPEC investments etc demand more protection in Pakistan.
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SSridhar wrote:In the 70s, the US joined with China to destroy the USSR. Now, it wants to do the same against a rampaging deserved-to-be-destroyed China and it cannot do so without India. Besides, there are other similarities as well such as the access to huge markets of China in the 70s and India now. In both cases, it was the sale of military hardware that played a significant part in cementing the deal, as well as membership to the UN and UNSC (in the case of China) and possibly the UNSC and the four groups (in the case of India).
SSJi, good analysis, but IMO, I think your premise is faulty. I do not believe that US wants to destroy China as much as its hyperbolic rhetoric indicates. As I have mentioned many times, and I am sure you know, one must not go by what US says, but what its interests are. So the "China is the enemy" is for domestic election year entertainment purposes, US economy depends of slave labor from China (go to packed WalMart stores on weekends to see people filling their shopping carts with cheap made in China goods). And in the containment of India, both US and China share the same objectives. Besides, even if US wants to destroy China, what can India offer given that it is saddled with a million mutinies, and many of those allied with China (and TSP)?

From my vantage point, I don't think US takes India seriously enough to be able to play these kinds of power games. Main interest US has in India is its vast market, huge middle class population who look to US for everything (even its Sanskrit studies are outsourced to US), and to cajole, charm, and coerce it to keep TSP happy no matter what TSP throws at India. In other words, US would like India to be a well-behaved "South Asian" country. That said, it is in India's interests to seek whatever help it can from US to ward of a hostile China-TSP combine arrayed against it.
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SSridhar wrote:
The recent hint of a second strike capability and now the air defence system (which is Chinese ABM shield) suggest that the Sino-Pakistan defence cooperation is moving fast. With the developing India-US proximity, Indian naval developments, the troubles that China is facing in Indo-China Sea, the on-going CPEC investments etc demand more protection in Pakistan.
The cost shall increase only. Wait till sundry tribes start looting , extracting protection money without providing protection. My sixth sense tell me GB area going to heat up Indian Army will soon move in citing Kargil and Constitution.
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Jhujar wrote:
SSridhar wrote:quote="Falijee"]PM gives go ahead for the Chinese build Air Defence System for Pakistanquote]
The recent hint of a second strike capability and now the air defence system (which is Chinese ABM shield) suggest that the Sino-Pakistan defence cooperation is moving fast. With the developing India-US proximity, Indian naval developments, the troubles that China is facing in Indo-China Sea, the on-going CPEC investments etc demand more protection in Pakistan.
The cost shall increase only. Wait till sundry tribes start looting , extracting protection money without providing protection. My sixth sense tell me GB area going to heat up Indian Army will soon move in citing Kargil and Constitution.
Which missiles are these S-300 versions?
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LY-80E most likely
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Jewish Owned New York Times Attacks Pakistan Again :mrgreen:
Time to Put the Squeeze on Pakistan
By THE EDITORIAL BOARD
MAY 12, 2016

Nearly 15 years after 9/11, the war in Afghanistan is raging and Pakistan deserves much of the blame. It remains a duplicitous and dangerous partner for the United States and Afghanistan, despite $33 billion in American aid and repeated attempts to reset relations on a more constructive course.
In coming weeks, Gen. John Nicholson Jr., the new American commander in Afghanistan, will present his assessment of the war. It’s likely to be bleak and may question the wisdom of President Obama’s goal of cutting the American force of 10,000 troops to 5,500 by the end of the year. The truth is, regardless of troop levels, the only hope for long-term peace is negotiations with some factions of the Taliban. The key to that is Pakistan.

Which is playing a sabotaging role !
Pakistan’s powerful army and intelligence services have for years given support to the Taliban and the Haqqani terrorist network and relied on them to protect Pakistani interests in Afghanistan and prevent India from increasing its influence there. Under American pressure, the Pakistan Army recently waged a military campaign against the Taliban in the ungoverned border region. But the Haqqanis still operate in relative safety in Pakistan. Some experts say the army has helped engineer the integration of the Haqqanis into the Taliban leadership.
Pakistan’s double game has long frustrated American officials, and it has grown worse. There are now efforts in Washington to exert more pressure on the Pakistan Army. Senator Bob Corker, Republican of Tennessee, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, has wisely barred the use of American aid to underwrite Pakistan’s purchase of eight F-16 jet fighters. Pakistan will still be allowed to purchase the planes, but at a cost of $700 million instead of about $380 million.
Pakistan’s double game has long frustrated American officials, and it has grown worse. There are now efforts in Washington to exert more pressure on the Pakistan Army. Senator Bob Corker, Republican of Tennessee, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, has wisely barred the use of American aid to underwrite Pakistan’s purchase of eight F-16 jet fighters. Pakistan will still be allowed to purchase the planes, but at a cost of $700 million instead of about $380 million.
While such pressure makes sense, severing ties as the United States did in the 1990s after Pakistan developed a nuclear weapon is unwise. The two countries still share intelligence, and Pakistan allows American drones to target militant leaders in the border region. Given that Pakistan has the world’s fastest-growing nuclear arsenal, America needs to be able to maintain a dialogue and help Pakistan keep the weapons out of the hands of extremists.
President Obama declared, with undue optimism, more than 16 months ago that “the longest war in American history is coming to a responsible conclusion.” It will be left to his successor to figure out how and whether the Taliban can be lured into political negotiations. That will only happen if the American government finds a way to convince Pakistan to stop fueling the war.
PS: The hidden hand of the Hindu-Jewish lobby with reference to the above article cannot be ruled out :mrgreen:
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10-year-old girl raped in Lahore
LAHORE (Staff Report) – A ten-year-old girl was allegedly raped in Lahore’s Kahna area, said media reports on Sunday.

According police officials, the accused has been arrested. He is said to be a close relative of the victim girl. The accused has so far not confessed to the crime.
The girl has been shifted to hospital, where she is being treated. Police said that doctors will prepare a medico-legal report of the victim, on the basis of which further investigation will be conducted.
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Falijee, you have a PM.
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Peregrine wrote:Turkey agrees to modernise PAF F-16s fleet for $75 million

ISTANBUL: Turkey has agreed to modernise the Pakistan Air Force’s fleet of F-16s at a cost of $75 million amid the controversy surrounding the purchase of new jets from the United States.
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According to the website of Turkish Aerospace industries (TAI), the Pakistan Air Force had awarded the tender of modernisation of its 41 F-16 aircraft to TAI in June 2009. The upgrade of jets started in the last quarter of 2010 when the first three aircraft were flown to Turkey.
$75 million to modernise 41 fighter jets. Can they actually carry out any reasonable modernisation with that kind of money?

What kind of modernisation is this? Paint jobs?
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Turkey can basically overhaul the F-16's that about their capability.
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Cwapistan cwying Wolf, Wolf!

Pakistan fears repeat of 1990s US policy

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan is assessing whether a recent move by US lawmakers to stop the American administration from funding the sale of eight F-16 jets is a ‘temporary hiccup’ in their roller coaster relationship or whether Washington will abandon Islamabad as it had done in the late 1980s.

Government and security officials suggested to The Express Tribune that while a complete breakdown in Pakistan-US relations is not imminent, there is greater urgency to prepare for the worst—a repeat of 1989 when the US abruptly left the region and imposed sanctions on Pakistan for pursuing a nuclear weapons programme.

Officials listed the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) project and Indian lobbying as some of the main factors behind the growing ‘anti-Pakistan narrative’ in Washington.

After US Congress blocked subsidy for the $699 million deal, PM’s Adviser on Foreign Affairs Sartaj Aziz in a policy statement last week admitted that Pakistan’s relations with the US has been on a ‘downward spiral’ for the last three months.

However, given the fragile nature of Pak-US ties, many policy makers in Islamabad were not surprised by the decision of US lawmakers.

“Our relationship with the US has always been like this,” said one official pointing towards the history of ups and downs in Pakistan-US ties.

The official recalled how Washington imposed sanctions on Pakistan under the Pressler amendment in 1989 which ultimately stopped Pakistan from taking possession of 28 F-16s, despite paying $658 million for the jets.

Many in Washington later admitted how the US made a mistake by leaving Pakistan ‘high and dry’ following the Soviet withdrawal of the former Soviet Union from Afghanistan.

US President Barack Obamas’ administration pledged not to repeat those mistakes and initiated a strategic dialogue with Islamabad to dispel the ‘security centric’ impression of their ties.

However, recent developments such as the controversy over the F-16 sale as well as renewed US pressure on Pakistan to act against the Haqqani network and the nuclear issue show that “Washington’s interests are fast changing in this region,” commented another government official.

The official said US pressure tactics clearly show that it was trying to appease India, with whom it is aggressively expanding ties in multiple fields, including expanded defence cooperation with New Delhi as part of its pivot to Asia.

Another factor that has apparently sent ripples both in Washington and New Delhi is the CPEC, claimed the official noting that the US probably never thought that CPEC one day would become a reality. He suggested the US may be working with India to undermine the project.

“This is not just the issue of F-16 but there is [a] bigger game involved,” the official maintained.

The US is keen to counter China in the region as Beijing seeks to expand its influence.

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SS-ji:
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India successfully tests interceptor missile
BALASORE (Odisha): In its efforts to have a full-fledged and multi-layered Ballistic Missile Defence system, India on Sunday successfully test-fired indigenously developed supersonic interceptor missile, capable of destroying any incoming ballistic missile, from a test range off Odisha coast.
“The test conducted to validate various parameters of the interceptor in flight mode has been successful,” Defence Research Develop­ment Organisation (DRDO) sources said.
Video of the missile.
The interceptor engaged a target which was a naval version of Prithvi missile launched from a ship anchored inside Bay of Bengal, taking up the trajectory of the “hostile ballistic missile”.
The target missile was launched at about 11:15am and the interceptor, an Advanced Air Defence missile positioned on the Abdul Kalam island (Wheeler Island), roared through its trajectory to destroy the “hostile missile” in mid-air after getting signals from tracking radars, the sources said.“The ‘kill’ effect of the interceptor was ascertained by analysing data from multiple tracking sources,” a DRDO scientist said.
The interceptor is a 7.5-metre-long single-stage solid rocket-propelled guided missile equipped with a navigation system, a hi-tech computer and an electro-mechanical activator, the sources said.The interceptor had its own mobile launcher, secure data link for inter­ception, independent tracking and homing capabilities and sophisticated radars, they added.
If Pakistan is a rational state , this should make it think twice about the foolishness of "engaging" India in a nuclear confrontation.
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"Deep State " Using Every Tactic To Discredit / Divide Baloch Liberation Cause ?

Dangerous Interlocutors By Malik Siraj Akbar Published on May 11, 2016
The Unrepresented Nations and People’s Organization (UNPO) organized an excellent conference on Balochistan on Tuesday in Washington D.C. I describe it as a successful conference because the organizers managed to bring some notable speakers, including Senator Paul Strauss of the District of Columbia and representatives from globally respectable organizations such as the Amnesty International and the Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ). The conference discussed various aspects of the conflict in Balochistan but, unfortunately, it turned ugly at the end when panelist Tarek Fatah used extremely filthy language against a Pakistani reporter whom he accused of being “an ISI agent” even before the poor reporter from the ARY News could ask his question. When a Baloch father present at the conference felt uncomfortable with the use of vulgar language in front of two of his daughters and insisted that this was not the Baloch way of conducting dialogue even with one’s worst enemies, an unapologetic Fatah lambasted him too.
It could be sort of ego issues between two author of the article and Mr Fateh.
While the UNPO had provided the Baloch a unique opportunity to voice their grievances, it is entirely upon the Baloch people to take advantage of these opportunities to put their case forward. Washington is undeniably the most important world capital for the Baloch if they want to get international support for their movement. Emotional and abusive supporters of the Baloch cause, such as Mr. Fatah, certainly look entertaining on an Arnab Goswami talk-show but they will have a damaging effect on the Baloch movement.
In order to successfully lobby in Washington D.C for their rights, Baloch activists and supporters must realize that insulting journalists, labeling them as ‘agents’ and confronting them with abusive language is a brazen assault on the freedom of the press and it will tarnish their image at a time when the Baloch need more friends in Washington and elsewhere in the world. Such aggressive behavior is undemocratic, intolerant and, above all, utterly unacceptable in the United States and western democracies.
Deep State agents may take advantage to create a rift between supporters( like TF) of the Baloch cause; they have tried to use similar "dirty tricks" to break the MQM hold on Karachi!
The Baloch must understand (and I am sure many do) that difference of opinion is an integral part of human nature and anyone who disagrees with us does not become an “ISI agent”. People don’t have to agree with us all the time nor are they under any obligation to subscribe to our point of view. Even if their point of view is completely different from ours, they deserve the same amount of respect that we seek for ourselves.
So, Baloch activists must understand the American political culture if they someday encounter a real “Pakistani agent” at a conference. They might ask the Baloch tough and knotty questions. On their part, the Baloch activists must be absolutely prepared to answer these questions if they intend to make Washington their new lobbying ground. Washington is a city of spies, lobbyists and agents. Everybody is out there to quash the other. Only the fittest will survive; the rest will vanish.
Waheed Baloch, a former Speaker of the Balochistan Assembly, rightly reminded Mr. Fatah that the Baloch can defend their position with historical facts and figures and logical arguments without becoming emotional, reactionary or resorting to abusive language.Mr. Fatah is blessed with a brilliant brain which has, unfortunately, been hijacked by a mean and abusive tongue.
It may be a question of the Baloch not comforting with the thought of a "non -Baloch" high-jacking or taking credit for their cause !
Ironically, he had turned mad at the ARY reporter because he had asked me during the Q & A session on a panel that I served on what I had to say in response to accusations that I was a RAW agent. (RAW is the Indian intelligence agency, the Research and Analysis Wing). [By the way, the full text of my speech at UNPO conference is available here]. I addressed the question with a sense of humor and told him sarcastically that now that I have a Master’s degree in Public Administration (MPA) from Harvard University, RAW and ISI both should consider hiring me for ‘public service’ and I was officially qualified to work for them. The same reporter had asked Waheed Baloch if it was true that the Pakistani government had registered corruption charges against him. Both of us answered the reporter to the best of our ability.
This is ridiculous that Mr. Fatah criticized the reporter for calling me a “RAW agent” and then went on to call him an “ISI agent”. So, what is the difference? These are two sides of the same absurd approach. This indicates how deeply the British corrupted the minds of the South Asians under their divide and rule policy. Six decades after their departure, people still keep calling anyone they dislike or disagree with as a foreign agent. This is deplorable. If a television channel reporter and an author of two award-winning books subscribe to these conspiracy theories then let’s not blame the ordinary man in a teashop somewhere in India and Pakistan.
Mr. Fatah is wrong in accusing several former U.S. ambassadors, academics and South Asia experts of being “ISI agents” only because in July 2013 they wrote a letter in support of a Pakistani expert working at an American think-tank saying that he was not an ISI agent as alleged by another Pakistani analyst. This sounds crazy. But this is actually (rather unfortunately) what many desi scholars squander their time in doing. If that logic is accepted then should we call that sixteen Pakistan scholars as “RAW agents” who wrote a similar letter in January 2012 to the then U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to express concern over the “safety and well-being” of former Pakistani ambassador to the United States Husain Haqqani? Scholars like Stephan P. Cohen of the Brookings Institution, signed both the letters. Should they, under Mr. Fatah’s interpretation, be called “double agents”? Hell no.
In a nutshell, Mr. Fatah’s tactics might work in Pakistan but they will not be very useful in America. The UNPO will be doing the Baloch a great disservice by inviting him to its future events on Balochistan. After Tuesday’s event, Mr. Fatah went on Twitter accusing “a lot of Balochs in DC” of “betraying Balochistan and “selling out”. This is outrageous. Baloch leaders and activists are already divided and disunited. The last thing they need is another messenger of division, confusion and misinformation. Not only are the Balochs capable of speaking on their behalf and, with a little effort, I am sure they can also talk among themselves. The Baloch must not require an interlocutors to further misrepresent and divide them. The Baloch deserve better.Mere emotions and rhetoric will not take the Baloch wherever they see their destination. In this journey, the Baloch will need allies and supporters from all over the world. They have to be open to divergent opinions, different perspectives and sometimes sit down and talk to people they abhor the most. It is easy and fun talking to people who think like us and agree with our point of view. The real challenge is to talk to people who don’t agree with us.

IMO If the Baloch cause/liberation is to be successful it is better to discuss any disagreements not in a public forum, which the Deep State may make use of to discredit their cause
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Porkis are shitting bricks.. the yawn has 3 articles about BMD test. One crying about strategic balance (like there was ever one) and the other about complaining to international community. :rotfl: I can't wait for the PDV test for them to cry mummy, :mrgreen: :((

http://xxx.dawn.com/news/1258707/what-y ... le-defence
http://xxx.dawn.com/news/1258687/pakist ... onal-level

I hope the work on AD-1 & 2 is on in full swing.
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Bangadesh Replies To Pakistan Re: Nizami's Death
Pakistan’s unabashed Nizami tears
The Islamic Republic of Pakistan has surprised us once more. It has deigned to inform us, here in Bangladesh, that back in the days when its soldiers remained busy committing genocide in occupied Bangladesh, it had a constitution and it had laws. And it was that constitution and those laws which Motiur Rahman Nizami so courageously upheld even as his Jamaat-e-Islami goon squads cheerfully assisted the Pakistan army in abducting, killing and raping Bengalis in their own land. Nizami’s sin, laments Pakistan, was in upholding that constitution and those laws in 1971.
If the war of words between these two "ex brothers" does not deescalate it is bound to result in a rupture of diplomatic ties!
Observe once more the untruths Pakistan, through its successive governments since the collapse of its war machine in Bangladesh, has been peddling without end and with hardly anyone taking cognizance in the world beyond its shrunken frontiers. Its revelation that in 1971 there was a constitution and there were laws somehow tends to take the form of bizarre humour. It stretches the imagination to the point of disbelief. So what was the reality in 1971 Pakistan? The Yahya Khan junta, in cahoots with Zulfikar Ali Bhutto and his Pakistan People’s Party, brazenly repudiated the results of the election of December 1970, a democratic exercise that would have led to the framing of a constitution for the country. By going for a brutal suppression of Bengalis on the night of 25 March 1971, the state of Pakistan informed the world of its refusal to go for any constitutional framework on which it could base itself.
Although, many Paki hail ZAB as a hero, this megalomaniac politician is almost fully responsible for the breakup of Pakistan; the Paki censored press at that time completely kept the Aam Abduls in the dark about the nature and extent of army clampdown on 25 March 1971 and the final surrender of the Fauj.
...He and all the other collaborationist elements of his kind went out of their way, all through the war, to reinforce the idea that in Pakistan the law did not matter, that it was the divinely ordained right of Pakistan’s soldiers to kill, rape and burn. Who was it that once said, in the days following General Ayub Khan’s seizure of the state in October 1958, that the Pakistan army had done a most wonderful of occupying its own country? In 1971, that army was in violent occupation of our land, plain and simple
Wasn’t it AAK Niazi who through his womanizing and killing spoke openly of his soldiers producing a new generation of Pakistan-minded people in Bangladesh through a systematic raping of Bengali women? ‘Hum un ki nasl badal denge (we will change their generation)’, he boasted. Proof what he and his soldiers meant to do comes through the hundreds of war babies now grown into adulthood, most of them settled in the West through the kindness of good men and women there. ( new information that could further put to shame the nature of the Paki occupiers !)And the women the soldiers raped, Nizami’s men molested? They are yet around, growing old and unable to forget the animal instincts of the soldiers.
It was a strange, fearsome Pakistan which eerily took shape between March and December 1971. On the morning of 26 March, a highly enthused Roedad Khan told a bunch of generals — Tikka Khan, Khadem Hossain Raja and others — at Dhaka cantonment even as their soldiers went around shooting Bengalis like birds, ‘Yaar, imaan taaza ho gya (faith has been revived, friends)’. Faith and the law had curiously come to be symbolized by the firepower of the army. It was this recipe for murder which Nizami and the other war criminals were to try out in cooking a new political dish for Pakistan over the subsequent nine months. Today’s Pakistan is angry that the recipe did not work all the way, that the ‘law’ was not allowed to take permanent hold in Bangladesh by its people.
Someone quipped once, ‘Every country needs an army; the Pakistan army needs a country.’ In 1971, the army needed a country, ours. Enthusiastic second-rate Pakistanis like Nizami went around fulfilling the wishes of the master. They were upholding the law, and that was martial law. Through employing that ‘law’, they left millions of Bengalis dead. The soldiers and their Nizamis turned Bangladesh into a huge burial ground.
Elderly Pakistanis have gone quiet about the calamity their country went through in 1971. Younger Pakistanis do not know or their history textbooks do not tell them that in December 1970, it was Sheikh Mujibur Rahman and the Awami League who won the general election and were legally entitled to assume power in Pakistan. They have been kept from knowing of the conspiracy the generals and Z.A. Bhutto, their first elected leader by default, engaged in to repudiate the results of the election.
There are many other aspects of their history that they are blissfully unaware of, but because of social media and internet it is coming into the open !
We are not surprised. But we are surprised that Pakistan’s leaders have never learned the lessons of history. Germans have gone around saying sorry for the sins of the Nazis. Japanese politicians have with folded hands asked for forgiveness of nations persecuted by Hideki Tojo and his militarists in imperial Japan.
Pakistan has remained fixated on 1971. It has not felt sorry, has never acknowledged the criminality of its army, has never spotted the difference between good and evil, which is a pity.
"Maintenance" of the so-called H&D is a very big factor :mrgreen:
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Step in right direction: Pakistan needs the IT agreement
ISLAMABAD: Despite huge potential, performance of the Information Technology (IT) sector in Pakistan has been poor compared with many other Asian economies.
Internet penetration in Pakistan is 14%, whereas it is 30% in India, 49% in China, 31.9% in Bangladesh, 67% in Malaysia and 40% in Asia. During 2014-15, as compared with India’s $99.6 billion worth of IT exports, Pakistan’s IT exports amounted to only $0.82 billion.
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UPA had freed Pathankot handler as "goodwill gesture"

NEW DELHI: This was one "goodwill gesture" which spectacularly boomeranged on the UPA government. Jaish-e-Muhammed (JeM) terrorist Shahid Latif, chief handler of the fidayeen squad that attacked the Pathankot airbase in January, was released by India in 2010 as part of the Manmohan Singh government's effort to repair ties with Pakistan.

High-level sources told TOI that 47-year-old Latif, who was in an Indian jail for 11 years for acts of terrorism, was among 25 militants belonging to Lashkar-e-Taiba, Hizb-ul-Mujahideen and JeM who were freed on May 28, 2010, as part of the Centre's outreach to the hostile neighbour. They were lodged in jails in Jammu, Srinagar, Agra, Varanasi, Naini (UP) and Tihar, and were deported to Pakistan through Wagah.

Interestingly, Latif's release was sought by the same Jaish terrorists who had hijacked Indian Airlines flight IC-814 and managed to get their chief, Maulana Masood Azhar, freed along with two others in exchange for 154 passengers in December 1999. However, the then Vajpayee government had refused to release Latif and 31 others on Jaish's "wish list".

Latif acts as main handler of JeM terrorists in India

In 1999, the NDA government freed Mushtaq Ahmad Zargar and Omar Sheikh, an alumnus of London School of Economics who courted further notoriety by kidnapping and killing American journalist Daniel Pearl.

The AI hijack plot was conceived and executed with the support of ISI. However, what the Pakistani spy agency and its terrorist proxies could not accomplish by taking innocent passengers hostage, they managed to achieve by guile — by persuading the Manmohan Singh government that the release of Pakistanis detained in Indian jails on terror charges would be received well with their constituents and help create a conducive atmosphere for rapprochement.

In the wake of the IC-814 hijacking and the attack on Parliament in 2001 by a Jaish module, Latif was shifted from a prison in J&K to Varanasi central jail in 2002 because of the assessment that his comrades could make another effort to free him.

A resident of More in Aminabad town of Gujranwala in Pakistan, Latif, according to sources in intelligence agencies, is considered very close to Masood Azhar and plays an important role in the Jaish hierarchy as he heads the Sialkot region and is the main handler, launching JeM cadres into India.

Latif is wanted by NIA as the 'handler' of the four fidayeen — identified as Nasir Hussain, Hafiz Abu Bakar, Umar Farooq and Abdul Qayum, residents of Punjab and Sindh districts of Pakistan — who stormed Pathankot airbase on January 2. Sources said Latif arranged the weapons, clothes and shoes of the jihadis apart from SOS injections and medicines, food packets and other logistics.

Meanwhile, the NIA approached Pakistan three days ago through a letter rogatory (LR) asking it to provide DNA samples of family members of the four fidayeen and JeM members, including Latif, involved in the attack. Apart from Latif, Kashif Jaan and Abdul Rauf (Masood Azhar's brother) have been identified as co-planners of the attack. This is the second LR sent by NIA to Pakistan in the last five months seeking assistance.
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Female Paki Students "Advised" Not To Wear Jeans, Pants, T Shirts, Shorts, etc ( Only Sharia Compliant Shalwar Kameez Is Kosher !)
Unnecessary restrictions placed on students by 6 Pakistani universities :roll:
Every place of learning imposes certain rules on it students. Generally speaking, universities offer their students more freedom than schools...
these administrators believe in regimenting their students lives as much as possible.
Here are the 6 most unnecessary restrictions that Pakistani universities place on their students.
National University of Science and Technology, Islamabad AKA NUST
The NUST administration caused quite an uproar (why uproar, when it is sharia compliant !) three years ago when it banned female students from wearing ‘indecent’ dress such as jeans and tights on campus.
...while girls have to wear shalwar kameez so that they are used to dressing formally for work in the corporate sector.
National Textile University, Faisalabad, recently forbade the female students from wearing a long list of clothing items and accessories, including tight or see-through dresses, T-shirts, dress bearing language, art/slogans or printed picture, torn clothes, jogging or exercise clothes, untidy or immodest dress, loose shoes, stylish sun glasses and designer caps, shorts or sleeve-less shirts and shawls. However, the university has said it will not penalize violators.(but names of offenders will be provided to the local Mullahs for necessary action :mrgreen:) Government College University, Lahore
..., are also strictly prohibited for wearing jeans and other ‘inappropriate’ dresses (short rule which covers everything UnIslamic under the sun :mrgreen: )
University of Punjab, Lahore
According to the notice, shorts of any kind, skin-tight clothes, loose-neck shirts, low-hung pants, slippers, printed shirts were banned for male students besides a restriction on sunglasses or p-caps inside classrooms.
Dupatta was made mandatory for female students who were prohibited for wearing over-fitted or see-through shirts and revealing trousers.
The penalty for dress code violation includes a Rs. 3,000 fine and an inquiry through the Disciplinary Committee.[(which is probably stacked with "bearded Mullahs" :mrgreen: )
University of Sargodha, LahoreCAMPUS
University of Sargodha is the latest educational institution to ban students from sitting “as a couple” within the varsity premises. (recommended by Saudi Arabia !)
University of Swat
Earlier this year, the University of Swat said it would fine students for sitting or walking with members of the opposite sex, both on and off campus.
According to a notice pasted at the university, which the HEC ranked at 124th position in Pakistan in 2012, students may be fined up to Rs. 5,000 in case of violation.
Malala Yousafzai, the youngest-ever Nobel Prize laureate in the world, also hails from Swat Valley.
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MMS seems to be the most gullible cunning person to become the PM. He is easily swayed by foreigners of all types and steadfast in putting down Hindu terror!
Wonder what was his real unfinished task for which he clung to PM office till the end.
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One really has to wonder, what the real mission of Congress I was wrt India, when they were in power.
There have simply been too many scams, conspiracies, blunders, and it makes one think what the F were these guys doing? The least indian netas can do is to not damage the nation's core sensibilities - even that was too difficult for these bozos !!!
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Peregrine wrote:by persuading the Manmohan Singh government that the release of Pakistanis detained in Indian jails on terror charges would be received well with their constituents and help create a conducive atmosphere for rapprochement.
A. What and who exactly are these "constituents"? Indian constituents or Pakistani constituents?

B. Who did the actual persuasion?
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