Iran News and Discussions

pentaiah · Post by **pentaiah** » 16 Sep 2012 10:06

Old King Cole is different story, it was berthed stationary and was being resupplied in a dock

Rushing like american foot ball running backers is not easy when the big ships are in blue sea (ok straits) and on full alert to engage...
Just a quick fire from Phalanx watch here

[youtube]Zdp9llrBLnA&feature=player_detailpage[/youtube]

The only thing is with amassing of ships the Oil price will spike and help everybody except Iran becaause of trade embargo, so that KSA & co can recover their money for Syrian adventure

gunjur · Post by **gunjur** » 16 Sep 2012 18:50

Netanyahu Says Iran’s Nuclear Program Is in a ‘Red Zone’

Tehran’s missiles mean ‘nothing will remain’ of Israel if it attacks:IRGC General

Maybe MMS will attack LeT before israel/iran acts against each other.

wig · Post by **wig** » 19 Sep 2012 15:58

it seems that the power supply to the Iranian nuclear enrichment plant was destroyed some time back. it must be non functional at this point of time

Iran’s nuclear-energy chief said Monday that his nation’s most heavily defended nuclear-enrichment plant had been unplugged with extreme prejudice last month.

Actually, Fereydoun Abbasi-Davani said the electrical lines powering the buried plant at Fordow from the nearby city of Qom had been blown up by unknown saboteurs. The same thing happened at Iran’s Natanz plant at an unspecified earlier date, he told the annual member-state session of the International Atomic Energy Agency in Vienna.

Read more: http://nation.time.com/2012/09/18/iran- ... z26uXpjVVJ

gunjur · Post by **gunjur** » 26 Sep 2012 23:17

Eight Ways to Deal With Iran

gunjur · Post by **gunjur** » 01 Oct 2012 23:08

posting here as it's about iran than syria.

Tehran split over Syria deadlock

Failure to decide the Syrian conflict in favour of Assad, despite huge military and financial support for the regime in Damascus, has caused a split between Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei and Iran's spymaster, Qassem Suleimani.

Iran is thought to have spent $US10 billion ($9.7bn). Defectors from Assad's forces have told co-ordinators for the rebel Free Syrian Army in the Gulf that Iran has been paying the salaries of Syrian government troops for months, as well as providing weapons and logistical support.

This huge outlay has increased friction in Tehran as the Iranian economy labours under international sanctions imposed by the West to curb Iran's disputed nuclear program. Senior regime figures are also questioning Iranian strategy in Syria, fearful of unrest at home if the conflict drags on and the scale of Iran's spending becomes public.

Behind the scenes, Iran is exploring other options and reopening talks with various opposition groups, including the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood, in an effort to retain a stake in the country should the Assad regime be toppled.

Suleimani is close to Ayatollah Khamenei that he has been touted as a contender for the presidency when Mahmoud Ahmadinejad steps down next year, but most observers consider him unlikely to run for office just now.

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 03 Oct 2012 21:42

Iran, October 3, 2012: Massive anti-regime protests in Tehran by Bazaris and others

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 03 Oct 2012 21:46

Another one. Here the protest chant is: nasr min allah wa fath anqareeb, marg bar in dowlat e madrom fareeb. Meaning: "(Arabic) The help of Allah and victory is near, (Persian) death to this government that deceives its people."

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 03 Oct 2012 23:18

Obama must be pleased coz he has Netanyahu off his back for some time now.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 04 Oct 2012 05:47

Nightwatch was saying that the Iranian currency dropped by a third last week. Its now 30K to the $

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 04 Oct 2012 06:58

^^^ Yes, that's why the Bazargan (Irani baniya caste -- majority Turko-Iranian Azeris) are on the streets chanting against the Ahmadinezhad govt they helped elect. In 2009 they mostly did not support the "green movement" demonstrations. Now after the sanctions are biting hard, they're saying the government is mardom fareeb lol.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 04 Oct 2012 07:50

Nutjob may yet be sacrificed by the mullas - they have their knives out for him for trying to usurp their power but mulla could not move because Nutjob was so anti-Unkil and wearing that proudly on his shoulders..but with local protest, that can be a convenient excuse for him to be halaled..

pentaiah · Post by **pentaiah** » 04 Oct 2012 08:28

So paisa hai parmatma holds even more true and sovereignties are vulnerable to sanctions.
Is this some kind of market manupliation of a nation?

Is it because Iran does not produce commodities to support it self through sanctions?

This is what I said long back that the more you open up for globalization the more you will be vulnerable to sanctions outsider manupliation

Open trade comes at the cost of sovereignty and independence.
Gandhi ji model is the best

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 04 Oct 2012 09:37

^^ or the juche of dear leader Kim?

BTW while on Iran, did not know there were so many evil kufrs in the muallabaric animaland....one would have thought genocide and cleansing of impure is the first duty of such peaceful nations..

"A number of suspects linked to the enemies of Islam sought to close the market by creating fear, but fortunately Muslim merchants rose up and stopped the conspiracy,"

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/ ... ews&rpc=71

pentaiah · Post by **pentaiah** » 04 Oct 2012 10:35

Iran has significant Jewish, Baha'i and a sprinkle Zoroastrian population a few Sunni as well I guess

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 Oct 2012 00:18

News report with pics

Iran tests Missile

Appears single stage liquid fuel missile. See the side running power conduit implying control of the aft end nozzle.

negi · Post by **negi** » 05 Oct 2012 00:57

^ Scud family and all it's ding dong derivates with Noko, Chipanda and Iran have that patch running along the entire length of the missile.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 Oct 2012 01:36

Actually all missiles have that. Some are very visible, others not so.

paramu · Post by **paramu** » 05 Oct 2012 03:23

Iran Arrests Gang-Of-16 'Currency Manipulators'

chanakyaa · Post by **chanakyaa** » 05 Oct 2012 05:19

What an amazing set of events!! Population of 78 million brought to its knees without firing a single weapon. So what is more powerful, deadly weapons or shadow banking system?

pentaiah · Post by **pentaiah** » 05 Oct 2012 06:29

Asymmetric warfare of different kind.
To bring down nations

..........................
Worthwhile to watch this movie

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 05 Oct 2012 07:41

its amazing the nautanki Uncle does

they can bring down a country with intelligent people, oil but a pukistan with nothing but begging bowls survives and gets away

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 05 Oct 2012 08:18

^^^

Interesting question....another example is NK. They dare not touch or go too close..

The answer is that both NK and TSp have nukes + they are close to SK and India respectively. Not that Unkil cares a rats a.s about the health of our skins but it will be too much to take on..

Which is also precisely why they dont want Iran to get to that position of untouchability.

Regardless of what we may say of Unkil, that is also precisely in our interest and should be our goal. Iran is not unfriendly, but its Islamic instincts will one day work against us, just a question of which day.

pentaiah · Post by **pentaiah** » 05 Oct 2012 09:02

Way back a wise guy said this on this forum...

A bomb in the back yard and a ICBM in front will bring peace and prosperity to all countries

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 05 Oct 2012 09:19

Suppiah,

In the case of TSP, Unkil willingly allowed TSP to get nukes. And the reason is of course India. But during the Soviet time, when Uncle wanted to protect his munna for any India retaliation to TSP's brazen intervention in J&K at that time. And now, TSP's nukes serve to balance India and put on the defensive. The obsession with Iran's potential nuke capability is for one and only reason: protection of Israel. I don't know much about the history behind NK acquiring nukes nor its nuke doctrine.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 05 Oct 2012 09:26

Gunjur wrote:Eight Ways to Deal With Iran

Imperialist rubbish from whoever this guy is. I laugh my butt off when he talks about "international community's" concerns about Iran. Give me a break. Let US lead the same charge against the TSP abomination, and I am sure the same international community and many more will follow suit.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 05 Oct 2012 10:02

CRS, it is entirely possible that Unkil close one or both eyes, or even actively facilitated TSPs nuke shopping. It is also possible that protection of Israel is the one and only reason for his opposing Iranian nukes. It is also arguable that protection of Israel itself, through any means, is a morally incorrect stance as they occupy 'other' people's land

Be that as it may, from our perspective, Iranian mullahs should not have nukes. Period.

If anyone can stand up and say that they will never never be used against us, or passed on to some fanatic barbarian jehadi to be used against us, I have a nice bridge in Brooklyn to sell him..

pentaiah · Post by **pentaiah** » 05 Oct 2012 10:05

Irans mullahs must have Nukes, it brings responsibility to them just like Unkil preached to us about TSP.
Besides Israel already has Samson's shield and Davids PGMs to take out the Goliath in matter of hours should it be required.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 05 Oct 2012 10:06

What about us?

pentaiah · Post by **pentaiah** » 05 Oct 2012 10:10

Suppiah wrote:What about us?

If we can live with 1.5 nuke neighbors we can live with 2.5 nuke neighbors.

If you notice a overt enemy like Iran( vis a vis) Israel is easy to tackle than TSP which is treacherous as unkil is still numb headed to understand.

Worst comes worst sign a defense pact with Israel and Unkil, Russia is a spent force it cant even protect its own assets .

Better be prepared to consider half of Asia as our enemies but work for peace.

"Power brings peace more than cowardice"

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 05 Oct 2012 18:07

Suppiah,

In this entire imperialist circus, you are missing the forest for a few trees. The point is not Iranian nukes per se. If Iran had a bomb or was even close, they would have been annihilated by now. What Iran wants is H&D and its negotiating what is righteously theirs with capability to make a few nukes. So just to get a scale of the imperialistic stink going on, all the cacophony from Unkil is is about Iranian capability and nothing more. Contrast this Iran obsession rubbish with Unkil actively facilitating TSP's acquisition of nukes. Doesn't this fraud make you throw up?

So what we are talking about is US wanting to render Iran so impotent (like the other Arab tinpots in the region) so that Unkil and its Israeli munna (both European) rule the roost. Iran is resisting this, and as I said many times, Unkil has its own Iranian TFTA munnas doing its bidding, and so essentially, there is a civil war in Iran that US is perpetuating which sooner or later will boil over.

So, in principle I agree with you that rabid mullahs getting nukes should be a non starter even from India's PoV. But thats not the central issue in this Iran saga. To reiterate, the central issue is replacing Iranian govt with western puppets. And India must riggtfully oppose this diabolical game plan, albeit as deftly as it can. But for the most part Unkil has pretty much got it wants from India on Iran. Because Unkil has its own munnas in the ruling establishment in Delhi.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 05 Oct 2012 18:19

Suppiah,

just put yourself in the shoes of the white ruling elite in DC (and other western capitals). When they look at India & TSP, in particular TSP's use of terror as an instrument of state policy against India, they (US-led west) don't see that as unadulterated evil. They take a more nuanced views, and to put it crudely, "these Hindus and Muslims have been at each other's throats" and so we must recognize this and not take one side or the the other. This pretty much sums up India's frustration with the US-led west in not seeing TSP and the abomination that it is, and instead looking at TSP behavior more holistically by bringing in history, India TSP disputes (legitimate or imaginary) etc.

Likewise, the US-led west bludgeons the "international community" into believing that Iran is unadulterated evil, but just as the west does in the case of India & TSP, India must take a more nuanced view of US's obsession with Iran. Just a cursory glance of history will show you how much US perfidy against Iran stinks and why Iran has a legitimate grouse against US imperialistic game plan masquerading as something else.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 06 Oct 2012 00:56

Iran Offers Plan, Dismissed by U.S., on Nuclear Crisis

By DAVID E. SANGER

WASHINGTON — With harsh economic sanctions contributing to the first major protests in Iran in three years, Iranian officials have begun to describe what they call a “nine-step plan” to defuse the nuclear crisis with the West by gradually suspending the production of the uranium that would be easiest for them to convert into a nuclear weapon.

But the plan requires so many concessions by the West, starting with the dismantling of all the sanctions that are blocking oil sales and setting off the collapse of the Iranian currency, that American officials have dismissed it as unworkable. Nonetheless, Iranian officials used their visit to the United Nations last week to attempt to drum up support, indicating that the country’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, is finally feeling the pressure.

“Within the intelligence community, I think it’s fair to say that there is split opinion about whether the upper level of the regime is getting seriously worried,” one senior intelligence official said when asked why the Iranians appeared to be backing away from their earlier stand that nothing would stop them from producing more medium-enriched uranium, which can be turned into bomb fuel in a matter of months.

“He’s erratic, and we’ve seen him walk up to the edge of deals before and walk away,” the official said, referring to Ayatollah Khamenei.

The Iranian plan is based on a proposal made to European officials in July. It essentially calls for a step-by-step dismantling of the sanctions while the Iranians end work at one of two sites where they are enriching what is known as “20 percent uranium.” Only when the Iranians reach step No. 9 — after all the sanctions are gone and badly depressed oil revenues have begun to flow again — would there be a “suspension” of the medium-enriched uranium production at the deep underground site called Fordow.

Obama administration officials say the deal is intended to generate headlines, but would not guarantee that Iran cannot produce a weapon. “The way they have structured it, you can move the fuel around, and it stays inside the country,” a senior Obama administration official said. “They could restart the program in a nanosecond. They don’t have to answer any questions from the inspectors” about evidence that they conducted research on nuclear weapons technology, but nonetheless would insist on a statement from the agency that all issues have been resolved.

“Yet we’re supposed to lift sanctions that would take years to reimpose, if we could get countries to agree,” the administration official said.

The United States has not put a formal offer on the table. But the outline of a way to a solution they described to Iranian officials before the summer is almost the mirror image of the Iranian nine-step proposal.

Under the American vision, Iran would halt all production of its 20 percent enriched uranium immediately, ship the existing stockpile out of the country and close the Fordow plant. That would defuse the threat of an Iranian “breakout” to produce a weapon, leaving the Iranians with a stockpile of low-enriched uranium that would require far more lengthy processing to weaponize.

Then the United States and its allies would offer some cooperation on civilian nuclear projects, and would agree not to add new sanctions at the United Nations Security Council. But the sanctions squeezing the Iranian economy would remain in place until a final deal is reached.

To the Iranians, this is a prescription for government change, and they insist it will fail. “I ask you sincerely, can anyone go to war with Iran,” even an economic war, and “come out a victor?” President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said last week during a meeting with a half-dozen authors who have written books about Iran. “Why does the U.S. believe she can prevail?”

Yet Mr. Ahmadinejad declined to talk about the current negotiations. Instead, to the astonishment of Iranian officials, he argued at the session that the Iranian people were better off economically than they had been when he came to office. Since Mr. Ahmadinejad’s return to Tehran, Iranian officials have begun looking for any signs that their proposal, although rejected by Washington, could represent the basis of a conversation.

So far, it is difficult to find much overlap between the American and Iranian proposals. Both countries want to retain leverage, so the Iranians believe it is essential to keep the capability to produce uranium, and they reject any proposals to dismantle the nuclear infrastructure they have built, which they say is for civilian use. Similarly, the Americans, Europeans and Israelis believe they must maintain the constant pressure of sanctions.

On Wednesday, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton made it clear that the United States had no intention of relaxing the sanctions — particularly now, just as they show the first sign of forcing Iran’s leaders to rethink the costs of their nuclear program.

“We have always said that we had a dual-track approach to this, and one track was trying to put pressure on the Iranian government to come to the negotiating table,” Mrs. Clinton told reporters. But she said it was Iran’s own mismanagement of its economy, more than the sanctions, that deserved “responsibility for what is going on inside Iran.”

“And that is who should be held accountable,” Mrs. Clinton said. “And I think that they have made their own government decisions, having nothing to do with the sanctions that have had an impact on the economic conditions inside the country.”

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 06 Oct 2012 04:46

Tomorrow a demonstration expected in the bazaars of Ahvaz, in the SW province of Khuzestan -- home to Iran's Arab minority.

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 06 Oct 2012 05:27

suppaih

the way I see it a nuke equipped Iran will make the pukis more angst

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 06 Oct 2012 07:32

CRS, I am fine with India supporting Iran or opposing US for all its perfidies and having its revenge on Unkil by siding with Iran, if only to teach a lesson to Unkil to behave better the next time. Or even to have had the satisfaction of paying Unkil back.

However, if all, or any of that action or inaction eventually leads to Iran eventually acquiring nooks, then I think the price WE pay for simply cocking a snook and showing a middle finger at Unkil would be terrible indeed..

Why dont we pick some other matter where we can point the middle finger and not put our neck in line?

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 06 Oct 2012 08:52

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19751370

"It's like if you say you're Persian, you're more cultured or posh," says Sara.

"But if you say, 'I'm Iranian,' people think you're enriching uranium in your garage!"

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 10 Oct 2012 22:28

Like the pre-battle blowing of conchshells, beating of drums, etc., Hollywood always does its bit.

Argo Trailer (2012)

November 4th, 1979. As the Iranian revolution reaches a boiling point, a CIA exfiltration specialist concocts a risky plan to free six American hostages. The movie, directed by Ben Affleck and starring Bryan Cranston, John Goodman, Alan Arkin and Ben Affleck opens October 12, 2012.
http://argothemovie.com

gunjur · Post by **gunjur** » 10 Oct 2012 23:40

Posting here, since the article is more about iranian "capabilities".
Iran aids Syria in tracking opposition via electronic surveillance

Iran is providing crucial equipment and technical help to Syria in its effort to track opposition forces through the Internet and other forms of electronic surveillance, according to U.S. officials.

Among the tactics in which Iran is advising the Syrians is how to gain access to Web forums and chat rooms, where they pose as opposition members to identify and track targets. Hackers have covertly installed spyware on activists’ computers by sending them e-mail and Skype messages purporting to be from opposition sympathizers that include attachments containing surveillance tools.

The surveillance software can record keystrokes, steal passwords, turn on webcams and record audio conversations.

The Syrians are reasonably good at internal security, but experts say the Iranians are better trained in electronic and computer-network surveillance.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 12 Oct 2012 17:45

It is fun indeed to study the goings on in RoP lands...while Sunni citadel TSP has military issuing press releases on medical condition of Malala Yousufzhai, here we have Shia mullas issuing military readiness statements..

http://dawn.com/2012/10/12/army-ready-t ... -khamenei/

gunjur · Post by **gunjur** » 15 Oct 2012 22:34

Cuba 50 years on - and the lessons for Iran

Avoidance of nuclear war over Cuba is now seen as a triumph for quiet diplomacy and compromise as much as brinkmanship - and the same qualities are sorely needed today.

It would be interesting to perform a comparison between Nikita Kruschev and Ali Khamenei, as an adversary at nuclear chess. One obvious difference is that Iran's Supreme Leader doesn't actually have any real pieces, just stocks of black and white wood, so to speak, which could be turned into pieces.

The US and Iran (and it is ultimately about these two nations coming to an agreement) have both signalled at various times that they would be open to a compromise which left Iran able to enrich uranium below 5% purity in return for stricter international controls. Israel, Saudi Arabia and possibly France would have problems with such an outcome, but they would presumably be ready to live with it with suitable US assurances and cajoling.

The impact of sanctions, undeniable though it is, may not work in favour of a compromise, if the West puts off a deal from a position of strength because it believes it will get a better one if it waits another week or month, while Tehran puts off a deal on the grounds you should never agree a price at your weakest moment. It will take an awful lot of vision all round to land this crisis safely. And, just as in Cuba, a good deal of luck.